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It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yup, didn't expect the HD2 to get obsolete so fast especially considering the amount we paid for it. Really hoped HTC would do something to keep the HD2 feeling fresh during its 2 year lifespan, but they obviously don't care about costumer service at all.
As I understand it both Samsung and HTC are lacking in this department and then people wonder why people choose the iPhone over competing phones.
If it weren't for XDA I would have given up on WM much earlier.
HD2 is ,imho, a "business" platform which would have great gaming potential.
And yes, I agree that both MS and HTC seem not to care about existing customers - they have not understood the concept of doing "iBusiness". Means, understanding the own customers and offering products and solutions which are requested by those important stakeholders.
As the posting before mine mentioned, Samsung is not better at all - they never understood customers. And I know what I am talking about...
I think even if WP7 is going more into the "iBiz" direction, it will not really succeed the way Apple did. Android will fill there. But, you never know. MS will try to move some XBox success over to the mobile platform...
In the sum, I knew about all this when I bought my HD2. In the past, I rarely used any device for more than 2 years - in this case, probably summer 2011, with iPhone 5G and Android "3rd generation", I will take my next choice... until then, I am perfectly fine with my HD2, thanks to xda.
wish34 said:
It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yes i am afraid thats is true..you have been uber-mugged...Thank the god there is xda...and quite honestly, here you can find anything you could want(more or less) that MSFT or HTC would even sweat getting for their customers..HTC being the lesser of the 2 evil since they built this beat and beauty at the same time AND covering so effectively the visual hiddeousness of 6.x platform (visually wise)..You are not on your own, you have the greatest community ever by your side but fact remains , your purchase alone was a money drain (if you do exclude xda and take it as a winmo phone)
i bought hd2 few months ago knowing now what i ignored then about windows 6,.5 dying i would never have bought it but thanks to xda people they gave it the extra mile that was lacking and made it look way more beautiful ,like co0kies tabs, 3G switch in comm manager,and the most beautiful skins from diniks ,what else would you want ?
this sound awfull... cell phone brands leaving their customers on their own or leiving them to a community they dont control..... (don't miss understand me, XDA rocks)
But that kind of brand "policies"... S*ck
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Even a cheap chinese cell phone like "Ciphone" has it's own community to help users, give updates and apps. Cifans forum. I had the c6 and that community did a great job for me. HTC did a lot less...
Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.
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Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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I can understand that. Fair enough, well now I am about to flash a new ROM, I really want to try messing with MaxManila's new interface. Yeah, the HD2 may never see a fully working WP7, but as long as I have the HD2 - I don't think I'll ever get bored of messing with WM6.5/6.5.3/etc, flashing ROMs, and so on. haha. Talking about the gaming standards, I am looking forward to what developers come up with.
This is true and I hate that no sites have had the balls to post about this fact. It's just something both companies I guess feel they DON'T have to take care of and don't feel it's any loss anger a few customers about this issue. The hardware issue is such bull**** in my opinion. This isn't the first time there were phones with different hardware. Simply make some apps for certain phones and obviously the higher end apps will support the higher end phones. The games has been a big issue, but nothing really to care about. FPSECE covers most of that. As far as XDA while I do love the site and it does develop a lot of new and unique things for the HD2 recently it's mostly been custom UIs that are just flooding the HD2 section.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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snapdragon 1ghz cpu is the miniumum standard for Wp7 isnt it?
I would have thought the HD2 opengles was fast enough....oc better drivers
would help as chainfire has allready shown...xda to the rescue again
My point is this is the fastest cpu /phone ive ever used, its capable of far better games perfomance, but as winmo 6.5 phone its never going to see any
games such as gameloft ashphalt 5
There are several games out there that should be updated such as Cod2 and thps2, these would sell to the HD2 comunity and i doubt it would be that difficult or expensive for EA and the like to get these older tittles working
" Anyone else think MS and HTC have let us down? "
nope, can't say I do.
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That would make a seriously good topic title.
htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! Screw u MS and HTC.
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htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! Screw u MS and HTC.
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Have you used an xperia x2 lately? It is slow as a snail compared with the HD2.
It shouldn't be long until they (yes the xda gods) port us android. Windows is and will always be rubbish.
Look on the bright side, the EVO is coming so soooon.
HTC's total failure
not only HTC let us down but make us to feel as idiots that just financed their stupid OS selection by buying HD2. Personally i am wont participate in other their action, will trow away HTC HD2 (and just because the WM...otherwise i like it!) and will never ever buy another HTC product. For now the market is full with alternatives.
NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.
If you look through other HTC phone models on XDA, you will find that very often when the forum has come up with good ideas, and there has been a lot of interest in them, HTC (who read this forum), take it on board and add the idea to their official updates.
So if a large percentage of HD2 owners say they are dumping their HD2 phones, why should HTC bother with updates?
If you do not like your HD2 phone, or MS software, hard luck, don't complain to XDA. The forum did not twist your arm to buy it.
You would not buy a car or computer, without checking its performance first, so why buy a phone without checking its performance first.
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NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.
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I did my research there but I bought my HD2 when I read somewhere it can be upgraded to WP7. A few weeks after I bought it, well...the bad news came up.
I really like the looks and feel of the HD2 but I'm wishing HTC can give us end users an option which OS to use. I'd grab Android anytime. But hey, in a sense, MS let me down but not as much as HTC did.
ofc till xda is here and members have free time to solve problems occurring because of WM and HTC carelessness.
and pls can u explain here how u mek market research on usage of totally new phone on the market. (if u are in the 1st buyers list). i am just curious!
and still believe that companies must have responsibilities to their customers!
hi, i insist to know is it possible to have window mobile on Dell streak?
Any one?
I insist to know why would you want to?
Never mind, I don't care...
Pretty sure the answer is no, though...
i like the design and wide screen of dell streak, but due to the aplications that i use for my work, the winmo is still very important to me.. Not to look down the android bcause it will grow fastly, but for now the winmo still fulfill my need a lot..
Let me know when Bob Pro (Windows ME) has been ported over to the Streak...
theres a million things keeping windows mobile off the streak. mostly drivers and a way to boot it and the shear need. if there actually is something in the world that runs on windows mobile that doesnt run on the streak, than why buy it in the first place?
Why would anyone want to?
You wouldn't replace your Sony DVD Bluray cinema system, with an Hitachi VHS cassette player would you
tmotytn said:
I insist to know why would you want to?
Never mind, I don't care...
Pretty sure the answer is no, though...
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theres a million things keeping windows mobile off the streak. mostly drivers and a way to boot it and the shear need. if there actually is something in the world that runs on windows mobile that doesnt run on the streak, than why buy it in the first place?
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Thanks, at least your answers give me some clues..
You can also go this route
http://www.qigi.cc/showproduce.asp?id=52
and
http://www.waybeta.com/news/9746/le...-era-qigi-12-news-release-_-qi-based-phone/3/
In a remote land this tablet/phone ressembles the streak in a way.
Let us know if you buy one at least me.
Well this turned into a WinMo bashing thread in a hurry. Hey at least he/she didn't ask if you could run iOS on the Streak?
Actually this was not a that-far-out question for me. I bought the Streak for the size not for Android. Yes I'm getting warmed up to Android but I guarantee you that if someone ported WinMo 6.5.X to the Streak I would jump in a heartbeat.
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Well this turned into a WinMo bashing thread in a hurry. Hey at least he/she didn't ask if you could run iOS on the Streak?
Actually this was not a that-far-out question for me. I bought the Streak for the size not for Android. Yes I'm getting warmed up to Android but I guarantee you that if someone ported WinMo 6.5.X to the Streak I would jump in a heartbeat.
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Why? Is that a more feasible prospect?... Can't wait to see that!
Seriously?
Why on EARTH would you even entertain WinMo? Unless there is some seriously proprietary application that is dying on the vine of 6.5, name one thing you can do on WinMo that you cannot on Android? In fact, I can't think of something the Android doesn't do better...
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Well this turned into a WinMo bashing thread in a hurry. Hey at least he/she didn't ask if you could run iOS on the Streak?
Actually this was not a that-far-out question for me. I bought the Streak for the size not for Android. Yes I'm getting warmed up to Android but I guarantee you that if someone ported WinMo 6.5.X to the Streak I would jump in a heartbeat.
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At least i found someone that open minded and share some interest with me..
robroy90 said:
Why on EARTH would you even entertain WinMo? Unless there is some seriously proprietary application that is dying on the vine of 6.5, name one thing you can do on WinMo that you cannot on Android? In fact, I can't think of something the Android doesn't do better...
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Not to offend anybody, but android is still new.. For me, who deal alot with some middle east asia language like arabic, the android still unsupported.. But personally, i'm also look forward for the development of android, coz for me what ever good technology we achieve nowadays, we can make use it wisely for our better daily life, not to be fanatic.. Just like i said, not to offend anybody, different people might use different application according to their own interest, while some others might even didn't bother it at all.. So, don't judge other people based on your interest and condition, there might be some reason that other people need while you didn't..
I had windows mobile for 5 years, I'm not bashing it, I'm just questioning the need. Its an outdated os at this point and I'm just wondering what windows mobile could do at this point that android can't.
Once upon a time I couldn't stand WinMo...but once I figured out how to use it, I left the Blackberry world for good. When I got an iPhone, there were lots of things I missed from the WinMo world.
Since I have 5 lines on ATT, the HD2 only offers me EDGE speed, and if it weren't for that, I would have probably carried that device for the past year..so I didn't mean to sound like I was bashing WinMo--it has its place in history for sure.
But why would MS be moving forward with Win7 phones if they didn't agree with some of us in that WinMo is a dying OS, much like Blackberry?
For me, personally, I can pick up any Android device and within an hour or two, be doing anything I used to be able to do on the Tilt or Blackjack or my personal fave, the Q9h...PLUS MUCH MORE...
Granted, if you need specialized languages and things of that nature, right now, at this moment, Android may not be right for you, but in time those things will come, too.
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Granted, if you need specialized languages and things of that nature, right now, at this moment, Android may not be right for you, but in time those things will come, too.
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And if it's that big of a deal (languages), and you work with them so much... you might want to consider helping out on translations on getting official support for the language(s) you need.
Would it be possible to load Android onto the Dell Venue Pro? I got issued one by my company, and would prefer Android 2.2/2.3 to WP7...
then buy an android device...
y know like the dell streak...
domineus said:
then buy an android device...
y know like the dell streak...
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Let the xda-dev happen...please do not kill the thread. This is the forum where we can meet and get what we think is the best of all worlds..tweaks/roots.
sahuja said:
Let the xda-dev happen...please do not kill the thread. This is the forum where we can meet and get what we think is the best of all worlds..tweaks/roots.
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oh by all means please Please do that. You know first getting access to root commands which we haven't, find an ability to change the spl (which we haven't) and finally porting android to windows phone 7 through something not named haret...
oh yes but I'm killing the thread.
Let's be realistic. If you want an android device, get an android device. Get an HD2, but what's ruining the thread?
Users asking when can I get android like xda is waiting forever to serve your android needs.
Take my advice, get a device that runs android if you don't want the dell
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Would it be possible to load Android onto the Dell Venue Pro? I got issued one by my company, and would prefer Android 2.2/2.3 to WP7...
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Perhaps when the Dell Venue comes out it may be possible, since both devices should have very similar hardware.
maybe you missed the part where he said he was issued one by his company?
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maybe you missed the part where he said he was issued one by his company?
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maybe you missed the part that included selling it and getting a droid...
how nice... my post was randomly deleted for no reason.
Yay for overzealous mods?
I think if HTC HD2 (an android device) can be loaded with WP7, it's quite likely a WP7 device can be loaded with android.
HD2 is WM6.5
No, hd2 is with android, linux, meego, wm6 and wp7
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I for one would love to see a dual boot DVP, WP7 and Android.
Yeah, I have an Android phone (actually 2), and I love it, but I've also been playing with WP7 and it's great too. I actually have a DVP on order.
The big thing for me though is the hardware.
The DVP is a BEAUTIFUL phone, and I love the form factor. There's nothing else like it.
I think the next closest phone would be the BB Torch (outdated crap and no AWS), the Pre series (crap that HP will kill, also no AWS), or the Moto Spice (POS Android 2.1 with locked Bootloader)
I know it's not possible right now and I'll fully enjoy my DVP when it arrives.
I'm hoping that someone will be able to crack the DVP (wasn't GeoHot supposed to do it at Pwn2Own?) and since the Android Venue is supposed to be more-or-less the same hardware (minus the sweet keyboard), hopefully it will be possible eventually.
I own a Galaxy Tab and would second this since someone brought it up. Before my Tab I was actually eagerly awaiting the DVP, mainly for its build quality and portrait slide-out QWERTY. Didn't get it in the end cos of the teething WP7 issues, and also because it wasn't even launched in my country till today; but I would have disregarded warranty issues and imported it if WP7 didn't have all those issues.
After using Android I realised it fit my usage pattern much better, but I'm still pining after the hardware of the DVP. Would be great to have the best of both worlds.
What is it with people getting defensive about the idea of having a Dell Venue Pro running Android? I had a Touch Pro 2 that ran Android, the HD2 runs Android and HD7, Sure I can always buy an Android device (which I do, I own a Droid Pro and a Nexus One) but the hardware on the Dell Venue Pro is probably some of the best I've had (Returned the phone after a few weeks due to it being WP7)
I've started a Bounty on Android on the DVP here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13920817#post13920817
Please, contribute if you can!
Yes, I also don't get why some people mind. I do own HTC Desire Z wich is great, but wow, the DVP is stunning! I love the way it looks and feels in the hand, and shockingly the keyboard is the best I've seen, even better than Desire Z's one. (shock)
There's nothing like it on the market, but WM7 is a deal breaker. That's why if someone ports Android on DVP, I sell my Desire Z in a heartbeat and go buy a Venue Pro!
So please, someone, do it!
Anyone try the rooting technique for the venue on a venue pro yet..? I may when my replacement for this one comes. I have been playing with some Droid ROMs, and funniest thing things is lots of these Droid ROMs remind me of the Energy ROM with HTC sense on WM6.5.. so if I can get Droid on my DVP, I may ditch WM7 until Mango update.
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Why would a root exploit for android do anything to wp7? And how would you run it? All the root methods I'm familiar with are either all's (z4root, gingerbreak, etc) or require adb (superoneclick or manual methods), neither of which has anything to do with wp7
Sent from my Dell Streak running StreakDroid 1.9 by D.J. Steve
Not owning a Droid phone wasn't sure if you could get the DVP to "connect to pc" screen and then run some kind of technique to install android on top.. I stopped hacking and generally screwing with my phones when is went from WM to WP
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can someone have a laugh and try holding down vol up and connecting usb cable to dvp while its turned off- and the same with volume down see if computer sees anything show up - anyone who owns a streak5 will know why i ask it
I'm having 0 issues with my DVP. BUT what I am haing issues is finding usable apps, not on the marketplace.
Every time I think i fine something useful like say a file explorer i find this noted on the page.
"Update: TouchXperience does not seem to work on non-HTC devices,"
I'm not a big user of Apps but certain things should be usable no matter who makes your phone, I mean it's still windows.
You are either the only NOT having problems with the 16GB Dell Venue Pro, or you have an 8GB Dell Venue Pro.
May 4th Venue Pro just died last night. Won't boot past the Dell Screen. These phones are complete POS. I am starting to lose my mind with these things. PLEASE.... if you don't own one, go with an HD7 if your are with T-Mobile. I don't care how much brighter the Venue Pro screen is, it is not worth the headaches of the 15-20 crashes a day. Or as I just stated -- the phone completely dying.
have you solved your problem?
Nope... they say they will send another, but I have to wait for them to manufacture it and ground ship it; hence - in about 3 weeks. Another monthly payment with no phone. I have really given up. These things were never built correctly and never will be. If you would like to see where I am at mentally:
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/3824/t/19376375.aspx
I have to figure out a way to get an HD7 cheap I guess. I am not dumping another $400 on a phone. I wish someone from Microsoft would read this and see that I love my Zune, love my Zune software, and Love the Windows Phone 7 OS. But all this is being completely ruined for me by the Dell Venue Pro.
If someone from Microsoft is reading this... HOOK ME UP....get me an HD7 at cost! I need another Windows Phone but as I stated, I am not dumping another large pile of money into an almost identical product (minus the crashing and now permanent lock-ups) less than a year after I already forked money out.
MICROSOFT --- PLEASE HELP US. At least pull the Windows Phone license from Dell. They are taking your great operating system and dragging it through the mud. Everyone I know is incorrectly associating these Dell Venue Pro fiasco's with Windows Phone 7.
I havent had any issues with the phone. If you have having a problem with the apps installing, just wipe the phone and reinstall the update. If you still have problems just have Dell send you a new phone, you may have got a bad one. That happens sometimes with every type of phone. Personally, I think that these people complaining that the phone is a "POS", is more user error than anything else. And for them Im going to recommend a non-smart phone, and the idea that a developing website may not be the place for them if they cant even figure out how to work the phone. If you need help wiping the phone back to stock and then updating from there let me know. I can post the steps for you.
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I havent had any issues with the phone. If you have having a problem with the apps installing, just wipe the phone and reinstall the update. If you still have problems just have Dell send you a new phone, you may have got a bad one. That happens sometimes with every type of phone. Personally, I think that these people complaining that the phone is a "POS", is more user error than anything else. And for them Im going to recommend a non-smart phone, and the idea that a developing website may not be the place for them if they cant even figure out how to work the phone. If you need help wiping the phone back to stock and then updating from there let me know. I can post the steps for you.
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That is close to the most insulting thing I have ever read. I smart phone isn't for me. I may not be able to code apps and develope a website, but this isn't rocket science. I have gone through 4. There is no "user error". The phone's have just crashed under normal operation -- app loading or not app loading. There are so many complaints all over the web by tech savy people (go look at the guy over at zdnet) with the exact same problem.
Since you are chalking this up to "user error" , enlighten me as to what you think has been done? As far as a wiping the phone back to stock, it is stock on the Dell screen. I can force a hard reset with the down volume, camera, and power button, but it fails everytime.
As I stated, before you chalk this up as "user error", go do some research on the web. The failure rate of the 16Gb units is astounding. There is not a whole lot of things you can do to these phones to brick them, unless you start tampering with the SD card, jailbreaking or hombrewing the OS, or both. Other than that it is pretty much idiot proof.
Thanks for trying to downplay the situation, but I am sure most people on here are not buying your excuse.
I have two 16GB Venue Pro's, one I use for personal use and one for development. I received my first DVP about 2 months ago, and have had no issues with it. I ordered my second one, and have it for about two weeks with no issues. So between development and personal use I have seen no major issues with these phones. The only problem I have seen here, is your many threads and complaints through out this section. Frankly if you have had 4 phones and they all seem to have problems, the only common denominator there is you sir. XDA is for development and help, not just to flame phones and complain.
The largest thread on Dell Mobility....
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/3824/t/19358469.aspx
apparently I am the common factor there too? Zero flaming here. As you see in the above thread, everything I state is WIDESPREAD, DOCUMENTED, and FACT. Nice try though, sir.
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I have two 16GB Venue Pro's, one I use for personal use and one for development. I received my first DVP about 2 months ago, and have had no issues with it. I ordered my second one, and have it for about two weeks with no issues. So between development and personal use I have seen no major issues with these phones. The only problem I have seen here, is your many threads and complaints through out this section. Frankly if you have had 4 phones and they all seem to have problems, the only common denominator there is you sir. XDA is for development and help, not just to flame phones and complain.
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Check out the poll at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891295
Not all 16GB have problem, but a fairly high percentage do.
missionsparta said:
The largest thread on Dell Mobility....
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/3824/t/19358469.aspx
apparently I am the common factor there too? Zero flaming here. As you see in the above thread, everything I state is WIDESPREAD, DOCUMENTED, and FACT. Nice try though, sir.
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I would ignore him, there are obviously good working units but the issues are real, documented and acknowledged and anyone who would dismiss that fact just because he has had a good experience is not worth arguing with. Been through 4 myself so I guess I just dont know how to use the highly advanced features of the Dell
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I would ignore him, there are obviously good working units but the issues are real, documented and acknowledged and anyone who would dismiss that fact just because he has had a good experience is not worth arguing with. Been through 4 myself so I guess I just dont know how to use the highly advanced features of the Dell
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I've had 3 2 have been good. So I know there are issues. The one I am using right now is really good. But I only add the really part when I swapped sd cards. So that is indeed an issue. I assure you I have neither user issues nor flame anyone. Missions statements are true. Your points about complaining and flaming are right on though. At some point threats and complaints fo become overwhelming.
I'm not trying to upset you buddy, I'm just saying if you hate the phone return it. You don't need to keep posting everywhere here about how much you hate this phone.
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I'm having 0 problems with the phone itself, and the apps from the marketplace are fine.
My issue is comeing from the actual usable homebrew apps. The ones we actually could use for something like adding ringers and files.
And I do have the 8 gig model with NoDo and am looking into a 32gig class 10 microsd card but it cost me almost 600 for the phone. (UPS charged me 80 bucks for crossing the border)
so for me it's quickly becoming a usability issue, not a phone issue. THe phone works as planned.
With reference to my enquiry to htc for an official android rom for the hd2.
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And yet, microsoft denys us of having a windows phone 7 update. This shows how simple minded and selfish microsoft is.
Firstly, the 5 button issue. We can take that the power button just moved down to the front. And also the windows icon can be the camera and the home button could be the search button!
If microsoft does not provide us an update, why not let htc create android for the hd2? Who the hell wants to use winmo6.5? Its like, SO. LAST. CENTURY.
Winmo does not have flash 10, only flash lite, and thats not good enough for us to enjoy full flash experience on the winmo6.5 browser. Skyfire and opera has already stopped support for winmo6.5 .
Nice, I see a very "nokia's symbian" like phone right in front of me...
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Let me be honest: I don´t see any sense in a thread like this.
If you hate Microsoft or HTC, or even both, why do you buy a product from them?
As of today, it is standard that you cannot officially change the OS on your smartphone, but developers and chefs like here at xda make this possible for you. So, where´s the problem?
I fully agree with you that it would have been a great step by HTC to officially offer Android or WP7 for HD2 - now that would have been an amazing (and probably strategically wise) decision of HTC. But, they don´t make such a thing happen. I don´t blame them for that.
The future will show if HTC can continue a healthy growth, but I think this will not really depend on some "geeks" like us. Eighty per cent of the users don´t care about such things. All they want is an everyday use device; too many changes are not really what the masses want.
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tictac0566 said:
Let me be honest: I don´t see any sense in a thread like this.
If you hate Microsoft or HTC, or even both, why do you buy a product from them?
As of today, it is standard that you cannot officially change the OS on your smartphone, but developers and chefs like here at xda make this possible for you. So, where´s the problem?
I fully agree with you that it would have been a great step by HTC to officially offer Android or WP7 for HD2 - now that would have been an amazing (and probably strategically wise) decision of HTC. But, they don´t make such a thing happen. I don´t blame them for that.
The future will show if HTC can continue a healthy growth, but I think this will not really depend on some "geeks" like us. Eighty per cent of the users don´t care about such things. All they want is an everyday use device; too many changes are not really what the masses want.
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Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
Without official, nothings really complete, cause htc has the fully working drivers that the devs all want their hands on...
Fully functional if all the kernels and stuff were released to devs from htc.
I think most hd2 users want an upgrade but dont bother to complain.
Imagine if we had just one stock rom from htc... All cameras/camcorders will work. No wifi broken or bluetooth etc.
What more, others are making the switch to sensation or other preloaded android.
*I would if i could too
calvinfoo said:
Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
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Please help me, when and where were we promised to get WP7 on our HD2, I can't remenber that I ever read something like that...
...and due to WP7 restrictions, I'm very happy with WM6.
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Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
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We were never "promised" any such thing. We simply had a Microsoft spokesmen saying something like "It will be looked into" or maybe somebody saying unofficially "yeah it will happen" which is in no way any sort of official stance on the subject.
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Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
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when? where and please give a direct source, as it was NEVER promised by either HTC or M$ that the phone would get wp7
i bought the phone at the time because of the hardware not because of any future upgrade paths, if android hadnt come along id still be quite happily using winmo 6.5.x
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With reference to my enquiry to htc for an official android rom for the hd2.
And yet, microsoft denys us of having a windows phone 7 update. This shows how simple minded and selfish microsoft is.
Firstly, the 5 button issue. We can take that the power button just moved down to the front. And also the windows icon can be the camera and the home button could be the search button!
If microsoft does not provide us an update, why not let htc create android for the hd2? Who the hell wants to use winmo6.5? Its like, SO. LAST. CENTURY.
Winmo does not have flash 10, only flash lite, and thats not good enough for us to enjoy full flash experience on the winmo6.5 browser. Skyfire and opera has already stopped support for winmo6.5 .
Nice, I see a very "nokia's symbian" like phone right in front of me...
Feel free to share your comments.
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I have Windows XP, why didn't I get a free upgrade to Windows 7. The new version of my car has parking sensors as standard, can I ask for them to retro fit it to my car for free?
We are entitled to updates not upgrades. I could have went from 1.48 to 1.72 to 3.14 ROM - these are updates to both WinMo and Sense.
The only thing that was stupid for microsoft was that they didn't officially or even unofficially allow the HD2 to be upgraded, not to please HD2 users but just to boost the WP7 Market numbers - these increased numbers would have persuaded more Marketplace developers.
WinMo may well be 'so last century' but it does well what I need it to do. The only weakness is development of apps. There is apps you can get for the iphone that you cannot get on the Android and visa versa, so are they so last century. Microsoft were way behind in developing (copying) the iphone marketplace and now they have went the full way by copying the iphone (WP7).
There is not a website that I have come accross that I cannot view the contents. Having XP I don't get to install IE9 and now IE10. Oh deary me, what can I do?
I've lost count of manufacturer's specific operating systems that just died. They hoped that it would lead to a vast app market (and so did the folks that bought these phones), only to find sod all.
tictac0566 said:
Let me be honest: I don´t see any sense in a thread like this.
If you hate Microsoft or HTC, or even both, why do you buy a product from them?
As of today, it is standard that you cannot officially change the OS on your smartphone, but developers and chefs like here at xda make this possible for you. So, where´s the problem?
I fully agree with you that it would have been a great step by HTC to officially offer Android or WP7 for HD2 - now that would have been an amazing (and probably strategically wise) decision of HTC. But, they don´t make such a thing happen. I don´t blame them for that.
The future will show if HTC can continue a healthy growth, but I think this will not really depend on some "geeks" like us. Eighty per cent of the users don´t care about such things. All they want is an everyday use device; too many changes are not really what the masses want.
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I agree to what you say.
According to me what the OP is trying to convey to the people is that Microsoft and HTC both neglected the potential of a device which was both in terms of hardware and software potentially capable of running two operating systems being Android and Windows Phone 7.
Now looking at Microsoft's customer support. In the past in terms of OS upgradability MS was generous enough to offer people free upgrades.
Example: People who bought the laptops two months before Windows 7 was released were offered free upgrades.
Now that's just an example but we can clearly relate this to as to why MS didn't do the same with the HD2. Now Why ?? I don't have an answer to that and the only man according to me who can answer that is http://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore perhaps you can contact him and ask him personally.
Now coming to HTC.
Clearly the people at HTC know by now that yes HD2 is capable of running Android super smoothly without any problems.
Now the question is, once HTC HD2 was released as a flagship Windows Mobile device back then even HTC knew that HD2 is the best windows mobile phone in the market... So why will they change the license agreement with Microsoft and release Android ?? I am not a HTC official but the answer to this wont be in our favor for sure.
Also HD2 was the device which provided the genesis of HTC Sense. And I dont say this but Drew Bamford the product engineer at HTC does.
His full talk can be found here: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/23/the-engadget-show-003-drew-bamford-joystiqs-chris-grant-ad/
So in short...its a million dollar industry guys...a multinational company..these kind of decisions just don't take place out of the blue moon.
However I will be really happy if HTC releases an official Android Rom.
(Which seems kind of challenging specially with the unethical change of the Windows Logo to become the Menu in Android )
http://www.dkszone.net/htc-working-on-official-android-2.3-update-for-htc-hd2
also, who cares about "official" roms anymore!? the first thing i did when i got my hd2 is to flash an energy (winmo 6.5) rom on it!
owing to the fact what the hd2 hardware is capable of it is pure nonsense htc and microsoft cannot release wp7 for hd2. hardware button mapping can be distributed easily with the only limitation being a soft key for camera operation.
though we were never promised such an update, my view still holds. they can but they wont. htc has already made hd7 and microsoft wp7 on it. they wana sell it. they want money.
thing is they cant get a profit if they were to release an update. and the other thing is even though some of us are even ready to buy a wp7 OS update to hd2 if they release...soon the OS update wud release asap to the masses (think of one such site in particular) and we wud be flashing for free.
so ultimately its the profit they are after. so hd2 is a done deal and no more.
and since are at it. here is a slogan
HTC (quietly ignorant)
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i dropped $ on the HD2 mere months before the HD7 release because the tmo sales guy at the ritzy tmo store 'claimed' very intently that 'oh for SURE htc & tmo love me enough to do the right thing' by upgrading my hd2 to the hd7 system.
sucker for the latest tech candy.........me.
it was my first large smartphone purchase from a featureless clamshell w/no color display.
it showed.
it won't happen again.
the cell phone manufacturers and providers are going to find that in a few short years that peeps like me are a thing of the past, and have to become transparent.
or find new ways to trick us.
gig tiers is 1 way...
imagine if your p.c. was treated the same as the smartphones are...
lol, i give it 5 years and voila! home internet split into 6 overpriced underpowered gig tiers...
i miss the interwebs of '95...heck BBS of '87 was cool.
btw i agree with the op.
entirely.
kidrythm said:
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imagine if your p.c. was treated the same as the smartphones are...
lol, i give it 5 years and voila! home internet split into 6 overpriced underpowered gig tiers...
i miss the interwebs of '95...heck BBS of '87 was cool.
btw i agree with the op.
entirely.
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So you got a free upgrade from Win95 to Win98 to Win2000 to WinXP to Win Vista to Win7?
How many had to replace their perfectly working printer because it would not work with a new operating system because the manufacturer didn't update the drivers?
I have had phones that were WinMo5 with no official upgrade to WinMo6 or 6.5 and WinMo6 with no upgrade to WinMo6.5. I did get those upgrades thanks to the extremely clever chefs on here.
As I have said before that I think that microsoft were stupid not the allow an upgrade to WP7. Not for pleasing existing customers, but to get more users to their brand new Apps Market and also keep them when they went for a new phone.