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Today at Build Microsoft announced that Windows 8 would launch with ARM support. Does this mean someone could potentially port it for the Iconia to be used in those times when a Window based software is needed but neither PC nor VLC is unavailable?
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brady.wassam said:
Today at Build Microsoft announced that Windows 8 would launch with ARM support. Does this mean someone could potentially port it for the Iconia to be used in those times when a Window based software is needed but neither PC nor VLC is unavailable?
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This being a "mature developer website" has a search function and q&a section. Both would lead you to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259742
Anyway, only time will tell if win8 will be ported to the iconia (or any other android tablet). I haven't heard of wp7 being ported to an android phone, so I wouldn't bet on it. Still I can see the potential in it and would gladly try it (especially if it can be made as dual-boot).
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Downloaded and installed the "Developers Preview" of Win 8 last night. Remember this is a pre-beta release, and for certain it's in it's infancy relatively speaking. As of this moment in time, Android has a much smoother interface for touch. Win 8 still feels a bit sticky for lack of a better word. I installed it on my HP Touchsmart TM2 2150 US laptop (core i3 with 8Gb ram), so it's not exactly a slouch in terms of hardware. It's a total touch screen laptop that has a screen that folds down onto the keyboard to create a tablet. As of this moment, Win 7 has a much better touch screen experience, but I fully expect that to change as the builds mature.
There are very few apps that come with it (28 I believe), and no app store as of yet obviously.
I read last night that typical Windows apps will not run on the ARM version of Win 8, and that MS is going to do it's best to prevent side loading of apps on the ARM version to keep people purchasing apps, instead of loading them from a USB stick or SD card, but that is just rumor as of right now.
Long story short, you're not missing much yet.
tkolev said:
only time will tell if win8 will be ported to the iconia
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8:
http://youtu.be/_CNQVk7nok0
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8
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Some of us already have an a500. No need to bring up another piece of hardware. "Yeah your Honda s2000 can fit a Corvette engine, but why not get a Corvette instead"
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I don't think Microsoft will be releasing a beta for ARM chips and we will see Windows 8 run on ARM only during retail. After that XDA will not port Windows 8 simply because it would be considered illegal.
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8:
http://youtu.be/_CNQVk7nok0
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The OP was asking about the ARM version of win8, so I seriously doubt that it is about the w500.
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I installed Windows 8 on my pc a few hours ago. It is very smooth! But my DVD burner doesn't work... Anyway, I would love to see it on the A500.
Here's a preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running an AMD chip instead of a Tegra:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
Windows 8
Windows 8 *might* just support ARM. Everyone on the net is talking about it but no one is really sure. But as for now if you want something similar to Windows 8 there's always WinCE7 :-D Cheers.
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I don't think Microsoft will be releasing a beta for ARM chips and we will see Windows 8 run on ARM only during retail. After that XDA will not port Windows 8 simply because it would be considered illegal.
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Look at HTC HD2, illegal?! I think no retail arm based version. No retail maybe dev can port. Maybe it is hard to port and that is the be ass.
emo-dudes said:
Windows 8 *might* just support ARM. Everyone on the net is talking about it but no one is really sure. But as for now if you want something similar to Windows 8 there's always WinCE7 :-D Cheers.
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There's no "might" about it. Microsoft confirmed ages ago that there WILL be an ARM version of Windows 8, and recently clarified that it will NOT run native x86 applications. It's conjectured that that .NET applications should run with either minimal changes, or straight off the bat.
It's also been demoed running on Tegra 3 hardware.
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There's no "might" about it. Microsoft confirmed ages ago that there WILL be an ARM version of Windows 8, and recently clarified that it will NOT run native x86 applications. It's conjectured that that .NET applications should run with either minimal changes, or straight off the bat.
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Pure .NET applications should run just fine as long as they're using the same .NET framework as W8 does, but Microsoft is encouraging devs to use HTML5 for anything simple enough. They're aiming for HTML5 support to be top-notch and W8 and to be all-encompassing.
And yes, I concur with FloatingFatMan: why do people even think an ARM W8 would be able to run x86 binaries? That's just plain stupid. ARM applications will run on ARM W8, x86 applications will run on x86 W8, that's that.
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Pure .NET applications should run just fine as long as they're using the same .NET framework as W8 does, but Microsoft is encouraging devs to use HTML5 for anything simple enough. They're aiming for HTML5 support to be top-notch and W8 and to be all-encompassing.
And yes, I concur with FloatingFatMan: why do people even think an ARM W8 would be able to run x86 binaries? That's just plain stupid. ARM applications will run on ARM W8, x86 applications will run on x86 W8, that's that.
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There was some rumour that Ms would my providing some transcoding layers as part of the ARM kernel, much like Apple did with the first x86 versions of OSX, but that would be horrendously slow and open the ARM platform to x86 malware.
Pure .NET apps SHOULD run fine, unless MS ship the compact framework instead of the full one. As for HTML5... URGH! (I'm a C# programmer, and after being shafted by MS over first WPF and now Silverlight, they can blow HTML5 out their asses! )
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There was some rumour that Ms would my providing some transcoding layers as part of the ARM kernel
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I know there was such a rumour, but anyone with half a braincell should've realized that it was just wishful thinking from people who don't know what they're talking about.
ARM devices are first and foremost mobile devices so an emulation layer would eat horribly on the battery. Not to mention that I am not aware of a single ARM processor sporting any kind of hardware virtualization features or transcoding mechanisms, so the performance would be really poor, too.
And if Microsoft did make such an emulation layer it would be Microsoft that would get all the blame for horribly low battery-life and poor performance because people wouldn't understand the underlying problem. Microsoft saves themselves a lot bad PR just by avoiding the whole thing altogether.
Pure .NET apps SHOULD run fine, unless MS ship the compact framework instead of the full one. As for HTML5... URGH! (I'm a C# programmer, and after being shafted by MS over first WPF and now Silverlight, they can blow HTML5 out their asses! )
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They're already churning lawyers at full speed from their arses, there's no more capacity for HTML5 there, too.
Okay so i think we know that windows 8 desktop os cant be done, but what if we took the phone os, are they different would it work, or would we get just a big phon
You would get big nothing. It is not possible to run Windows (Phone) 8 on Iconias and will never be as MS will never publish sources for the drivers etc which would be required to even start thinking about this.
This is a totallly different scenario than running Windows Mobile 6 on a device with Windows Mobile 5 device, as there already was support for windows mobile drivers for specific devices. Rom makers just had to do some magic with file mixing from different releases and they were able to make more or less stable roms. But here we don't have any Windows drivers for our tablets at all.
So just forget about it and stop asking such questions.
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You would get big nothing. It is not possible to run Windows (Phone) 8 on Iconias and will never be as MS will never publish sources for the drivers etc which would be required to even start thinking about this.
This is a totallly different scenario than running Windows Mobile 6 on a device with Windows Mobile 5 device, as there already was support for windows mobile drivers for specific devices. Rom makers just had to do some magic with file mixing from different releases and they were able to make more or less stable roms. But here we don't have any Windows drivers for our tablets at all.
So just forget about it and stop asking such questions.
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Uhhh.... suppose I shouldn't ask about iOS?
But hey, they still have a ton of W500 and W501's for sale here. Wonder why?
MD
@Moscow Desire maybe it's the price? At least in my country cheapest w500 was about $150 more expensive than 64GB version of a500.
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@Moscow Desire maybe it's the price? At least in my country cheapest w500 was about $150 more expensive than 64GB version of a500.
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It's definitely the price.
Over here, they will keep them at the same price forever. Even when the supposedly "surface" tablets come out.
Can you believe they want $750 for a W500/16 mb????? And they have a "ton" of these windows tablets they can't sell.
But a birdie in MS told me, they don't plan on upgrading the OS.
Heck, if they dropped the price to $250, I might get one just to add to the collection of unused gadgets I need some for a new business though.
Insane.
MD
It seems to be cheaper in Poland if you take memory size into consideration. Only the 32GB version is available in two options: with Window 7 Home Premium (about 690 USD without dock and 800 USD with dock) or Windows 7 Professional (850/880 USB without or with dock).
Those prices are from the largest polish computer shop network komputronik.pl (PLN/USD currency exchange rate from Google) and they even don't have the lowest prices on the market.
About the OS update, it is basically a PC hardware (AMD dualcore x86-64 processor and AMD Radeon graphics card) so I don't see a reason why couldn't it run Win8 desktop version. I don't know how hard it is to install new OS in w500 though.
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Okay so i think we know that windows 8 desktop os cant be done, but what if we took the phone os, are they different would it work, or would we get just a big phon
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842228
haha lol no i dont see that happening anytime soon even if i dont see a port coming over maybe something like a chroot enviremont but not a port the only os's ive found runnable on the acer a500 are ubuntu, backtrack 5, some of the older mac os's, win95, bodhi linux, win xp (not worth it) and ARMEDslack
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842228
haha lol no i dont see that happening anytime soon even if i dont see a port coming over maybe something like a chroot enviremont but not a port the only os's ive found runnable on the acer a500 are ubuntu, backtrack 5, some of the older mac os's, win95, bodhi linux, win xp (not worth it) and ARMEDslack
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I don't think that it is a good thing to mix natively running systems (Linux based) with those that require emulation (Mac OS, Win 95 or Win XP). In my opinion OS that requires emulator doesn't qualify to be categorized as "runnable" on specific hardware, as the hardware they are using are 100% software emulated and they are running on top of another OS after all.
Chroot won't allow you to run Windows, as chrooted environment is using currently running kernel, so you can only run Linux based systems this way.
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I don't think that it is a good thing to mix natively running systems (Linux based) with those that require emulation (Mac OS, Win 95 or Win XP). In my opinion OS that requires emulator doesn't qualify to be categorized as "runnable" on specific hardware, as the hardware they are using are 100% software emulated and they are running on top of another OS after all.
Chroot won't allow you to run Windows, as chrooted environment is using currently running kernel, so you can only run Linux based systems this way.
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I think that os's that equire emulation are slow and pretty much useless but i dont see any arm in running them
gears177 said:
I think that os's that equire emulation are slow and pretty much useless but i dont see any arm in running them
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It's all a matter of meaning of the "runnable" one chooses. For me to categorize system as a runnable on specific hardware it must be able to run natively on this hardware without the help of additional software layers, i.e. system's kernel and drivers must communicate with the hardware directly.
To run Windows on our tablets you need an emulator which presents additional software layers on top of a host system (Android/Linux) which create emulated hardware layer which is not equal to device's real hardware. This of course allows you to run the system on a variety of hardware which isn't supported by the OS itself, but this does not mean that it is runnable on this hardware.
I'm not against emulation. As a matter of fact I'm using VirtualBox a lot (in both ways: Windows guest on Linux host and Linux guest on Windows host). Of course to emulate different kind of hardware you need to have powerful enough real hardware. If you take into consideration that the host system also using CPU and RAM at the same time and emulator does full CPU emulation (x86 on ARM) you simply cannot expect that Windows XP will work efficiently emulated on Tegra2 with 1GB RAM.
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It's all a matter of meaning of the "runnable" one chooses. For me to categorize system as a runnable on specific hardware it must be able to run natively on this hardware without the help of additional software layers, i.e. system's kernel and drivers must communicate with the hardware directly.
To run Windows on our tablets you need an emulator which presents additional software layers on top of a host system (Android/Linux) which create emulated hardware layer which is not equal to device's real hardware. This of course allows you to run the system on a variety of hardware which isn't supported by the OS itself, but this does not mean that it is runnable on this hardware.
I'm not against emulation. As a matter of fact I'm using VirtualBox a lot (in both ways: Windows guest on Linux host and Linux guest on Windows host). Of course to emulate different kind of hardware you need to have powerful enough real hardware. If you take into consideration that the host system also using CPU and RAM at the same time and emulator does full CPU emulation (x86 on ARM) you simply cannot expect that Windows XP will work efficiently emulated on Tegra2 with 1GB RAM.
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agreed completely thats why the setup is not even worth it but if you do go through the grunge work of setting it up then when you actually get it running its completely usueless win95 you can atleast play minesweeper at decent fps but winXP is nearly impossible to do anything on even move the mouse with decent fps but still the option is there
is just an idea, but is that possible?but some windows may be installed, or some linux??
I know there is a Ubuntu port out there so far but the last time I checked, it was still very buggy.
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hopefully in the near future can be made!!??
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Dear cubano2031:
Hi,
Acer Iconia Tab A500 specification suggests the compatible operating system as Android Honeycomb.
However according to the hardware specifications, it seems that you can install Windows 8 Consumer Preview in this tablet.
cubano2031 said:
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Dear cubano2031:
Hi,
Acer Iconia Tab A500 specification suggests the compatible operating system as Android Honeycomb.
However according to the hardware specifications, it seems that you can install Windows 8 Consumer Preview in this tablet.
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Check my dulbooting thread im assuming he probably meant the arm version but judging on how useless xp was i dont foresee windows 8 being useful :/ although most of the lag is created from the actual app emulation but stil unless someone wants to create a compatiblle recovery.img (you could utelise fastboot) kernel bootloader drivers etc then i dont think it has a chance
I really don't see Windows 8 coming the Iconia due to the type of processor that we have. The Tegra doesn't have any windows drivers as far as I know...... There is more of a chance of us seeing Mac running on our tablet . Due to the fact that it has a Unix base
gears177 said:
Check my dulbooting thread im assuming he probably meant the arm version but judging on how useless xp was i dont foresee windows 8 being useful :/ although most of the lag is created from the actual app emulation but stil unless someone wants to create a compatiblle recovery.img (you could utelise fastboot) kernel bootloader drivers etc then i dont think it has a chance
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calebcoverdale said:
I really don't see Windows 8 coming the Iconia due to the type of processor that we have. The Tegra doesn't have any windows drivers as far as I know...... There is more of a chance of us seeing Mac running on our tablet . Due to the fact that it has a Unix base
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i dont either maybe if were extremely lucky a stripped down mini version of iit but even thats wishfule thinking
Windows 8/RT will NEVER be installable on the A500.
Ever.
End of.
never say never
FloatingFatMan said:
Windows 8/RT will NEVER be installable on the A500.
Ever.
End of.
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It's been my experience if someone is determined enough anything is possible. In fact you may just have ignited a fire and determination in someone just to prove you wrong. Let's hope so!
I'm not going to be the one to do it, but I too think this is all but impossible... After all, there's an ARM build, so all that's really missing are drivers. The WiFi/Bluetooth chipset is prety widespread, so this one ought to work. There aren't too many manufacturers of touchscreen devices, so this one ought to work, too, and for audio the situation is much the same. MMC chipsets are mostly broadcom anyway (a500 too, I guess) so there's another component that most likely will work. Also, USB will work as it's well specified and used for a lot of stuff internally by most devices... The only major issues could be with the graphics card, as I don't think Win8 likes VESA mode too much... Also, I wouldn't epect A501 UMTS to work. While graphics support may be a fair amount of work, it certainly seems possible... and UMTS isn't all that important after all (it's unlikely to work without direct manufacturer support as baseband protocols are a nightmare to work with).
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I'm not going to be the one to do it, but I too think this is all but impossible... After all, there's an ARM build, so all that's really missing are drivers. The WiFi/Bluetooth chipset is prety widespread, so this one ought to work. There aren't too many manufacturers of touchscreen devices, so this one ought to work, too, and for audio the situation is much the same. MMC chipsets are mostly broadcom anyway (a500 too, I guess) so there's another component that most likely will work. Also, USB will work as it's well specified and used for a lot of stuff internally by most devices... The only major issues could be with the graphics card, as I don't think Win8 likes VESA mode too much... Also, I wouldn't epect A501 UMTS to work. While graphics support may be a fair amount of work, it certainly seems possible... and UMTS isn't all that important after all (it's unlikely to work without direct manufacturer support as baseband protocols are a nightmare to work with).
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But you need to take into consideration that this is a totally new system. It will probably come only with the drivers for hardware approved by MS (like with Windows Phone). So unless some other Win8 tablets are going to use exactly same hardware parts with same configuration we wouldn't have anywhere to get those drivers from. We don't even know if Win8 would support Tegra2 instruction set which may be missing some instruction sets available in newer processors.
Remember who you are dealing with.... Microsoft.
Remember who is pushing out Surface Tabs.. (sometime in the next decade).... Microsoft.
And I will guess, the hardware drivers will be extremely closed source. And the tabs will probably run on different hardware than the current tabs.
A tech can say "well, your tablet certainly has the hardware to run it". Don't mean diddly squat unless it's the same hardware they support. And I would guess, MS ain't gonna support Android tabs. Just like iOS.
And look who they partnered with..... Nokia. The last of the dumbphone manufacturers, who are just about to go under if android phones get any cheaper. Sorta says how "this" story is gonna pan out. "Too little.... Too late"
Windows8 touch on an A500? Ain't gonna happen. They already have a W500 (which nobody wants).
RIP Win8...... Stick with PC's.
MD
Actually, the main issue why it won't run is less to do with the hardware drivers than you might think.
The main cause is down to the bootloader and the interaction between it and the OS. Even if you managed to get RT somehow on to an A500, you'll never get it to boot. It would be easier to write your OS from scratch.
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Actually, the main issue why it won't run is less to do with the hardware drivers than you might think.
The main cause is down to the bootloader and the interaction between it and the OS. Even if you managed to get RT somehow on to an A500, you'll never get it to boot. It would be easier to write your OS from scratch.
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I would rather think the oposite as it should be definitelly easier for a hacker/cracker to remove requirement for specific bootloader (e.g. encrypted one as MS requires from hardware makers) than to fetch working drivers.
That way or another there are just too many problems to overcome to make it work.
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I would rather think the oposite as it should be definitelly easier for a hacker/cracker to remove requirement for specific bootloader (e.g. encrypted one as MS requires from hardware makers) than to fetch working drivers.
That way or another there are just too many problems to overcome to make it work.
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Unfortu'ently the algorithm used to crack it wouldnt expire in my life time completely useless it would still be sweet though hmmm....
Don't android tablets run on ARM architecture? Thats incompatible with Windows right there.
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Microsoft has said that they will not be selling the Win8RT OS seperately and that the only way to get it is pre-installed on a tablet. Because of that, and that the A500 doesn't meet the resolution, multi-touch, or have appropraite drivers, the only way to get Win8RT on the A500 is through hacking of the OS.
So it can be done, but it isn't going to be easy, nor would it be legal due to the licencing issues (you can't buy the winRT os without a tab).
For everybody that wants Windows on their tab....
http://market.yandex.ru/model.xml?modelid=7268033&hid=6427100
Much easier... and they have tons of them left for a reason....... :laugh:
MD
The W500 doesn't really even factor into this equation. It's Win7. Windows 8 was specifically designed to be tablet-friendly. Windows 7 on a touch device is... problematic at best.
Better to look at what Acer ~IS~ doing in the Win8 arena:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/03/acer-iconia-w700-w510-windows-8/
But the real problem is Microsoft mandating what will and will not be allowed to run Windows 8 RT. Their secure boot garbage and requirements for locked bootloaders on RT will be a huge issue. Aside from the aforementioned issues with device drivers, which will be a HUGE issue, Microsoft is doing all it can to block just anyone from installing the final release on unsupported devices.
Of course, with enough time and people, all this can be bypassed and someone, somewhere will make it happen, but the question will be... Will it be worth the effort? We have a great tablet that runs great on ICS and JB. Why mess with a good thing? Windows 8 RT is a gimped version of Windows that's made for phones. The full Windows 8 is a resource-hog that will clog an a500 and bring it to a standstill. I just don't see a need for this.
Hi guys
with a google search I found the file. cab with the driver (Tegra2) for windows 8.
If you want I can upload it online
Before i upgrade to windows 8, how is the game compatibility?
Can i play my old games or i can play just games only for windows 8.
How does this work? Is there an update to make the old games work on win8
Thanks
chobits said:
Before i upgrade to windows 8, how is the game compatibility?
Can i play my old games or i can play just games only for windows 8.
How does this work? Is there an update to make the old games work on win8
Thanks
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I have found that DirectX 9 games like command & conquer generals don't work on windows 8.
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I have found that DirectX 9 games like command & conquer generals don't work on windows 8.
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Did you install DirectX 9?
chobits said:
Before i upgrade to windows 8, how is the game compatibility?
Can i play my old games or i can play just games only for windows 8.
How does this work? Is there an update to make the old games work on win8
Thanks
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As long as you don't go for an ARM based Windows RT tablet (which only runs Win8 apps) all your Win7 games and apps should work just as good or better than on Win7. There might be some exceptions but I haven't found anything yet that makes me want to boot up my Win7 partition after running Win8 since it was released on MSDN in mid-August (and previews before then).
The comment above regarding DX9 games is incorrect. All games I've tried both new and old works just fine as soon as you install DX9.
Everything should be fine, as long as your drivers (particularly GPU) are properly updated.
Any DX9 game will install DX9 as part of the install process, or should. They have for me anyway.
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Sorry about that DX9 comment. I meant DX8.1 games, which run perfectly fine in windows 7.
I haven't found anything yet that hasn't worked. Trying some steam games soon, if anything comes up, I'll post it here.
I remember having shogun 2 crashed on me on the consumer preview and some mmo games that use anti cheat might not work well either until that anticheat software provider update their stuff
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Like I have said before, I have been unable to get Command & Conquer Generals and Zero Hour to work, as well as SC brood war. Both of these work fine in Windows 7. My collection of old games that I still enjoy from time to time is small, though, so I haven't tried much else.
CSS, CS:GO & BF3 all work fine... :good:
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
Why, just why.
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Why, just why.
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I was going to try and install visual studio...
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I'm open to ideas on this one. For example, I know that windows 7/8 could be run from a USB drive. Can I load them from the Nexus 10? Is this even possible?
Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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Why, just why.
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Why not? It's a Nexus device, running Android, your open to a lot of experimenting and customization
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Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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I have successfully booted to Win 95 and Win 98 on an Orange San Francisco.
My final aim is to be able to use visual studio though...
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
OP DUDE!!! CANCEL THE NEXUS 10!! QUICK before its delivered!!! What you need isn't a fast and powerful flagship android device. You need the ViewSonic Viewpad 10"!!!!!!
Another idea might be to setup a dedicated computer (or a regular computer) and install Splashtop 2, and just remote control it
Cinizzz said:
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
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Get a Surface.
dalingrin said:
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I like your ideas, especially ssh. Are there ready made applications for that or you're doing that through a linux os?
Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Thanks a lot for this useful explanation!! Some sort of RDP over the web would be enough for me
According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
Why would anyone want to run Win RT on top of Android? For the great selection of Win RT apps?
It's funny, because peeps in the Surface RT forum are excitedly jabbering about getting Bluestacks so they can run Android apps. The grass is always greener on the wrong side of the fence.
Now, if someone were to get iPad apps running on Android, then you've got my interest.
Anyway, I think the grand plan for MS is to get apps to run on all three of their platforms, PC, tab, and phone. The PC will drive app development, and hopefully those apps will also work on the smaller devices. It's kind of Android in reverse, where phones are driving development for tablets--well, in theory at least. The diff is that Android is entrenched in phones, while MS still can't get traction anywhere in mobile.
Windows RT doesn't support Active Directory so it's more or less useless in the corporate environment.
But one reason I would still be interested in running RT on Nexus 10 is it's powerful RT Office 2013 suite.
Of course, MS is working on Office for Android. Hopefully, it will be released soon.
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According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Interesting... Seems Windows RT future has too many unknowns at this point.
Anyway, those who are interested in the subject, may want to check out this long MSDN thread that starts with Sinofsky letter describing, among other things, what OE partners have to do to bundle WOA (Windows-on-ARM) with their chip implementation.
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT is solely for ARM devices. Windows 8 is x86/x64. That said, it will take some serious hacking to get RT to run on not sanctioned devices.
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT = ARM. Windows 8 = x86/64.
Microsoft is relying on the confusion to market RT. It has more in common with Windows Phone 8, except with the same UI as Windows 8. None of the same capability as the desktop version- can't join a domain, no active directory support, mandated locked bootloader (no flashing other OSes), signed executables that can only be installed from the official app store. This means that there's no compatibility whatsoever with running apps and games made for previous versions of Windows (ie- no executing exe files). No ability to run Steam and your existing game library. I'm not even sure if it will connect to Samba file shares on the network natively (it may require apps like Android and iOS to do this).
In short, Microsoft crippled RT to the point where it has no real advantages over Android or iOS. Of course, it's not bad, but the Surface and other WinRT tablets are pricing themselves out of the market while relying on market confusion to catch unsuspecting [legacy] Windows users.
You can't install/run a x86 OS on a ARM processor. Not sure why anyone would want to anyways. Windows on tablets has been around for years and guess what it's a big failure. I like Windows and have a triple monitor system at home, and a dual monitor at work, and a personal ultrabook however Windows 7 and earlier were not touch friendly and made for a bad experience on touchscreen computers. If you want "Windows" on your Nexus 10 just RDP into your Windows workstation...