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Sprint rep told me that battery graph is what is draining my battery

I'm within my 30days
I love this phone.
My battery discharges rapidly, especially their the first 5 mins off the charger.
I have been looking at this issue, but I am new to android.
I find it funny we can't actually see a battery percentage without installing third party apps. Then Sprint tries to say that these apps are the cause of the issue.
Trust me, I understand that this phone will drain the battery more rapidly than a lot of other phones. But there is something wrong with the way this phone charges the battery, therefore we see less battery life.
Can anyone prove or disprove their little claim that I am killing the battery by looking at its performance?
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tell him that the phone and the plan is also draining your wallet, may be you should do something about that too

the reason your battery sometimes drops so quickly after you take it off the charger has been well documented. several threads with ways to improve the battery as well.
it has to do with the way the battery actually charges. it charges to 100% then allows the phone to discharge to 90% then charges up again...so at any time when you unplug the phone you may have 91% to 100% charge. or something like that.
1) have you tried conditioning your battery? (plug, wait, unplug, rinse repeat)
2) are you rooted? (try using something like SetCPU or JuiceDefender)
3) are you on stock or custom rom? (the custom kernel devs have been working on this issue)
hmmmm...how could you possibly disprove the sprint person? try not using it for a couple days...see what happens.

DraginMagik said:
try not using it for a couple days...see what happens.
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No doubt....my withdrawals kick in after its been in my pocket for too long...

While do appreciate the input, I disagree with it being well documented. I have tried both top off methods, aka conditioning, and it seems to give you more of a charge, but as soon as discharge the battery you are right back where you started, conditioning the battery every morning is not ideal.
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If the phone is new, its going to take a few cycles to improve. I remember when in my first week it wouldn't last a day. Now I can get 20-30 hours out of it. (ROMs and tweaking of course.)

There are tons of threads detailing what you can do to improve battery life... What have you done?
The purpose of a battery graph is to compare how your phone discharges to how your phone is being used. What plotting app do you have?

engagedtosmile said:
If the phone is new, its going to take a few cycles to improve. I remember when in my first week it wouldn't last a day. Now I can get 20-30 hours out of it. (ROMs and tweaking of course.)
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This is false...lithium batteries do not get broken in or conditioned. What you saw is more than likely a result of constant using your new toy. The novelty has worn off and you have tweaked it so now you have extended the battery life.

I have disabled Bluetooth, WiFi, gps, and 4g
I set the radio to cdma only, and this led to problems. So I cleared all data And started over.
Are youguys seriously ok with 'conditioning' your batteries every morning?
Sometimes I think people think I'm just trying to find faults with this device. I want to keep the phone, but I also want this problem clearly identified and resolved. I should not have to use my tilt 2 to charge my battery because my new state of the art phone can't do it correctly.
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lettcco said:
tell him that the phone and the plan is also draining your wallet, may be you should do something about that too
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it's called the Fat Wallet Mod Discussed in other threads also,
But yes, I think it's dumb to have to condition the phone to get the best battery life, and how I have to get soo much good Light to take a good camera shot when other comparable phones don't need too. You have to weigh the goods and bad yourself.

The discharging of the battery is necessary as trickle charging a lithium battery is not recommended...thus this leads to you possibly having 95% instead of the full 100%. This is normal. Just unplug the device and charge again, or top it of in the car.
You never mentioned if you were rooted or not. If you don't use the news then don't sync it. If you don't use gtalk then disable it and turn off the auto sign in...i found that this app uses a lot of battery and its turned on by default.

It is not conditioning your battery.
When you charge your new evo and it hits 100%, the phone STOPS charging. It has no trickle charge. It begins charging again at 90% if still plugged in, although it reads 100% until it comes off the charger.
SO, when you unplug it, it says 100%, but could be anywhere between 90 and 100. If you simply unplug your phone, wait for it to display something other than fully charged (usually takes 30-60 seconds), then plug it back in, it will then charge back to 100%. You can simply unplug it, wait a few and then plug it back in while you go about your shower and cereal. When you are ready to leave the house you'll probably be at or near 100% instead of seeing it drop to something much lower.
This is NOT conditioning your battery. A more appropriate term would be "bump charging". As you are simply bumping it back to a charge state when it was in a resting state.
Another GREAT method of increasing battery life is resetting your battery stats. This is clearing out what the phone defines as full, and as empty and setting up these values again. I am not sure why, but they are off on many phones. They also get wiped anytime you flash a new rom so this procedure would again be in order if you experience poor battery life.
These are the instructions straight off cyanogen wiki. You can also reset them using Amon recovery.
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1.Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2.Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra and ClockworkMod recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1.Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2.Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.

Excellent write up carguy... +15 internets to you

surrealmethod said:
Excellent write up carguy... +15 internets to you
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why thank you kind sir!

potna said:
I'm within my 30days
I love this phone.
My battery discharges rapidly, especially their the first 5 mins off the charger.
I have been looking at this issue, but I am new to android.
I find it funny we can't actually see a battery percentage without installing third party apps. Then Sprint tries to say that these apps are the cause of the issue.
Trust me, I understand that this phone will drain the battery more rapidly than a lot of other phones. But there is something wrong with the way this phone charges the battery, therefore we see less battery life.
Can anyone prove or disprove their little claim that I am killing the battery by looking at its performance?
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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sprint rep is an idiot and if you took the time to search instead of making this post you could have saved yourself some trouble

no...i can't imagine anyone 'conditions' their battery daily. however, if experiencing issues wiping the stats and doing the conditioning thing do have an impact.

Sporkman said:
sprint rep is an idiot and if you took the time to search instead of making this post you could have saved yourself some trouble
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While most of the battery problem isn't the plotter app, the plotter app is using a fair amount of battery, so I usually would recommend not having such apps running except when you are diagnosing problems. Turn off various apps sync settings and keep background apps to a minimum, like juice plotter, battery widgets, and other data intensive apps and widgets. That right there will save you some power. Other than that, follow all the excellent suggestions that are already in this thread. Oh, and I find I get better battery when I just don't worry about it. I set up all my sync services and then leave them alone. Then just go about my day, using my phone as needed. Constantly worrying about it only wastes power because you are constantly fiddling with settings and apps.

PROTIP: Never believe anything a cellular rep tells you. Ever. EVER!

The Evo just has terrible battery life, that's my personal conclusion. One of the trade offs with such a huge screen and such. You'd think that in this day and age battery technology would have kept up with all the other bells and whistles, but no.

carguy4471 said:
It is not conditioning your battery.
When you charge your new evo and it hits 100%, the phone STOPS charging. It has no trickle charge. It begins charging again at 90% if still plugged in, although it reads 100% until it comes off the charger.
SO, when you unplug it, it says 100%, but could be anywhere between 90 and 100. If you simply unplug your phone, wait for it to display something other than fully charged (usually takes 30-60 seconds), then plug it back in, it will then charge back to 100%. You can simply unplug it, wait a few and then plug it back in while you go about your shower and cereal. When you are ready to leave the house you'll probably be at or near 100% instead of seeing it drop to something much lower.
This is NOT conditioning your battery. A more appropriate term would be "bump charging". As you are simply bumping it back to a charge state when it was in a resting state.
Another GREAT method of increasing battery life is resetting your battery stats. This is clearing out what the phone defines as full, and as empty and setting up these values again. I am not sure why, but they are off on many phones. They also get wiped anytime you flash a new rom so this procedure would again be in order if you experience poor battery life.
These are the instructions straight off cyanogen wiki. You can also reset them using Amon recovery.
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1.Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2.Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra and ClockworkMod recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1.Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2.Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
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I'm sorry but that all sounds like the formula to derive the circumference of the nucleus of an atomic variable perpendicular to the perimeter of the nth root in relation to the isosceles of the .........geezus, all that just to get a smidgen of decent battery life...

[Q] Wipe the battery stats am I interpreting this right?

I have allready read:
Battery recalibration (Thanks to Cyanogen for this and to fachadick for bringing it to my attention).
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Boot to recovery and wipe battery stats.
(To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for your ROM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue.)
3. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off. Take out the battery, and keep trying to turn on your phone until it will not turn back on at all.
4. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
This is a method that has been proven to work, I am sure there are other ways. My battery lasts longer after doing this and the reading is much more accurate. It might be advisable to do this after every ROM install if you want the most battery life and most accurate battery reading by the phone's software.
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My question is dose the phone need to be off or on for stage 4 the recharging of the battery?
If it can be off for stage 4. Dose it need to be charged in one sitting or can I charge it partially then take it to work and then charge it the rest of the way before I turn the phone back on?
This my second attempt at doing a battery stats wipe. The first time I tried I left the phone on wile charging and the battery only charged to 3800mV calming it was at 100%. I had to bump charge it 3 times over 3 hours before the battery was up to 4100mV-4200mV and clmaing 100% charge capacity.
Evo 4g Ur3 Stock root Seidio 3500mAh extended life battery.

1) You can have it on
2) NO! charge it from 0-100% in one sitting
I did it according to the above with my 1&2 and im getting accurate readings now as well as the battery life i should have.

Eat it iPhone said:
1) You can have it on
2) NO! charge it from 0-100% in one sitting
I did it according to the above with my 1&2 and im getting accurate readings now as well as the battery life i should have.
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I wonder if this means that I will not be able to have proper battery stats as my phone likes to stop charging and claim that it's at 100% when its actually at 50-80%/ (It dose this 95% of the time... It even did it with the stock battery stock battery a couple of times)

Battery adjusting method. ( Works for me )

Hi guys,
After a week with hard usage, I decided to adjust my SGS2 battery. Maybe you know this method anyway... It works for me at least and I can see the improvment.
Here we go,
Let the phone charge 100% full. Unpluge and turn it OFF...
Plug charger and wait again till 100%...Then unplug it again...
Turn the phone ON ...Use a few minutes DONT PLUG.
And finally, turn it OFF again and plug charger and wait till 100% full of charge.
Now you can turn it on and use...DONE...
Hope it helps...

This is close to the way of doing it, but the battery stats file remains. So to improve this further, you'll need to wipe the battery stats. Let it decharge. Then charge it to 100% while it's off or something.

So what does that give to you? Better batery life? How did you decide that it works?

Its like; after 10-15 minutes playing game, battery is still 100%

prodygee said:
This is close to the way of doing it, but the battery stats file remains. So to improve this further, you'll need to wipe the battery stats. Let it decharge. Then charge it to 100% while it's off or something.
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Yeah, you are right too...

Do not do this well posted bump charging trick often as your battery life will drop with too frequent bump charging .
jje

Battery inaccurate after boot

Hi all
since a week or so i have a strange problem with my sgs and i hope you can help me to fix it
Everything works just fine (battery is accurate) until i switch off / reboot the phone
but at next boot the battery reports a very low value
(e.g. the phone has 55% battery left and after the reboot it reports only 8%)
with Froyo 2.2.1 (Speedmod Kernel) it would stay at that level until the battery has really drained to that point
With GB (JVQ - Galaxian Kernel) the battery percentage increases slowly
What i tried so far:
first of all, i deleted the battery stats for a few times and because that didn't work i upgraded to JVQ (with repartitioning and all), but that didn't solve the problem either
i don't really know what to do anymore and i hope someone can help me
thanks

Just do a few drain/ charge cycles and that should sort it
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First off, wiping batterystats.bin alone won't help.
Try this:
1. Charge to 100% until it says unplug charger.
2. Wipe batterystats.bin from recovery, unplug and then reboot
3. Drain your phone's battery until it shuts itself down
4. Charge to 100% without interrupting the charge
5. Enjoy :3

thanks for the quick replay!
unfortunately thats basically what i have already done
since the problem happened the first time, i have charged the phone at least 5 times and wiped the battery stats for 2 or 3 times right after charging the phone to 100%
its true that normally i don't drain the battery completely, but yesterday i have done just that and than let the phone charge overnight - but that didn't solve the problem
i will try to fully discharge the phone a few more times and load the battery while the phone is switched off
still i hope someone has an other suggestion how to solve this annoying problem
thanks

lol - stop deleting the batterystats.bin for starters.
The batterystats needs to indentify the top and bottom markers such as 0% - 100%, delete it ONCE.
Firstly, turn the phone off, charge the phone to 100%, bump charge it, till 100% truely.
This means, unplug...then plug it in again until you keep getting 100% show up.
Boot up into recovery then delete the batterystats.bin.
Use it heavy, activate everything and drain it. Make sure it is compeltely drained, try turning the phone back on, take the battery out for about 2 mins, try turning it on again, if it doesnt turn on, you've drained it.
Plug your charger in, do not turn the phone on, let it charge to 100%, again, bump charge it until 100% truely full, turn the phone on and let it run its natural course this time.
Do not delete the batterystats.bin again, you will have to repeat the process, it will take a good 2/3 times of charge/discharge for the stats to settle.
Hopefully helps dude! Good luck

thanks pidz!
just to clarify: i have had my sgs for a half year now and i never wiped the battery stats until last week
But i haven't tried bump charging jet - i really don't like that process as it is bad for the battery but might be worth a try, thanks

it usually happens with non original batteries. did you changed a battery? or maybe you got a fake one with you phone?

PROPER battery calibration... is getting on my nerves :/

So, I am using MIUI 2.1.12 with LorDModUE 8.6 CFS 2WCR kernel.
I have installed 4EXT Recovery Controller and CurrentWidget.
With CurrentWidget, I monitored the battery while charging until it reached 0mA (which means the battery is as full as it can get).
With 4EXT Recovery Controller I removed the batterystats.bin file.
I drained the phone until it shut itself down. Then I charged it (without powering it on) until it was full (LED was green).
I power on the phone... 99% battery.
I plug in the charger... it says 26mA (which means it would reach 0mA as in full charge in another 20-30 minutes).
WHAT THE HELL?!
This never happened while I was using the default CM kernel included in MIUI. Only happened with Tiamat and LordMod.
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Seriously, guys, what is the best way to calibrate the battery?! Perhaps I should not have let it shut itself down, but plug the charger when the phone was at 1% (which lasted for another 20-30 minutes, by the way)?!

if I don't remember it wrong the LED turns green at 90%.

afair the battery doesn't get charged during booting. which means that you probably lost the 1% during boot.

I also used the same method and got it calibrated correctly
but is their any other way too ?

monki79 said:
if I don't remember it wrong the LED turns green at 90%.
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The LED turns green on AOSP ROMs at 90%, when the phone is ON, as far as I know. When it is OFF, it works fine (goes green at 100%).
I want to hear from the developers / those that know how these codes work and stuff... Cause I don't want to look at my phone how the percentage goes down so fast, then, when it reaches 10%, I can play Pocket Legends for another 20 full minutes -.-

Formhault said:
With CurrentWidget, I monitored the battery while charging until it reached 0mA (which means the battery is as full as it can get).
With 4EXT Recovery Controller I removed the batterystats.bin file.
I drained the phone until it shut itself down. Then I charged it (without powering it on) until it was full (LED was green).
I power on the phone... 99% battery.
I plug in the charger... it says 26mA (which means it would reach 0mA as in full charge in another 20-30 minutes).
WHAT THE HELL?!
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The battery doesn't charge to full capacity first time around. When I used to calibrate the battery I would charge until it was drawing 0mA, then reboot; it would be drawing about 26mA, so I'd charge to 0mA again and reboot; it would now be drawing about 15mA, so I'd carry on charging to 0mA, reboot, repeat, repeat and repeat until it eventually continued to draw 0mA after a reboot. Then I'd delete the batterystats.bin file.
As one of Google's engineers says, deleting your battery stats isn't going to improve your battery life. I haven't done any of that for a long time now and I've noticed precisely no difference (except for the extra time I've gained by not having to wait for it to finally charge up to full capacity).

hopscotchjunkie said:
The battery doesn't charge to full capacity first time around. When I used to calibrate the battery I would charge until it was drawing 0mA, then reboot; it would be drawing about 26mA, so I'd charge to 0mA again and reboot; it would now be drawing about 15mA, so I'd carry on charging to 0mA, reboot, repeat, repeat and repeat until it eventually continued to draw 0mA after a reboot. Then I'd delete the batterystats.bin file.
As one of Google's engineers says, deleting your battery stats isn't going to improve your battery life. I haven't done any of that for a long time now and I've noticed precisely no difference (except for the extra time I've gained by not having to wait for it to finally charge up to full capacity).
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I know about Google's statement.
The battery would drain fast, then, when it reaches 1% or 5%, you would be able to use your phone like it had 30%. Just that it shows the values wrong. Calibrating the battery should fix that...
Anyway... I'm not going to struggle any further.

I'll tell what I've done;
- I have installed Battery Balibration app and CurrentWidget,
- Waited battery charging till reached 0ma,
- Removed battery stats and restarted,
- Then waited to drain battery and shut-down itself,
- I connected USB charger to PC and TURN ON THE PHONE !!
- Again waited battery to reach 0 ma,
- Then plugged off and monitored that current widget shows the range btw 3-10 !!
I don't know exactly if it helps but, maybe you should turn on your DHD while carging..
For further instructions you may qant to check this topic;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226016
Formhault said:
So, I am using MIUI 2.1.12 with LorDModUE 8.6 CFS 2WCR kernel.
I have installed 4EXT Recovery Controller and CurrentWidget.
With CurrentWidget, I monitored the battery while charging until it reached 0mA (which means the battery is as full as it can get).
With 4EXT Recovery Controller I removed the batterystats.bin file.
I drained the phone until it shut itself down. Then I charged it (without powering it on) until it was full (LED was green).
I power on the phone... 99% battery.
I plug in the charger... it says 26mA (which means it would reach 0mA as in full charge in another 20-30 minutes).
WHAT THE HELL?!
This never happened while I was using the default CM kernel included in MIUI. Only happened with Tiamat and LordMod.
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Seriously, guys, what is the best way to calibrate the battery?! Perhaps I should not have let it shut itself down, but plug the charger when the phone was at 1% (which lasted for another 20-30 minutes, by the way)?!
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Theres a better alternative, use the battery calibration app in the market
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&hl=en
It's always worked a charm for me.

knp3385 said:
Theres a better alternative, use the battery calibration app in the market
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&hl=en
It's always worked a charm for me.
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Right, with Battery Calibration i have solved my problem with battery, now i can use all day without charging.

Sorry if my question is a silly one...
what's the point in calibrating your battery? I mean... except for the stats (and I guess, the percentage in the bar), do you improve your battery life by calibrating it?

Duwie_80 said:
Sorry if my question is a silly one...
what's the point in calibrating your battery? I mean... except for the stats (and I guess, the percentage in the bar), do you improve your battery life by calibrating it?
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Some says it's irrelevant, calibrating it's just an illusion
But did calibrate my battery and my battery life is improved too terrific !!

Duwie_80 said:
Sorry if my question is a silly one...
what's the point in calibrating your battery? I mean... except for the stats (and I guess, the percentage in the bar), do you improve your battery life by calibrating it?
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fremce said:
Some says it's irrelevant, calibrating it's just an illusion
But did calibrate my battery and my battery life is improved too terrific !!
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I don't really know. It would be silly for the Android system to display the battery percentage (up there, in the status bar) by reading the batterystats.bin.
My phone's battery level drops somewhat fast, then, when it would reach 30% or so, it doesn't drop as fast. Also, at times, when I reach 10%, 5% or even 1%, I am still able to play an intensive game like Pocket Legends for an extended ammount of time (30 minutes, for example). Pocket Legends is CPU/GPU intensive and it also requires an active Internet connection, so I'd say it's pretty power hungry.
I don't really get the entire purpose of calibration. I have done it and I can't seem to notice any difference.
I'm going to do it again, now, because I switched to a Sense ROM (RunnyDrOiD). I'll monitor the battery with Battery Monitor Pro. When it reaches +0mA, I'll reboot and so forth so forth until it's drawing 0mA, although I doubt I'll resist that much time, so I'll just delete the batterystats.bin after a few reboots, when it reachs 0mA.

fremce said:
Some says it's irrelevant, calibrating it's just an illusion
But did calibrate my battery and my battery life is improved too terrific !!
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If everybody knew the meaning of the word "calibration" then nobody would talk such nonsense.
Calibration improves the accuracy of the percentage shown!
The illusion is that you improve your battery life with it....

Dlog said:
If everybody knew the meaning of the word "calibration" then nobody would talk such nonsense.
Calibration improves the accuracy of the percentage shown!
The illusion is that you improve your battery life with it....
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As I said... calibrating the battery may fix the "problem" where once you reach 1% / 5% you can use your phone like it still had ~20%.

I'm gone test it too...

Hi there people, I didn't find any battery thread similar to what I'm going to say so I'll spam a little bit
I've just found as I was fooling around this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PowerSki...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item20c1a1c8ad
It suppose to be a silicon case with a battery build in(1500mah ..not bad), I don't know the dimensions but I just someone might think it as a solution to our 1230mah small battery(with this you have a total of 1730mah which is plenty)
P.S. To mods.. feel free to delete my post, I just wanted to inform the people about a solution that might be handy

evronetwork said:
Hi there people, I didn't find any battery thread similar to what I'm going to say so I'll spam a little bit
I've just found as I was fooling around this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PowerSki...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item20c1a1c8ad
It suppose to be a silicon case with a battery build in(1500mah ..not bad), I don't know the dimensions but I just someone might think it as a solution to our 1230mah small battery(with this you have a total of 1730mah which is plenty)
P.S. To mods.. feel free to delete my post, I just wanted to inform the people about a solution that might be handy
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https://www.google.com/search?q=xda+powerskin+desire+hd
first link....