to hopefully decrease the number of posts from members in the coming days about the new OTA that Sprint/HTC released today (but will not officially "push" to devices until January 24,) I would like to point out some things to new members as well as veterans, as we see this happen every time a new OTA is pushed.
latests news/updates in bold.
flashing lights reminder: IF YOU ARE ROOTED, DO NOT UNROOT TO GET THIS OTA UPDATE FROM SPRINT. YOU WILL LOSE THE ABILITY TO RE ROOT AS REVOLUTIONARY DOES NOT WORK YET WITH THE NEW HBOOT 2.18
1. Number one rule, and i will cap this DO NOT ACCEPT A OTA UPDATE IF YOU ARE ROOTED. it has been said many many times here, and members with rooted phones do it anyways. why risk it???? we all saw the gingerbread debacle last year.
2. New HBoot. it seems the new ota update has a new h-boot, 2.18, and from what it seems and this may remain to be seen 100% it is not unlockable with revolutionary. i can not confirm this personally. EDIT: seems the new 2.18 hboot is preparing the evo4g to be added to the unlock bootloader list at htcdev. we await word on when this might be official from htc. UPDATE: seems Captain_Throwback has a way to get your hboot down to 2.10 to use unrevoked. the process is long but it does work, as I have tested it myself.
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark!-"
4. Why the update? The big part of this update was to remove CIQ from the evo's. yay. There were small improvements to Peep (the htc twitter client) and other various fixes. report of battery life being worse than 4.54 have been reported.
5. So when will my favorite rom be updated to the OTA base? well, we already have a stock rom based on the ota (actually 2!) , it is located here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455340
so this is a start. your favorite rom will be updated by it's developer when the dev has time, last update we had (4.54) we saw a rapid update of roms.
6. Great, so has sense changed at all? No we are still at sense 1.0 sigh.
7. so how about the new kernel? it is now based on htc 2.6.35.10 dated december 21, 20011. Captain_Throwback has extracted the kernel standalone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21654186&postcount=3214
7a. What "hacks" work with the the new stock rom you posted? look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459982
8. i have a question!! well use the search function and see if it has been answered, look here, the Q&A threads, or the dev threads. I hope this will clear down some of the clutter that comes up during this wonderful thing called an OTA update.
I'm far from a sense person, and more seasoned veteran, but good post, and has some good info that people should read. I'd like to believe it'd cut down on threads, but you can't say you didn't try.
teh roxxorz said:
I'm far from a sense person, and more seasoned veteran, but good post, and has some good info that people should read. I'd like to believe it'd cut down on threads, but you can't say you didn't try. :_
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i just want the new members to realize 2/3 their questions can be answered by reading for ten minutes, and may save them major headaches, but your right. we shall get some doozies. lol
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i just want the new members to realize 2/3 their questions can be answered by reading for ten minutes, and may save them major headaches, but your right. we shall get some doozies. lol
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They need to set up like a new user pen where they can only post there for the like 2 days and learn those things. Also, glad you're rom is doing well, know you had a semi uphill battle at the start.
Also, I can't WAIT to see all the 'I just updated, and now I wana root" threads.
interesting
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Awesome post bro.. thank you.
^ great info, thanks brad, no doubt this will help some!
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Thanks Brad I flashed your rom. I'm waiting along with everyone else for the new Radios. I cant wait.
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They need to set up like a new user pen where they can only post there for the like 2 days and learn those things. Also, glad you're rom is doing well, know you had a semi uphill battle at the start.
Also, I can't WAIT to see all the 'I just updated, and now I wana root" threads.
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OMG! I just had nightmare flashbacks of "Root the *****!"
Thanks Brad for the update,its good to know whats going on with our EVO.Looks like sprint has a hardon for stopping developement,but as smart as you guys are,you'll get the HBoot unlocked before long.
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OMG! I just had nightmare flashbacks of "Root the *****!"
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That was a nightmare that needs to just stay a memory. D:
will try to update this with relevant info as it comes along.
Great thread and maybe some of the noobs will read it before thinking the ota update is the next greatest thing.
It will be once the devs get ahold of it and move along updating their great roms.
Thank Brad for the new info,
Long live the Evo 4g.
Seems your rom file host is struggling this morning. I can not dl either version of your ROM, Brad.
Has it been confirmed that it cannot get S-Off with Revolutionary and SuperTool?
Oh how I hope it can be unlocked... If it cannot, then a deluge of root threads will open and I might be driven to insanity.
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Has it been confirmed that it cannot be rooted with Revolutionary and SuperTool?
Oh how I hope it can be rooted... If it cannot be rooted, then a deluge of threads will open and I might be driven to insanity.
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Cannot since revolutionary doesn't support the hboot with the new ota
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I feel I must chime in here and make some further clarifications.
Tools like unrevoked and Revolutionary do NOT give you root. This is a very common misconception. What these tools DO give you is NAND access (S-OFF).
In order to obtain root, a custom recovery is required to flash a rooted ROM. In order to flash a custom recovery, you must have NAND access (S-OFF).
If your phone has S-OFF, you can run rooted and non-rooted ROMS just the same. It all depends on what ROM you flash. What gives a ROM root access is having superuser permissions. This is achieved with ChainDD's Superuser app which grants a ROM with SU permissions. If a ROM has the Superuser app cooked in, it has root access.
So it goes a little something like this:
unrevoked/revolutionary --> S-OFF
S-OFF --> allows flashing custom recovery
custom recovery --> allows flashing custom ROMs
custom ROMs with SU permissions cooked in --> gives you root
S-OFF and Root are only indirectly related.
If you have S-OFF, you will ALWAYS have the ability to flash ROMs, even the latest newest releases.
Here's a further example, my own personal experience:
I obtained S-OFF over a year ago using unrevoked3, which permanently granted S-OFF. Since then I have applied every radio, hboot, etc as they have been released. Never lost S-OFF.
Now regarding this latest OTA release, #12 (4.67.651.3), here is what I did. I flashed a stock unrooted/unmodified 4.54 rom. I then went into settings->system updates and checked for the new ota. I downloaded the OTA, and APPLIED the OTA. Applying the update flashed the new hboot, the stock recovery, and the new radios, as well as the new stock 4.67.651.3 ROM.
After it fully completed it's process I reflashed the custom recovery. From there I am free to flash any ROM I wish. What I did was took the new rom into the developer kitchen and rooted it. Then flashed it. Viola, I am on rooted 4.67.651.3 with full access. In actuality I'm running my barebones build currently, linked in my sig.
Once you run unrevoked or revolutionary you should never have to again. They give you permanent S-OFF. You'll always have the ability to flash a custom recovery, even if you accept an OTA update, and flash ANY custom ROM.
I hope this post helps people better understand the whole root and NAND security process.
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Seems your rom file host is struggling this morning. I can not dl either version of your ROM, Brad.
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strange, no problems here, i use dev-host for now, seems it is easier to download there for people in work, etc.
thanks misery for your post. newbies would get confused by all of that, but i still will say to the day i die, lol. do not accept a OTA from sprint if you are rooted. things could go wrong..
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thanks misery for your post. newbies would get confused by all of that, but i still will say to the day i die, lol. do not accept a OTA from sprint if you are rooted. things could go wrong..
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Accepting an OTA does indeed cause you to lose root acces. No arguement there. But it's a simple matter of reflashing a custom recovery and flashing a rooted ROM through recovery and bam back to being rooted.
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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
I don't think they can actually push a OTW update.....
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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other potential nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found. This fully depends on whether old method is patched.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I would just suggest waiting until the cook of your preference updates his to include items from the official release.
And the single most important reason: No nandroid. Having a point in time backup is insanely important to me. If I ever have to return my phone and get a refurb, it's nice to know I've got a nandroid that will get me right back to where I was before I turned in my phone.
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Not possible if the Hboot updates, which it probably will. Those here who tried the test leak 2.1 ruu.exe were unable to run the 1.56 ruu after.
There is an alternative to restore everything except the hboot from the 1.56 ruu here, but you cannot simply run the .exe. This method won't work if the official build has patched the ability to gain root (you won't be able to nandroid). In that case you will be stuck with official 2.1 only.
BTW, speaking from experience with the test build, ruu, hboot, etc.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
Good to know, would've been awful to have to wait for new root hack just because I tried the new and shiny!
Guess I will sit back and wait for dev magic before I jump the gun.
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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Mater of semantics, politics, and Ideaologies.
Google has a half belief here, they like open, but they protect that damn search algorithim like its a sacred scripture - Last count I think 8 people on earth knew exactly how it worked.
So the disadvantage to google would be ungodly competition if it was released. Proprietary stuff is a win if you look for profits. Again...depends on which side of the spectrum you are on. Points can be argued either way.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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ROFL. . . you don't have unlimited text?
lol I would hope having a hero you would have unlimited data and texts
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yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
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lol! that's great.. ever since sprint gave us that free mobile to mobile in any network I do not bother checking minutes or texts. unless my bill changes.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one.
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Why is it that people still think open source means insecure? I don't claim to know how previous rooting techniques exploit Android, but I do know that 2 Linux distros have a higher government security rating than any other operating system. I assume most weaknesses in android have to do with the recovery and/or update code, which has nothing to do with Linux.
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It IS when HTC bogards it from us and hordes it like cookie monster does cookies. I thought open source meant OPEN SOURCE. Ahh, who knows i probably misunderstood the whole concept
I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?
Why not wait for roms from the 2.1 update..so u dont have to unroot.
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I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?
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The official release is going to unroot your phone and it will not matter whether you are rooted or not.
Also, if you decide to run the official RUU you may not be able to gain root access again. Most likely a method will be found, but there are no guarantees.
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.
Also, the process is not automagic. The update will have to be downloaded on your PC or you will have to go to a Sprint Store/Bestbuy to have them do the update for you.
Don't worry about the message you get saying an update is available. It's won't install it self.
But +1 for waiting 24 hours for a dev rom.
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Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.
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Um don't u mean probably within two or three hours after official update is out. U know the rom devs will not wait a whole day. Lol
Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?
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Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?
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Rom Manager only works if you have flashed ClockWork recovery.
Most our devs just do AmonRa updates.
asroot2 is what we all used (for sprint users at least...)(or some variation in the implementation of it)
Pretty much asroot2 allows root access until you flash a rom that has su installed in to the /bin directory. After you have flashed a rom, asroot2 is useless and actually probably removed, never really paid attention.
No appoligies needed for your questions as they have merrit. But searching the forum for "unroot for 2.1 update" would yeild most of these answers.
So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.
Look for cb.cp-v69 it is the fastest, most stablest Rom everest. Est. ;p
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So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.
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Each of the ROMs will have their own distinct look and their own advantages. I would take a day or so to lurk around the Hero CDMA Android Development
forum and read through some of the [ROM] threads and read the changelogs, and what the forum members have to say about it. You will benefit from using any of the given ROMs, but you may find that you like a certain look, or feature that only one of them provides. I'm a flipzmode fan myself, so I run a few variations of fresh ROMs and ROMs based of of flipzmode's work. All of the ROMs that I have tried from each of the ROM devs have been awesome.
okay guys, I tried to figure this out without bothering yall, but my newb knowledge is limited and I'm confused as hell. I was planning on rooting my phone today after reading about all the information I've been collecting from you guys, but now that I have updated my phone, will Toast's method using those files still allow me to root? Or do I need new files in order to root my phone? I see some files on developer page on new root but I'm confused if those are for phones already rooted or not...ahhhh
so I guess I'm asking is..if you have stock phone with new update applied, how do I go about rooting my evo?
We don't know yet. You should not have updated.
Quick and straight to the point, thanks for your reply. I guess I'm a motherfreakin idiot with the worst timing in the world for things like this. FML
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We don't know yet. You should not have updated.
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quick question; if i root with Toast's method, then install the rooted updated rom that's in the dev section (by Calkulin), that should be fine, right?
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quick question; if i root with Toast's method, then install the rooted updated rom that's in the dev section (by Calkulin), that should be fine, right?
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So in order to fully root and nand unlock stock evo with new update, all I have to do is follow Toast's step 1&2 then apply the new rooted update on developer site? just wanna get things crystal clear so I don't risk bricking my evo..
I don't know or think it has been confirmed to work with the new update yet.
Toast step 1 will root the phone
Toast step 2 will unlock nand
Installing the new rooted update will flash the stock sprint rom without breaking your root.
mizerab1e said:
So in order to fully root and nand unlock stock evo with new update, all I have to do is follow Toast's step 1&2 then apply the new rooted update on developer site? just wanna get things crystal clear so I don't risk bricking my evo..
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No. We don't even know if you can use Toast's method to root it. You can be the guinea pig and post results, though!
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yup.
Toast step 1 will root the phone
Toast step 2 will unlock nand
Installing the new rooted update will flash the stock sprint rom without breaking your root.
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There is some info going around in dev forum saying Toast's method will not work if you have the new OTA update applied on stock EVO saying you will get error messages and stuff although it will not brick your phone which is adding to more confusion..
has anyone successfully rooted their stock evo with new OTA update applied? or do I need to wait until devs come up with new files needed to root the evo?
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There is some info going around in dev forum saying Toast's method will not work if you have the new OTA update applied on stock EVO saying you will get error messages and stuff although it will not brick your phone which is adding to more confusion..
has anyone successfully rooted their stock evo with new OTA update applied? or do I need to wait until devs come up with new files needed to root the evo?
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All you have to do is place a file in the root of your SD card and reboot the phone. Try it out and post your results!
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Quick and straight to the point, thanks for your reply. I guess I'm a motherfreakin idiot with the worst timing in the world for things like this. FML
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You and me both my friend, you and me both. Sat there as the update came up and thought, I bet this is going to prevent me from rooting today ...
Yeah, ALL root is broken if you install the OTA.
Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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They're busy working on the kernel. Everybody was warned not to accept the OTA and those of us that chose to do it have to lie in our beds until the developers get around to it.
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They're busy working on the kernel. Everybody was warned not to accept the OTA and those of us that chose to do it have to lie in our beds until the developers get around to it.
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Seems like that is the case, someone from dev forum suggested that downgrading the OTA to previous one then rooting might wield some fruit, If I can figure out how to do that I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig for you guys.
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All you have to do is place a file in the root of your SD card and reboot the phone. Try it out and post your results!
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I'm not quite sure which file you're talking about, could you elaborate some more?
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Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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They busted their asses to get root the first time, and, as of right now, every EVO that you buy is capable of being rooted. Only people who update without heeding the warnings are affected, so it is kind of hard to convince a dev to throw down all of their current work to go back and try to solve this AGAIN. It should be a general rule of thumb that you NEVER install manufacturer's updates on any piece of electronics that you are interested in hacking/modifying/changing in any way. 99% of the time they provide some kind of security fixes that are not announced.
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Seems like that is the case, someone from dev forum suggested that downgrading the OTA to previous one then rooting might wield some fruit, If I can figure out how to do that I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig for you guys.
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It doesn't work. I've already tried it. The bootloader is locked.
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They busted their asses to get root the first time, and, as of right now, every EVO that you buy is capable of being rooted. Only people who update without heeding the warnings are affected, so it is kind of hard to convince a dev to throw down all of their current work to go back and try to solve this AGAIN. It should be a general rule of thumb that you NEVER install manufacturer's updates on any piece of electronics that you are interested in hacking/modifying/changing in any way. 99% of the time they provide some kind of security fixes that are not announced.
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I have no doubt in my mind the devs are doing everything they can to provide us with their brilliant work, I have no one but myself to blame for updating the OTA without heeding their warnings. I'm sure once the devs iron out all the issues with previously rooted system, they will get around to us as they always have. I just wish there was any way I can contribute to putting some light onto this matter for those who made the mistake of updating their OTA..
Yeah, was kicking myself as I knew it was a mistake.
Am willing to try out some ish too, that is if an extra Guinea is needed.
How much of a threat is the OTA/radio to future roms and rooting. I want to flash but not if it will jeopardize future endeavors....unrevoked twitter says not to...
As for the official ota that will be pushed by verizon I would not install it until unrevoked took a look at it, the leaked ota can be returned to stock and is fairly safe if you know what you are doing and have taken some time to read.
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jbizzle, MachString's right. Its safe to update to leaked OTA 2.2, and you don't lose root in the process. I recommend SkyRaider 2.0.1 once you've installed the leaked OTA 2.2 Radio and ROM as it's De-Odexed and give a much needed boost of performance w/ CityID and Footprints removed. Follow the steps to update to Leaked 2.2 and then download ROM Manager from Android Market and install SkyRaider 2.0.1 that way
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I am no stranger to rooting or to modified ROMs. I will tell you that I am not installing the "buggy beta" that everyone else has jumped on.
Personally, my plan of attack is to wait until unrEVOked gets the real OTA and sees if they can root it. If they can, then this is a no brainer ... avoid the "buggy beta" at all costs, install the pure ota with the proper radio, and root.
If unrEVOked cannot break it; then its a different question and up to your tastes.
jdmba said:
I am no stranger to rooting or to modified ROMs. I will tell you that I am not installing the "buggy beta" that everyone else has jumped on.
Personally, my plan of attack is to wait until unrEVOked gets the real OTA and sees if they can root it. If they can, then this is a no brainer ... avoid the "buggy beta" at all costs, install the pure ota with the proper radio, and root.
If unrEVOked cannot break it; then its a different question and up to your tastes.
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Its actually not too buggy. I understand your perspective, but I encourage you to give the rom a try for yourself. Its reversible!
There is also a thread in the dev section outlining all of the confirmed bugs. All of which are minor, and most have been patched. There are no deal breakers here.
The only potential for failure lies within flashing the radio. Do your research on the process.
It's very usable for me.
It is very usable. I even made a Rom based on it.
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I'm actually surprised how many posts there are about the Leaked 2.2
Personally, I'd wait until the official one is released and then wait until it can be installed without the OTA. Then you preserve your root and other capabilities.
For those who can afford to mess up their phone and play with new stuff, I can understand... but a lot of people are clearly doing this that shouldn't be.
People who don't have patience, able to read and follow instructions and pull their batteries after waiting a minute or two, shouldn't be doing this.
Also, wait until the official release and try to search for help with all the leaked messages that have been posted. Will make getting real info for the real release harder to find.
Welp
Regrettably, unrEVOked just learned that the 2.2 for the EVO does remove root; and I have to assume that it will be the same for the Incredible. For those of us not willing to use the "buggy beta" this is bad news. I am sure they will be working on it, but it means sitting on 2.1 for a longer time.
I don't see how people are saying the beta is buggy. I've used it, I've used.sky raider.2.0, and I have developed and tested a Rom based off of it, jdfroyo v1
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I don't see how people are saying the beta is buggy. I've used it, I've used.sky raider.2.0, and I have developed and tested a Rom based off of it, jdfroyo v1
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No major bugs here either, but the beta does seem to drain my battery like crazy fast and the Temp was higher than normal, I just flashed back to 2.1 to see if there will be a difference.
Edit: back on 2.1 and the battery usage seems much better and cooler, on 2.2 it was around 105°F and on 2.1 around 97.7°F
Huh?
jdkoreclipse said:
I don't see how people are saying the beta is buggy. I've used it, I've used.sky raider.2.0, and I have developed and tested a Rom based off of it, jdfroyo v1
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Really?
LEAKED Stock 2.2 ROM - **CONFIRMED BUGS**
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738634
[PATCH] Bug fixes for leaked Froyo -- Updated v3 (Fixes Gmail, Market & Superuser)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738799
Leaked 2.2 Data Connectivity Issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738995
At least they changed the topic heading of the original release thread to say "Some Bugs".
I am not going to preach from the mountaintop here ... people want to go thru these fairly dangerous hurdles to install the bugged rom, they can go for it. This is 1 cliff I ain't leaping off of (at least while there is hope that the real 2.2 will be shortly released and hopefully rooted)
OK a nice simple one,
had my dhd a few weeks now very pleased with it. Am a massive fan of cyanogenmod roms, previously had a magic 32b and his roms were the best thing to happen to the phone, so am holding out for a cyanogenmod dhd rom - fingers crossed!
So if I install OTA updates will it stop me from getting root with S-OFF in the future. Golden rule of flashing anything (apart from backing up first!!) is not to update to the latest system software. Well this has always been the case with anyhing I have flashed in the past (psp, ps3, magic 32b, ipod, iphones etc...) is that also the case with the DHD?????
DHD on T-Mobile UK.
nop, its not like "apple" devices, you can install otas from htc and hack your device, the ota include some software issue that fix (bugs and so).
btw: if you have root and recovery - you will not get any OTA, the recovery blocks it,
but you will get it from your costom rom vision.
As I thought, same deal as my old magic 32b then. Still think i'm going to sit on the fence for a while an watch what roms get developed or ported over.
I just miss a few of the mods in CM roms, silly thing like being able to enter a custom field in the add contact menu. Im sure i'll get over it. Although I believe that was a wysie mod to the phone book.
Thanks for the quick response.
Just gotta say how nice this phone is after my magic 32b, its like upgarading the ram and processor on your PC, it flies!!
An afterthought,
it seems it would be sensible to install the first few OTA updates before rooting so any stock software bugs are fixed before you loose the ability to update OTA.
Unless of course you are flashing a custom ROM which I assume the devs would include the bugfixes within their ROMS.
Why dont you try the CM rom now and if you dont want to keep it unroot the phone ?
Its brilliant by the way
I didnt realise there was a CM rom for the DHD, i couldnt see a category on his site for the DHD
But I do see it on the first page here in the dev section. Very pleased CM for the DHD and the phone has only been out a short while!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844703
liorra3 said:
nop, its not like "apple" devices, you can install otas from htc and hack your device, the ota include some software issue that fix (bugs and so)...
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Untrue: OTAs can and surely will fix the exploit used to root our DHD. Once rooted, never install an OTA and wait for a custom rom with the fix(es).
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forelli said:
Untrue: OTAs can and surely will fix the exploit used to root our DHD. Once rooted, never install an OTA and wait for a custom rom with the fix(es).
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Although if they do screw us over it is still possible to restore an older ruu image and re-root. I have archived myself a copy of the original WWE just in case.
dr.m0x said:
Although if they do screw us over it is still possible to restore an older ruu image and re-root. I have archived myself a copy of the original WWE just in case.
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No, because they usually update the hboot, and when they do that, you're properly f#@&!d because Devs have to find a new exploit.
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forelli said:
No, because they usually update the hboot, and when they do that, you're properly f#@&!d because Devs have to find a new exploit.
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Couldn't you make a goldcard with sdk and a HxD hex editor??...then flash the ruu and you should be able to OTA..
Not as I see a need to do this as the Devs will always make new custom roms with the updated offical roms anyway..