Related
Has anyone noticed how ridiculously expensive and overpriced applications are in the Windows Mobile Marketplace?
For one, their selection of applications are terrible. So far they're just a bunch of badly designed generic apps that don't feed any real purpose. The games are horrible too.
The only decent application I wanted to buy was Pac Man, but that's like £5 !!! for a measly game that probably only has 5 levels and I'm only going to play when I'm bored.
. I just want a decent Twitter application that has kinetic scrolling and doesn't show that horrid side-bar control.
. A decent media player with visualisations and coverflow.
. A few nicely designed touchscreen games including ones like Tweeter that makes use of the G-sensor.
It makes no sense for Windows to release all these devices and advertise that WM is a social device when their marketplace is a bunch of bollocks.
ilabstudios said:
. I just want a decent Twitter application that has kinetic scrolling and doesn't show that horrid side-bar control.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://code.google.com/p/pocketwit/
I agree. I am very disapointed with the marketplace myself. I was expecting thousands of high quality cheap and free apps but that's not what we have yet. I am hoping that this is only due to the fact that it's been 10 days since its release and must be hard to get thousands of apps ready to go in the first few months. I am confident though that microsoft is ready to compete with android and iphone so must surely have something more in mind than they currently have.
Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Microsoft. The WinMo software companies haven't adjusted yet to that fact that there is a central place for the average user to hit and find their competition. Something like SPB could be as pricey as it wanted, because it could take the average user forever to find any quality alternatives. They have the advertising dollars, placement on carrier websites, etc. Now there's a spot for a smaller competitor to get the same exposure. But it'll take time for them to pop up.
$30 for any mobile app is retarded. I'm really disappointed that since release day, I'm only seeing 10 new apps in the store. Maybe the "what's new" button is broken, but there's a couple on the results page I installed day 1 of Marketplace being open
The lack of apps is probably not helped by the fact that, as I understand it, Microsoft charge an extra $10 or so for each country to list the app in (and require that the app be localized for that country) so I'd assume that a good chunk of people developing apps in the US aren't going to push their apps beyond the US (I'm no developer so haven't read the full pricing details but that's the gist of what I've seen in some MS developer forums with people questioning why their apps aren't available)
It'll especially be true for free or cheap apps - if you've made a free app, would you pay out to make it available to other countries?
The only reason I can see for restricting apps to a country is if they are purely regional - TV schedules for a particular country, or train schedules or something.
Steve.
Well, I'm in the US, so not really an issue. Trust me, not missing much if they are actually holding out on pushing to other countries.
I'd also guess the word is out to developers that Marketplace is a good spot for their software to turn freeware and end up on a torrent so perhaps they are holding off until Microsoft fixes the security.
Jesus shoe tapping finger clicking Christ, give it a chance its only just started. I have already seen a lot on there for free and under 70p... just wait and be a bit patient.
give it a chance its only just started
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would if that were the case. Unfortunately, Marketplace has been exposed to developers months before it was officially released, which is why I am confused as to why there are so many cheap applications. I'm sure that there will be more applications coming soon, but I'm more concerned about the pricing and quality of applications. When I watched the first keynote last year on the coming of Marketplace I had higher hopes than his.
I realise that some iPhone developers have investment from other companies and some of them even have a development team working on the apps, but still.. look at the type of stuff Android have compared with Windows, it's ridiculous. It's as if no real developer wants to develop on the WM platform.
I feel that their advertising campaigns are misleading. They're trying to get across the fact that WM is now social and more application orientated when so far all I can find on the marketplace are overpriced applications that seem like it was developed for WM5.
Personally I don't think 6.5 is going to be a huge success, TechCrunch has already given it a bad review. WM7 better be different.
Btw. In the world of technology, there's no room for 'Oh give it a chance' type attitude. Technology companies usually have once chance of pulling something off. Hence the reason why companies like Google or Apple spend millions of dollars on market resource, trial testing and development research.
Marketplace? Pah!
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
I've been relying on the RSS feed from this fine site for the past couple of years or so, since my original TyTN, TyTN II and now my Touch Pro 2. It's a great site, has introduced me to great programs like NoniGPSPlot, has new applications all the time and finally - it's all free (and not warez free, but genuine software).
Great stuff - Microsoft saw what Apple were doing too late and have done too little me thinks to succeed.
I love my Windows Mobile phone; but Apple's iPhone taught Microsoft and other mobile developers how important eye candy in a phone OS was. Google's Android OS will be taking the lions share of future mobile phone sales and I see Android phones surpassing the iPhone.
Unless Microsoft do something right, not many peeps will want a Windows Mobile device in a few years time...
So far the only good to come out of the app store is Zenonia...badass rpg... 10 bucks though But well worth it in my opinion! If you like old school snes hack and slash rpg's, this game is for you. Full sound, decent story, just great overall. For me, there's point in playing my old favorite snes games on my phone because with sound, to me its pointless. and not using sound is the only way to get an snes emulator to run smooth; regardless of which one it is ( morphgear, smart-whatever its called, or pocketsnes
Paulplex said:
...
Great stuff - Microsoft saw what Apple were doing too late and have done too little me thinks to succeed.
I love my Windows Mobile phone; but Apple's iPhone taught Microsoft and other mobile developers how important eye candy in a phone OS was. Google's Android OS will be taking the lions share of future mobile phone sales and I see Android phones surpassing the iPhone.
Unless Microsoft do something right, not many peeps will want a Windows Mobile device in a few years time...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I see plenty of commercials for iPhones and Google phones on TV but absolutely none for WinMo phones. MS really needs to start promoting itself in this market.
S
How about the annoying fact that I don't get a chance to choose where to intstall the app. They all go directly to device memory. That sucks balls!
Paulplex said:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
I've been relying on the RSS feed from this fine site for the past couple of years or so, since my original TyTN, TyTN II and now my Touch Pro 2. It's a great site, has introduced me to great programs like NoniGPSPlot, has new applications all the time and finally - it's all free (and not warez free, but genuine software).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
nice one !
Theres a cab floating around here to fix that...
moSess said:
How about the annoying fact that I don't get a chance to choose where to intstall the app. They all go directly to device memory. That sucks balls!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
mpicart said:
Theres a cab floating around here to fix that...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568806
@Paulplex - Thanks for the link. I know I can get free applications quite easily, that's what I've done so far. However most of them aren't to 6.5 standards, the majority of them are still coded for use on old WM5 phones.
When you spend hundreds on a phone you expect to install applications on it that are intended for such a high-end device. The only application which is worth installing is the Myspace and Facebook app, and even those aren't great.
I regard my phone as my house in a way. When we buy a house, we intend to fill it up with furniture, usually the more expensive the house, the higher quality the furniture. The same should apply to phones, in that instead of furniture we require high quality applications. But where are they? SPB is the only one I can think of.
do you people think that bill gates and the people at microsoft are just gonna sit around and allow apple to dominate the app frenzy in the market for pdas and devices? dont u think that most people at microsoft all have winmo devices? do u really think any employee would have an apple iphone?...so of coursse thousands of new gsensor apps are on their way of being placed on the marketplace or in development...obvious with android showing that they have developers also who are pumpin out apps for them..microsoft is doin the same thing..give them time the winmo app store just came out..and a gsensor phone for a winmo device first showed up only a yr ago..so they have a bit of software catching up to do with these new devices. HTC thank god...droped 6 new phones for the north american market just this month alone..with the tp2 being the first in september..(htc pure,htc hero,htc tilt 2,htc imagio,htc mytouch) so basically with 6.5 also droped...htc has done their part by stacking microsoft with a heavy set and multy array of phones to crush the competition i.e iphone 3gs or whatever version its at now. microsoft is not gonna sit around and allow apple to dominate the app market..and they sure as hell arent gonna let android..a new OS that has no business gettin their OS on htc devices, surpass them either...remembr bill tried to buy out google but they rejected a couple yrs ago. And u all know bill gates has a winmo devices,prolly a htc touch hd or the new imagio...dont u think he wants a huge selection of apps himselve? trust..were not the only ones on the heals of microsoft to get these developers in line..and get these apps rolled out...plus half the apps apple has for the iphone are useless and they are just puttin them in commercials to show that they have a **** load of apps...half the apps they have could be bunddled up with other apps like how a spb traveler or mobile shell app is but they are just tryin to show off how many apps they have..plus most of all the developers for apple just have the change a couple scripts around in their apps and all the same apple apps could be made into cabs and become winmo apps...so the **** isnt hard..the microsoft winmo team execut8ves or w/e u wanna call them need to get their marketing department working full throttle and start shipping new apps with these new phones...i repeat HTC has done their part..now its time for the software to catch up...
"Windows" isn't a device, "Windows" doesn't release devices, and "Windows" doesn't sell devices. "Microsoft" isn't any of those things, either. Microsoft is a company that produces an OS that runs on LOTS of devices (some phones, some PDAs, and a whole lot of things that are neither).
Plenty of time for this thing to get up to snuff.
But that said, the real problem is that while there aren't that many WM OS out there, (5, 6, 6.1, 6.5) and most apps will pretty much install in either, the different hardware config makes it a different ballgame, especially with games, no pun intended. Some phones have buttons, some don't. Some games will work only in landscape, some will not, some will work on both. And not all phones are exactly finger friendly. They're meant to be used with a stylus for the most part, the finger's a secondary thing.
So yea, these developers will have their hands full, unless of course they want to limit their market to particular devices only.
So that being said, my gripe is that none of these apps are telling me they're to be used in a particular hardware platform.
@moegdaog, I'm a developer myself, so I realise the number of new applications that will come soon, however that's not what I was specifically talking about.
I'm more concerned about the level of development on applications and games. Why so many developers opt to develop for iPhone isn't because of a bias view-point, it's because the tools they provide mean that they can develop a high-end application and start earning money as soon as it's in the marketplace.
However the type of developers are not the same. iPhone developers are usually younger, multimedia orientated so they probably have skills in web, graphics and illustration, where as Microsoft developers are usually a lot older and more prone to developing utility (function) based apps and have very limited skills in anything else. Most developers aren't able to outsource and so they are left with a rubbish application.
My worry is that yes there will be many applications within marketplace but will they actually be worth all that money and will any investors support the development of these apps. Also how will these applications differ from what we have seen on Android and iPhone.
I wanted to put this idea of a model release form application up in hope some developer will see the need for this app for the android. They have several of them for the iphone and very useful. There are quite a few photographers out there with androids that would buy an app like this. I have even thought of getting a iphone just for the application.
The best one out there for the iphone is called easy release and I have used it on a friends iphone and it does make getting a model to sign the contract really easy and especially good to have on the fly if you you need to snap a picture and you want to get a release and not have your forms on you.
Sean
I concur. As a photographer and Android user I could really use an application that would allow me to have a model sign a release form electronicaly on my htc hero.
It would be cool if one could link a flickr photograph to this form.
I'm attaching a sample form.
Looks likes easy release that makes the app for the iphone has already developed one for the android and its in beta test right now. I am testing the application right now and its a great app. The signature parts is very smooth and you can get real look signatures. Very impressed.
Just go to their facebook page (easy release) and they are looking for more beta testers
storm180 said:
Looks likes easy release that makes the app for the iphone has already developed one for the android and its in beta test right now. I am testing the application right now and its a great app. The signature parts is very smooth and you can get real look signatures. Very impressed.
Just go to their facebook page (easy release) and they are looking for more beta testers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great find, thank you ... but by the time I got my request in they said no more beta testers
Thanks Rafal, we have all our testers already but thank you very much for
offering to help us out!
Regards,
The ApplicationGap Team
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Android version of Easy Release is now available in the Android Market
The Android version of Easy Release is now available in the Android Market
The new and updated version of Model Release Pal for Android was just released today.
And it's free
"Release Lackey" is now in beta...
I recently released an app on the market for creating model releases as well as other relatively simple legal documents... while it is in "beta" it sells for only 99 cents. The beta period is expected to last for another 4 weeks (until June 13, 2011) or until I'm confident there aren't any strange issues with any of the many Android devices out there.
Search for "Release Lackey" on the Android Market or go to LackeySoft.com with your PC and click on Release Lackey to learn more...
At least while it is in beta I promise refunds for anyone who purchases it and decides it is not for them within 48 hours. Just "email the developer" and I'll give a manual refund through Google Checkout.
I'm always looking for feedback, thanks in advance
I propose creating new section about Bada Operating system
So far is only one device: Samsung Wave [s8500] but next two will be avaible in november.
Samsung made 'Bada Cup', so we can also win 300,000 USD
I hope, that we create a lot of good aplications
VirtualVassi said:
I propose creating new section about Bada Operating system
So far is only one device: Samsung Wave [s8500] but next two will be avaible in november.
Samsung made 'Bada Cup', so we can also win 300,000 USD
I hope, that we create a lot of good aplications
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are there any developers out there that are already or plan to hack around with Bada OS?
I think that it should great idea, Few users are browsing this section of forum.
Adding it will take second and I think, that users want creating on this platform will be find. Software on bada is creating in C++ and is familiar to Android, also on Linux code. On page Samsung we can find SDK for developers.
Sorry for mistakes, but English isn't my basic english.
EDIT:
Samsung Wave is selling in 40 countries so soon will be more people interess this platform
My wave is coming tomorrow, but I'm already searching for customization. A new section dedicated to Bada OS would be great as I didn't find much information on the net about this new platform.
Android on wave
I have got my wave s8500. it will will be cool to install android 2.2 on it. Has any one found how to remove samsung bada os and install android on it ?
anyway its a cool phone.
So, here is some people, which want section dedicated BadaOS. Please make it, because this page is the best support for phones in the internet. Samsung wants create more smartphones with BadaOS, so here should appear more interesed people this platform. If we will support BadaOS, I'm sure more people will choose with this platform because now it is new platform, and people worry about support of this.
I hope we will consider positively my request.
Sorry for my English.
VirtualVassi
ya ya even i need a section for bada OS....its a high end platform for games and applications so it would be great to hack it .
I would give a thumbs up for this suggestion Btw, where to go to get a Bada developer? Need to hire one if you are going to enter the competition
my invitation to our agreement with a new section just for BADA OS ........ for my samsung gt-s8500 ....
Bada OS
I also support the idea of having an own section for bada .
Samsung S8500 for the way .
+1 Count me in.
I'm writing something about BadaOS and Mac OS X compatibility but decided not to continue. It's just not mac friendly.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Samsung Wave, speed and screen, for its price, its already a good phone.
I bought it knowing that it will not work with MAC, I just hoped that there was at least Google wireless sync. Good thing I can easily fire up boot camp and use Windows, but...
Samsung Kies, is not that easy to use. Took me hours to make it work under Windows 7. All drivers installed but won't connect to Kies. The only way to make Kies detect the Wave is format the sdcard, then I'm good to go in synchronizing my contacts. Needed to export my contacts from Google then to Kies then to Wave.
Haven't tried my calender entries as I leave that to my HTC Desire.
So to those planning to get the wave, its a great phone as I said, super AMOLED, 1GHz, 720p video recording, great camera app to name a few, but....
Don't expect that it will work with your mac (even windows) out of the box.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
So for now, we're not going to have a section for BadaOS or the Wave. Reasons:
1. There's only one device that supports it and we haven't heard from Samsung on whether there will be more
2. The development story is unknown
If either of the above changes, we'll certainly reconsider. We have to be selective when adding new devices to XDA because the site is already packed.
svetius said:
So for now, we're not going to have a section for BadaOS or the Wave. Reasons:
1. There's only one device that supports it and we haven't heard from Samsung on whether there will be more
2. The development story is unknown
If either of the above changes, we'll certainly reconsider. We have to be selective when adding new devices to XDA because the site is already packed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
To 1.: Well, Samsung has announced two other bada-phones, they will be available in august...
Source: Engadget (I'm not yet allowed to post links, so i can't link you the exact site )
if only it wasnt so BADa
Samsung has announced two bada phone:
1.s5220 (wave 2)
2.s5330 (wave 2 pro)
both of them have bada and both coming in august so s8500 is not alone
And what do you mean by "The development story is unknown"?
Thanks
Hi
+1 for a Bada dedicated section.
Two more Bada phones should be out soon by Samsung and I think the root for development is in C++, which is more complicated than simple Java programing, but, from what I've red on it, really rock solid and fast.
I have to add that this forum is my n°1 source of information for my mobile and I'm waiting my Wave to arrive soon.
Have a good day
Bada
Sold my good old HD and have now a Samsung Wave.
Looking for themes, apps, android and other cooked ROMs.
Yes, a Bada Section would be great.
i have samsung wave and i hope it will be supported by xda
I would also like to see some development besides the Samsung appstore. Cause it's fun!
Hi all, today I present to you a very exciting announcement, In late 2012, early 2013. I will be releasing a windows 8 unofficial market. The reason is because microsoft requires developers to pay 50$ Just to submit apps, but the unofficial Market will Have a free submition solution that should please many members, a website will be Released In a week to discuss this new market. I hope to Get lots Of support and I will need it.
Sounds interesting. When more details become available, I think you may gain more interest then, but this is an interesting announcement for sure.
Sounds great but not to burst any bubbles (we know what Microsoft is trying to accomplish with the cloud and access to their platform) Unless we are talking about a way to block Microsoft to uninstall the unapproved apps this annoucement might have to be reviewed.
I agree with OP here but let's exploit the ability to block that feature first.
Cheers!
Good luck...I'm not a programmer but I will support buying just like with android apps.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium HD app
I trust you will be vetting everything for malicious or illegal content?
Sounds really interesting,good luck bro.
I wrote this article about the consequences of "Spoofing"...
Please read it...!
It would be nice, if this article could be translated into other languages and posted by other bada-portals...
THX in advance by Taxidriver05 form German bada-News-Blog badania.de.
(Maybe this post could be marked as "sticky"...)
Please...
Spoofing is NOT the reason why bada dies or is dead...
How many Apps/Games or other content is shared from Android and/or iPhone community?
Btw...
Why Flash Themes are much better protected as Apps?
DCF aka AES 128 is not broken for Themes...
Why Samsung share Fullcerts in bada SDK to sign Apps self ?
Remember... everywhere I can read NOT share private keys...
To prevent Security break...
Samsung Apps Store is hard to use...
Annoying Kies and Samsung Apps kona updates...
Then they are not able to handle certification process correct...
Remember Nxvigox or FEW other "jokes"...
Common, we have waiting very long... with maximum on patient...
With no Apps/Games bada is complete NOT attractiv for customers...
Not all customers can buy Apps for more then 5 Euro...
Also remember not all countries can buy...
Not all have credit cards...
Other pay method not ever work...
bada has many problems... more major problems then Spoofing.
bada Devs should ask Samsung about better protection of their Apps...
Hint... Flash Themes...
Best Regards
In some way you are right...
But you should take care about the fact how long Android and iOS are on market...
bada is quite young compared to thes OSes and should be pushed... Also by the community...
and spoofing is not an adequate method.
bada is quite young compared to thes OSes
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But for instance me my self and I... have bada handsets since over 1,5 years...
2 years is very loooong time...
I cant wait too long... I'm not the youngest anymore...
Please, remember how long Samsung play with bada "2"...
Now at the moment we can also play with bada 2.
Maybe Samsung fix Security holes... 1 day... in future...
Normally they could do it...
Anyway.
Spoofing is not the reason for dying bada...
Bad Customer Support...
Bad Firmware Support...
Bad Kies/ Samsung Apps Support...
Bad and very stupid comments in App Store...
Why it is allowed to write so much nonsense in comments...
Many bad and annoying "mistakes"...
.
.
.
Best Regards
adfree said:
Spoofing is not the reason for dying bada...
Bad Customer Support...
Bad Firmware Support...
Bad Kies/ Samsung Apps Support...
Bad and very stupid comments in App Store...
Why it is allowed to write so much nonsense in comments...
Many bad and annoying "mistakes"...
.
.
.
Best Regards
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
etc. etc. etc....
I completely agree with you.
The failure of bada OS is not going to be as a result of lack of customers,
but bada will surely fail as a result of Samsung's lack of support for the OS.
At times I wonder why we the customers are more eager for bada to grow and survive, more than Samsung themselves who pocket all the profits from the sales.
We have endured for so long. We have climbed to the highest heights of patience with bada OS. Maybe it's time now to start descending from these heights. Our patience is dying everyday. It's just a matter of time.
adfree said:
But for instance me my self and I... have bada handsets since over 1,5 years...
2 years is very loooong time...
I cant wait too long... I'm not the youngest anymore...
Please, remember how long Samsung play with bada "2"...
Now at the moment we can also play with bada 2.
Maybe Samsung fix Security holes... 1 day... in future...
Normally they could do it...
Anyway.
Spoofing is not the reason for dying bada...
Bad Customer Support...
Bad Firmware Support...
Bad Kies/ Samsung Apps Support...
Bad and very stupid comments in App Store...
Why it is allowed to write so much nonsense in comments...
Many bad and annoying "mistakes"...
.
.
.
Best Regards
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unfortunately(?) I have to agree with you. Totally. I'm maybe harsh but in my opinion not allowing spoofing (or warez in any form) hurts Bada more than anything else... And I'm saying this by not having any warez on my phone. Why can android bloom even if all the apps are available as .apk everywhere? And it's the same with iOS. I'm pretty sure that Google and Apple would be able to lock down the apps, too, but they realized, that warez could drive the bussines. More apps -> more sold phones -> more profit (and more phones -> more users -> more sold apps so at the end even the developer gets more money..).
Of course it's just my 2 cents..
and think us who don't have paid samsung apps
Samsung doesn't really care about bada like you
I know this because i met Samsung employees & asked for their help several times but being a bada developer made them neglect me
Yes Samsung is too stupid in its way of support....if you don't have connections inside the company itself you may not get supported at all !!
And about Samsung Apps
Compare Samsung Apps to any other store.....
Even Android part is not that good in it
Samsung Apps was originally meant for bada but Android team wanted it too....
So now you can know who really get Samsung's support
About Spoofing
It is the way out for a user like me don't have a paid Samsung Apps till now
Yes it is planned next month...but you know Samsung's promises...
Spoofing is not killing bada....it is helping it to hold on or even keep its current users instead of going to another platform
Best Regards
http://developer.bada.com/article/Using-the-bada-Test-Kit
Btw... not realized before...
As I thought 1 App is limit...
But now bye bye Test Kid...
Chance to install more then 1 Sample App or self developed App,
without Samsungs Permission.
So 1 Dev not need Test Kid nor Samsungs Certification massaker...
Maybe then Filemanager or other usefull Tools possible. As App...
Best Regards
in my view, unfortunately, Bada is already dead
its pretty obvious by now that samsung wont be supporting/developing it in the future
maybe some more few firmwares with some bug corrections, but thats it
and spoofing had nothing to do with this
in fact, i think spoofing could only help the system to stay alive
one of the factors that made android a case of success, was the fact that the users could get most of the good apps for free (being it in a legitimate way or not)
no system will survive without a certain possiblity of hacking/piracy
I share my sympathy to all of you here. I too owned a Samsung Wave 1 phone before. It took me more than a year to believe the hope that Samsung will continue and develop Bada unto its peak since it fresh and young and it needs to cope up with what's already with today's other mobile platforms. I had enough already! I had my patience stretched with all the bad things given by our mates on the previous posts. But the patience eventually broke and decided I am worthy of the functionality I paid for. So sold my wave to my frustrations and I never been so happy in doing so after switching to android. Bada is good. But it has the least priority to Samsung. And that's the reason many hearts have been broken and wasted frustrations.
I do not hate Samsung. I hate how they handle Bada and how they fool the owners of Bada phones to but them. I own a Samsung android phone to date. But Samsung should not have released Samsung Bada from the first place. The way they handle its development is making themselves and especially their platform "Bada" shameful.
we, the people who bought bada phones are just the guinea pigs of a samsung experiment that failed
i bet a lot of people who bought a bada phone, especially the 1st wave (as is my case), thought the same as i did:
1) "wow.. such a great hardware for so little money" (i bought mine new for just 200 euros... unlocked!) "what a deal... hardware specs equal or better to an iphone, but at a quarter of the price"
2) "so it has a new OS... hmm.. its still in develpment and has room to grow... and with a big company like Samsung behind it..... hmmm... ill give it a try"
had samsung succeeded in developing the platform right, and today we would still have a killer phone
(imo, if my s8500 was an android or iOS phone, i wouldnt excahnge it for no other)
but unfortunately Samsung failed, leaving us with a great hardware piece of kit, but with no software to make really good use of it
Perfectly said!