Do you think that SAMSUNG will upgrade GS2 to ANDROID 4 when will be available in Q4 2011 ?
Yes. One of the things to come out of Google I/O this year was a commitment from the big manufacturers to support Android updates for a defined period of time (obviously, hardware dependent).
Ye i reckon so. Even if there are hardware requirements, the SGS2 will definately be up to scratch. I have heard the 4.0 will adjust to the hardware anyway so it shouldn't be a problem either way.
The official Google policy is that all phones will qualify for updates up to 18 months from launch date .Providing the hardware is compatible .Samsung have agreed to this .
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Android 4? Still haven't gotten the 2.3.4, and Android 4.0, and that in Q4 this year? Am I reading it right?
ithehappy said:
Android 4? Still haven't gotten the 2.3.4, and Android 4.0, and that in Q4 this year? Am I reading it right?
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In case you are thinking "4.0 is too fast because we haven't gotten 3.0 yet", 3.0 is Honeycomb and a Tablet only release. 4.0 is Ice Cream Sandwich and is supposed to unify both Tablets and Smartphones.
Anyway, version numbers by themselves mean nothing since they are arbitrary values given by humans. For example, Firefox 4 came out not too long ago and we have 5.0 now.
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In case you are thinking "4.0 is too fast because we haven't gotten 3.0 yet", 3.0 is Honeycomb and a Tablet only release. 4.0 is Ice Cream Sandwich and is supposed to unify both Tablets and Smartphones
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Yea I know that. Just didn't know that there weren't any version in between 2.3.4 and 4!
Hoping to get it ASAP on my phone!
It is rumored to be a really great change!
And even if samsung don't, which they should, cm or someone else will!
I am sure the specs are upto par, that's one of the reasons why I chose this phone!
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Next version of Android will have onscreen keys and hardware keys will be unsupported, just like on Honecomb.
So even if Samsung updates SGS2, we'll be left with a useless hardware home key and screen space will be lost for software keys.
Phones that run the next version of Android will be designed for that, with no hardware keys and extra screen space for the soft keys. On older phones like SGS2, it'll just look silly.
aydc said:
Next version of Android will have onscreen keys and hardware keys will be unsupported, just like on Honecomb.
So even if Samsung updates SGS2, we'll be left with a useless hardware home key and screen space will be lost for software keys.
Phones that run the next version of Android will be designed for that, with no hardware keys and extra screen space for the soft keys. On older phones like SGS2, it'll just look silly.
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/me reckons that should be easy enough to sort out... I'd bet that either
- existing phones get support for hard-keys
- Samsung codes their own support for the keys, in order to keep their customers happy.
THEY WILL. They wouldn't haveput 1GB of RAM in this phone, unless they wanted it to have a "shelf-life" of more than a year. It probably won't be fully supported (because 4.0 is rumoured to to be for 720p displays and whatnot) but it will definitely be supported.
Android isn't like iOS, where as soon as the next version comes out, the older ones are immediately made obsolete. It's much more versatile than that.
And although it will be built around no hardware keys...it can't be completely built without them taken into consideration! What happens to volume keys and the lock button? The three buttons almost every single (if not every single one) Android handset has...
It'll be a similar situation to the one at the moment. The SII is released, and the S1 is given Gingerbread because it's still very popular. The S2 is more so, so I rekon at the release of the S3, we'll also get Android 4.0
SO excited. It's what android needs to continue eating away at the stupid domination of iOS/Apple.
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/me reckons that should be easy enough to sort out... I'd bet that either
- existing phones get support for hard-keys
- Samsung codes their own support for the keys, in order to keep their customers happy.
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It's easy to put something in the kernel to support the hardware home key like you say, but what about the multitasking key in Honeycomb which'll likely be in the next version too? There's no key in SGS2 for that... That'll have to stay on the screen and take precious screen space, probably together with soft home and back keys... Not to mention the even for today low SGS2 screen resolution.. Next version of Android on 800x480? Forget it...
It'll probably work, but it'll be silly... You'll want to get a new phone that is designed specifically for that...
Not to mention the hardware acceleration features that'll be coming which current hardware likely doesn't support. Like, Honeycomb seems to only work on Tegra. I don't know if it'll run on current version of Exynos used in SGS2...
So not only will it look silly, it'll probably run slow too.. We'll all want to get a new phone for the new OS.. That's what these things are designed for, to make money magically disapper from our pockets and appear in their pockets...
Remap one of the hardware keys to the multitasking key.
And as far as slow, i would hope that a dual core 1.2ghz cortex A9 would deal with it! The gig of ram will help.
And as far as hardware acceleration, i would think that google will expand the support to more than just tegra, that's half the point.
Honeycomb is just a limited stopgap as gingerbread would be awful on tablets!
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We'll just have to wait and see. If it all relies on missing hardware buttons then maybe Android 4.0 won't be fully compatible with SII, but if that's not the case, i'm sure SII will be upgraded to Android 4.0. If it won't be fully functional then i wouldn't want it on my SII just for the purpose of bragging that i can run a crippled Android 4.0 on my device. I'd stay with Gingerbread or buy a native Android 4.0 device.
I wonder if it's possible to port Honeycomb onto SGS II...
I mean it does have the Specs to pull it off.
kinda off topic, but this is the best (and most useful) place to ask this.
What exactly OR IS rumoured/expected in this Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich update?
I know it's meant to be a
- Big one that integrates 2.3.4 and 3.0.
- Rumours of hardware acceleration?
What else that's "big" or what new features are expected to be in this 4.0 update?!!??!?!
Everything in this thread is here-say. Where are your google release documents proving on-screen keys? Let me guess, your cousin's, uncle, brother has a buddy who knows the janitor at google right?
No one here knows what 4.0 will entail. Unless you work for Android team and are leaking stuff out.
So please stop posting crap, unless it is factual. Oh wait I forgot its the internet, everything is true.
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I wonder if it's possible to port Honeycomb onto SGS II...
I mean it does have the Specs to pull it off.
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Short answer is yes, our phone is way more than capable to run Honeycomb without any issues. I run it on my Nook Color (which's hardware is not even close at all to the SGS2) and it runs great.
Long answer is no, you won't be able to use it correctly since you would have to build and compile drivers yourself and then integrate them into HC (unless you find the drivers from a similar model, but good luck with that one).
On top of that, you won't want to do that since there's no phone application on HC (maybe on the 3G models, but there's not such a thing in the WiFi only models and neither on the HC SDK).
And yes, I'm sure we'll get ICS on our SGS2, it would not make sense at all not to get it on such a powerful phone.
All I can say is that if it won't be on SGS2 because of it rendering hardware buttons obsolete, then it basically won't be on ANY current phone.
As usual though, the rumour mills will be working overtime with pointless and unprovable statements like that. You'll have to wait and see.
And for what its worth, I definitely believe the SGS2 will get it (and possibly even the SGS1). Remember that no two android phones are ever the same in terms of OS anyway.
Edited to add: might not be Q4 but it will definitely get it.
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Based on the last CES Archos launched their Archos 101 Home tablet. Archos Home tablet edition has a much lower specs compared to Archos Internet tablet edition but in the video provided at Archosfans.com it says that it has support to Gingerbread and Future Version of android.
Does this mean that the Current Archos 101IT edition can still be upgrade to those version of android?
Any thoughts in thi matter???
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Of course it can be upgraded to the newer OS version. The big question is will Archos actually do it. I'm really hoping they will but won't be surprised if they don't.
if archos won't upgrade our A101IT maybe others can make custom roms? have any of you seen or heard if one is under development?
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if archos won't upgrade our A101IT maybe others can make custom roms? have any of you seen or heard if one is under development?
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No one has mentioned making a Gingerbread ROM.
i stumbled upon a video on youtube. the video is captured at last weeks CES.
in the video they ask the guy if honeycomb will be on the tablet. he says "uh yah"
he also mentions how full flash capability will be available by end of month.
check out the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9gt9x4tM5g
lol. Not much of a commitment. Plus, this is the same crew that tried to say that the 7 Home Tablet is a Gen8 tablet. So, I think I will not be holding my breath on this one.
What do you think about 256 RAM issue? I suppose that 2.3 (even 3.0) could be run on 101IT, however, it may work very slow!
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What do you think about 256 RAM issue? I suppose that 2.3 (even 3.0) could be run on 101IT, however, it may work very slow!
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Won't know until we try. They said the same thing about Froyo until it was running on devices that had 256MB.
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Won't know until we try. They said the same thing about Froyo until it was running on devices that had 256MB.
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Oh, I see. Didn't know.
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Won't know until we try. They said the same thing about Froyo until it was running on devices that had 256MB.
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Exactly. We get into a Windows and Mac mindset but Android is different from those systems in that each progressive version gets a little better at using system resources, not worse so you don't always have to upgrade the hardware to run the new software. My original MyTouch phone with a 600 ghz processor and 128 mb of memory runs much smoother on froyo than it ever did on donut or eclair.
That said, there are diminishing returns and Honeycomb is really a major step up in terms of functionality so I am not holding my breath that Archos will take the time to upgrade considering they will be probably be putting out new devices by then. I love my A70 but I sort of look at it like an early adopter type device to see how useful the form factor for me (it is...I have an hour to 90 minute commute and it is perfect).
I plan to upgrade and maybe even get a contract (yikes!) for a honeycomb tablet later this year. I would never consider $275 chump change but if I can use it for 8 months to a year and then sell it for $100-150 to put toward an upgrade, I would be happy.
I considered the Galaxy Tab but a 2 year contract on this generation of devices is a bad move in my opinion.
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Exactly. We get into a Windows and Mac mindset but Android is different from those systems in that each progressive version gets a little better at using system resources, not worse so you don't always have to upgrade the hardware to run the new software. My original MyTouch phone with a 600 ghz processor and 128 mb of memory runs much smoother on froyo than it ever did on donut or eclair.
That said, there are diminishing returns and Honeycomb is really a major step up in terms of functionality so I am not holding my breath that Archos will take the time to upgrade considering they will be probably be putting out new devices by then. I love my A70 but I sort of look at it like an early adopter type device to see how useful the form factor for me (it is...I have an hour to 90 minute commute and it is perfect).
I plan to upgrade and maybe even get a contract (yikes!) for a honeycomb tablet later this year. I would never consider $275 chump change but if I can use it for 8 months to a year and then sell it for $100-150 to put toward an upgrade, I would be happy.
I considered the Galaxy Tab but a 2 year contract on this generation of devices is a bad move in my opinion.
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600 ghz? Wouldn't your phone explode?
no - but the battery does not last very l
i hope they do make an upgrade, but they might wait until honeycomb cause its supposed to be for tablets or something
i thought better be hoping to the developers to made the gingerbread rom than hoping the archos team made it
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600 ghz? Wouldn't your phone explode?
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I connect it to several dozen multi core server blades. It does cut down on portability however.
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I connect it to several dozen multi core server blades. It does cut down on portability however.
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But I imagine it does wonders for your Angry Birds scores....
i'd think if you go the SDE route and boot android from SD that the community would update it even if archos doesnt.
Just wondrering if the Archos 101it will get a Gingerbread update soon as I have seen this for a Arnova 10.1
"Archos Arnova 10" G2 4GB Tablet
Arnova introduces its next generation of AndroidTM based tablets powered by a super fast 1 GHz processor. This second generation comes with an ultra-responsive multitouch capacitive screen and optimised AndroidTM 2.3 Gingerbread operating system. This smart combination between high performance hardware and intuitive software will offer you many ways to use your tablet. "
from this source
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=228;16;-1;-1;-1&sku=262520
The unit in the picture looks just like a 101it
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Just wondrering if the Archos 101it will get a Gingerbread update soon as I have seen this for a Arnova 10.1
"Archos Arnova 10" G2 4GB Tablet
Arnova introduces its next generation of AndroidTM based tablets powered by a super fast 1 GHz processor. This second generation comes with an ultra-responsive multitouch capacitive screen and optimised AndroidTM 2.3 Gingerbread operating system. This smart combination between high performance hardware and intuitive software will offer you many ways to use your tablet. "
from this source
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=228;16;-1;-1;-1&sku=262520
The unit in the picture looks just like a 101it
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We`ll never get official GB or HC
we`ve ported GB, but HC we cant port, we dont have the sources
I still have hope for Ice Cream Sandwich
Lenn said:
We`ll never get official GB or HC
we`ve ported GB, but HC we cant port, we dont have the sources
I still have hope for Ice Cream Sandwich
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What are the differences in the two devices? Other than the storage size they seem to be the same
Arnova also list the rom as a seperate download from
http://arnovatech.com/support/updates.html
Looking at website the specs seem very close on the G2 vs 101it
http://arnovatech.com/products/g2/arn_10/specs.html?country=gb&lang=en
http://store.archos.com/archos-internet-tablet-p-5005.html
From a Dutch site: http://www.tabletguide.nl/5393/samsung-galaxy-tab-krijgt-gingerbread-update/
Basically it says that Samsung employees in Germany have spread out the word that the Tab will get a Gingerbread update.... eventually (that is, they didn't mention when)
Let the FW leaks silently begin
That's not good news to me, I have a tablet, I want Honeycomb!
Lol. A firmware update is always good to me. Hopefully we'll get at least either.
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2.4
Gingerbread is basically the same as froyo. The only real improvement is making the text selecting more intuitive. I want the api from honeycomb, for dual pane applications and the new 3d interface.
So that means either honeycomb or 2.4. For me 2.4 is probably better, since I will meanly be using the tab as a phone with a tablet profile.
So Sammy, please give us 2.4 and not just 2.3.
yes, nothing to write home about
if you want 2.3 go get the cm7 beta from the dev section
what i want is a honeycomb port
It is a good thing, because of possibly updated drivers we can use in a Honeycomb port
Don't know if I want a honeycomb port. What I want is a performance improvement and Gingerbread is such an improvement. The JIT compiler is optimized again (like it was the case with froyo) and there is a concurrent garbage collector for better memory management.
If honeycomb is even faster (for a non dual core device) yes than I want honeycomb. And as for the beta build, I rather wait for a beta of the 2.4 Frankenstein build LoL
Furthermore, if Samsung is committing itself to an upgrade, this means the tab won't become obsolete when other new 7" tablets hit the market, like for example the Flyer. It means that they have plans to stay on top of this segment, which is great. Maybe they will also improve the built in Samsung software, like for example the browser and the mail app. So no buzz, but rather the real thing for me
I'd be happy enough to see Gingerbread arrive (the CM7 beta on here is unfortunately a long way from being a stable release). Not so sure about Honeycomb. That's specifically for tablets without hardware buttons. Would seem out of place on the Tab - which let's be honest is a lot closer to a phone than a tablet, despite being awesome at that. I think Samsung will skip Honeycomb and head for the release that combines Honeycomb UI and phone functionality. Whatever happens, it'll be nice if Samsung supports the device with OS updates for at least a year.
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I'd be happy enough to see Gingerbread arrive (the CM7 beta on here is unfortunately a long way from being a stable release). Not so sure about Honeycomb. That's specifically for tablets without hardware buttons. Would seem out of place on the Tab - which let's be honest is a lot closer to a phone than a tablet, despite being awesome at that. I think Samsung will skip Honeycomb and head for the release that combines Honeycomb UI and phone functionality. Whatever happens, it'll be nice if Samsung supports the device with OS updates for at least a year.
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I think it's relatively easy to map the galaxy Tabs hardware buttons to the software functionality as soon as the source goes AOSP
Then we can get rid of the software buttons too... boom! perfect!
I hope the new launcher doesn't eat up too much performance
and I fudging want GTalk with video support!
I'm not so sure but can't we port Samsung galaxay s gingerbread to tab
Yay for gingerbread/icecream/icecream sandwich! (or whatever it's called these days) This is comforting news at least, knowing that they are not ditching the smaller device in favor of the shiny new 8.9 and 10 inch models..
Good news, but I want Honeycomb!
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I'm not so sure but can't we port Samsung galaxay s gingerbread to tab
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I've read that the galaxy tab and galaxy line of phones have similar hardware... makes me think that new versions of android that are released for the phones could potentially work on our tabs.
not sure though, and im not a dev.. but i'd love some fresh official sgt firmware releases before samsung stops supporting the tab
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and i fudging want gtalk with video support! :d
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The Xoom (USA Wifi version) users are having their official 3.2 updates OTA now!
http://tablets-planet.com/2011/07/1...arts-to-arrive-for-some-wi-fi-motorola-xooms/
Where is ours?
I dont even have the 3.1 update for my 10.1v.
Haha
You do realize this is Samsung we are talking about?
It usually takes months if not years for them to generally fix major bugs on their devices. Same for pushing firmware updates...
Sad but this is how it is.
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Haha
You do realize this is Samsung we are talking about?
It usually takes months if not years for them to generally fix major bugs on their devices. Same for pushing firmware updates...
Sad but this is how it is.
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You also realize that samsung has really stepped up their game with both quality and service?
No, we may not see 3.2 officially from samsung this month, but i bet we see a leak of it before the end of august.
Xoom is also Google's flagship HC tablet so obviously they'll always get the latest updates first. Give it time. Maybe we'll have our 3.2 by the time ICS is out
Wait for Touchwiz before Android 3.2
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You also realize that samsung has really stepped up their game with both quality and service?
No, we may not see 3.2 officially from samsung this month, but i bet we see a leak of it before the end of august.
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Samsung is doing amazing job in hardware development. They really do but for software support the company simply s*cks.
For example Galaxy S is almost a year and a half old. This device sold more than 10 million units worldwide is one of the most successful smartphone ever and believe it or not it's still waiting to get Gingerbread.
And this is only one example. Almost every Samsung Android phone out there is suffering the same issue. Actually all with the exceptions of Nexus S and Nexus S 4G and that because Google itself is handling the software and pushing updates on those devices.
To make things worst Samsung will push the TouchWiz UI very soon. Which means now they have to make sure Touch UI is compatible with the latest Android version which take even more time. They always take their time to ensure compatibility with their stupid TouchWiz and they ALWAYS end up with extremely buggy results.
As for an early leak, what is the point of getting a beta software to an already buggy device?
If for any reason you believe that Galaxy Tab 10.1 will be an exception for Samsung, please feel free to share. I really like to know it.
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Xoom is also Google's flagship HC tablet so obviously they'll always get the latest updates first. Give it time. Maybe we'll have our 3.2 by the time ICS is out
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That's pretty much the case.
Now that TW is coming. No way we'll see 3.2 anytime soon. Not a chance with Samsungs history.
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Samsung is doing amazing job in hardware development. They really do but for software support the company simply s*cks.
For example Galaxy S is almost a year and a half old. This device sold more than 10 million units worldwide is one of the most successful smartphone ever and believe it or not it's still waiting to get Gingerbread.
And this is only one example. Almost every Samsung Android phone out there is suffering the same issue. Actually all with the exceptions of Nexus S and Nexus S 4G and that because Google itself is handling the software and pushing updates on those devices.
To make things worst Samsung will push the TouchWiz UI very soon. Which means now they have to make sure Touch UI is compatible with the latest Android version which take even more time. They always take their time to ensure compatibility with their stupid TouchWiz and they ALWAYS end up with extremely buggy results.
As for an early leak, what is the point of getting a beta software to an already buggy device?
If for any reason you believe that Galaxy Tab 10.1 will be an exception for Samsung, please feel free to share. I really like to know it.
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I would disagree somewhat. The Galaxy S has been upgraded to Gingerbread on European versions of the phone. While updates for phones in the past have been lagging I would view that Samsung has taken a new approach as of late. The majority of the phones released around the same time period as the Galaxy S line have not received the Gingerbread update either. I would respond to you and ask for another cell phone manufacturer who is doing it better? Also besides zoom to fit (which spare parts will fix) there's not much benefit of 3.2 for us. The update adds zoom to fit, finally enables SD cards on the Xoom, and is more optimized to fit on 7" tablets i.e. 7-inch Huawei MediaPad.
As for Touchwiz I felt V3 was in need of much work (it does appear to be revamped a tad and smoother on the latest Fascinate GB leak) however V4 on the SGII has me sold on it being the default launcher on my phone. It is butter smooth and I love how it is laid out. If you were to poll the majority of Android users on XDA I would wager over 75% are unhappy with their stock manufacturer's launcher. I am looking forward to what Samsung will bring to the table.
I myself believe that Honeycomb is still very "beta-ish" in its current state. It was rushed and is extremely buggy. I think releasing the source code would help immensely as devs could iron out bugs (which they nicely do for Google now on the phone side). However, I do not believe it will be released before a transition into Ice Cream Sandwich.
Forget 3.2, are us 10.1v users even going to see 3.1???
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Forget 3.2, are us 10.1v users even going to see 3.1???
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There's a HC 3.1 ROM by seo available in the 10.1v section - incl. TouchWiz.
Dont know
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Itaintrite said:
Xoom is also Google's flagship HC tablet so obviously they'll always get the latest updates first. Give it time. Maybe we'll have our 3.2 by the time ICS is out
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This sounds about right. Especially the "maybe."
seems like 3.2 is just about 7 or 8 inch tablet support so don't sweat that.
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seems like 3.2 is just about 7 or 8 inch tablet support so don't sweat that.
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It's not just about smaller screen tablets. It brings some small bug fixes also:
There is no lag on up side down home screen. Portrait is also better but not much.
Browser seems a little faster and typing a message on XDA doesn't lag as bad as it did on 3.1
I was also planning to buy SGT, but now I'm not sure anymore. I don't want to wait for updates. In this regard, the US Xoom is the best tablet. Only downside is that the US 3G version doesn't work in Europe and i want a tablet with 3G connectivity.
I got the update(wifi Only). Any one have a clue how to access it? Or make Sgt use it? The SD card i mean..lol
There isn't a 3.2 update for Galaxy Tab, and there is no SD card either. Troll somewhere else
I've been a forum reader/poster for over 20 years. Seen many things and read many posts. I know trolls and I know funny.
It's safe to say that the threads that I've read on the XDA forums have the most people with lack of sense of humor than any I've been a part of.
Why is that?
I didn't think it was funny... It was a clear troll post.
Could the 10.1 run 3.2 from the Zoom, or does it have to be made specifically for the Samsung 10.1?
Because supposedly reverse landscape and portrait mode performance are improved, near regular landscape performance.
Thanks for making my point.
I reaaly hope we will be first again for honeycomb updates.
We will get it. How fast depends on model. The wifi will be the first to have it most likely with the 4g version getting 4 to 6 weeks later after Verizon gives it the OK. How long the delay between announcement and push is up to Motorola and how long they have been working with it. If past performance is any indicator then at least two other tablets will have it before we do.
I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Let me just consult my magic 8 ball...
jerses said:
I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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The source code WILL be made available. Rubin said so in the past, when pointed out that HC sources were MIA, and he explained the reason for it, saying at the same time that Android sources will be again public once they reunify the 2.x and 3.x platforms into a cleaner, multi-devices software base.
Keep in mind that it's not just the OS based on the open source code that makes the tablet. Look at all those cheap Android 2.1/2.2 tablets - one of the things they often lack is access to the Android Market (in addition to using resistive screens, low performance SoCs, etc...). I suspect that you have to pay a license to Google to be allowed to bundle Google apps such as the official Android Market (someone might confirm this for me). This is where a major player like Samsung or Asus will distinguish itself from your average inexpensive Chinese-made tablet.
So, no reason at all for Google to refuse to distribute the code. Don't forget that the fact it's open-sourced is one of the main reasons behind its popularity.
So in the end, I'm fairly confident the Xoom will get ICS. If not from Morotola, then through unofficial builds from the public repository, like Cyanogen does for phones under 2.x.
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anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Same day brah
Motorola Xoom to be first Ice Cream Sandwich tablet? http://goo.gl/611fi Shared with APPY Geek (http://www.appy-geek.com
hopefully this rumor is true
Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high. Which tablets got 3.1 first? Which received 3.2 first? There's your answer.
Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
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S.Meezy said:
Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
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You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
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>Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high.
The Xoom isn't an official reference device, and it isn't a refdev for ICS. My guess is that ICS update will come from your friendly custom ROM sooner than from Moto-Goog, as else the new FamilyEd Xoom will need to be updated as well, which probably won't happen any time soon given its new low-end status. Prioritizing and differentiation will mean the focus of development will be on the Xoom2 toys. That's how it has always worked.
The good news is that with ICS hitting AOS, custom ROMs will get better, sooner. In tandem with the above, there'll be more reasons for you to go offroad with ICS, if you haven't already.
>You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
If reports are true, LTE mod will eat up more juice and reduce operating hours.
I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
iammodo said:
I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
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It has been this way for the US Xoom. Until now, Google has been the one who has pushed updates for US Xoom, so there is hope we will get ICS at some point, but i don't believe it's going to happen today. The reference SoC for ICS is TI OMAP, so it doesn't look good for our Tegra powered Xooms.
>I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Apple isn't that different. Old toys don't get the new-fangled Siri thingie.
The 2nd-gen of Android tabs (mostly OMAP4) are only marginally better than the Teg2 hardware wise. ICS will be the big selling point. Differentiation means you don't let old toys have the same functions as the new, as that defeats the purpose of selling new toys.
Speaking of new toys, I like the MotoACTV. The first wearable (and likely hackable) Android device. It would be neat if one can shoehorn a full-fledged Android distro in there. Display is tiny, probably 320x240, but good enough for niche uses. Pricing is outrageous, but it'll drop soon enough.
no release date for ics....just for the nexus on november
they did release the SDK today tho !!!! gonna play with it now
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I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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actually the Source Code is already on AOSP's website for developers.
pardon my ignorance but sdk is good for making roms or just to make apps for it...or just to release hacks for other platforms like 3.2.2 ,etc. i just know its good lol but dont know what good it can be.
With the Galaxy Nexus not being released until sometime in November I think we may be waiting until December for an official release. Hope the devs can pull a rabbit out of a hat.
SDK could bring us a release but hardware acceleration is unlikely until we see the official release.
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I just found information that the unveiling of the new Jelly Bean 5.0 will be in Q2, so when we get 4.0 it is going to be already old and I doubt that we will get the update to 5.0
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Jelly Bean will fokus Tablet-devices. Have you ever seen a mobile running HoneyComb? HC was also built for tablets. I think JellyBean won´t gain the user experience on a mobile. Google advertise the JB functions with "dualboot with windows 8 - due to implemented chrome os". I don´t really think that it would hit our Notes. Beside from that point, would you use your Note with small density but with a tablet os as a daily driver?!
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I just found information that the unveiling of the new Jelly Bean 5.0 will be in Q2, so when we get 4.0 it is going to be already old and I doubt that we will get the update to 5.0
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Given that hardly any applications are available specifically for ICS yet, yet alone an unavailable future version, I personally don't see this as an issue.
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Jelly Bean will fokus Tablet-devices. Have you ever seen a mobile running HoneyComb? HC was also built for tablets. I think JellyBean won´t gain the user experience on a mobile. Google advertise the JB functions with "dualboot with windows 8 - due to implemented chrome os". I don´t really think that it would hit our Notes. Beside from that point, would you use your Note with small density but with a tablet os as a daily driver?!
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I probably won't. I actually like the mobile OS on my mobile phone, regardless of the screen resolution and size.
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Jelly Bean will fokus Tablet-devices. Have you ever seen a mobile running HoneyComb? HC was also built for tablets. I think JellyBean won´t gain the user experience on a mobile. Google advertise the JB functions with "dualboot with windows 8 - due to implemented chrome os". I don´t really think that it would hit our Notes. Beside from that point, would you use your Note with small density but with a tablet os as a daily driver?!
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Why would google release a tablet OS after merging both lines rather successfully? And I do use my Note with ICS tablet mode as daily driver.
Also, we'll probably see Jelly Bean phones come out after a while, ICS was previewed in May 2011 but was released in November.
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Beside from that point, would you use your Note with small density but with a tablet os as a daily driver?!
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I was looking forward to use it that way ever since I bought the note. Then I finally had the chance to try imilka's aosp ics in tablet mode. It was like a dream come true at first but then I noticed letters look so small making it unpractical as a daily driver. My new dream is to be able to use the phone as it is in high resolution w/ big letters but apps to be opened in tablet resolution by choice.
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as mnetioned Jb will be tablet only and i also seen quite early release but Q3 .. not earlier
Truth be told, we don't know that yet. Let google first announce it then we can speculate if it'll come or not.
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Jelly Bean will fokus Tablet-devices. Have you ever seen a mobile running HoneyComb? HC was also built for tablets. I think JellyBean won´t gain the user experience on a mobile. Google advertise the JB functions with "dualboot with windows 8 - due to implemented chrome os". I don´t really think that it would hit our Notes. Beside from that point, would you use your Note with small density but with a tablet os as a daily driver?!
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ICS was made to bridge the gap between tablet and phone...there is no way they will split the two again.
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as mnetioned Jb will be tablet only and i also seen quite early release but Q3 .. not earlier
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But where is the logic? Google makes Honeycomb, and it fails big time (let's be honest guys, it did) so they make ICS which will unify Android again and it will run on both phones and tablets. A part of the fragmentation is gone.
But not for long..
Jelly Bean! Lets do the same mistake again.
I'm sorry, but no. They can't be that dumb. Android releases a new version of the OS every year. I guess we'll get a preview of JB at Google I/O, and it'll get released sooner this year, like last year. By releasing a tablet-only OS, the phone OS will be lagging behind.
It's bull****.
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Jelly Bean! Lets do the same mistake again.
I'm sorry, but no. They can't be that dumb. Android releases a new version of the OS every year. I guess we'll get a preview of JB at Google I/O, and it'll get released sooner this year, like last year. By releasing a tablet-only OS, the phone OS will be lagging behind.
It's bull****.
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Sounds perfectly logical to me.
As ics is an update to the phone software, namely GB, and honeycomb hasnt had an updated version as yet it seems likely that Jellybean would be tablet focused, although it is possible to install it, its not going to have the comms requirements to be able to use the note as anything else but a tablet.
I hope android 5.0 is for phones, but i seriously doubt that google would release 2 major versions of their os within such a short period of time when ics is going to be concentrated on for a long time to come, so back to the start of the post, i think hes right, 5.0 will likely be for tablets, which is great news, honeycomb is really nice on the tablet, but to get an update would be awesome.
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As ics is an update to the phone software, namely GB, and honeycomb hasnt had an updated version as yet it seems likely that Jellybean would be tablet focused
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First of all, yes, ICS is just as much an update to HC. There is nothing phone-specific about it and as should be fairly obvious, there's plenty of tablet available with ICS nowadays. Secondly, no, Google went to great lengths to unify both the tablet version of Android and the phone version of it, they won't start breaking the unification again.
I hope android 5.0 is for phones, but i seriously doubt that google would release 2 major versions of their os within such a short period of time when ics is going to be concentrated on for a long time to come
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As said, Google shot itself in the foot by separating phone and tablet versions of Android. ICS was the first step in unifying them. The plan has always been to do a new major version once a year and obviously ICS was last-year.
, so back to the start of the post, i think hes right, 5.0 will likely be for tablets, which is great news, honeycomb is really nice on the tablet, but to get an update would be awesome.
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Install ICS on your tablet then. There is absolutely nothing stopping you.
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Google advertise the JB functions with "dualboot with windows 8 - due to implemented chrome os".
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No, they don't. That's unsubstantiated fanboy-rumour. There is no way of dual-booting Windows 8 and another OS unless Microsoft specifically allows it for several reasons: Windows 8 requires the system to have SecureBoot enabled and not disableable and that Microsoft will not sell the ARM-version of Windows 8 to anyone else than official Microsoft-partners.
Go ahead and google a bit, read about SecureBoot and you'll see already why that is just a rumour.
JellyBean will possibly have dual-boot, yes, but it won't support Win8; it'll be for booting between Android and ChromeOS, and possibly Linux.
Honeycomb was a band-aid release to give manufacturers an OS that ran semi-decently on tablets as the existing 2.x releases wouldn't scale properly and were completely unsuitable (didn't stop some manufacturers using it though, e.g. the original Galaxy Tab).
There's some info as well as the usual assortment of blind speculation in this article: http://www.techradar.com/news/softw...-things-we-want-to-see-in-android-5-0-1036013
Also info from a press conference regarding how ICS will unify the tablet & phone UI's: http://blogs.nvidia.com/2012/01/nvi...ice-cream-sandwich-to-unify-android-platform/
Unless Google would like to commit OS-suicide, there is no waythey would release a separate version for "larger" devices at this stage. The "fragmentation" issue is bad enough as it is without them back pedalling, there will only be one combined Android OS for all devices from ICS onwards.
Regardless though, odds of the Note getting Jellybean via an official release is basically nil. I for one won't care, by the time it'd be likely to actually be available I'll probably have a newer device anyway.
Yeah as linked above, google publicly stated they are merging tablet and phone OS into a single code base and ICS would be it. Sure enough we got ICS just like they said. Not in a million years are they gonna fork suddenly. They flat out said so.
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Yeah as linked above, google publicly stated they are merging tablet and phone OS into a single code base and ICS would be it. Sure enough we got ICS just like they said. Not in a million years are they gonna fork suddenly. They flat out said so.
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Certainly hope so my friend, it is good news indeed if they are concentrating on one solid sytem for all devices, that would be awesome, although, i wont Knock Honeycomb and ive never updated from it because like so many others i need stability and have feared venturing into the unknown abyss so far, honeycomb is great software and works well enough so im not too worried, once ics official is released then i will have a look at it.
But yer thanks for all the feedback guys, thats great to hear that Jellybean is going to be multisystem and with the info youve provided then yes id have to agree with you all that it probably is going to be multiplatform, which is what id initially hoped it would be, great stuff.
Any speculation on month of release, of course its difficult to guess bearing in mind ICS seems to have been around for quite a while now, but its really all down to when samsung are going to release it, i know they said Q1 for ics but it hasnt happened thus far, so i cant imagine JB would be at the start of Q2, my suspicion is most definitley for closer to the end of 2012 or start of 2013.
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but its really all down to when samsung are going to release it, i know they said Q1 for ics but it hasnt happened thus far, so i cant imagine JB would be at the start of Q2, my suspicion is most definitley for closer to the end of 2012 or start of 2013.
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The release of Jelly Bean is in no way or form connected to when phone manufacturers ship ICS. ICS was already shown back in May in 2011, so that's almost a year ago now. Also, Jelly Bean is not as much of changing the fundamentals of Android as an OS as ICS was, it's more about honing the little things, smoothing the corners and putting the dressing on top like e.g. voice control.
That said, I assume JB will be released during Q3, not Q2. It'll likely be previewed during Q2, though, and that's when Google will announce the up-and-coming features and fixes.
When will Chocolate marshmellow be released!? I wonder if we'll get that update...
poope said:
When will Chocolate marshmellow be released!? I wonder if we'll get that update...
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Android never released versions A and B, those names are lost... As far as the public is concerned, it started with :
Cupcake
Donut
Eclair
Froyo
Gingerbread
Honeycomb
Ice Cream Sandwhich
Jelly Bean
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You missed your chance with C... marshmallow still holds a chance!
ICS was previewed in May 2011 and launched in October 2011. Over 5 months later ICS can only be found in 2-3% of current Android devices.
I have to wonder how putting on even more pressure on developers and raising the frustration of the users by launching version 5.0 while the huge majority is still waiting for the v4 update could help your market share.
This is a good read regarding this issue : http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Jelly-Bean-Android-Gingerbread-Ice-Cream-Sandwich,news-14545.html