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[Q] wifi sleep policy = NEVER works

hey all!
I'm struggling with this wifi sleep policy = never and it's refusal to work! I'd like to have reliable voip, but with the screen off, so goes my wifi! It seems as though if there is persistent data ( Pandora ) wifi will remain connected when the screen is off. I've searched this forum and others....it seems to be a consistent issue amongst various android devices - I even purchased a Adv. Wifi Lock application and tried several free versions all claiming results, but to no avail.
Has anyone solved this wifi sleep policy = never issue on the Atrix? ( in fear of being thrown into the whiner category, I still must mention that without this feature = deal-breaker )
Perhaps, I'm interpreting the policy wrong and what it really means ( wifi sleep = never ) is that wifi will not have to re-auth when the screen is back on???
TIA!

native12 said:
hey all!
I'm struggling with this wifi sleep policy = never and it's refusal to work! I'd like to have reliable voip, but with the screen off, so goes my wifi! It seems as though if there is persistent data ( Pandora ) wifi will remain connected when the screen is off. I've searched this forum and others....it seems to be a consistent issue amongst various android devices - I even purchased a Adv. Wifi Lock application and tried several free versions all claiming results, but to no avail.
Has anyone solved this wifi sleep policy = never issue on the Atrix? ( in fear of being thrown into the whiner category, I still must mention that without this feature = deal-breaker )
Perhaps, I'm interpreting the policy wrong and what it really means ( wifi sleep = never ) is that wifi will not have to re-auth when the screen is back on???
TIA!
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You're correct, if your wifi never sleeps it stays connected at all times, where as if you have it set to sleep it will break the connection and go into a low power (Still on but not connected to your network anymore) so when you turn your screen back on it connects faster to Wifi because it doesn't have to power on.

I believe what you are actually asking is:
Why does WIFI shut off even when set to NEVER when the screen goes off and there are no processes running.
So if a process is running that uses data connection you dont have an issue, but if not it shuts off.
1) This is an Android problem and has been since before Froyo (it was heavily vetted on the N1 boards, some solutions, still Android issue)
2) Are you saying that if you have the Data APN off and Wifi = Never you cannot get push email? Have you tried?
My money is that you do in fact have Wifi = Never working, but under Android it only means that Wifi = Never doesnt shut it down if a process is using it and the screen goes to sleep. It doesnt mean that wifi is always connected and being pinged even if nothing is using it. That is the issue to resolve with Android.

for android, normally, in the wireless setting =>(menu key) advanced, there's a wifi sleep policy there.
is it what you mean? if yes, i think that is a bug., if not, go see if it's there.
also, in developement setting, there is a "stay awake" option, which allow you to connect the wifi. it works when it's charging.

vista1984 said:
for android, normally, in the wireless setting =>(menu key) advanced, there's a wifi sleep policy there.
is it what you mean? if yes, i think that is a bug., if not, go see if it's there.
also, in developement setting, there is a "stay awake" option, which allow you to connect the wifi. it works when it's charging.
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Yes that is what the OP is talking about. The setting is there.
The problem is how you define Never.
OP thinks NEVER = Always connected so all services run through wifi
Andrdoid thinks NEVER = Connected if a streaming service is running prior to the screen being turned off. Then when that service ends wifi sleeps.
Also with regards to the development setting, that means it keeps the screen on when charging, had nothing to do with wifi. Most annoying setting there is.

Ahhhh.... I see, I didn't have on my little green THINKing cap I indeed thought never actually meant never, even with no active data streams. But now I know, I have to start thinking like a droid to become one with my android. I'll check the market to find an application that tries to keep-alive by sending data packets or write my own. Thanks again snlu178!
UPDATE: Wi-Fi Keep Alive does the trick. Use Work-around #3. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.shantz.wifikeepalive&feature=search_result
- it pings the gateway every 10s - not ideal, but it works and drains your battery just as well

native12 said:
Ahhhh.... I see, I didn't have on my little green THINKing cap I indeed thought never actually meant never, even with no active data streams. But now I know, I have to start thinking like a droid to become one with my android. I'll check the market to find an application that tries to keep-alive by sending data packets or write my own. Thanks again snlu178!
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Be careful of this, your battery will be toast in a couple hours.

native12 said:
Ahhhh.... I see, I didn't have on my little green THINKing cap I indeed thought never actually meant never, even with no active data streams. But now I know, I have to start thinking like a droid to become one with my android. I'll check the market to find an application that tries to keep-alive by sending data packets or write my own. Thanks again snlu178!
UPDATE: Wi-Fi Keep Alive does the trick. Use Work-around #3. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.shantz.wifikeepalive&feature=search_result
- it pings the gateway every 10s - not ideal, but it works and drains your battery just as well
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I do hope your battery survives this. Also I know the debs fixed this with N1. Let's hope GB has a fix in it. I do miss some parts of my N1.

A few (software) issues with SGT 10.1...

1. There is no way to sync the clock to any internet time.
2. When the battery is fully charged, the screen turns on from standby (and stays on until the pre-set time-out). This is a problem if you leave you SGT plugged in at night. The screen will turn on in the middle of the night, and possible wake you up if you leave it by night table.
3. Bluetooth tethering for internet access does not work. Using my iPhone (with a legit tethering plan), I can connect to SGT via BT. The internet setting actually recognized BT was connected. A blue square icon was also shown in the lower right corner. However, no data was transferred.
4. Launcher crashes. Regularly about once every 1-2 day, Launcher crashes; i.e., pressed the 'house' icon then a blank screen was shown. Same problem with ADW launcher. The only solution was to reboot (like working with Windows computers, needs constant rebooting).

ikeny said:
1. There is no way to sync the clock to any internet time.
4. Launcher crashes. Regularly about once every 1-2 day, Launcher crashes; i.e., pressed the 'house' icon then a blank screen was shown. Same problem with ADW launcher. The only solution was to reboot (like working with Windows computers, needs constant rebooting).
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The only consistent crash/force close I have ever had is with the Google Listen app. I've never had a problem with the stock launcher, unless we count that annoying WiFi hang thing. But, that doesn't require a reboot either. Maybe you have defective hardware; can you return/exchange it for a new one?
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1. If your tab is rooted there is. Get one of the ntp apps like ClockSync from the market.
2. No idea how to disable that. My phone does the same thing but the screen is so small that it didn't bother me much. The tablet is another thing, it lights up the whole room, really annoying.
3. Won't help you much when I tell you that bt tethering works great with my Galaxy S via the bt pan profile. All I have to do is enable bt, click the little wrench next to the Galaxy S and enable tethering. Maybe you have to enable something on your iPhone?
4. Never happened to me. You should try to set up your homescreens from scratch.
Btw. you might want to update your pc to something newer than win98 if you really believe in your comment about windows PCs.

Wifi sucks on the KF

Hi, something that is happening to me since day one and with all the roms i tried. Basically, i can´t transfer from my pc or download from the internet any file that is more than a few MB. Every time i try to do it, the connection is lost before completing the transfer. Does anyone have the same problem? It really sucks as i don´t have a micro-usb cable always with me.

Never had that problem, use multiple access points at the house (3) and have used my unit at work (9 access points throughout the building), family member homes, client homes/businesses ... as well as my 4G hotspot.
I don't use open unsecure access points so I can't speak for them, but everything else works fine.

I have two Kindle Fires.
WiFi works fine on both of them.
I have had no such problem as you have.​

tkalli said:
I have two Kindle Fires.
WiFi works fine on both of them.
I have had no such problem as you have.​
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Works for me, last eve I d/l'ed a rom, took about 20 mins, but it finished fine..

Kindle's wifi is really good for me...it even works in my third Bedroom with doors closed, where few of my other devices find it hard to acquire...try checking ur modem settings...might help!

I have a sneaking suspicion that the stock ROM disables WiFi when the screen is off, or something similar.
Stock 6.2.2 rooted, was streaming music off of Grooveshark. Screen on, no problem. Screen off, after about 30 seconds the music stopped. I've also heard people complain Gmail won't sync in the background on the stock ROM, but I have found that isn't the case. It just won't sync in the background with the screen off
I am switching between Stock and the ICS port, and this eliminates the streaming problem (for me, YMMV of course).

My wifi sucks too. It was fine when i first got it but now it just constantly turns off and on. Every other device i have on my router works fine. Very frustrating. I'm tempted take my kindle back but i didn't get the warranty
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podspi said:
I have a sneaking suspicion that the stock ROM disables WiFi when the screen is off, or something similar.
Stock 6.2.2 rooted, was streaming music off of Grooveshark. Screen on, no problem. Screen off, after about 30 seconds the music stopped. I've also heard people complain Gmail won't sync in the background on the stock ROM, but I have found that isn't the case. It just won't sync in the background with the screen off
I am switching between Stock and the ICS port, and this eliminates the streaming problem (for me, YMMV of course).
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You are correct, stock rom has wifi set to sleep with screen off. ''Wifi keep alive'' on the android market will fix that tho.

Worth a try but no guarantee.
Search for "wifi keep alive" in Android Market. Set your KF to "always on".

Other than WiFi shutting off with screen, the only other thing I've noticed is that the Fire doesn't seem to roam smoothly between APs.
When I'm using MSTSC to control my work PC, walking any distance always causes it to disconnect. Luckily, it only takes a couple seconds to reconnect. But, I imagine it'd cause a file copy to abort.

I have not had any issues transferring 1gb videos to my Kindle via Dropbox. Used to have this issue with My phone but then installed Juice Defender and enabled connectivity when screen is off for apps like, dropbox or Google music. worked like a charm, otherwise very happy with my Kindles wifi.

Wifi on Windows Phone 8

Wifi used to turn off under standby on Windows Phone 7, which was the most stupidest feature in the whole OS I don't care what anyone says. Can anyone confirm if this is still present in WP8?

Since nobody got their hands on a device that's not even out yet, we can't answer that.

How can anyone confirm such a statement when the os isn't even out yet? (and some features may be still on the work, since the sdk isn't the final version yet?)

ammarmalik said:
Wifi used to turn off under standby on Windows Phone 7, which was the most stupidest feature in the whole OS I don't care what anyone says. Can anyone confirm if this is still present in WP8?
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There is/are an app(s) for that!
Even if it is still present in WP8, you can always have an app to help you add this feature (like other OS always does!)

Hi,
It would be really great if you could let me know the name of any of the apps which helps in keeping the wifi on all the time.
I am not having a rooted handset so I cannot change the registry entries and would only be able to get an app which is already in the marketplace

shamreez said:
Hi,
It would be really great if you could let me know the name of any of the apps which helps in keeping the wifi on all the time.
I am not having a rooted handset so I cannot change the registry entries and would only be able to get an app which is already in the marketplace
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Its called keep alive
it has a logo of a heart
look it up in the market place

FWIW, even though the Wifi is switched off when the screen is off, I believe the OS does switch on & off the wifi as and when it needs to (checking emails, receiving push notifications etc) without fully waking the phone (ie the display stays off)
I run an app that polls a local server every few hours to check for new items. The local IP 192.168.1.65, as it appears on the local network, is the IP it checks. Every morning when I check my phone, the live tile has been updated overnight. It can't have made contact with the server unless it was connecting via Wifi, so therefore the Wifi is indeed being used even when the screen is off.
Therefore, I have no use for Keepalive or any of these apps. I'm not sure why people need it?

There were some recent news which mentioned that Live apps (Don't ask) will most likely remain active, even with the screen locked.
Also, seems that enabling your app as a GPS app will most likely let your app. However, these are discussions and rumors.

Wifi does not get completely shut down when you lock the screen. It simply enters a power-saving mode, cause you won't actively need your connection while phone is locked.
You can check this in easy steps. Get an app that updates itself over internet everytime you run it (say a whether app) and lock the screen at the exact moment when the app goes past the loading screen. You if you press the power button, you will see wifi is active in the status bar.
If you lock it the usual way, while nobody needs wifi, you will see wifi gets turned off almost instantly.

What if you are downloading bunch of podcasts ? Will the podcast app keep the wi-fi on until it finishes ? Also.. skype (or any other chat program) needs to check for updates as well.
I am sure they've made it seamless..

Random apps will think I have no network connection, when I obviously do... help!

Hey guys,
This problem has been going on for a week or two now. Phone worked great when I first got it, but something must have changed (newest Verizon update, perhaps?)
Let me preface this by saying I've seen this happen both on Wi-fi and 4G. When on Wi-fi, and it happens, I've tried turning Wi-fi off and still get the same errors.
The apps affected seem to be random. A couple days ago it was Google Maps, I was getting the "offline navigation" prompt. Today it was Chase (couldn't screenshot it), TeamViewer, IMDb and so on.
Here are some screenshots. Note the time in the pictures.
- First encountered the problem when opening TeamViewer.
- Did a Speedtest to confirm that yes, I'm really on 4G as the phone shows, and it's quite a stable and fast connection too.
- Let's try some more apps. Here's Target's Cartwheel
- Delta app? Same problem.
- TeamViewer Host app. Same problem as the client.
- IMDb. One more random one not working.
- Lastly, I went back to Pokémon Go to confirm I DO still have network connectivity (not sure why the screenshot got ghosted like that, but you can see I just redeemed items from a Pokéstop I was near with no errors)
So as you can see, the phone itself, as well as certain apps, work fine. But others don't. I tried turning airplane mode on and back off, disabling/enabling mobile networks, nothing works. The only thing I can do is reboot the phone.
Any ideas? This gets incredibly annoying as I can't seem to go a whole day without *some* app whining that it has no network access. Some apps work flawlessly every time (like the aforementioned Pokémon Go) but others don't.
By the way, that little screenshot button in the bottom left is from this neat app called Custom Navigation Bar. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with this problem, though, all it does is add buttons.

drfsupercenter said:
Hey guys,
This problem has been going on for a week or two now. Phone worked great when I first got it, but something must have changed (newest Verizon update, perhaps?)
Let me preface this by saying I've seen this happen both on Wi-fi and 4G. When on Wi-fi, and it happens, I've tried turning Wi-fi off and still get the same errors.
The apps affected seem to be random. A couple days ago it was Google Maps, I was getting the "offline navigation" prompt. Today it was Chase (couldn't screenshot it), TeamViewer, IMDb and so on.
Here are some screenshots. Note the time in the pictures.
- First encountered the problem when opening TeamViewer.
- Did a Speedtest to confirm that yes, I'm really on 4G as the phone shows, and it's quite a stable and fast connection too.
- Let's try some more apps. Here's Target's Cartwheel
- Delta app? Same problem.
- TeamViewer Host app. Same problem as the client.
- IMDb. One more random one not working.
- Lastly, I went back to Pokémon Go to confirm I DO still have network connectivity (not sure why the screenshot got ghosted like that, but you can see I just redeemed items from a Pokéstop I was near with no errors)
So as you can see, the phone itself, as well as certain apps, work fine. But others don't. I tried turning airplane mode on and back off, disabling/enabling mobile networks, nothing works. The only thing I can do is reboot the phone.
Any ideas? This gets incredibly annoying as I can't seem to go a whole day without *some* app whining that it has no network access. Some apps work flawlessly every time (like the aforementioned Pokémon Go) but others don't.
By the way, that little screenshot button in the bottom left is from this neat app called Custom Navigation Bar. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with this problem, though, all it does is add buttons.
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Do you have powersave mode on? I've had some problems with it enabled..

No I don't have power save mode on. Should I turn off the power monitoring of apps as well? Didn't think that mattered as long as power save mode was off.

drfsupercenter said:
No I don't have power save mode on. Should I turn off the power monitoring of apps as well? Didn't think that mattered as long as power save mode was off.
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You could try. I dont know, what i Said about powersave profile in battery settings Was My bet.
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I turned all the power saving stuff off and still have this happening. As in, I set it to not even monitor how much power each app is using.