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Windows Mobile 6.5 next month!

"Software giant Microsoft is apparently getting ready to drop its trousers and unveil its assets at the Mobile World Congress event at Barcelona next month. "
"Microsoft is also expected to unveil Windows Mobile 6.5 with the new UI at the Mobile World Congress. "
XPERIA will get the upgrade i am sure!
Hurrah - "new UI" hopefully more easy to use!

This post does not help anybody for some reasons:
1) You did not state the source of your informtion
2) Most people may already have known this
3) this is only speculation (anyway I am expecting the announcment soon too)
4) no one knows what to expect from WM6.5 except Skynet...
sorry, i hope to not offend you but thats what came up in my mind...

It will be interesting to see if Xperia actually gets the update to WM6.5, but I'm not so sure. One can only hope... In any case, surely the developers at XDA will cook something up

Here: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2485
Nothing has been said about a new XPERIA. SE haven't announced its new partner yet and previous reports state that the new XPERIA should be unveiled late 2009...

Comeradealexi - Thanks for letting us well me know as it means I've got something to google now on my lunch break.

here it is if you don't want to click
"Neowin, quoting unnamed sources close to Microsoft, is claiming Mobile World Congress (February 16-19th), will not only be bringing Windows Mobile 6.5, but also a slew of Microsoft services rumoured previously to the Windows Mobile platform.
“SkyBox” is a service for users to sync a phones information with the web. Microsoft will be offering automatic backup and restore services, access and management of phone data and provide easy communication and sharing with others. The service will also allow syncing of contacts, email/SMS, calendar items and pictures into the cloud. Neowin adds a new detail, not rumoured previously, that this service will be available not only on Windows Mobile, but also for other phone OS’s.
“SkyLine” will be aimed at small businesses. Offering similar functionality to SkyBox, businesses will be able to setup their phones with Microsoft’s Exchange hosting with their own domain names.
“SkyMarket” is Microsoft’s mobile marketplace, a competitor to Apple’s AppStore and RIM’s Blackberry application center.
Neowin also claims that their sources confirm the leaked screenshots from earlier this year are in fact real, despite being panned for having icons stolen from the Apple OSX desktop, and that they represent design concepts.
Looks like we do have quite a bit to look forward to in a months time after all."
so make of that what you will

could have sworn i posted this yesterday..

i think x1 will work slower after upgrade.
because it's windows : )

Ethermind said:
i think x1 will work slower after upgrade.
because it's windows : )
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After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.

msalmank said:
After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
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I think you meant hope.. ;P

fards said:
I think you meant hope.. ;P
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LOL LOL
Ah... Microsucks...

well... let's better hope we get "some" update "some" day... as things are going till now... maybe this will be the first PDA without official rom updates... ¬¬

msalmank said:
After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
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"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums." -Old forum posting
All joking aside, I am looking forward to any updates made to Windows Mobile Professional. Standard got a real nice interface boost with 6.1, and we didn't get squat in the "looks" department.

fards said:
I think you meant hope.. ;P
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Actually... i meant EXPECT!

NotATreoFan said:
"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums." -Old forum posting
All joking aside, I am looking forward to any updates made to Windows Mobile Professional. Standard got a real nice interface boost with 6.1, and we didn't get squat in the "looks" department.
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Just go and play with Windows 7 and you'll be sitting right here beside me saying that you EXPECT Windows Mobile to be taken in the right direction...

msalmank said:
Just go and play with Windows 7 and you'll be sitting right here beside me saying that you EXPECT Windows Mobile to be taken in the right direction...
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I've been running Windows 7 for about 2 weeks now, and I'm with you 100%. I'm not running it as my full time OS, but it is definitely running better than Vista did in beta/pre-SP1.

yeah - they've done it right with windows 7 - they'll have done it right with mobile 6.5/7

It seems somewhat likely that the X1 will get the update as we haven't heard a word from sony about any software updates whatsoever. What's the use of the software update utility if no updates are made? Maybe they haven't released anything because they have to wait until 6.5 is announced.

NotATreoFan said:
(windows 7) is definitely running better than Vista did in beta/pre-SP1.
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Windows 7 beta 1 is better than Vista full stop
Cant wait for WM7... getting bored of the same old same old now.....................

n4v1n said:
It seems somewhat likely that the X1 will get the update as we haven't heard a word from sony about any software updates whatsoever. What's the use of the software update utility if no updates are made? Maybe they haven't released anything because they have to wait until 6.5 is announced.
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More likely, since they've parted ways with HTC, they've abandoned updating the Xperia X1, so not only will we not see Windows Mobile 6.5, we won't even get any firmware updates, like the retarded problem where turning off WIFI also turns of Bluetooth at the same time, or where Bluetooth keeps turning off by itself (workaround is Mortscript, but why do we need workarounds?!), etc. etc.
The HTC Touch HD has ALREADY had 2 or 3 updates, and it was released later than the Xperia X1. Where are the Xperia updates? NONE. NADA. ZIP.
I have an Xperia X1 but I'm starting to feel mighty bad here... I'm not feeling any love from HTC or SE and I doubt (and I hope I'm wrong) that we will see any updates, ever, for our machines.

Microsoft to launch Windows Mobile 6.6 in February

Microsoft reportedly plans to launch Windows Mobile 6.6 (codenamed Maldives) in February 2010 to strengthen its competitiveness against iPhone- and Android-based platforms, according to industry sources.
Sales of Windows Mobile 6.5 have been flat since the platform was launched in the fourth quarter of 2009, pushing Microsoft to bring forward Windows Mobile 6.6, which supports capacitive touchscreens, the sources noted.
However, Microsoft may now delay the launch of Windows Mobile 7 to 2011, instead of the end of 2010 as originally planned, the sources indicated.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100114PD216.html

I cannot imagine how good must WM 7 be, to compensate for all the delays... WM 6,5, even with all the HTC tweaks, is still far behind Android in terms of user-friendliness and usability. Microsoft really need to work hard on WM 7 if they want to remain a leader in mobile software industry.

Bad news
Thanks for this information, Bro
See you
Franky

Here's a great article that puts together all of the current rumors:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/01/14/urnidgns852573C400693880002576AC00211326.DTL
Never heard of WM 6.6, but I'm assuming it's either that or Windows Phone(WM7) that's going to be announced in February.
EDIT: Update! http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft-We-werent-talking-about-Windows-Mobile-7-at-CES/1263586701
Starting to have a bad feeling about WM 7 actually making it to our phones in 2010.

Am I the only one who thinks ms are trying to blow smoke up our collective bums? How can a ms rep say "we were not speaking specifically of Windows Mobile 7" about an interview they'd given and then follow it up by "not going into further detail as to which product the interview did concern.".....Wogan said it best..."Is it me?"

As it was to be expected.
Another incremental polish of a mobile os of the past.
Wasit it originally intended for those pda`s and low power mobile pc things.
But on the other hand .,. we do got the win mo 7 for the HD2. the bad thing is...
We dont know when.
And the HD2 being the first phone up to the standards of microsoft. If it would take another year for microsoft to do something and get going. Dont you thing HTC will have another range of phones ready by then ?? And moest of the customers I know got a one or two year post pay plan. and when they resign the plan contract for two years they get another phone.
Uhmm dont get me wrong here im trying to make this example.
I got the MDA vario then a tytn then a diamond and now im a happy HD2 user.
Most of the time a phone lasts about 1 or two years. .
So when the microsoft dudes are finally ready.. The HD2 will be obsolete.
And HTC told us there will be a free update available to win 7.
But after a year delay.. it seems stupid to take along HD2 in the update programm, after a year maybe more.
Or am i totally wrong here ??

Enonoid said:
So when the microsoft dudes are finally ready.. The HD2 will be obsolete.
And HTC told us there will be a free update available to win 7.
But after a year delay.. it seems stupid to take along HD2 in the update programm, after a year maybe more.
Or am i totally wrong here ??
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This is totally spot-on. Even if WM7 comes out at Q3/4 of this computer, there bound to be some faster and better spec phones around to utilize the new OS and our HD2 will probably be left in our houses as lab-rats for home cookings!
I also believed that by the time WM7 really comes out, most of us would have moved on to Android with our HD2 already!

I don't see why people are dragging WM7 into this. As far as I'm concern (and anyone with the least bit of common sense), WM7 is not coming out until the end of this year/early of next year. Until then, MS could release version 6.99999 and I wouldn't give a crap.

^^ Haha well said! I just dont believe people actually think WM7 will be released just 2 months after release of WM 6.5!!

true
Well we arnt dragging win 7 in,, Its already there.
Well i know it would be to much to ask of em. the microsoft guys.

dj_ghosie said:
I also believed that by the time WM7 really comes out, most of us would have moved on to Android with our HD2 already!
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I hope someone is able to port the latest Android to Leo. I just love the hardware specs of Leo (specifically the screen size) to go with Android OS. Winmo 6.6 or 6.9999 do not interest me.

Not that this helps, but I was in a Microsoft presentation and their own slides are still showing H1 2010 as the release date. The bad news is that the Microsoft person giving the presentation had betas of every product but didn't have or hasn't seen Win Mobile 7 yet

windows 6.5.3 = 6.6

[Q] Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8

If M$ windows thinks its ok to lock there Boot Loaders, I think we need to petition or start voicing our opinions now. . . regardless the fact is, once we buy any product we have our right too do whatever we want too do, root, modify, upgrade or downgrade, I think the problem with M$ is that they aren't embracing the Future, they are fighting it, an thats why they keep getting lapped by company's like apple an google. Believe me M$, still doesn't get the bigger picture, an i dont know if they ever will if we dont start speaking up now. They are basing there beliefs on an outdated O.S of business. . .
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
Simply stated DONT BE EVIL . .
Tell me what you think, how u feel and what we should do as a community.
This is my response too reading this portal post article, Good info JERDOG
Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8
JERDOG'S post http://goo.gl/rq4yw

Ah the bootloader, people have actually been talking about this for sometime. Although Microsoft are demanding ufei or what ever it is which will make it difficult for you to change operating systems, they have stated that it will not be used to force out other manufacturers. Im not sure I believe them in general, however as its a hardware related issue its actually in the hands of the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft don't make laptops/tablets. As far as I understand it although ufei will be required for windows 8 to run, a signed key is all that's required for other operating systems to run. Also its said that ufei contravenes EU law and so I would wait and see what happens.
The simple advice would be not to buy a device that is incapable of the functions you require. Dont buy a car to fly to the moon in. If you want to run Linux don't buy a laptop incapable of doing it.
I can understand peoples frustration with Microsoft but I fail to see when they became your *****. I thought Ipods were stupid at first as you couldn't play mp3's, so guess what, I didn't buy one.
You the consumer don't have to buy what they offer you. The other thing your forgetting is that the Hackers will sort it anyway, or have you never heared of "rooting" or mod chips etc. Any security where a key has to be passed from user to security centre can and will be hacked.

agreed, i can see people getting around this in the future, because when someone says NO there's always another one saying YES!, expect hackers to do their part.

TeaMsTaZ said:
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.

spunker88 said:
Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.
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Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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As it was said many years ago and still exists now stronger than ever
"If Man Made it, Man Can Unmake It"
It was only because of the mobile devices that Apple took market share, their desktops and laptops were good but just not up to par with what we were able to build with amd and intel chipsets for MS Windows operating systems. Now Apple has pulled a considerable amount of the computer market with mobile devices and stronger desktops and laptops.
Microsoft wants to gain the marketshare back with One O/S for all platforms. Hoping to up their mobile device marketshare to even it up with Apple. Its a far stretch but they want to keep themselves covered when it comes time that Apple tried to really put on over on them to keep the market.
ARM is proprietary now but will slowly become universal and open, just give it time and keep up the good fight!

hmmm.. well if ARM does stay locked down, do you think Intel's newer low-power x86 chips will be efficient enough to be comparable to ARM chips in tablets battery-life wise?

TeaMsTaZ said:
Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.

spunker88 said:
I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.
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Yeah there is double standard, my girl has an iPhone 4s, but lets keep that between us lol
But I really think its what you prefer, some like camaros some mustangs....
The developers on this site are great . . . Without them, I would be stuck using webos on my touchpad an windows 6.5 on my HD2 ( using SD American Android build )
You prolly right, tablets might come with win8. But maybe hackers can modify it so u can load android like a program hopefully. . .
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I'm on the fence with this one. I think their logic behind it has more to do with security than anything. Locking the bootloader doesn't stop device manufacturers from just making the same device that runs another operating system (Android) nor does having an unlocked phone that someone could put android on keep Microsoft from getting their license fee since the device ships with their OS.
Obviously it's not going to help make the jobs of everyone here easier, but it's not going to prevent them from getting other OSes on the device. What I could see happening in the modding community would be the opposite effect. Find an Android tablet that has an unlocked bootloader, and bring over the Rom from a Windows 8 tablet that has the same hardware.

Changing back to Windows Mobile 7

I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.

k33 said:
I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I think it will be impossible to switch to Windows Mobile 7, mainly due to the fact that that OS does not exist and there are also no devices running Windows Mobile 8 (because that doesn't exist either) . There's Windows Phone 7 which is, as the name suggests, closer to Windows Phone 8 than it is to Windows Mobile 6.5.
Anyway, the chances of anyone running Windows Phone 7 on a Windows Phone 8 device are basically the same as running Android, Sailfish OS or Firefox OS on a Windows Phone 8 device: Close to 0.
This is due to the secure boot of Windows Phone 8. Unless we find away around this, there's basically no chance.

Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.

k33 said:
Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Well, there is no Windows Phone 6.5 either
It's Windows Mobile 6.5
Windows Phone 7
Windows Phone 8
But this should be in Q&A forum anyway...

k33 said:
Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Windows Phone 8 is backwards compatible to most of Windows Phone 7 apps. It is, however not backwards compatible to Windows Mobile 6.5 Apps. Neither is Windows Phone 7, btw (except for a few selected apps that have been hacked and made executable on a fully unlocked WP7 device). The namechange was accompanied by a paradigm shift in the whole OS.

Maybe the thread should be renamed to "Changing back to Windows Mobile 6.5"
Never post before breakfast.. :cyclops:
Didn´t use a Windows Mobile phone some time. Usability was far superior to Android or WP7/8.
Also the GUI and app speed was very impressive compared to the new OSses, even with a three digit mhz CPU.
Might be very "handy" to use that on current hardware.

It won't be easy to find idiot that will port new SoCs BSPs to CE5/CE7.
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc
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Not sure why you always mention it like "6.5/7" - they are very different OSes from user point of view, and have some in common internally.
Well, there is no Windows Phone 6.5 either
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There is.
Didn´t use a Windows Mobile phone some time. Usability was far superior to Android or WP7/8.
Also the GUI and app speed was very impressive compared to the new OSses, even with a three digit mhz CPU.
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lol, we're definitely from different realities.

ultrashot said:
It won't be easy to find idiot that will port new SoCs BSPs to CE5/CE7.
Not sure why you always mention it like "6.5/7" - they are very different OSes from user point of view, and have some in common internally.
lol, we're definitely from different realities.
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I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
I am not looking for any "idiot" and if there is no possibility to get hardware support besides unlocking "secure boot" of WP8, i can accept that.
If you find Android or WP8 being your reality it doesn´t mean everybody must see this the same way. I want something productively usable i can configure to my personal needs and no "eyecandy gui" with most settings and configurations hidden to take control out of the hands of the end user.

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There is.
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Oh, didn't know that
Was Windows Phone 6.5 a pre-version of WP7 ? Or what was it?

k33 said:
I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
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No, it is more a derivative of pure CE rather than WM.
k33 said:
I am not looking for any "idiot" and if there is no possibility to get hardware support besides unlocking "secure boot" of WP8, i can accept that..
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There was unpublished project WML by Cotulla for WP7 and it was virtualizing hardware. Anything like that is supposedly possible, but still too much work.
k33 said:
If you find Android or WP8 being your reality it doesn´t mean everybody must see this the same way. I want something productively usable i can configure to my personal needs and no "eyecandy gui" with most settings and configurations hidden to take control out of the hands of the end user.
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I didn't mean anything bad
I was a very active user of WM when it was actual, but nowadays there is really no sense porting wm to WP just because it is out of date, it won't be updated, there will be no new apps etc. Making drivers is always time consuming, and in that case it is not rewarding as only a small subset of people wants it and MUCH smaller subset really needs it. It is easier to buy HD2.
When I said about "realities" I mean that WM has never been fluid and definitely not far superior to new OSes.
lordmaxey said:
Oh, didn't know that
Was Windows Phone 6.5 a pre-version of WP7 ? Or what was it?
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WP65 is an official name for WM65

k33 said:
I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
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I like this statement....:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I didn´t know that WP7 was re-designed for chicks.:laugh::laugh::laugh:
You made my day. Thanks.
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I think we should open a comedy section here at xda...

Don't forget that gdr3 unlocked the potential for multi core processors in the future! Windows phone really isn't made to be a super user phone. Its made to get things done simply and cleanly.
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Wm 6.x wasn't more fluid than today's gear, largely down to shoddy driver support, I mean why put a GPU in and not license the drivers....madness, anyhow, it was the last of the great pocket PCs, in comparison "smart phones" were and still are to a large degree dumb.
However, if we leave the almost unlimited potential of WM 6.x aside, WP 7/8 is by far the best Phone OS around. It did have its drawbacks... epic levels of neglect, general stupidity of OEM, MS and carriers and serious style problem (until too late in the day).
Android seems to aim for the middle ground which is why I like it on a tablet, but for my phone, nope, WP holds it own an then some,
I can't ever see a situation where MS would renew its pocket PC ideas, the general masses of users couldn't give two hoots about pocket pc abilities, they want simple to use devices that just work.
So I can't ever see any development in to getting WM revived, and to be honest, as a phone OS...I don't think I'd want it any more anyway
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k33 said:
I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I think the ones that have bad memories are those who tried to get Windows Phone 7 GUI on a Windows Mobile 6.5 device. I remember 6.5 being very low resource intensive (and really "snappy" with the right file/system cache settings applied) and still think there are no comparably useful apps for WP8 (i gave some examples in a post above, even "on the fly" video encoding to windows media, when recording, was possible at those times).
It is also a personal decision to like the information/position gathering and adware of current "free" apps and be forced loading all personal information to some manufacturer/clouds (where the lying outlaw warmongers are lurking, that supposedly love to call current smartphone users in their presentations "zombies", for their decision to pay for and carry such unethical, dedicated human rights abusing devices).

k33 said:
I think the ones that have bad memories are those who tried to get Windows Phone 7 GUI on a Windows Mobile 6.5 device. I remember 6.5 being very low resource intensive (and really "snappy" with the right file/system cache settings applied) and still think there are no comparably useful apps for WP8 (i gave some examples in a post above, even "on the fly" video encoding to windows media, when recording, was possible at those times).
It is also a personal decision to like the information/position gathering and adware of current "free" apps and be forced loading all personal information to some manufacturer/clouds (where the lying outlaw warmongers are lurking, that supposedly love to call current smartphone users in their presentations "zombies", for their decision to pay for and carry such unethical, dedicated human rights abusing devices).
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CE up to v5.2 had a really baad architecture. Virtual Memory subsystem was a nightmare (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/hegenderfer/archive/2007/08/31/slaying-the-virtual-memory-monster.aspx), and not only that. Mostly system was based on Win98-age code which was awful in comparison with new code. Context switching was slow as well. WM6.5 layered windows support made most of devices slow while bringing too little advantages. Should I continue?
Getting rid of Win9x legacy is a great step forward.

I swear, these questions can be answered even by Akinator.
This question has been asked a billion times.
Here is the answer to your question
Video installation instructions.
Have fun with WM on your WP8 device

I think the technical issues from bootloader to driver support on this have already been answered by the knowledgable ppl on this thread.
Thanks to those who constructively answered.
The customization issues, and the absolute "no gos", for using it as serious private and business organizer, software and forced infrastructure wise, remain.
I won´t give history lessons about fascism here but i think the quick contacts of university or sports, you add very easily, do not belong into the hands of governments that disrespect even the own ppl, love war and find unethic humilitating behaviour as very normal and accepted in our times.
The data of the microsoft cloud goes indirectly to hedgefunds like Carlyle Group, Booz Allen, Blackstone etc, that are not only involved in big business operations, mergers and aquisitions, but are directly involved in war and humanitary crimes on tax payer´s money.
I still think that there are intelligent ppl here who understand the point: That an OS, that relies on cloud syncing is nothing you can ever use for serious business applications (besides missing serious apps for that)
WP8 is very good for girls, kids and cheap people like those unconstructive and unhelpful pLUSpISTOL, AlvinPhilemon above, who would miss the X-Box function, cheap games and "big buttons" very much. :highfive:

k33 said:
I think WP8 is very good for girls, kids and cheap people like those unconstructive and unhelpful pLUSpISTOL, AlvinPhilemon above, who would miss the X-Box function and big button eyecandy very much.
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Eye candy? Where? WP8 and WP7 uses typography, simple shapes, and colors, there are almost no extra graphics added. If you're looking for eye candy, you might find more in Android or iOS.
k33 said:
I won´t give history lessons about fascism here but i think the quick contacts of university or sports, you add very easily, do not belong into the hands of governments that disrespect even the own ppl, love war and find unethic humilitating behaviour as very normal and accepted in our times.
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Great! Fascism and government speak in the WP8 Development and Hacking forum. Are you sure this thread belongs here and not in the Off-topic section?
k33 said:
The customization issues, and the absolute "no gos", for using it as serious private and business organizer, software and forced infrastructure wise, remain.
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If you don't like a product, then don't buy it. If you want more customization, go to Android, if you don't like forced infrastructure maybe you should invent your own phone. And lastly, if you believe in conspiracy theories and live in fear of privacy infringement, then find a cave, where you have no internet or phone signal.

Just internet search: NSA zombies smartphone
And yes, i am very disgusted of an OS that lets me no choice on very important issues and treats me like stupid.
It is not about living in a cave but what kind of phone you would choose for high value decisionmakers like managers for example.
Android, IPhone, WP8 are designed for zombies, there is a direct connection frome phone OS to serious developments in "the free world".
For using the facebook app between assembling burgers at MC Donalds at your day job, it is ok. Then you wouldn´t be the guy with a broader view and education anyways that likes to understand how things work.

Nokia X2 Views

Its time already! :laugh:
Just when Nokia X range devices have started fading, we now have the new Nokia X2, quite a surprise from Nokia and Microsoft. This time, they have made some noticable improvements, especially with the hardware. They have offered a RAM with an entire gig, a 1.2 GHz Snapdragon 200 dual-core Cortex A7 processor, a 5MP camera with LED flash along with a front camera, two hardware keys, one for home and the other is the back key, a glassy transparent panel as found in the Asha phones along with Nokia's ClearBack display with resolution 480x800, 217 ppi. As for the software, it features Nokia X Software Platform 2.0, AOSP API level 18, with Windows Phone like app drawer, fastlane and more controls on the top bar.
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So, it seems that Nokia is still stuck with Jelly Bean. Maybe this time, we get 4.3 but it just isn't enough. When 4.4.4 is rolling out, 4.3 seems a little old. But who cares, new updated custom ROMs are gonna fly in, at no time. As for the highlight, it is priced around EUR 99, making it rougly around Rs.8500 or 140 USD. Quite satisfactory, isn't it. But, the question still remains, will Nokia X2 do the trick?
Being a Nokia X user, my personal opinion would be to give it a try. When Nokia released X, the common opinion was that Nokia was trying to make Android appear buggy by providing such a low level hardware. But Nokia has broken that talk by providing a way better hardware improvement and by still showing importance in the X Software Platform devices. One thing is still certain, Microsoft is trying its level best to compete with Google services, but it is no where near Google. But at this stage, the X platform is a plus for Microsoft and it seems like Microsoft isn't gonna give up. It will be of no surprise if new devices roll out in the near future.
So people, what are your views over Nokia X2? Post it in this thread. Lets hear some common opinions.

dev27 said:
Its time already! :laugh:
Just when Nokia X range devices have started fading, we now have the new Nokia X2, quite a surprise from Nokia and Microsoft. This time, they have made some noticable improvements, especially with the hardware. They have offered a RAM with an entire gig, a 1.2 GHz Snapdragon 200 dual-core Cortex A7 processor, a 5MP camera with LED flash along with a front camera, two hardware keys, one for home and the other is the back key, a glassy transparent panel as found in the Asha phones along with Nokia's ClearBack display with resolution 480x800, 217 ppi. As for the software, it features Nokia X Software Platform 2.0, AOSP API level 18, with Windows Phone like app drawer, fastlane and more controls on the top bar.
So, it seems that Nokia is still stuck with Jelly Bean. Maybe this time, we get 4.3 but it just isn't enough. When 4.4.4 is rolling out, 4.3 seems a little old. But who cares, new updated custom ROMs are gonna fly in, at no time. As for the highlight, it is priced around EUR 99, making it rougly around Rs.8500 or 140 USD. Quite satisfactory, isn't it. But, the question still remains, will Nokia X2 do the trick?
Being a Nokia X user, my personal opinion would be to give it a try. When Nokia released X, the common opinion was that Nokia was trying to make Android appear buggy by providing such a low level hardware. But Nokia has broken that talk by providing a way better hardware improvement and by still showing importance in the X Software Platform devices. One thing is still certain, Microsoft is trying its level best to compete with Google services, but it is no where near Google. But at this stage, the X platform is a plus for Microsoft and it seems like Microsoft isn't gonna give up. It will be of no surprise if new devices roll out in the near future.
So people, what are your views over Nokia X2? Post it in this thread. Lets hear some common opinions.
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I have XL, what i can say is, i'm very satisfied with its performance. Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that don't having the device.
I will get a new android nokia when they will release another 5'' display, maybe X2L, who knows.

tiger411 said:
I have XL, what i can say is, i'm very satisfied with its performance. Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that don't having the device.
I will get a new android nokia when they will release another 5'' display, maybe X2L, who knows.
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For a new android user, or for some one who is not into much development, I would recommend the Nokia X software platform devices. But as far as developers are considered, the X platform devices are not upto the mark. Nokia X2 can be considered as a recognizable device. If only Nokia and Microsoft take further steps into developing a much better device, who knows, these devices can really be something. Just imagine, if we were to get the best of Android's brains, Windows' looks and Nokia's hardware...

Good to see some activity
Well..guys i'm interested in this device but before than i wanna know something
Any cool dev like dhacker29 interested in this device? For developing?
Since Moto E have same chipset it won't be too hard to get KITKAT running on this device i think !!
Dhacker also got dual sim working on Moto G !
That's why wanted him since Nokia X2 is a dual sim variant only (?)

well what can i say the platform updates are good thing i love my nokia x well nokia x2 looks very tempting a Nokia with Microsoft and google quality no one can beat this thing what i dislike about this phone is the more asha look for instance if you have a Lumia 630 next to the x1 you cant tell them apart the other thing is the 2nd button i just dont get it why someone will need that
what we need now is cortana on the x
im impressed from my phone performance i agree with tiger411
Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that never had the device
but i will add : or test it for more than 30 days

Personally I couldn't care less about Google Play, it's restricted in my country so I have always used alternative market apps and they work perfectly fine. I can't wait to get the new x2

Nokia / microsoft
Hope Microsoft (and former Nokia guys) have learned the lesson: give people what they want, or else loose clients!
Too bad there was time wasted, if these two players were in market earlier giving people the desired Android maybe today we could have smartphones with PC-like specs and more software convergence...
Still, I´m really anxious to put my hands on this baby, seems the better of 3 worlds in one package!
:cyclops::cyclops::cyclops::cyclops:

Shahi00 said:
Well..guys i'm interested in this device but before than i wanna know something
Any cool dev like dhacker29 interested in this device? For developing?
Since Moto E have same chipset it won't be too hard to get KITKAT running on this device i think !!
Dhacker also got dual sim working on Moto G !
That's why wanted him since Nokia X2 is a dual sim variant only (?)
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I'm really interested. But sadly, I don't have the device. Only Nokia X.

bye bye X2
Bad news!
Microsoft cancelled Nokia X2 and all Android developments!!!!
Seems that X2 production was reduced to a number like a few Ks total, have to wait until late September for more news, maybe will be available a limited number of devices on some markets.
What a waste of time and energy waiting for this device!!
Really can´t expect coherency from this Redmond guys, since Bill Gates leaved MS the public expectation and what clients want to see don´t count.
What does this people want for a company anyway????

mgama said:
Bad news!
Microsoft cancelled Nokia X2 and all Android developments!!!!
Seems that X2 production was reduced to a number like a few Ks total, have to wait until late September for more news, maybe will be available a limited number of devices on some markets.
What a waste of time and energy waiting for this device!!
Really can´t expect coherency from this Redmond guys, since Bill Gates leaved MS the public expectation and what clients want to see don´t count.
What does this people want for a company anyway????
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Not to deny your speech, Microsoft has cancelled FUTURE releases for Nokias android phones. But they will continue to support the existing ones and as Nokia X2 is already out, they won't cut it off.

Dom3616 said:
Not to deny your speech, Microsoft has cancelled FUTURE releases for Nokias android phones. But they will continue to support the existing ones and as Nokia X2 is already out, they won't cut it off.
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This phone will (or could) be available in Europe but in limited quantity, it will continue to be sold on emerging markets - and this is sad for me!
This means there won´t be many available here, or even could not even be available.
As an existing brand, they will sure give support for what they sell, obviously - but don´t expect to much news like KK or L.
Anyway, production will be reduced and wont be other Nokia with android models. Instead of cancelling I should say disinvest on X2, sorry.
Words of a Nokia reseller based on today information, of course that can change as the wind also changes in Redmond.....

bye Nokia X2
Well, so much expectation, result: nothing!
Can´t live with uncertain scenarios, gonna choose another android phone - LG L70 dual.
This way I don´t have to wait for hacks to put Google services on Nokia/MS phones...lol...
Good luck for owners of the X2, I feel a little disappointed for can´t have on my hands this (still thinking so!) very interesting piece of technology
:crying::crying:

mgama said:
Well, so much expectation, result: nothing!
Can´t live with uncertain scenarios, gonna choose another android phone - LG L70 dual.
This way I don´t have to wait for hacks to put Google services on Nokia/MS phones...lol...
Good luck for owners of the X2, I feel a little disappointed for can´t have on my hands this (still thinking so!) very interesting piece of technology
:crying::crying:
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mgama said:
This phone will (or could) be available in Europe but in limited quantity, it will continue to be sold on emerging markets - and this is sad for me!
This means there won´t be many available here, or even could not even be available.
As an existing brand, they will sure give support for what they sell, obviously - but don´t expect to much news like KK or L.
Anyway, production will be reduced and wont be other Nokia with android models. Instead of cancelling I should say disinvest on X2, sorry.
Words of a Nokia reseller based on today information, of course that can change as the wind also changes in Redmond.....
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See? I told you! http://www.gsmarena.com/the_nokia_x2_may_not_get_cancelled_after_all-news-9198.php

Dom3616 said:
See? I told you! http://www.gsmarena.com/the_nokia_x2_may_not_get_cancelled_after_all-news-9198.php
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AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN REDMOND WINDS!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WILL THEY BLOW NEXT WEEK????
Too bad for me, really needed to change phone, now it is done.........

Im really excited for this device i hope it will release soon in PH

sharknaruto92 said:
Im really excited for this device i hope it will release soon in PH
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It's already available in Philippines with price of P6,990. But still not decide to buy. I like the hardware and price. But I have Facebook account that will not be able for me to login. What android rom that I need to install or root this nokia x2 to be able to use my facebook account and other google account?

Although stock rom is fine, we need custom roms. There is already an unofficial cm11 for nokia x. So why shouldn't we get one. And also lewa. I hope developers will work on this device.