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I hate you Samsung.

So they say the Galaxy S will sell 10,000,000 units be the end of this year. Let's just say they make $100 profit on each unit sold. That's what? $1,000,000,000. Now you're telling me that you can't even provide me with a simple update. I'll tell you what if I could afford to take this phone and shove it some Samsung exec you know where I would. I would love to blame it on Sprint but I can't because no other carrier in the U.S. has it either. This is the first and last Samsung product I buy mobile phone or otherwise. I am done......
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I lol'd
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Ya same sentiment here guy. I was going to get my wife an Epic come feb when her upgrade is available but instead I'm getting her a EVO Shift 4G (she wants a keyboard) because I'm pretty sure that even if it comes with 2.2.1 it'll get upgraded to gingerbread before I ever get official 2.2.1 =D

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Elite11b said:
So they say the Galaxy S will sell 10,000,000 units be the end of this year. Let's just say they make $100 profit on each unit sold. That's what? $1,000,000,000. Now you're telling me that you can't even provide me with a simple update. I'll tell you what if I could afford to take this phone and shove it some Samsung exec you know where I would. I would love to blame it on Sprint but I can't because no other carrier in the U.S. has it either. This is the first and last Samsung product I buy mobile phone or otherwise. I am done......
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Blame it on Sprint..why you ask? Froyo is everywhere in international markets and not in US because ALL the US carriers are slow...yes ALL of them...the international community always:
1) gets new phones before us
2) gets updates before us
Just cause 1 turtle is generally faster then the other turtles does not change the fact that the rabbits already passed the goal ages ago...
In reality if people were to flame sprint enough and not Samsung..Sprint could easily force samsung to update a phone even if samsung didn't want to...why don't they? cause sprint doesn't care enough and ppl blame samsung anyways so what do they care?

gTen said:
Blame it on Sprint..why you ask? Froyo is everywhere in international markets and not in US because ALL the US carriers are slow...yes ALL of them...the international community always:
1) gets new phones before us
2) gets updates before us
Just cause 1 turtle is generally faster then the other turtles does not change the fact that the rabbits already passed the goal ages ago...
In reality if people were to flame sprint enough and not Samsung..Sprint could easily force samsung to update a phone even if samsung didn't want to...why don't they? cause sprint doesn't care enough and ppl blame samsung anyways so what do they care?
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Canada, the UK and Australia just started updating in the last two weeks so it is not just in the U.S. that the release was slow. It is not clear who's fault it is but I blame both. If nothing else, blame Sprint for not communicating better and for not getting a better contract with Samsung for updates after the screw up with updates for the Moment and blame Samsung because even when they started to roll out an update in Canada, it started bricking phones and had to be pulled. 7 months after Google released 2.2, Samsung should be able to put out nearly perfect updates.

raylusk said:
Canada, the UK and Australia just started updating in the last two weeks so it is not just in the U.S. that the release was slow. It is not clear who's fault it is but I blame both. If nothing else, blame Sprint for not communicating better and for not getting a better contract with Samsung for updates after the screw up with updates for the Moment and blame Samsung because even when they started to roll out an update in Canada, it started bricking phones and had to be pulled. 7 months after Google released 2.2, Samsung should be able to put out nearly perfect updates.
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While the bricking is Samsung's fault it is not uncommon...HTC had quite a few bricks on the EVO and they pulled the upgrade...when they tested it theirs did not brick so they assumed it was fine and deployed it...once issues arose they pulled it..came back a week later with everything fixed...
Either way..can you explain how UK, Canada and Australia were able to do it by end of year and sprint couldn't?

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Canada, the UK and Australia just started updating in the last two weeks so it is not just in the U.S. that the release was slow. It is not clear who's fault it is but I blame both. If nothing else, blame Sprint for not communicating better and for not getting a better contract with Samsung for updates after the screw up with updates for the Moment and blame Samsung because even when they started to roll out an update in Canada, it started bricking phones and had to be pulled. 7 months after Google released 2.2, Samsung should be able to put out nearly perfect updates.
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It's ****ing Samsung! They will never have a near perfect release... they have short school bus employees. I ****ing will never buy anything Samsung again... also hope their kids die in a ****ing road accident and then the remains get eaten by coyotes, so they can't even have an open casket funeral.
But then again, that's just me.

I was looking at the shift also, then I saw the speculated off contract price. 50 bucks more than the epic but it's hardware isn't as "good" as the epic. One of the sites I was reading said their opinion was sprint waited on this phone too long and it's specs are mediocre. Pay 550 for a midrange phone? I bet 4g is the only reason the price is jacked up on this one. My opinion, that phone isn't worth how much they might sell it for. Way overpriced!
All my luck, I'd buy another evo and a month later sprint would have another top end phone to replace the evo. Oh yeah, if they have 2.1 on the shift, then that's another excuse for it to be a waste of my time. Notice how some of the names for these phones are just so easy to make fun of? Epic fail, htc shift (minus the f).

herbthehammer said:
I was looking at the shift also, then I saw the speculated off contract price. 50 bucks more than the epic but it's hardware isn't as "good" as the epic. One of the sites I was reading said their opinion was sprint waited on this phone too long and it's specs are mediocre. Pay 550 for a midrange phone? I bet 4g is the only reason the price is jacked up on this one. My opinion, that phone isn't worth how much they might sell it for. Way overpriced!
All my luck, I'd buy another evo and a month later sprint would have another top end phone to replace the evo. Oh yeah, if they have 2.1 on the shift, then that's another excuse for it to be a waste of my time. Notice how some of the names for these phones are just so easy to make fun of? Epic fail, htc shift (minus the f).
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Well actually the Shift's specs are on par with an EVO..mayeb even slightly better due to the generation 2 snapdragon..but I do agree that its a mid range phone these days (like the EVO lol)

gTen said:
While the bricking is Samsung's fault it is not uncommon...HTC had quite a few bricks on the EVO and they pulled the upgrade...when they tested it theirs did not brick so they assumed it was fine and deployed it...once issues arose they pulled it..came back a week later with everything fixed...
Either way..can you explain how UK, Canada and Australia were able to do it by end of year and sprint couldn't?
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Yeah but big difference. Htc released the update just over 2 months after froyo was released. Samsung released the Canadian update 7 months after froyo and they still couldn't get it right.
Samsung also said that they released froyo to the UK carriers in Oct. And expected it to be released to consumers in early November. It didn't get released until mid December. Sounds to me like maybe their was a big flaw and it had to go back to samsung.
There is no way to know for sure who is at fault but I am going to blame both. I think the manufactures and carriers work together on these updates and they both have to share responsibility for the success or failure of their efforts.
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raylusk said:
Yeah but big difference. Htc released the update just over 2 months after froyo was released. Samsung released the Canadian update 7 months after froyo and they still couldn't get it right.
Samsung also said that they released froyo to the UK carriers in Oct. And expected it to be released to consumers in early November. It didn't get released until mid December. Sounds to me like maybe their was a big flaw and it had to go back to samsung.
There is no way to know for sure who is at fault but I am going to blame both. I think the manufactures and carriers work together on these updates and they both have to share responsibility for the success or failure of their efforts.
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But see the reason why the EVO was updated so fast was due to pressure from Sprint to be the first one...so while they both hold responsibility..putting pressure on sprint is 10x more effective then putting pressure on samsung...
see notice most people who give up respond by saying:
"thats it im not buying another samsung device ever again"
but no one is saying
"thats it im not buying another sprint device again"
Now true that other carriers didn't release upgrades either for their Galaxy S phones...but at same time..Sprint doesn't care if you buy an HTC, EVO or Samsung as long as your paying their monthly bill...
I just think the carriers need to be put under more pressure...lets take the moment for example...they said it doesn't have hardware for froyo..which is a lie because its 95% same hardware as Intercept and Transform...people complained to samsung to no evail..if people complained and blamed sprint...you'd see Froyo out the door in no time for the Moment...
In US carriers are king, and they are the ones that need to be pressured to get things done..

Meh, just do the ext4 conversion, and download the latest quantum rom. It's stable, fast, and overall just great. After you do this, you'll stop complaining about an update. I'm perfectly happy as it is, and in absolutely no rush.
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Some people are in it for the principle. I want more support on my device that I shed so much money about because supposely it is the best. The device sounds good on paper, trying to view online stuff without flash sucks.
Samsung and sprint sucks!

bondosho said:
Meh, just do the ext4 conversion, and download the latest quantum rom. It's stable, fast, and overall just great. After you do this, you'll stop complaining about an update. I'm perfectly happy as it is, and in absolutely no rush.
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The thing is, the devs really need the source code for the froyo kernels if they are going to do anything with it.

LOL I got banned from #samsung-epic for voicing these same feelings. It's a shame. I should have did a bit more studying before I took the plunge. Whenever I get my next phone it will probably be an HTC device.

sauron0101 said:
The thing is, the devs really need the source code for the froyo kernels if they are going to do anything with it.
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Oh I see. So peple sign up to XDA just to *****? All this time I thought it was to root your device, and try out all the customization available. Guess I'll unregister .
/sarcasm
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Im so glad i got the balls enough to flash a custom rom. I can enjoy everything and it runs smooth on Viper Heaven Rom. Samsung can eat a fat babys balls 4reeal. Id rather support these developers froyo than the across the water clowns samsung.
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gTen said:
Blame it on Sprint..why you ask? Froyo is everywhere in international markets and not in US because ALL the US carriers are slow...yes ALL of them...the international community always:
1) gets new phones before us
2) gets updates before us
Just cause 1 turtle is generally faster then the other turtles does not change the fact that the rabbits already passed the goal ages ago...
In reality if people were to flame sprint enough and not Samsung..Sprint could easily force samsung to update a phone even if samsung didn't want to...why don't they? cause sprint doesn't care enough and ppl blame samsung anyways so what do they care?
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Do you know why? Because us Americans are a bunch of whiny *****es who go into cardiac arrest when we find out that we have to pay more than $19.99 for a cell phone, need our hands constantly held and for whatever reason, expect that phone companies owe us the world. Ooh, also because for whatever reason phone companies refuse to implement bunch of features that GSM and CDMA networks support. Why can't I have two lines on a single SIM card like I had in Europe? I'm taking to you AT&T and T-Mobile. Why are we just now getting features that Japanese and Korean networks had years ago? Simply, there is no market for advanced phones here.
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Frankly I don't care who's fault it is. Both Companies profit off of users buying/owning an Epic, therefore both should bust ass and get the update out. If I received this type of service at a restraunt... forget about it.
I talked to the Denver District Sprint Store Manager today nd he said he talked to his boss and got the reason the epic wasn't getting an update yet... Sprint ID. There are apparently integration issues, then it was removed, added, removed, yada yada. Apparently Froyo for Epic was ready to be released ota on the 26th but when push came to shove the sprint ID was having issues, so the update was pulled.
Not sure how true this is... but so help me if Sprint ID is the holdup... I don't want that **** on my phone anyway..
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interesting reading on 2.2 and samsung

http://m.examiner.com/exSanFrancisco/pm_75809/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=WzckuLg6
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I can accept that story or some other form it. I mean, it is out in Europe and has been for some time. And they have been dropping new phones with 2.2 for a while now. Why wouldn't these A-holes release it in the States. Can't imagine they have been testing the firmware for the past 7 months.

I have the epic and our update got delayed too. I knew it had something to do some bs like this but why would they delay the epic update because it already has sprint 4g in it. They could be upgrading their wimax to lte or coming out with the bidder screen model with the super amoled plus screen and they will launch that with froyo and leave ours in the dust. I guess we will find out on the 3rd of feb at sprints special event
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I thought maybe Samsung was going to just skip 2.2 and release a 2.3 update because Samsung is already running 2.3 on their Nexus S.
I was actually going to buy an Epic tomorrow.
But, if this article is true, I am going to "devalue" Samsung and not buy their product.
[email protected] them if they are making existing customers suffer because of their greed.

Honestly, this is probably true. I know this sucks, but companies like this value their earnings more than their customers. Those of us who have been eagerly awaiting Froyo are in the minority, and they know that most of the people who own these devices couldn't care less about it.
This will probably be the last Samsung phone that I will ever buy, I'd rather give my money to a company which values their customers and provides customers with timely information regarding updates and the like.

This reminds me of the initial warnings about previous samsung devices and the lack of updates when the epic first came out. Although this is the best sprint phone I have owned to date I still wonder if I should have taken those warnings a little more seriously!

Yes I heard complaints in the past about Samsung's poor phone support but I still got the Epic. Mostly because my old phone (HTC Touch) died and it was going to cost $100 for a replacement (thanks lame Sprint insurance). So I just decided to get a new phone and compared to the Evo, the Epic seemed like the much better option. After experiencing Samsung's greed and lack of support for their existing products, I'm going back to HTC next go round.

Let's kill!

Agree. This most likely would've been the last Samsung phone I bought. This pretty much seals the deal.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.

HeXeD said:
For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
JD

As Lee Corso would say, 'not so fast my friend.' Before I scooped my Epic, I had the HTC Touch (the original way old Vogue) and the ppc6700 (the silver brick) before that. I never had any issues with software other than crappy windows mobile but when it came to updates and/or support, I was happy. Hardware was on point as well. Samsung Galaxy has been a major disappointment for me having owner various Samsung products and knowing that their hardware is excellent. Still think the Epic is terrific. Just disappointed at all the troubles that customers have experienced across the entire Galaxy lineup.
JudasD said:
I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
JD
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This page has more detailed information on the T-Mobile leaked rumor:
...Trust me when I tell you, we had an update for the original G1, and HTC begged us not to. In 75% of the cases known to me in my [time] here and my [time] dealing with Android I will say that honestly most upgrade hold offs were the Manufacturer and NOT us as some believe. But we catch the flack.
I am tired. [redacted] I am up to here with Samsung. They pulled the same thing with the Behold 2 that I MYSELF had to clean up and caught wind over. The update to 2.1 update 1 is existant...
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If true, this shows how completely and utterly out of touch Samsung's executives are with reality.
First of all, the whole theory that a 2.2-Vibrant(non-4G) would "devalue" the 4G. EVEN IF the only difference between the old and new Vibrant were the front camera and 4G, how many users likely to notice or care about whether or not the current Vibrant has 2.2 would *honestly* choose to buy the old model instead of the new one, even if it were a $50 difference between the two? People who buy $50 phones or wait months to get an old model on closeout for "free" with 2-year contract aren't the people who buy phones like the Epic, Vibrant, and the rest of the Galaxy S family. People in "our" category might ******* about a $50 difference... but we'll pay it anyway, because we know that if we don't, we'll be miserable and regret it daily for the next year or two.
Ditto, for customers who already own a Vibrant. In the entire United f***ing States, there *might* be 10,000 Vibrant owners who'll dump one and buy a Vibrant4G at full retail just to get 4G and/or the front camera. And I'll bet that a hefty subset of that group are T-Mobile employees whose "full" cost (after employee discount) is roughly what the rest of us would pay for a subsidized phone with contract, anyway. Now, having satisfied that group... how many more existing Vibrant customers do they REALLY think they're going to get by withholding 2.2 from owners of older Vibrants? Especially considering the abundance of custom ROMs.
The rationale becomes even more absurd when you consider the case of withholding 2.2 from Epic4G owners. I'm sure if you combed America hard enough, you might find a few Epic4G owners who'd dump it, pay the ETF to Sprint, switch to T-Mobile, and buy a Vibrant4G... but scratch a bit deeper, and I'd bet a major body part that the overwhelming majority of THAT group consists of users who probably wanted to switch anyway, and the existence of the Vibrant4G was more of an enabling excuse and rationale than an actual *reason*.
Companies like Samsung just don't seem to "get it". Consumers might chuck a $25 mp3 player to buy a newer, cooler one in 4 months. Statistically NOBODY chucks an expensive pocket computer whose marginal replacement cost exceeds $400 for an incremental improvement 4-6 months down the line. The closest ANY phone has probably come to motivating early switching was the Evo, and that was basically because the Evo was roughly twice as good as the Hero in almost every meaningful way, and worse in basically none. Users MIGHT be induced to switch early for 10x faster data, twice the cpu speed, 50% more resolution on a screen nearly twice the size, and a lot more ram. Users are NOT going to casually switch because one has 2.2 and one is officially stuck at 2.1... they're just going to root, reflash, and promise their deity of choice that they'll never buy another Samsung phone again.
If anything, T-Mobile is the biggest loser, because if true, this means that Samsung is effectively doing its best to devalue T-Mobile's inventory of existing unsold Vibrants. Now, if T-Mobile charges $10/month more for 4G service, that might merit trying harder to induce otherwise-indifferent new purchasers to go with the 4G model instead of the old model... but if it's the same price per month for service, it's to T-Mobile's own advantage to all but encourage new customers who are indifferent between the two to go with the old one... it's one less phone for T-Mobile to write off as a loss and send to a spare parts warehouse to gather dust until it ends up in a landfill or gets dumped on a new penny-pinching customer who only cares that it's "free" with 2-year contract, and one fewer customer who'll start abusing youtube as a source of free in-car music on demand (soaking up lots of bandwidth in the process).
This is the kind of logic that leaves me wondering how some big corporations can even stay in business. I worked for one a couple of years ago where we were ordered to *immediately* dispose of a hundred or so old laptops -- at a cost of $250 apiece -- instead of keeping them piled on a few shelves in a storage room in case we came up with a good use for them someday (like using them as thin clients for call center operators... something we had, in fact, done before). The executive rationale? The accountants complained that they were "costing" us $5,000/month to store based on the square-foot value of the space they were taking up in the closet, and somebody's wet dream fantasies about the value of that space. The thing is, we were about ~15 employees in a warehouse-like facility almost a square city block in size that was 95% empty (built during the dotcom boom, then the company was stuck with it due to a glut of similar buildings nearby). So, we burned $25,000 in the name of emptying off a 4x6 foot steel shelving unit, basically to humor the delusional fantasies of a faceless borg more concerned with a checklist item than getting actual work done and bringing in revenue. Madness. Pure, faceless, bureaucratically-driven out of control insanity.

HeXeD said:
For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I agree with you and I really love my Epic BUT.... I can't help wondering how much better the phone would be with the upgrade.
Also Im sure this has been posted but this is an interesting read rating carriers and manufacturers on their upgrade rate.

looks to be true. This is on the front page of yahoo news.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html

Also made it to Slashdot!
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2334213/Is-Samsung-Blocking-Updates-To-Froyo
And PC World:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html
I have a feeling some people at Samsung are having a very bad day indeed.

Nexus S reboot problem:
Google Nexus S, google's second handset is in the limelight for wrong reasons this time. Looks like, the nexus S handsets are randomly rebooting atleast once every 48 hours, usually during a voice call! Google has officially confirmed this bug in their support forum. All the handsets that has been updated to the latest version of gingerbread (Android 2.3.1/GRH78) are affected by this bug.
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User's post from Slashdot story:
The real reason they are stonewalling on the 2.2 update for Vibrant is this: When they released the 2.2 update for the Vibrant in Canada, the update worked fine for a week or two, and then like clockwork bricked a huge percentage of the phones that updated. And when I say bricked, I'm not being liberal with that word, after a week or so running the Samsung 2.2 update, the SD card would become corrupt, and recovery mode would be unable to format it. My wife and I both have Vibrants, and it happened to them both one day apart. Samsung has been silent on the matter. Not surprising they'd avoid moving sending the 2.2 update out to US Vibrant owners, and also not surprising that they're refusing to explain why. Bell at least is fixing them, but lots of people on the XDA forum are saying their "repaired" phones are bricking again in short order.
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Samsung's official response to CNET's query about the rumor:
Samsung Mobile does not comment on rumors or speculation. With regard to the Froyo update, we recently issued the following statement: "Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing and are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners, including the Samsung Vibrant, as soon as possible.
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Just to add to this conversation --> Just got off a chat with Sprint and I kept asking them about Froyo for the Epic. Everytime I mentioned it, the Sprint rep would direct me to Samsung and it's their fault. I think they got mad that I kept asking and pushing the subject, that they said they could no longer help me on the chat and gave me Samsung's number to call.
Looking at Samsung's facebook account, there a bunch of people complaining about this issue. Hopefully all this pressure will make Samsung cave in. *crosses fingers*

I call bull****.
Having come from the Crackberry world, this sort of stuff happens all the time. A supposed "reliable source" will leak some sort of story, the fringe enthusiast sites get wind of it and generates chatter and it eventually gets picked up by a naive journalist with a lazy editor and it gets put up as "legit" news which then causes a feedback loop which causes the internet to explore.
The example that comes to mind is the OS 4.7.0.113 update for the Blackberry Storm 9530 on Verizon, a leaked OS that "reliable sources" claimed was going to be the next official update but wasn't. It made it to PC World as well:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/163056/blackberry_storm_to_get_firmware_update.html
And it was 100% bull****. So I wouldn't give this rumor much credence.
The explanation of not wanting to take the wind out of the sails of the Vibrant 4G is irrelevant to other Galaxy S models where there is no similar Osbourne effect - such as with the Epic 4G.
My guess is that the actual explanation is much more mundane. Given the problem with Froyo bricking Vibrants, I would bet dollars to donuts that Samsung got super gunshy and their slow approach to Froyo updates to smaller markets is nothing more than a widespread, low-risk beta test to make sure their code is up to snuff before risking releasing an unstable update to the larger, litigious American Galaxy S userbases.

AT&T - Atrix at "end of life"

Interesting post from the Moto forums today. This makes perfect sense given the way AT&T has been going the last few months:
"posted 3:08 PM by billsite34
I was at an ATT store this morning inquiring about a laptop dock for my Atrix. They couldn't find it on their website(discontiued), then they said that the original Atrix was at "end of life" as far as ATT was concerned. I take this to mean that ATT will no longer support the Atrix and not push for ICS from Motorola for it!"
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/ae343df67e?post=ae343df67e&start=301

ugh. F motorola.
next phone won't be a motorola. sadly. don't much like any of the other phones.

Sadly I will probably go with a Samsung. If I were to get one tomorrow, it would be the Skyrocket (there's LTE here).

Yeah, I would go back to samsung (skyrocket) I had a captivate before the ATRIX.
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And just because Att will not carry it anymore you think it's the end of the Atrix?
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Eh, get used to it. Buy whatever is the best phone at the time and understand that it will be completely outdated in 6 months.
Oh, and don't buy the hype that the ATT store salesmen sell. Some of them are a little dense.

stewartsoda said:
Eh, get used to it. Buy whatever is the best phone at the time and understand that it will be completely outdated in 6 months.
Oh, and don't buy the hype that the ATT store salesmen sell. Some of them are a little dense.
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Couldn't agree more. I have a close friend who works at a corporate store and all he says is that they are told to push IPHONEs. I tell him Fkuc you my friend, and then we have drinks.

phro321 said:
Couldn't agree more. I have a close friend who works at a corporate store and all he says is that they are told to push IPHONEs. I tell him Fkuc you my friend, and then we have drinks.
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your friend better be picking up that tab...!
(for being a douche).

stewartsoda said:
Eh, get used to it. Buy whatever is the best phone at the time and understand that it will be completely outdated in 6 months.
Oh, and don't buy the hype that the ATT store salesmen sell. Some of them are a little dense.
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Its one thing for a carrier to stop selling a phone after that, but if the phone is only supported by the manufacture for 6 months, there is a serious issue. Especially given that a bar has been set for about 2 years by both Apple and Google on Nexus devices, and that 2 years is the length of the average US contract.
I think this is being read into wrong though. AT&T most likely is just no longer selling the OG model, not Motorola discontinuing support.

I have not given up on ICS yet, but I think it is unlikely to come to the Atrix 4G. I realized that when I recognized the Atrix 2 was a cost reduced version of the 4G. My theory is that MOTO marketing f'd up big time when they over priced the Atrix and accessories. The Atrix 2 was doomed because the Atrix name was damaged beyond reclamation.
I don't see any new phone presently available that is significantly better and some worse. Posts like the one that started this thread hasten the day when I say, "enough already" and install cm7/9.
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Following up on myself, I don't understand why Moto won't just say what their plans for the Atrix 4G and ICS are and take the heat and get it over with.
The guys who run the forum at moto remind me of the man who played piano in a cathouse and always claimed he never knew what was going on up stairs.
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Atrix, dead in a year. 3GS going on 3 years. Makes me sick...

BravoMotorola said:
Atrix, dead in a year. 3GS going on 3 years. Makes me sick...
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I'm a little surprised Atrix is getting dropped cause it was such a big deal when it came out. If Apple makes the iPhone 5 with a bigger screen, I'm getting it. Atleast Apple won't drop support for it. That's one of the reasons Android pisses me off. Stop making 200 different Android phones a month, and concentrate more on updates. You've got phones coming out that people forget about in a month.
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so much for a device demoed and praised at CES..
Time Line:
Q1:
CES Jan 2011: Demonstrated and Praised as one of the best devices at that CES.
Feb/March 2011: Launched
Q3:
GB update
Q4:
Still GB updates
end of Q4:
EOL
im not purchasing any moto devices on older OS anymore..
should have not purchased Froyo atrix while GB was around and shall not purchase GB Razr when ICS is around..
/* Rant mode off
I still do not regret purchase of atrix; thankful to QUALITY of dev support it is receiving. Even pre-Betas for atrix are more stable than final releases of my older devices (captivate and vibrant)
But for a general user who wouldnot think of anything beyond rooting...this is kind of abuse :-/

Guys its not MOTO. ATT has final say on all updates for its phones. Only way around it is the Icrap and A Nexus.
Once Google slows the OS updates down to once maybe twice a year like they plan it will be less of a prob
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zelendel said:
Guys its not MOTO. ATT has final say on all updates for its phones. Only way around it is the Icrap and A Nexus.
Once Google slows the OS updates down to once maybe twice a year like they plan it will be less of a prob
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ATT is not the only vendor but looking at the update history so far, it would be too late to expect ICS for atrix considering delay in GB update.

I believe the statement this guy posted is true regarding the Atrix 4G and AT&T. If you look on the AT&T website you cannot buy the laptop dock anymore on either the regular store or the premier store. AT&T previously told me that when an item is removed from there instead of being marked "out of stock", it's gone for good. AT&T is selling off Atrix accessories, and I do believe they are done with the Atrix. Will they still sell it?...............sure, until the stock is depleted.............will it still be around for a long time?.............sure............the refurbs will be going round and round for years to come.
What is perturbing is that this phone lasted a measly 6 months or so, as was already stated. Nobody disputes that phones come and go, new models are released, etc.............what is messed up is that people who purchased "the most powerful cell phone on the planet" were lied to about the specs by both AT&T and Moto, one case in point being 1080p recording which we never got, and have suffered lack luster support from both entities.
I love my Atrix, and will keep it as long as devs are putting out new ROM's, etc., but I am up for an upgrade again in less than 2 months, and will look for something with more support. Unfortunately I am stuck with AT&T for the time being because I have a family plan with 5 phones on it, and who would pay early termination on 5 phones?

This is my 4th Android phone. Like someone else said, 3gs was supported for least 3 years. I think I want to try an apple phone next. We shouldn't have to rely on outside people/unofficial support for the next version of Android.
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This is my 4th Android phone. Like someone else said, 3gs was supported for least 3 years. I think I want to try an apple phone next. We shouldn't have to rely on outside people/unofficial support for the next version of Android.
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With all the law suits apple is winning, they will have the only phones anyways. Haha
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The reason they push a new product every 6 months or so is reflected on the attitudes of most android forums; never satisfied, always desiring something more from their devices. People make lateral device changes (Atrix to Moto RAZR for example) instead of upgrades because there is some level of constant dissatisfaction with their Android device. Companies such as motorola are catering to this, and making tons of money in the process. Why bother support a device for multiple years when people are willing to shell out gobs of cash for Android's 'flavor of the week'? It makes more money for the company and the carrier.
You have to remember that the carrier not the device manufacturer decides what phones make it to market. Apple was wise to keep their warranty and product support in-house, and their quality and support reflects as much. Other phone manufacturers are bent over the carriers' knee. The carrier dictates how long the phone is supported, what accessories are available, and how software updates get pushed. Apple was wise to circumvent all this BS, and look how many iPhone accessories there are in every store, how Apple pushes software updates via their own program, ultimately you get an overall better product that is supported for much longer, while still maintaining profitability.
I love Android as a product, but what an abysmal business model for an open source-based OS. The only thing that keeps me going on Android are the occasional product gems such as the Atrix and the unofficial support provided from devs around the world.
Lets face it, Android owners still look to Apple as the golden standard.

Galaxy S2 SIM-free owners last to get ICS, Samsung UK admits

Samsung Galaxy S2 owners who bought their device SIM-free are at the back of the UK Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade queue, Samsung has confirmed to CNET UK.
And the reason you've been kept waiting? It's because Samsung is waiting for some mobile networks to finish testing the update, so it can be sure the software will work whatever network you're on.
SIM-free S2 owners will get the ICS update "once we've got all of the operator pieces on board", said Simon Stanford, VP of Samsung Telecommunications and Networks for Samsung UK and Ireland, speaking exclusively to CNET UK today.
The upgrade process Samsung has used to push out ICS to S2 owners means SIM-free devices can't be updated until all mobile networks have tested and approved ICS -- and since some operators are still testing and approving the update, some SIM-free S2 owners are still waiting to get Ice Cream Sandwich.
'It's got to work'
"We work in conjunction with our partners to bring ICS to the existing base -- that's primarily what needs to happen, whatever network operator that may be," said Stanford. "In this particular instance, the open market variant [ie SIM-free] you would expect to come out first."
Stanford confirmed, however, SIM-free S2 owners have been left twisting in the wind. "As an open-market customer you will be on a variety of networks, so it's got to work on whichever network you have chosen," he said.
SIM-free S2 owners -- many of whom shelled out extra upfront for an unlocked handset in the hopes of being at the front of the upgrade queue -- have in fact trailed operators such as Three, which was the first operator to release the ICS update. O2 has also now pushed out the ICS update.
"We were working with our operators to make sure that we brought it out to as many people as we can," Stanford added. "Vodafone we're expecting imminently [to release ICS]. Open market will be once we've got all of the operator pieces on board... It'll come at very much the same time."
'We don't want to disadvantage anyone'
Stanford would not confirm exactly how many SIM-free S2 owners have received the ICS update so far, nor give a completion date for the ICS update rollout -- he would only say: "We're really pushing it hard over the next coming weeks."
"It's always very tight, in terms of the testing processes and all the rest of it," he said. "It's not a switch in Korea and then the whole thing just activates every device that is out there... We work very closely with the networks to help them get ICS out.
"Everyone holds their hands up and says, 'Well, we need to do more in these instances.'"
Asked whether consumers would be better off buying a device from a network rather than SIM-free if they want to ensure they get future Android updates promptly, Stanford said: "In this instance [they would have been better off on a network]. Moving forward, I anticipate the upgrades will come a lot faster, at once, with everybody."
He added that it's not Samsung's intention to prioritise SIM-free device buyers in future, rather it wants to level the playing field so everyone gets the update around the same time.
"We don't want to disadvantage anyone, we don't want to say that they have to buy it from anywhere, we want everyone to have the same experience, whether or not it's open-market, network, to us they're exactly the same," he said.
'Communication can be managed better next time'
Stanford conceded that communications is an area where Samsung can make its own improvements. And he apologised to any SIM-free S2 owners who have been disappointed by how long it's taken to get ICS.
"The communication itself can be managed a bit better next time," he said. "It's just an ongoing process piece that we work very closely on to try and make sure we get it absolutely bang on so we apologise to anyone -- we really apologise to anyone -- who has been disappointed by this.
"We're always desperate to get [updates] out as fast as we can, there's no reason for us not to. We don't like to have unhappy customers, it goes against everything that we do. We do take it very seriously. It's communication sometimes we need to work on -- I accept that. That there needs to be perhaps more overall communication with the partners involved as well," he said.
"We are happy now that ICS is rolling out and those people that we've spoken to are very happy with it," Stanford added. "We're always looking for ways to speed it up -- with regards to Galaxy Note... the upgrade on that will be a lot quicker."
Are you still waiting for your SIM-free S2 to be upgraded to ICS? Let us know in the comments, or post your own update over on our Facebook page, and watch my video below to see what you're missing.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/galaxy-s2-sim-free-owners-last-to-get-ics-samsung-admits-50007550/

We're all boned then. Orange can, and do, take months to release any updates, if they can even be bothered! They'll need to make sure that every last stinking piece of their foul bloatware can work on ICS.

Teppic24 said:
We're all boned then. Orange can, and do, take months to release any updates, if they can even be bothered! They'll need to make sure that every last stinking piece of their foul bloatware can work on ICS.
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I have unlcoked phone and i will just keep flashing other country firmwares untill samsung finsh testing it on all these networks

This is a joke in all fairness, however if you're on XDA there's no reason why this should affect your ability to get hold of ICS.
But, for the majority of the population (who aren't on XDA) this is just unforgivable.

Worth waiting for a finished ICS six months down the line . No way will i change to the current half baked versions .
jje

No issues on xlpq with Orange sim on Carphone Warehouse SII
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Network testing haha. Why have other countries got the unbranded update straight away ? But here in the uk we wait for the networks to test. I think uk networks have some sort of deal with samsung or it maybe to do with sgs3. But "waiting for networks to test" jus isnt gna fly cz that a lie.
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This really is a sorry excuse for logic. To really follow it would mean Samsung UK has to wait till ALL cellular carriers around the world confirm the UK SGS2 SIM-Free ICS update works with their networks?!
Otherwise, there *might* be some unfortunate UK SGS2 SIM-Free owner running ICS that encounters problems when he moves to Timbuktu and use his phone with the local cell network!
Samsung UK... YOU SUCK!

Does suck but how many ordinary citizens even know about ice cream sandwich, most people don't have a clue I bet a lot of people are still on the original firmwares that shipped with the phone. My sister wanted to go back to gingerbread as she thinks battery life on ICS sucked even though she got the official O2 update.
So for normal citizens who use a phone without worrying about updates this won't effect them but for us and other geeks and such its bothersome but hey that's why we come here and flash whatever comes our way from other countries regardless if it's final or not or buggy but because we can.
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Unbelievable! Why did I spend 650 dollars!
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Can anyone comment which is the best ICS stock unbranded FW version to use with SpoofFW on SGS2 XEU?
Poland, Russia, Luxemburg, Baltics, Cyprus...? Does it even matter?

cc999 said:
Unbelievable! Why did I spend 650 dollars!
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...because it's an amazing phone, one of the best available

cc999 said:
Unbelievable! Why did I spend 650 dollars!
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You spent the money on great hardware and rock solid gingerbread.
Free software upgrades to a complete new system are a relatively new thing. You can expect / demand updates to GB but to ICS I don't think so.
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Love the why did I spend money comments! And this update is FREE, remember when apple was charging to get the ios 3.0 update? Give it a rest, and if your sooooo adamant on getting ics, there are many available downloads right here on these pages. Otherwise, the 1% of s2 owners on this forum aren't going to make a blip on samsungs radar when the 19,999,000 are happy with there phones.
Relax, be happy, there are worse things going on in the world at the moment.
Have a nice day
Hey, I also sent this from my Galaxy S2 using Tapatalk..

If you look at it another way, Samsung are using everyone else as unpaid beta testers, so us unbranded people get a polished update. (Ok, I bought mine from T-Mobile, but I'm running an unbranded firmware.)
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Teppic24 said:
We're all boned then. Orange can, and do, take months to release any updates, if they can even be bothered! They'll need to make sure that every last stinking piece of their foul bloatware can work on ICS.
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and? Just upgrade your phone now to ICS like I did
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ICS came out last year and 5 months waiting for what?
By the time we get ICS google is gonna release Jelly Bean and we are gonna be excited for a sec and then remember when we actually got ICS and be sad for another year until we get all new phones and same **** happens...
Amazing world we live in

What a load of crap.
Unbranded updates for Galaxy S and SII always came either first or alongside Optus release, here in Australia - Telstra only just released 2.3.6 last month and the rest of the carriers and unbranded was released many months ago.
It just doesn't add up. Track record shows this excuse is a total load of bs.
Why the hell isn't Samsung responsible for testing the carriers? For example Samsung Australia division should be totally responsible for testing the Unbranded version of all 4 carrier networks. These phones are not even sold by the carriers so it's not their responsibility !!
This is so damn lazy of Samsung.

Yeah right. They just dont want the carriers to ***** that others are getting the update before their customers are. Just like how they didnt want to make sure every carriers phone were working ok before selling people this device unlocked and just how they didnt care to update people after 2.3.4. My phone has had problems since then and samsung hasnt cared to update. This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth from samsung. I wanted the S3 but I dont even know if I want to buy a phone they arent going to update.
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Markbaja said:
Love the why did I spend money comments! And this update is FREE, remember when apple was charging to get the ios 3.0 update?
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That never happened. They never charged.
TheReverend210 said:
If you look at it another way, Samsung are using everyone else as unpaid beta testers, so us unbranded people get a polished update. (Ok, I bought mine from T-Mobile, but I'm running an unbranded firmware.)
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Yeah right. Unbranded devices never got updated past 2.3.4 and its been buggy. Anytime I restart my phone the icons move around and I have to move them back. Dont think you a moment you are getting a more polished update. You are getting the same update that has been psoted on here from some random carrier from a country you probably have never heard it. Pathetic Samsung. They even lied to us saying we would have it by the end of Q1.

Samsung UK are crap, exactly the same as when our GS2 was stuck on 2.3.3 and I knew for a fact that newer ones with the same product code were shipping with, or updating to 2.3.4, and all they kept saying was no update was available, just vecause they couldn't be bothered to fix the original HIDSWVER that they'd forgotten to add updates for.
In the end last weekend I flashed the Polish LPS onto it as it kept locking up, seems to be ok now. And the Polish LPS one includes the generic UK (XEU) and generic CPW UK (CPW), csc customisation packs anyway, so no reason at all for Samsung UK to be making up this BS. It even comes with all the UK network APN settings preloaded in it. I've never seen an unbranded update come after branded ones until this mess. Same as O2 on 2.3.6 with Gingerbread, and unbranded on 2.3.4 (or in my case 2.3.3). People buy unbranded to get a clean update, not to wait for all the branded crap to be tested.

Samsung confirm - sim free phone owners get ICS LAST!

We can expect this treatment with the galaxy note for sure...
Samsung Galaxy S2 owners who bought their device SIM-free are at the back of the UK Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade queue, Samsung has confirmed to CNET UK.
And the reason you've been kept waiting? It's because Samsung is waiting for some mobile networks to finish testing the update, so it can be sure the software will work whatever network you're on.
SIM-free S2 owners will get the ICS update "once we've got all of the operator pieces on board", said Simon Stanford, VP of Samsung Telecommunications and Networks for Samsung UK and Ireland, speaking exclusively to CNET UK today.
The upgrade process Samsung has used to push out ICS to S2 owners means SIM-free devices can't be updated until all mobile networks have tested and approved ICS -- and since some operators are still testing and approving the update, some SIM-free S2 owners are still waiting to get Ice Cream Sandwich.
'It's got to work'
"We work in conjunction with our partners to bring ICS to the existing base -- that's primarily what needs to happen, whatever network operator that may be," said Stanford. "In this particular instance, the open market variant [ie SIM-free] you would expect to come out first."
Stanford confirmed, however, SIM-free S2 owners have been left twisting in the wind. "As an open-market customer you will be on a variety of networks, so it's got to work on whichever network you have chosen," he said.
SIM-free S2 owners -- many of whom shelled out extra upfront for an unlocked handset in the hopes of being at the front of the upgrade queue -- have in fact trailed operators such as Three, which was the first operator to release the ICS update. O2 has also now pushed out the ICS update.
"We were working with our operators to make sure that we brought it out to as many people as we can," Stanford added. "Vodafone we're expecting imminently [to release ICS]. Open market will be once we've got all of the operator pieces on board... It'll come at very much the same time."
'We don't want to disadvantage anyone'
Stanford would not confirm exactly how many SIM-free S2 owners have received the ICS update so far, nor give a completion date for the ICS update rollout -- he would only say: "We're really pushing it hard over the next coming weeks."
"It's always very tight, in terms of the testing processes and all the rest of it," he said. "It's not a switch in Korea and then the whole thing just activates every device that is out there... We work very closely with the networks to help them get ICS out.
"Everyone holds their hands up and says, 'Well, we need to do more in these instances.'"
Asked whether consumers would be better off buying a device from a network rather than SIM-free if they want to ensure they get future Android updates promptly, Stanford said: "In this instance [they would have been better off on a network]. Moving forward, I anticipate the upgrades will come a lot faster, at once, with everybody."
He added that it's not Samsung's intention to prioritise SIM-free device buyers in future, rather it wants to level the playing field so everyone gets the update around the same time.
"We don't want to disadvantage anyone, we don't want to say that they have to buy it from anywhere, we want everyone to have the same experience, whether or not it's open-market, network, to us they're exactly the same," he said.
'Communication can be managed better next time'
Stanford conceded that communications is an area where Samsung can make its own improvements. And he apologised to any SIM-free S2 owners who have been disappointed by how long it's taken to get ICS.
"The communication itself can be managed a bit better next time," he said. "It's just an ongoing process piece that we work very closely on to try and make sure we get it absolutely bang on so we apologise to anyone -- we really apologise to anyone -- who has been disappointed by this.
"We're always desperate to get [updates] out as fast as we can, there's no reason for us not to. We don't like to have unhappy customers, it goes against everything that we do. We do take it very seriously. It's communication sometimes we need to work on -- I accept that. That there needs to be perhaps more overall communication with the partners involved as well," he said.
"We are happy now that ICS is rolling out and those people that we've spoken to are very happy with it," Stanford added. "We're always looking for ways to speed it up -- with regards to Galaxy Note... the upgrade on that will be a lot quicker."
Guys, do you believe them?
I don't!
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Doesn't matter. We just need the update file and we can upgrade our phones ourselves using CWM, Odin, or whatever. I'm definitely on an unlocked International Note in the USA, so if whatever country comes out with official ICS first, most definitely our devs will get it to us quickly.
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adelmundo said:
Doesn't matter. We just need the update file and we can upgrade our phones ourselves using CWM, Odin, or whatever. I'm definitely on an unlocked International Note in the USA, so if whatever country comes out with official ICS first, most definitely our devs will get it to us quickly.
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If I've learned anything with android
When you buy a phone you better like the software version that's on it when you open the box..
It basically sounds like he is saying "We want to release as close to the same time so we will hold back sim free users till carries get done testing"
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numbnutsuk said:
He added that it's not Samsung's intention to prioritise SIM-free device buyers in future, rather it wants to level the playing field so everyone gets the update around the same time.
"We don't want to disadvantage anyone, we don't want to say that they have to buy it from anywhere, we want everyone to have the same experience, whether or not it's open-market, network, to us they're exactly the same," he said.
'Communication can be managed better next time'
Stanford conceded that communications is an area where Samsung can make its own improvements. And he apologised to any SIM-free S2 owners who have
"We are happy now that ICS is rolling out and those people that we've spoken to are very happy with it," Stanford added. "We're always looking for ways to speed it up -- with regards to Galaxy Note... the upgrade on that will be a lot quicker."
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I don't!
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Yes, I believe them.
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It makes a lot of sense.
Samsung dont roll out the new OS, the network operators do and they will only do that when they're ready to support the new OS.
Imagine the chaos and how pissed off the telco's would be if the hardware manufacturers rolled out software updates willy nilly and the telco's started to get flooded with support calls for issues created by a patch they didn't know about or hadn't trained their staff to deal with.
It doesnt worry me at all... once the first Telco releases an official ICS update I'm likely to get it and install it.
Regardless of which telco it was (actually I'd probably not install a Chinese or Saudi etc ROM... I don't trust those Gov's enough.).
My telco doesn't even sell or support the note yet... it hasn't slowed me down one iota and if you're even slightly savvy enough it wont slow you down either.

oh maan

This makes sense to me.
As I understand it, he is talking about OTA updates.
ie. regular Joe Blow customers that will update their phone when their phone tells them to update.
The networks can push it out to their customers first. Make sure it works on all networks, and then anyone left over will get it after that via Kies.
If you want to update your device earlier, you can upgrade it manually by downloading the upgrade yourself, but for the average user, it won't worry them and they'll upgrade when their phone tells them to.

All i can say is "meh". We need a leak of some kind. Give us that and i'll be rocking AOSP as long as my Note is pumping blood electricity through its veins.

The current ics roms are fine for me.... Maybe once the new premium suite comes out I'll try it for a little, but right now I don't really care how long it takes because I have something just as good if not better :thumbup:

If waiting a little longer for more stability and smoothness is all I have to do then I am fine with it. I am very satisfied with gingerbread as it is now.
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I wonder if a lot of people will flog their note cos of this and get the new iphone 5?
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That's kinda obvious. If the release is dependent on networks ( cause they need to test it ), it's clear that they will test and release "their" firmware first, and the one for evil guys who didn't buy a phone from them - will get it last.
But it doesn't really matter, does it ? We need at least one official release, for any network - cause frankly what we need most is the kernel, the rest they can stick up their.... Joking of course, but for good AOSP we really need just the kernel.
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"I wonder if a lot of people will flog their note cos of this and get the new iphone 5?"
I wonder what they'll introduce in iPhone 5, cause their latest releases were like "1-2 new features".

I actually don't believe this because Samsung, or any other company, develops their software and then offers it to the carriers to test their devices with the software. In the end it's the telecom operator that decides if the device will get the software that the developer has developed / offered.
Sim unlocked phones don't follow any carrier's decision, they get whatever the manufacturer decides.
I have a SIM unlocked Note, that came from Germany, and all I know is that of all the Notes that came out here, I know that the German unlocked devices have been the first to get OTA updates from Samsung.
I'm sure if Samsung deems a release acceptable, they will push it to their devices as well as offer it to the carriers. We get the updates faster because we actually cut out the middleman. It's months faster than buying a carrier locked device because the carrier doesn't need to accept the update. So I actually don't believe that they will update all the carriers before their own devices.
It's like Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream offering NEW flavors to Costco, Walmart and other stores before offering the new flavors in their own stores. Or Apple releasing new devices to Bestbuy before offering them online / in their own retail stores.

zkyevolved said:
I actually don't believe this because Samsung, or any other company, develops their software and then offers it to the carriers to test their devices with the software. In the end it's the telecom operator that decides if the device will get the software that the developer has developed / offered.
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Samsung just need to know if their ics works on the different operators network, nothing more. If an operator dont want to release the new ics, its just fine, it doesnt mean that its not compatible with their networks.
Just imagine, with all the different countries selling samsung mobiles, if the fact that a network operator decides he wont release an update can block the release for sim-free mobile, then we'll never get any official upgrade.
That's why unlock device always get update quick.

ARE there carrier locked versions in the UK? I got mine on o2, and I got the simfree version. Possibly because I went through phones 4u, however.
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ARE there carrier locked versions in the UK? I got mine on o2, and I got the simfree version. Possibly because I went through phones 4u, however.
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I dont think that even matters for us. AT&T got another model, but here we all have the same stuff. I bought mine unlocked but branded. I just flashed official unbranded stock rom and voila, non-carrier Note.