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not very relevant to the hardvare site of G1 (dream) but quite interesting from os site...
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/02/20/asus.android.netbook/
Cool but this is the way I would go
http://phandroid.com/2009/02/09/archos-android-phonetablet-sick-like-arsenic/
Didn't read the article. While I agree it's intresting and good for the health of android. I'm not entirely sure I'd want to run android on my netbook. I mean really, it would most likely lock certain features down. Will there be an app to burn cds using an external drive? What about flash? I know adobe is promising it next year but we'll wait and see. Seems like it would lock the hardware down more than I'd like. What about drivers for after market mods? Still, what's good for android is good for the g1, in that respect I hope they sell plenty of them.
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Didn't read the article. While I agree it's intresting and good for the health of android. I'm not entirely sure I'd want to run android on my netbook. I mean really, it would most likely lock certain features down. Will there be an app to burn cds using an external drive? What about flash? I know adobe is promising it next year but we'll wait and see. Seems like it would lock the hardware down more than I'd like. What about drivers for after market mods? Still, what's good for android is good for the g1, in that respect I hope they sell plenty of them.
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Most likely netbook related apps will appear and will have some supplied. Offering an embedded Linux option on Notebooks and motherboards is starting to become more common place, but they're typically based off distros aimed towards Desktop or Notebook PC's that typically have much more resources. Being that Android is designed to be a low resource embedded OS I can see it replacing the poorly adapted distros they're using now.
The main idea to using Android for their Netbook solutions is to lower their production cost and increase their functionality. While they offer Linux as a cheaper option to Windows to decrease their price tag the "NetBook Edition" Linux distros aren't very intuitive and still pretty slow.
Netbook with Android and a unlocked sim card slot. That would be killer. I would hop on it with the first preorder.
I've asked this a long time ago, but now i've heard this question from other's, twoo.
So:
Is there (or will there be) a way to code direct ON an android device (maybe at android 3.0)?
Not the script things..
The new android tablets (some of them already bringing hardware keyboards) would be great to code on. (really portable, long lasting battery) So it would be pretty cool if we could code java on device. (even programming on windows you often need have your portable device connected to debug).
Does anyone see any chance or will this be illusion?
Now when ces shows microsoft's arm windows will be late - maybe too late - this could push android once more. no need of an other os to code. ;-)
But maybe i'm only still al little dreamer.
I would think that eclipse or some company like that will make a mobile developing platform sometime in the near future. I hope so, anyways
I do all my coding on a Mac Book Pro with Eclipse. Starting go get a little cabin fever and would like to maybe go to Borders or a coffee shop with WiFi and spend some hours coding there.
Now, were I to do so, I can't see coding on my phone even with full size keyboard. And I'm not taking my pride and joy Mac Book out either and spill coffee on it or have it stolen.
I'll just get a Netbook as cheap as I can and max it's memory....should work fine
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I'll just get a Netbook as cheap as I can and max it's memory....
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But why buying a netbook when you already own a tablet with keyboard? ;-)
Shure, coding on a smartphone seems to be a LITTLE useless, but a 10inch Tablet on the way to work in train, in a cofeeshop, during a coference...
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But why buying a netbook when you already own a tablet with keyboard? ;-)
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I don't own a tablet unless you're calling the Mac Book Pro laptop a "tablet". Why get a netbook? Because $300 is easier to deal with getting coffee spilled on or stolen vs $1,500
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS!!
I would not expect to see a full IDE development on a phone, just something that can take source files, compile to Java, then convert to Dalvik.
But for tablets, an IDE could be usable.
I have a thread on this very subject floating around -- essentially we would need to get a Java compiler running on the device, and also the DX tool that converts the .class files to the Dalvik bytecode.
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Shure, coding on a smartphone seems to be a LITTLE useless, but a 10inch Tablet on the way to work in train, in a cofeeshop, during a coference...
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I can see this for most phone -- my Desire Z has a physical keyboard, which leaves lots of room on the screen for editing
so it seems to me, it would be our devs and hackers turn to get an compiler working. i don't see professionals to do this :-(
Desire Z and co are more tablets in my opinion than smartphones
where's this thred?
Java IDE on Android
see this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13245680&postcount=7
embedded device evolves into a pc?
i still need huge monitor, mouse and keyboard for development. when i can connect all that stuff to my phone/tablet it evolved already to a pc?
-didi
Now that we have kernel source... anyone see Ubuntu in our future?
I have unbuntu on my pc and in process of partitioning he for mac os x install 3 OS why not
Well, ubuntu netbook edition 10-10 would be the perfect candidate, but it seems someone already beat us to the punch:
http://techietonic.com/an-ubuntu-netbook-os-tablet-pc-edition-2011-the-tenq-p07-specs-features/#respond
If we could find a somewhere to download that version of ubuntu netbook, all the basic tablet specific work has already been done, might just need a couple tweeks. I have personally had no luck to even find the company's website though.
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Well, ubuntu netbook edition 10-10 would be the perfect candidate, but it seems someone already beat us to the punch:
http://techietonic.com/an-ubuntu-netbook-os-tablet-pc-edition-2011-the-tenq-p07-specs-features/#respond
If we could find a somewhere to download that version of ubuntu netbook, all the basic tablet specific work has already been done, might just need a couple tweeks. I have personally had no luck to even find the company's website though.
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That does not apply, there are no hardware similarities between an android tablet and that one other than form factor.
That machine uses an Intel Atom processor, ubuntu install image on a usb drive and you're pretty much done on that one. Not so much for us.
I see now why the lack of Linux support for Tegra tablets...
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/linux-support-becoming-unsupported
(follow the link in his post for some udated info)
Its sad, but between the Honeycomb delays, and Linux being put on the back burner, we have very limited choices at the moment. Ultimately I would like to have Linux on my A7 too, as long as its not uncomfortably slow with only 512MB DDR2 RAM. It looks like Meego might be the distribution to watch for any kind of prebuilt distributable images, at least they have some big players still on board for backing, and they support a variety of platforms.
If you have access to the Nvidia Tegra 250 Developer kit, you could try building a custom Gentoo distro. I really like Gentoo for its configurability options, but honestly, I'm afraid of bricking my A7 with one little mistake.
Android still uses a Linux kernel though, so with kernel source and ability to compile for the tegra chip progress will not grind to a halt. Things just unfortunately won't move along as quickly as most of us would like.
I think a modified version of Ubuntu NBR would run fairly quick on an a7 though.
After some more digging around on the Nvidia Developers forum, I tracked down a few "work-arounds" to install linux...however, please note that most of these posts are very dated.
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/workaround-run-ubuntu-now
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/fedora-12gnome-running-tegra
http://www.elinux.org/Installation_Detail
I would dare to call this post, "Instructions for the Brave".
After reading those it does sound like we could have a unbuntu os
*Waits for the bombardment of hate*
I don't want it on my TF01 as I love Honeycomb and personally Android is far superior, but I was just wondering if it would actually be possible due to the TF01 running what is essentially the same chipset as the iPad 2.
OSX got ported to PC's with an Intel chip, so what would be stopping iOS getting put on the TF01?
Again, Im not asking when its going to be done, im just wondering as proof of concept since it just hit me they have the same chipset. So yeah, in theory, could it be done?
Here we go.........
I like iOS as well but if you wanted iOS....then you REALLY should have gotten a iPad instead.
With respect.
EDIT: I misunderstood. Apologies.
It may be possible. ANYTHING is possible.
Digiguest said:
I like iOS as well but if you wanted iOS....then you REALLY should have gotten a iPad instead.
With respect.
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With respect. Did you actually read my post?
Evostance said:
With respect. Did you actually read my post?
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With respect did you see my edit?
Digiguest said:
With respect did you see my edit?
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With respect, I have now No worries
Im not an Apple lover who really wanted an iPad.
Simply wondering for proof of concept.
iPad use custom ARM A4 and A5 processors. I doubt they'll run on anything else (and I'm sure Apple has done a lot to make sure it stays that way).
Where's the auto-ban here?!
I'm sure it's possible since the architecture is similar. Though it's doubtful anyone would care enough to invest the time required to make the port possible.
Though I am looking forward to the HAL 9000 port... not that different than iOS
Evostance said:
due to the TF01 running what is essentially the same chipset as the iPad.
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Only similarity in pocessor chips is they are both licensed by ARM
Ravynmagi said:
iPad use custom ARM A4 and A5 processors. I doubt they'll run on anything else (and I'm sure Apple has done a lot to make sure it stays that way).
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Hmm...seems to me all is needed is to inject a CPU driver into iOS to make it work with Tegra.
akarol said:
Where's the auto-ban here?!
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...and yet....you are still here.
The Tegra 2 is Dual Core A9 processors with an Nvidia GeForce 333 chip. The iPad 2 uses the same Dual Core A9 processors, just with a PowerVR SGX 543MP instead.
Hence why I asked the question
I still have an old iPod laying around.. I would rather get android on that..
( http://www.idroidproject.org/ )
ppirate said:
I still have an old iPod laying around.. I would rather get android on that..
( http://www.idroidproject.org/ )
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Yeah but Android is open source so..
Like I said, OSX on PC has been done because they both use Intel. Now both the Asus and iPad 2 use A9's so its a challenge if anyone wants it (if its possible)
even if it was possible iPad doesnt have a 16:9 screen so it would look like poop, would def love to just have ubuntu instead
Edit: please delete. I didn't refresh page for a loooong time
cowballz69 said:
even if it was possible iPad doesnt have a 16:9 screen so it would look like poop, would def love to just have ubuntu instead
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Thats not the point though, its proof of concept. HTC said Sensation couldn't go on older phones but they got it on the DHD and it was all out of size. That was sorted out eventually though
iOS is closed source, just like all the rest of Apple's software. iOS on the Xoom/Transformer/Galaxy Tab 10.1 won't happen because there are no drivers for Tegra on iOS, and without the source code, only Apple knows how to write drivers for it. The only people capable of porting iOS to other devices are Apple's own developers.
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Like I said, OSX on PC has been done because they both use Intel.
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OSX on PC has been done because Apple themselves originally made a port of OSX for x86 architecture, and all modern Macs use the exact same hardware that has been available on PCs. This means that hackers for projects like OSX86 don't even have to write new drivers if your motherboard specs match that of a recent Mac. OSX has the drivers to support a fairly large range of hardware, because unlike iPhones and iPads, high end Macs are designed to taken apart so you can install new hardware, with a few limitations of course for quality control.
The EULA for OSX actually states that you are in violation of its terms by installing OSX to a non-Apple device, which means no warranty or support from Apple if it all goes belly up. Furthermore, Apple implements their own specialized bootloader for the precise purpose of making it near impossible to run OSX on anything that doesn't possess special Apple branding on the firmware level.
Apple software is only designed for Apple devices. Enforcing that artificial restriction is what allows Apple to sell their devices at such a premium price, and if there ever existed a way to install iOS to something besides an iPhone or iPad, you can bet that Apple would sue the pants off the developer, because that's their main revenue stream at risk.
Short version: No
Long Version: Hackintoshes can happen why people find PC's that match the hardware of existing or old Macs, This is because OsX contains drivers for many older Macs. iOS has a smaller kernel built only for the version of the device it's on. How many android devices do you know that can run an unmodified build from a different phone? virtually none. And how do Android hackers get non-native builds to work:
1. Recompile source from AOSP -> no source available for iOS
2. Recompile Just Kernel with new drivers -> no available Kernel source for iOS devices
3. Swap binary blob drivers from other devices -> no iOS binary blob drivers available for any Android devices
4. Unlock bootloader to boot different OS builds -> iOS requires specific boot hardware that no Android device has.
Every single bit of wiggle room we normally have is a dead end on iOS, so no, its never going to happen.
So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.
phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible
I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.
Yes and simply
Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.
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Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014
The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.
absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:
I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out
Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.
Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)
This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/
Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.
Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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