So I have seen from several people around the thread that they were able to get a Nexus S 4g as a replacement for their OG EVo. I was wondering what would be some specific reasons to receive this replacement or what I would need to say to tech support.
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I'm wondering this as well.
i just bought one for $220 on Craigslist. now i have the evo and the nexus. best of both worlds!
You must meet these four criteria
1 be on a replacement..at least once
2 convince them that you can not leave the house for a period of time...i said I was sick and couldn't leave the house
3 the phone had problems that are mostly specific to gingerbread...ex force closes and random reboots
4 say you've talked to a manager and they said a nexus s could be a replacement
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You must meet these four criteria
1 be on a replacement..at least once
2 convince them that you can not leave the house for a period of time...i said I was sick and couldn't leave the house
3 the phone had problems that are mostly specific to gingerbread...ex force closes and random reboots
4 say you've talked to a manager and they said a nexus s could be a replacement
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Not true. I simply went to a.service center because of problems with a charging port. They checked it out and verfied it was bad. When they went to order a replacement the nexus s came up as an option so I took it. Take this forewarning, signal on the nexus is horrible, even with the 2.3.5 update.
tapa tapa tapa
Just called Sprint today and got them to send me a Ns4G. All I did was explain to them how terribly unhappy I was with my EVO since the GB update. I might have exaggerated a few issues but they hooked me with the nexus and a nib at that! The "adavanced" tech support guy told me they have gotten tons of complaints about the EVO since the update. He also mention that another update was going to offered for the nexus starting on the 5th, said it was supposed to resolve the radio and battery issues......anyone hear of that? Anyway, since I have had bad reception since the GB update for my evo, I guess I might still have to deal with that......oh well, at least I'll have root again!
ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
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Just called Sprint today and got them to send me a Ns4G. All I did was explain to them how terribly unhappy I was with my EVO since the GB update. I might have exaggerated a few issues but they hooked me with the nexus and a nib at that! The "adavanced" tech support guy told me they have gotten tons of complaints about the EVO since the update. He also mention that another update was going to offered for the nexus starting on the 5th, said it was supposed to resolve the radio and battery issues......anyone hear of that? Anyway, since I have had bad reception since the GB update for my evo, I guess I might still have to deal with that......oh well, at least I'll have root again!
ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
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Will you tell me who you called, and if you asked for some specific department, or what you said to receive the Nexus instead of going to the store or getting a replacement evo? When I call they send me to the tech guys and they say that I need to bring it in to a store or they will do a hard reset. So i guess im wondering how you convinced the tech guy to send a Nexus?
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Will you tell me who you called, and if you asked for some specific department, or what you said to receive the Nexus instead of going to the store or getting a replacement evo? When I call they send me to the tech guys and they say that I need to bring it in to a store or they will do a hard reset. So i guess im wondering how you convinced the tech guy to send a Nexus?
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Why are you trying to scam a new phone? Total douche move IMO.
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Why are you trying to scam a new phone? Total douche move IMO.
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Because it's a total douche move of Sprint and HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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Because it's a total douche move of HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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Now that I corrected your post, since Sprint isn't the one that wanted the bootloader locked, I have a solution to this thread:
Buy one.
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Now that I corrected your post, since Sprint isn't the one that wanted the bootloader locked, I have a solution to this thread:
Buy one.
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I agree with you in that usually the answer is don't be a freeloader and just buy the stuff you want. But consider this analogy: I buy a used car, and it worked fine, then I modified it by giving it good tires, suspension, engine upgrades, and made it completely my own. I don't expect the car to be under warranty at all because I've now made it my own, but I do have insurance. My car is crashed into, insurance replaces my car. But now, for some god damn reason when I get the car back, every bolt has a lock on it that I can't get the keys for. I BOUGHT this car originally, but now I can't modify it the way I like, when originally I very specifically went out and bought this kind of car because I CAN modify it? You can't sell someone something, then change what that something is.
A lot of us bought evos because we can modify them. And **** happens, phones get lost and dropped and whatever, that's why we have insurance. But the new evos that they get replaced with do not have the functionality that we want them to have. And they're being replaced with ****ty rebuilt evos, the worst of all worlds. So I see no problem with wanting something comparable, IF you're paying for the insurance and they're replacing the insured device with something that has less functionality. So I do very much agree, that scamming Sprint to get a free new phone is very shady and scummy. But if the product being replaced is less functional than the original, I see no problem with a "side-grade," a comparable device that costs them no more money to replace than the original device, being that they sell for the same amount. Ya feel me?
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Will you tell me who you called, and if you asked for some specific department, or what you said to receive the Nexus instead of going to the store or getting a replacement evo? When I call they send me to the tech guys and they say that I need to bring it in to a store or they will do a hard reset. So i guess im wondering how you convinced the tech guy to send a Nexus?
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Seriously I spent 3 hours on the phone and got nowhere.
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I agree with you in that usually the answer is don't be a freeloader and just buy the stuff you want. But consider this analogy: I buy a used car, and it worked fine, then I modified it by giving it good tires, suspension, engine upgrades, and made it completely my own. I don't expect the car to be under warranty at all because I've now made it my own, but I do have insurance. My car is crashed into, insurance replaces my car. But now, for some god damn reason when I get the car back, every bolt has a lock on it that I can't get the keys for. I BOUGHT this car originally, but now I can't modify it the way I like, when originally I very specifically went out and bought this kind of car because I CAN modify it? You can't sell someone something, then change what that something is.
A lot of us bought evos because we can modify them. And **** happens, phones get lost and dropped and whatever, that's why we have insurance. But the new evos that they get replaced with do not have the functionality that we want them to have. And they're being replaced with ****ty rebuilt evos, the worst of all worlds. So I see no problem with wanting something comparable, IF you're paying for the insurance and they're replacing the insured device with something that has less functionality. So I do very much agree, that scamming Sprint to get a free new phone is very shady and scummy. But if the product being replaced is less functional than the original, I see no problem with a "side-grade," a comparable device that costs them no more money to replace than the original device, being that they sell for the same amount. Ya feel me?
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Listen, I'm not saying I'm not upset with HTC about it.
I can't get my phone repaired [usb failure] because I want to maintain root.
However, just because HTC did something like this doesn't justify scamming Sprint.
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Because it's a total douche move of Sprint and HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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You cannot possibly be an adult. Grow the **** up kids, no one promised you that the Evo would have an unlocked bootloader. The phone is yours to mess with once you buy it and HTC and Sprint won't stop you. But it's Sprint's supply chain, they can buy it from HTC whichever way they want to, locked down or not & you agreed to allow them to send updates to your phone when you signed that contract. It's your choice to buy it as is or to take the OTA update. Live with it or buy a new phone.
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Because it's a total douche move of Sprint and HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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The bootloader has always been locked. HTC just patched the exploit
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He also mention that another update was going to offered for the nexus starting on the 5th, said it was supposed to resolve the radio and battery issues......anyone hear of that? Anyway, since I have had bad reception since the GB update for my evo, I guess I might still have to deal with that......oh well, at least I'll have root again!
ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
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This isn't a bad reception thing. The radios in the Nexus are generally bad, ridiculously bad: WiFi, 3G, voice, all of them are terrible. Its a sweet phone but the signal issues are quite sad and makes it rather frustrating to use the phone. The July 25th update was supposed to address these issues as well and from my experience it is no better. Signal quality is a known issue for the Nexus and it is the poor quality antennas and radios that Samsung uses that makes me question their devices as a whole. I'm just happy I also have my E3D so that I can actuall get a signal when using my phone.
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Listen, I'm not saying I'm not upset with HTC about it.
I can't get my phone repaired [usb failure] because I want to maintain root.
However, just because HTC did something like this doesn't justify scamming Sprint.
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I'm not talking about scamming sprint at all, I'm talking about a comparable replacement. I very much love Sprint and their customer service has been excellent; I misspoke when I blamed them and didn't think about the fact that they are not to blame, HTC is.
That being said, the NS4G goes for a very similar price. Also, I'm talking about legitimate cases of loss or theft in which it's not my fault that the phone, set up the way I like it, is gone. Then the phone is replaced with, at best, a non-unlockable version, and at worst, a ****ty rebuilt replacement with screen issues or crappy USB ports, etc. Why should I, the customer who is paying for the insurance, be supplied with a lesser phone? It would be Asurion replacing my phone, not Sprint, but because they are so disconnected it makes things difficult. I would simply want the phone I lost to be replaced because I'm paying for insurance. They should provide me with what I'm paying to insure, not some weird new less functional device. Again, Asurion, not Sprint. Sprint has only been good to me thusfar.
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You cannot possibly be an adult. Grow the **** up kids, no one promised you that the Evo would have an unlocked bootloader. The phone is yours to mess with once you buy it and HTC and Sprint won't stop you. But it's Sprint's supply chain, they can buy it from HTC whichever way they want to, locked down or not & you agreed to allow them to send updates to your phone when you signed that contract. It's your choice to buy it as is or to take the OTA update. Live with it or buy a new phone.
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I know this is the way it is, but just because something is some way doesn't mean I should have to live with it or not try to change things. I won't bore you with tales of history in which we have changed the norm to suit society better, nor am I under the delusion that being stuck in a lame contract is as heavy as the idea of slavery or bigotry. But I don't make a habit of sitting idly by and getting screwed over by large companies just because they told me I had to. I'm sure at least those of us who are over 25 on here work very hard for their money (I do), and I don't like being jerked around based on the whim of a corporation. I very much understand what you are saying, and I'm not under the impression that Sprint and the hacker community are pals and that they're backing out on a promise. I'm just saying, I don't see the issue with swapping to an extremely comparable phone IF your phone is already lost/stolen/destroyed, you're on insurance, and you simply prefer to have the other option. Same as if I felt like going to the Samsung Epic. Very similar phones, they're already replacing it, why does it have to be the same phone, especially when the same phone simply isn't the same anymore?
EDIT: Also fellas, I'm not intentionally being challenging with either of you or being argumentative for the sake of trolling or whatever, I'm legitimately just enjoying a robust debate on a lazy Tuesday evening. Thank you for the discussion guys
I choose not to commit insurance fraud myself. Let's remember that OS developers have an obligation to patch exploits. We are not guaranteed a rooted device unless you buy a dev phone.
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I'm not talking about scamming sprint at all, I'm talking about a comparable replacement. I very much love Sprint and their customer service has been excellent; I misspoke when I blamed them and didn't think about the fact that they are not to blame, HTC is.
That being said, the NS4G goes for a very similar price. Also, I'm talking about legitimate cases of loss or theft in which it's not my fault that the phone, set up the way I like it, is gone. Then the phone is replaced with, at best, a non-unlockable version, and at worst, a ****ty rebuilt replacement with screen issues or crappy USB ports, etc. Why should I, the customer who is paying for the insurance, be supplied with a lesser phone? It would be Asurion replacing my phone, not Sprint, but because they are so disconnected it makes things difficult. I would simply want the phone I lost to be replaced because I'm paying for insurance. They should provide me with what I'm paying to insure, not some weird new less functional device. Again, Asurion, not Sprint. Sprint has only been good to me thusfar.
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Asurion only handles the replacements when a deductible is paid, otherwise it's Sprint.
Also, all carriers use Asurion for their replacement insurance.
It's not Sprint's fault that HTC patched a hole in their bootloader security, therefore it's not fair for them to lose out on money.
If Sprint gives you a different model just because of a software update that does nothing but, essentially, increase the security of the phone....well...they lose out and that's just not a viable reason for them to lose out.
Root will be achieved, it sucks I know but, relax.
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The bootloader has always been locked. HTC just patched the exploit
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Well this is the unfortunate grey area, and an oversight on my part... apologies, didn't mean to simplify too much. However, I did buy the phone because of the exploit, this is why I didn't go with a different phone. My side of this is a hard one to defend; surely patching the exploit was considered a security issue. But they had to have known what they were doing, which I can never prove, so my case would never hold up in a court of law, and I know this. It just irritates me and I fear the day that I lose my phone or it gets stolen because I'll be stuck with a crappy, half-assed gingerbread updated Evo, which seems wrong to me.
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Hey Guys,
what do you think about starting a petition against Samsung and TMO?
I for one paid $650 for this device thinking i could pull it out , install software and roll not even the need to root.
then, I ran into all the common issues. Lag,Gps,all kinds of things.
I was thinking we should start one. To get them scared and moving. Maybe if there is a lawyer on here? Maybe there is some legal aspect we can all sue on.
It' not right for them to release a device that doesnt perform as they say it does. and make promises on release dates. When they cant even fix 2.1.
First Off..How Did You Pay $650 For The Phone When The Phone Costs $500
Second, You Have No Lawsuit
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First Off..How Did You Pay $650 For The Phone When The Phone Costs $500
Second, You Have No Lawsuit
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From radio shack. The price was $650.
Since i did not have a TMO account TMO would not sell me the phone. and i had to go to radio shack and that was their price. Day 1 of sale.
I even tried to dispute this with american express. showing them the price of it from TMO / Radioshack. They said I signed it knowing the price.
I had no choice.
Honestly..That F*cking Sucks
You Didn't Have A Friend That Could.. Oh Wait You Used Credit Card Right?
Never Mind.
But Back On Topic, Theres No Lawsuit Simply Because Everything Works, Yeah Theres A Little Lag, Yeah The GPS Isn't The Greatest, But The GPS Still Works :\
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Honestly..That F*cking Sucks
You Didn't Have A Friend That Could.. Oh Wait You Used Credit Card Right?
Never Mind.
But Back On Topic, Theres No Lawsuit Simply Because Everything Works, Yeah Theres A Little Lag, Yeah The GPS Isn't The Greatest, But The GPS Still Works :\
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Yes. it does suck. and i tried to even pay cash. and ask an employee to buy it for me and or ask a customer to buy for me. But, they refused.
So, i was FORCED to go to radio shack. Honestly, who knows. maybe i can go to TMO and complain. maybe get a full refund and buy it again at 400 or so used.
*SHRUG*
Im just angered that it doesnt work right for the money. $650 is not cheap. Now, I called about the G2 and they want $600 and i hear the G2 has bugs as well.
Bunch of BS.
You have GPS that works? I'm not sure my GPS has ever gotten a lock on. And I'm not flashing anything as I have a hardware locked phone.
I've never heard of a petition working for anything ever
I actually think there is a case to be had considering the facts. No matter what anyone tells me the GPS did not work AT ALL when I bought the phone stock. Only after rooting and installing JI2 GPS files and playing around with the settings did I get a working GPS. Now after JI5 I finally have it at the point where it works like it should. Of course now TECHNICALLY my warranty is void even though I have to knowhow to put it back to stock but you get the picture. Not sure it would win in court but it would certainly make it to court and would scare them into trying to release an update.
Ok seriously though... why not just root and fix this yourself? Even if you do sue them it wont be released any earlier.
I dont want to hijack your thread, but dude we will all be happy one day when Samsung and T-Mobile roll out Froyo (yeah we dont know when, but IT WILL HAPPEN). I just watched this video on what Samsung did for Captivate with Froyo and I am really impressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YnSVvfHpQ
Right, because a couple of people on the internet makes a petition they will RUSH to release it. T-Mobile and Samsung have better lawyers than you. The only thing you'll do is waste their time.
What are you going to sue them for? Your phone turns on, you have GPS, it runs, an NOTHING is broken. GPS is software. They already said they're going to release an update soon. Be patient.
Go to JI2, better batter, and better GPS. Lagfix. Solved.
And just for the love of god, please be patient.
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Right, because a couple of people on the internet makes a petition they will RUSH to release it. T-Mobile and Samsung have better lawyers than you. The only thing you'll do is waste their time.
What are you going to sue them for? Your phone turns on, you have GPS, it runs, an NOTHING is broken. GPS is software. They already said they're going to release an update soon. Be patient.
Go to JI2, better batter, and better GPS. Lagfix. Solved.
And just for the love of god, please be patient.
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Well technically threre could be a class action law suit. Not saying he would win anything but its possible. Remember the iphone 4 and reception issues. I agree that it is stupid right now BUT im pretty sure he could do something.
I think if there is a lawyer among us here. we could do a class action. as the last person said. Look at iphone 4 with the receoption issue.
We have the same issue on our phones. Death grip. So tech, we have two issues, never mind the lag.
And, the person who said. Rom/Lagfix/kernel. Thats un-acceptable for $650 USD. It should "JUST" work.
And if you read before you droped $650 on a phone, that there was issues. If you knew about said issues in your 15 day return period, then you could've have said $650 dollars back.
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And if you read before you droped $650 on a phone, that there was issues. If you knew about said issues in your 15 day return period, then you could've have said $650 dollars back.
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Very true. But i was hoping as most companies back their products the fixes would be out. And what do they do? Release a G2 with more issues?
Seriously, Now i see why they said TMO will go out of biz within the next two years.
They are morons.
Well, you could do the legal thing. Five, perhaps ten years later you might get your $650 back. But friends don't let friends do Radio Shack. That place died a slow cancerous death some 20 to 30 years ago.
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Well, you could do the legal thing. Five, perhaps ten years later you might get your $650 back. But friends don't let friends do Radio Shack. That place died a slow cancerous death some 20 to 30 years ago.
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It would have to be a class action suit as was said before. Its not worth it for one person.
And, I was forced to go to Radio shack. Which is why i think i can get a refund. ill just complain about all the issues and being forced to go to a store and pay more.
Also, the petition does not have to be about money. It can be about updates being pushed. No reason ATT should be on 2.2 and we are not! same phone. Same software. Same everything.
*shrug* I've lost my patience.
If anyone is interested I have a bricked one. For sale. PM me.
I have no problems at all with my g2. I suppose you can't please all the people.
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I think if there is a lawyer among us here. we could do a class action. as the last person said. Look at iphone 4 with the receoption issue.
We have the same issue on our phones. Death grip. So tech, we have two issues, never mind the lag.
And, the person who said. Rom/Lagfix/kernel. Thats un-acceptable for $650 USD. It should "JUST" work.
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Vibrant death grip is far more exaggerated and even in the youtube video the phone worked fine even with the death grip issue unlike the iPhone 4. And how is the G2s loose hinge T-Mobile's fault? So the iPhone 4s death grip issue is At&ts fault? Maybe YOU are the moron!
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Vibrant death grip is far more exaggerated and even in the youtube video the phone worked fine even with the death grip issue unlike the iPhone 4. And how is the G2s loose hinge T-Mobile's fault? So the iPhone 4s death grip issue is At&ts fault? Maybe YOU are the moron!
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I dont think the deathgrip issue is exaggerated at all. I dont hold my phone like that but if I did, I would be dropping calls like crazy. I can be on the phone with full bars and as soon as I grip the bottom (even with a case) the call drops. I also live in a metropolitan area so it shouldn't be lack of signal. Like I said, not a huge deal for me since I rarely ever hold the phone in a deathgrip way BUT I can definately see a difference when I was testing it.
Basically you wont get anything for trying to bring a lawsuit based on buyers remorse. Let's be honest. That's what you have. Not that I blame you. But your claims or virtually claimless in court. As far as trying to get Tmo or Samsung to act. Doubt it. You'll just waste your time and theirs.
I feel your frustration. I have a virtually dead Vibrant here b/c its hardware key locked. Im having to wait for a replacment and thats very inconveint for the cost of this phone. But you would have to prove negligence on their part and I don't see that happen. Intentional negligence against a corporate business is damn near impossible with "real" proof. Let alone what seems like gripes about a phone that you think should work a certain way.
If you brought a Z06 Corvette for $75,000, you cant be made b/c it doesnt go 205 but just 198 mph. Just the reality of it.
I suggest you do whatever you can to work with Radio Shack, Tmobile, or Samsung to get your issue resolved instead of trying to fight them.
So, im just wondering, does anyone else think the Incredible is dying? I was at Verizon yesterday (black friday) and the reps didnt even show customers the incredible, nor did anyone look at it. And there were about a good 20 customers who walked in the store and looked at the Droid section while I was there. Verizon doesnt really market the Incredible either. The only place where the Inc is alive is in the forums.
Forums are showing down the past month or so.. I dunno, like any phone product, it has it's 6-9 months of fame.
It may still have a legacy like G1 or N1..
I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents
The biggest problem with the DINC is the battery life and originally availability due to AMOLED screens. I think the Droid X and Fasicinate took over for the DINC. I do like the phone but when you are up against SAMOLED and the battery life of Moto devices it is a tough sell.
After trying the droid 2 global for about a week it got returned for a dinc. Out of all the phones verizon offers this device is my favorite by far. It will have a long life albeit not a very hyped one.
Yeah, I mean I love it (the batter life and my battery door squeaking for no reason kind if ticks me off though ), but u almost want to get the original Droid (love cyanogen) for the build quality. I don't even care about the keyboard. But yeah, It sucks because the only HTC device anyone knows about is the evo. They really should really launch the Inc.
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I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents
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Yeah man..I was at the store the other day and was telling people to buy the Inc behind sales reps backs ha
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True, battery life kinda sucks, so get a bigger battery. But how many other phones are there out there with all of these ROM choices? Aren't the new phones coming out with locked bootloaders? When will the era of "s-off" Smartphones end? Personally, I think Verizon has seen enough, and they are going to put a stop to ROM hacking & flashing. Perhaps they have gotten smart about replacing bricked phones. If so, the Droid Incredible will be one of the last really decent hackable phones. Oh sure, you may be able to "root" your new phones, but just try to hack an ENCRYPTED bootloader sometime...so that you can flash your own ROM. I think the days of ROM flashing are coming to an end. That's why the Droid Incredible (with s-off) is never going to die.
Well that's what I mean, in xda and in the forums I think the incredible has a long time to go. But in the consumers mind, I feel like its a gonner. Which is a shame.
And if they keep locking boot loaders I might have to switch to webOS, if Palm is still alive by then.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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The problem with tampering with it is obvious, people brick their phones. this of course causes verizon problems which is why they void the warranty. verizon shouldn't have to replace a phone for you because you messed with settings capable of rendering your phone useless. i'm rooted and all but that is just my opinion on it. you can do whatever you want but they aren't responsible for you messing up your own phone.
The law says that you have the rights to mess with your phone without being sued under the DMCA y the manufacturer for reverse engineering, decrypting, etc... the law does not guarantee you the ability or the access to do it, nor that the company has to fix what you broke during the process, just that it's no longer illegal for you to try.
The device has been out for 7 months. I honestly think that the fact that Verizon's still even advertising it is surprising. Normal "life" for a device like this is only a few months.
i think this too, if it wasnt for the AMOLED shortage, the inc could have surpassed any phone Verizon could offer. also, i agree with the fact that verizon doesnt advertise it as much as it should be, the phone has MUCH potential. i think its just verizon's fault :/
When I first got my Incredible a few months back, Verizon was ramping up their advertising campaign for the Droid X. At that time, I don't recall seeing any advertisements for the Inc (in any medium).
Now, all these months later, there are a few commercials for the Inc that I see playing fairly regularly on TV. I haven't paid enough attention to see if stores are also advertising it out front or not.
In any regard, it seems that Verizon is making a push for better public knowledge of this phone. Sure, it will eventually phase out like any other, but based on advertising, that doesn't seem to be the current trend.
I have two friends who recently (within the last two weeks) purchased Incs. One is a very educated consumer, the other barely can tell a phone from her shoes. Not sure what sold her on it, but it seems that they are still being 'pushed' to some degree.
My brother was in the Verizon store last week and commented that they were very short on Incredibles. The sales associate told him that they had recently been selling a lot of them.
Besides the TV ads, I realize that most of what I just said is completely anecdotal. Take it for what it's worth, but I think the Inc still has some time to go.
Of course, you could use all of my same points to make the opposite argument: that they are pushing them hard now so they can clear space for upcoming models (especially for the holiday season).
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I still see commercials for Inc.
I saw a Best Buy Black Friday ad for the Inc.
My uncle came by the house a day or two ago showing off a brand new Inc he got that week.
Nearly every model has it's rise and fall, and I'm fine with that so long as there's a decent community for the DInc that we see advancements in roms and such. MIUI is what I use and it's picking up good theme developers now with the new theming system, so regardless if the phone is losing populatity, there's enough people to provide rich content for a while.
Hi, I have a problem with the G2.
I have in my possession 2 of them, and they appear to be freaking out, the trackball is malfunctioning on both phone, at least that's my 1st impression.
I'd like to know if one of you faces the same issue and/or if there ways to get it fixed.
so to give you an example, when I use the phone it will push randomly all directions (up, down, right, left) and make it a pain in the ass to use the phone.
or when writing commands in the terminal emulator, the phone will randomly write: ^[[A^[[C^[[ ... etc etc and on and on.
do you guys think this is a hardware issue? cause it started 2 days ago, and I bought these 2 phones at the same time basically when the phone was released. (so I guess they are part of the 1st shipments and maybe faulty???)
let me know.
Since they're optical, there was probably some sort of lighting that was interfering with it. Happens to me from time to time...
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Happened randomly to me too when I got this flawled phone and had to exchanged it(luckily was within first two weeks of tmobile phone trial). Now I'm dealing with flimsy structure, this craptastic Z slide feels like two magnets with same polarities facing each other it just won't shut anymore! I'm gonna send it in to htc and ebay this p.o.s.
No offense to htc and htc fan boys but I have learned my lesson, its sad tho because this is my first ever smart phone. I was previously on a samsung highlight with no internet or even email because I was a broke a$$ collage student freezing my fingers off with roommates in the winter saving money on utilities. Not even a month after I renew my contract the nexus s comes out which I wouldn't mind right now if only tmobile mandated their manufacters announce their phones so I can plan my purchase like i had been when I almost got a nexus one.
Carriers don't seam to care whose phone you have--but if it sucks you're options most certainly include leaving the carrier altogether to try something new...at least the iphone band wagon includes most if not all your friends or friends to-be whome you might like to game with. Businesses these days...
Now I'm ready to swing back the other way in the spectrum and go for iphone when it goes out on verizon. Who cares tho right? We're only the exclusive bunch that are stuck with g2 in a g2 only section of xda where no one will hear our plight? Wrong--we're a young generation with money in our hands. I'm 24 years old, i plan to get married now that i'm working and done with school, you better believe my future wife and children will own iphones or whatever else isn't a consumer's nightmare
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I don't care whose phone you have--if it sucks you're options include leaving the carrier altogether to try something new...at least the iphone band wagon includes most if not all your friends or friends to-be whome you might like to game with.
Now I'm ready to swing back the other way in the spectrum and go for iphone when it goes out on verizon. Who cares tho right? We're only the exclusive bunch that are stuck with g2 right? Wrong--I'm 24 years old and getting married next year so you better believe my wife and children will own iphones or whatever else isn't a consumer's nightmare
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You're a fool if you think the iPhone has no flaws ir defective units. My wife's 3GS gets no GPS reception (turns out this is a fairly common issue), a friend had the radio crap out (was dropping all calls and data connections) and had to exchange, and another friend is having major battery issues (and of course the battery is not meant to be accessed on the iPhone). That's about a 30% failure rate in iPhone owners amongst my close friends.
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gentlemen please behave! LOL
yes I'm very disappointed by this, and I'm thinking about offloading the device when I get this fixed. the motorola milestone milestone never let me down, dunno why I didnt get the second version over this one (I think it might because of the release date)
anyway, if more of you guys have any explanation to this situation please feel free to comment ^_^
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You're a fool if you think the iPhone has no flaws. My wife's 3GS gets no GPS reception (turns out this is a fairly common issue), a friend had the radio crap out (was dropping all calls and data connections) and had to exchange, and another friend is having major battery issues (and of course the battery is not meant to be accessed on the iPhone). That's about a 30% failure rate in iPhone owners amongst my close friends.
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And you're a fool for including coverage of at&t along with battery problems with mine and dude who started thread's hardware issues.
I'm sorry you had a hard time with your iphone, I myself think at&t fail hard so I really don't know where you thought I was saying iphone is the best, but get with the program you're comparing iphone 3gs with my supposed iphone4 contender the g2... maybe if you said something about the iphone4 I would care.
As I stated before at least iphone has a huge customer base to be among other things, scared of. on the other hand we get pissed on by android os phone manufacturers in the horse races playing catchup with apple to try and get consumers using droid phones. So I get duped into buying this g2 and nobody gives a damn. Btw this phone went down in price very quickly which goes to say it sucks.
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And you're a fool for including coverage of at&t along with battery problems with mine and dude who started thread's hardware issues.
I'm sorry you had a hard time with your iphone
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You misread, I don't own, and will never own an iPhone.
My friends iPhone radio issue has nothing to do with ATT coverage, which you are again completely misreading (and ATT is actually excellent in my market). Her iPhone worked fine for almost a year, then either the radio software or hardware failed. The issue was completely repeatable at the ATT store. The ATT rep then put her SIM in a different iPhone, and it worked fine. So it was obviously a issue with the phone, not the network.
If you think the iPhone 4 is so much more awesome than the 3GS, you must have slept though Apple's antenna design fail. You should also research the instances of cracks in the supposedly unbreakable (or at least very difficult to break) Gorilla Glass. And the iPhone 4 also has proximity sensor issues.
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Who forced anyone to buy X product? Don't forget that you have a choice. These things are like food. A delicacy to one, is the most unappetizing thing to another. Aren't you glad you can choose which one to buy?
....a little research into what you are buying goes a LONG way
^^Nice first post^^
OP, have you called TMo customer service and asked about the problems your having? I've had nothing but excellent service from them with one small exception that was resolved very quickly. If your still in the buyers remorse (14 day) period they will send out new in the box units or allow you to exchange the phones for something different. If not, they still have a one year warranty, so you can get them replaced....
Hope you get things settled soon....
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^^Nice first post^^
OP, have you called TMo customer service and asked about the problems your having? I've had nothing but excellent service from them with one small exception that was resolved very quickly. If your still in the buyers remorse (14 day) period they will send out new in the box units or allow you to exchange the phones for something different. If not, they still have a one year warranty, so you can get them replaced....
Hope you get things settled soon....
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yeah I think when I get back home next week I will try that, the thing is I don't know how long it might take for them to repair the phones
if they do repair them I will try the milestone II instead.
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yeah I think when I get back home next week I will try that, the thing is I don't know how long it might take for them to repair the phones
if they do repair them I will try the milestone II instead.
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If your out of the remorse period, they will send out replacement units, bare bones so to speak (no battery, SD card, back cover or charger)... In my case they sent them out priority and I had the replacement in three days. You don't return the defective units until the replacement arrives, so no down time.
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yeah I think when I get back home next week I will try that, the thing is I don't know how long it might take for them to repair the phones
if they do repair them I will try the milestone II instead.
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T-Mobile will send you replacements before you send the defective units back. Basically they send you replacements, then you send the old ones back in the same box(es) they delivered them in.
Hope you get your issue resolved....
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If your out of the remorse period, they will send out replacement units, bare bones so to speak (no battery, SD card, back cover or charger)... In my case they sent them out priority and I had the replacement in three days. You don't return the defective units until the replacement arrives, so no down time.
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oh! so should I go to a local store and do that, or should I do it online?
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oh! so should I go to a local store and do that, or should I do it online?
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Dial 611 from your phone and ask for technical support. They'll walk you through it from there.
More importantly, how did you get a g2 with a track ball?
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And you're a fool for including coverage of at&t along with battery problems with mine and dude who started thread's hardware issues.
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Since the battery is built into the phone and cannot be removed, I'd say that counts as a "hardware issue".
Which isn't really the point here.
The point is that faulty devices will always exist, and the more complex the device, the higher the number of faults.
Yes, the iPhone wouldn't have had the issues that you had.
Because the iPhone doesn't have a slide-out keyboard.
Or an optical trackpad.
See?
Follow that line of thinking through, and you're back in featurephone land.
Fact is, smartphones are complex. Manufacturing faults are inevitable. You just got unlucky. Twice. How unlucky? Well, so unlucky that I've never heard of a single other case of this "inverse-polarity-like sliding mechanism".
Doesn't make it a bad phone tho.
Kind of a long read, but here it goes. So last Thursday, for the simple fact that I'm mentally retarded at times I think, I crushed the screen of my Incredible. Since this was the third claim I'd had on my insurance in 3 years, it was dropped and I was well beyond warranty so basically I was left without a phone. I activated an old RAZR just to get me by which, unbeknownst to me, immediately dropped my data plan (grandfathered unlimited). Crap. I scrambled and called VZW customer service only to be told "too bad, so sad" for the most part, well I decided to say screw it and just use the RAZR until the Nexus drops instead of using my upgrade on a phone I didn't really want right now.
Fast forward to Tuesday, I get a call from a VZW CS representative who is doing a follow up (read trying to get me to put the $30 data plan back on before they lost the chance at it) who tells me that, so long as I put a smartphone back on before my next bill (the 30th) they can put the unlimited back on. So starts the decision making process, I really wanted this plan and honestly was going to just use my upgrade for an IP4S (only after hours of scouting CL for a cheap Android and coming up empty) and then sell that when the Nexus dropped and buy the Nexus outright.
Well I went to my local store today and talked over this plan with my rep as well as a few other ideas (such as buying a phone I didn't care about at BB and using their 30 day return window assuming the Nexus drops in the next 30), he tells me to hold on just a second and that he has an idea. Goes to the back, finds an old display Continuum that they are about to return, hands it to me and tells me so long as I give him the sale when the Nexus drops, I can just use the Continuum until then. I was honestly dumbfounded, in all my dealings with VZW (believe me, there's been a lot) they had always done what was right to me in the end, but not without hassle and certainly not by going out of their way for me, so this action really caught me off guard. Talk about earning a customer for life, short of something extraordinarily dramatic in the future, they have me forever. Just thought I'd share this positive story since most aren't that great in the end.
AS far as the Continuum goes, it's honestly surprised the heck out of me. It's still on Eclair because the whole 12 people that actually bought the phone wasn't enough to warrant an upgrade LOL, but it's smooth and extremely responsive honestly for having only 384 MB of RAM (I believe, I don't think it was given the 512 found in the other Galaxy S variants). Far more so than my Incredible was on anything but Gingersense stock and the camera is absolutely in another league despite the 3MP deficit. The ticker display is gimmicky for anything other than music play as far as I'm concerned and I would rather have the extra screen real estate, but other than that I'm extremely pleased with the phone.
That's awesome. I've always had a fantastic time with Verizon too. I love the Big Red. They are awesome. Also, anyone out there will to give up there upgrade so I can get a Galaxy Nexus?
thats awesome man. when/if i get a job for big red, thats how im gonna treat all my customers!
Sounds like you found a good one. We have had a great experience at our Verizon store, but frankly most of the employees suck. You usually tell the ones that won't be very helpful.
Last week I went in and the lady did not even know if they had any android phones with a keyboard. I asked if she knew about any of the new phones coming out and she only knew about the iphone 4s.
I believe they make commission so I don't know why they can be so indifferent.
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Sounds like you found a good one. We have had a great experience at our Verizon store, but frankly most of the employees suck. You usually tell the ones that won't be very helpful.
Last week I went in and the lady did not even know if they had any android phones with a keyboard. I asked if she knew about any of the new phones coming out and she only knew about the iphone 4s.
I believe they make commission so I don't know why they can be so indifferent.
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That was 100% what drove my rep to be so helpful, but at that point, I had no care as far as his ulterior motives were concerned lol, I just wanted my unlimited data back.
That's awesome
Dope employee right there
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Kind of a long read, but here it goes. So last Thursday, for the simple fact that I'm mentally retarded at times I think, I crushed the screen of my Incredible. Since this was the third claim I'd had on my insurance in 3 years, it was dropped and I was well beyond warranty so basically I was left without a phone.
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You can buy a replacement screen on amazon for about $30. I've replaced mine twice.
And more importantly, how did you get them to switch you without using an upgrade? I'm not trying to con a phone out of Sprint or anything, I just don't feel I'm getting what I paid for with my Shift, the flex cable keeps breaking and then I'm stuck with a non-working phone for a week while they order a refurb which I still have to drive to the store and pick up. The manager of my local store told me today that there was absolutely no way for him or any other store to switch me to another device. I called sprint and talked to everyone and there was no way for me to get into another device without making an insurance claim and paying 100 dollar deductible or moving my upgrade up for 105 dollars which would mean another long 2 year wait not to mention still having to purchase a new phone. Asurion offered me an LG Optimus (for 100 dollars?!) and I about lost my temper but kept my cool. So would I would like to know is how did you get Sprint to switch you out for a NS4G. (Retentions?)
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Frustrating process with Sprint ended in them telling me there is no way for me to switch to another phone without paying money, losing my upgrade, or both. Want to know how some people have switched to the NS4G.
5 minutes and I switched back to shift.
I was told the only way a customer gets a different phone, is when they have had their original model replaced a minimum of 4 times... That's what the Sprint store in Fond du Lac, WI and Sheboygan, WI told me...
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Seems like I hear a different thing every sprint employee I talk to. The manager at my local store claimed that 4 days ago an internal memo forbid all store employees from switching customers into any other devices no matter what. When i called in they at least tried (claimed she couldn't get approval to switch me) but ended up offering me a bunch of BS all which involved me spending money and losing my upgrade in November. I guess I'll go get another shift and wait for the flex cable to fail again. *sigh*
Does depend on which Store you go to, and who you speak to. I have great luck with the corporate stores. They always take care of my issue, no mater what it is. But I've gone to regular Sprint dealers, and they just try and run me in circles. I was told by a corporate store that after 3x's they would exchange "most" devices. If the issue, or issues were not customer related.
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Had the Nexus S for a full two days. No way I would trade my Shift for one. Also had the EVO3D almost two days. Same story, the Shift flat out smokes them both IMO .
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Had the Nexus S for a full two days.No way I would trade my Shift for one. Also had the EVO3D almost two days. Same story, the Shift flat out smokes them both IMO .
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Well, I think the only reason to want a nexus s would be for those people that are so adjusted to amoled screens, that anything else actually hurts their eyes. I personally love the shift's Super-LCD display, and am fine with the brightness/battery life ratio. In my opinion, its why I won't get a OG Evo of the 3D, cause pentile is bad (3d) and regular LCD doesn't have as bright of colors (OG Evo)
I am in the same boat. My second shift in a month is on backorder again and they told me they couldn't switch. The first lady i talked to tryed to switch me to the nexus, but wasn't approved. I finally talked to guy that seemed in the know and what pretty nice. he told me they won't switch out phones anymore because too many people were abusing the system and getting different phones all the time. Also, he said the rule about getting a different phone after four has changed since sprint carries the iphone. he said there is too much money wrapped up in the iphones to allow that rule anymore, and they have been told they can't do it. So, you are just stuck with what you have. They ordered my replacement monday and it is still on backorder.
Yep I now have a shift on back order as well, just dandy!
I must of gotten lucky with my shift because I've never once had any of these issues most people talk about on these forums...like many others have said, there is not too many phones that are like or just as good as the shift. When it comes time for me to upgrade I might just tell sprint there is no phones I want to upgrade to until they make another htc slider phone.
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I must of gotten lucky with my shift because I've never once had any of these issues most people talk about on these forums...like many others have said, there is not too many phones that are like or just as good as the shift. When it comes time for me to upgrade I might just tell sprint there is no phones I want to upgrade to until they make another htc slider phone.
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100% with you on that. Never have any of my phones have given me any problems although i am on my second shift but thats cause my first one decided to go swimming in a lake after i did my very first flash to CM7 lol
The most common problem with the shift is the flex cable... If you think about it, it should be expected, with users constantly opening and closing the keyboard... I love my shift... I wont be upgrading soon because sprint doesnt have any phones I'm interested in... I just wish they had a better design for the flex cable, at least so it lasts 2 years...
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I love the shift too. my flex cable has broken twice in two months. my problem is i just don't like going this long without a phone.
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The most common problem with the shift is the flex cable... If you think about it, it should be expected, with users constantly opening and closing the keyboard... I love my shift... I wont be upgrading soon because sprint doesnt have any phones I'm interested in... I just wish they had a better design for the flex cable, at least so it lasts 2 years...
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Most definately agree with that . But I think they do it for planned obsolescence. Otherwise most people would just keep the phone for a longer time. Which is definately not what they want. But the cable is easy enough to fix.
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Most definately agree with that . But I think they do it for planned obsolescence. Otherwise most people would just keep the phone for a longer time. Which is definately not what they want. But the cable is easy enough to fix.
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Oh believe me I plan on keeping this bad boy as long as possible! There's a flaw to your planned obsolescence theory, the stuff breaks way before they plan and ends up costing them way too much money in the end. I think it's more of a engineering design fail if anything, but so far so good here, no hardware failures...
Same here no issues, knock on wood. But a lot of times when you go in the "Tech" ( who knows less about the phone than we do ) tries to tell you that it's something you did wrong. Had a Tech try to tell a friend of mine with a Virgin, untouched, unrooted, two month old Shift. That the reason his screen went out was because he was trying to root the phone. I looked him dead in the Eyes, and said your full of it. Then handed him my phone running SS v9, and asked him if it was rooted. He looks at it for a second then says I'd have to test it first . But yes your correct, an engineering glitch can cost them money in the long run.
the only issue i have with my shift is that the hinges are a little bit lose, but i guess that comes from usage
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The most common problem with the shift is the flex cable... If you think about it, it should be expected, with users constantly opening and closing the keyboard... I love my shift... I wont be upgrading soon because sprint doesnt have any phones I'm interested in... I just wish they had a better design for the flex cable, at least so it lasts 2 years...
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Agreed 10000%. But the repair guy I was talking to also said the quality of the Shift and HTC as a company has gone down. He has been repairing way more HTC than Samsung devices as of late. If Samsung makes a new slider, I'm on it.
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Agreed 10000%. But the repair guy I was talking to also said the quality of the Shift and HTC as a company has gone down. He has been repairing way more HTC than Samsung devices as of late. If Samsung makes a new slider, I'm on it.
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You would wait forever for official updates though :/ only reason why i won't/can't switch to them
Couldn't do another Samsung . The last one almost got thrown out the window, literaly. I'm stuck on HTC .
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Couldn't do another Samsung . The last one almost got thrown out the window, literaly. I'm stuck on HTC .
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I agree...
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