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I'm interested in hearing peoples opinions on this.
1. Do you think Gingerbread will bring a complete interface overhaul? I'm talking animations, images, layouts, multi tasking, notifications, launcher & more
2. Do you think it'll be like sense, improving social network integration, tidying up a lot of images images and adding a bit more functionality to widgets etc?
3. Do you think it'll be like a skin, simply taking image files that exist throughout Android and making them look more modern?
If they do infact do (1), do you think we'll lose functionality of some applications? Will apps have to be designed or positioned differently on Gingerbread?
I'm very excited for this, especially after seeing a video of MeeGo OS running on a smart phone, it looked so fly. In my opinion Google is going to need big changes to compete with MeeGo's interface (Not saying MeeGo is gonna take out Android, just saying it looked really nice & polished compared to Android's current state).
Google did good work in 2.1 with the launcher, app draw, animated backgrounds etc. but the stock images, buttons etc look so old. I think it needs an overhaul!
Well apparently 3.0 is gonna give the whole UI and device a revamp of looks so i cant wait to see what they do, I hope they make android become as polished as ios and bring smoother scrolling in.
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I'm interested in hearing peoples opinions on this.
1. Do you think Gingerbread will bring a complete interface overhaul? I'm talking animations, images, layouts, multi tasking, notifications, launcher & more
2. Do you think it'll be like sense, improving social network integration, tidying up a lot of images images and adding a bit more functionality to widgets etc?
3. Do you think it'll be like a skin, simply taking image files that exist throughout Android and making them look more modern?
If they do infact do (1), do you think we'll lose functionality of some applications? Will apps have to be designed or positioned differently on Gingerbread?
I'm very excited for this, especially after seeing a video of MeeGo OS running on a smart phone, it looked so fly. In my opinion Google is going to need big changes to compete with MeeGo's interface (Not saying MeeGo is gonna take out Android, just saying it looked really nice & polished compared to Android's current state).
Google did good work in 2.1 with the launcher, app draw, animated backgrounds etc. but the stock images, buttons etc look so old. I think it needs an overhaul!
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...and bring smoother scrolling in.
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This... very much, this.
It's amazing to me that third-party launcher replacements offer perfectly smooth scrolling and the stock OS doesn't. I don't get it.
I also want a whole new camera interface with more control, and a built in note pad,to-do list, the basic functionality of a regular cell phone, better market support like the ability to block certain developers apps from appearing and higher quality apps as well as maybe a ui revamp in the market app. Also make more use of the gpu for graphcs. One last thing add a stock widget that displays time and weather and make it AMAZING.
Thats all i really want
OH and a better stock keyboard.
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My predictions.
- Hopefully a new Multitasking UI
- Improved or customizable notification bar( hasn't changed since 1.0)
- General graphic UI revamp.
A Google employee said of you look at the Nexus One gallery app,expect a similar vibe for the whole UI in Gingerbread.
Oh god, we're just two days into august, the speculation can't start now. Gingerbread was mentioned to be released at the end of the year, which probably means Q1 of 2011. That's quite a ways away!
Once you get this gingerbread speculation rolling, we'll never see the end of it, considering it's only august!
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A Google employee said of you look at the Nexus One gallery app,expect a similar vibe for the whole UI in Gingerbread.
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I really like the sound of this although I can't think of how they would do this? I really wanna see a web os like multi tasking too
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Oh god, we're just two days into august, the speculation can't start now. Gingerbread was mentioned to be released at the end of the year, which probably means Q1 of 2011. That's quite a ways away!
Once you get this gingerbread speculation rolling, we'll never see the end of it, considering it's only august!
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Speculation can never begin too early!
If anything, we're late.
I think they are gonna allow us to customize the UI as we see fit. All those Themes and UI's in the Nexus Forum will be able to be added to stock Android's without rooting.
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I think they are gonna allow us to customize the UI as we see fit. All those Themes and UI's in the Nexus Forum will be able to be added to stock Android's without rooting.
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Neat idea, although I think they'll still need a very nice & tidy stock version/overhaul to go with this as a lot of people will review the stock interface, rather than how you can customise it & many will never bother changing it too I imagine! (I don't understand those sort of people )
I think most of this UI overhaul is pure speculation based on the fact that google hired Palm webOS Designer Matias Duarte. He cannot possibly bring so much change in the few months he has been at google. But I will keep my hopes high that they can give a more smoother UI experience (where android phones/netbooks with additional graphics chip can take advantage of its hardware).
A strong and capable google official Theme Maker app (like metamorph) can bring alot of enthusiasm behind it. Would be tough though with so many unique android devices out there, how can they accommodate them all? :S
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I think most of this UI overhaul is pure speculation based on the fact that google hired Palm webOS Designer Matias Duarte. He cannot possibly bring so much change in the few months he has been at google. But I will keep my hopes high that they can give a more smoother UI experience (where android phones/netbooks with additional graphics chip can take advantage of its hardware).
A strong and capable google official Theme Maker app (like metamorph) can bring alot of enthusiasm behind it. Would be tough though with so many unique android devices out there, how can they accommodate them all? :S
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i agree. i also believe that many people speculate that Duarte will bring in many UI changes, but as you said we are talking about 3 months which isn't enough time for a person manage to change the whole look of an OS.
i would be happy if google could at least get their act together with the homescreen which is still laggy as hell and the app drawer which has laggy zoom animations on froyo.
Having all those great benchmarks is cool and sometimes froyo is really fast, but especially the homescreen is a huge letdown.
And the homescreen is the place which you will see most of the time...
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i agree. i also believe that many people speculate that Duarte will bring in many UI changes, but as you said we are talking about 3 months which isn't enough time for a person manage to change the whole look of an OS.
i would be happy if google could at least get their act together with the homescreen which is still laggy as hell and the app drawer which has laggy zoom animations on froyo.
Having all those great benchmarks is cool and sometimes froyo is really fast, but especially the homescreen is a huge letdown.
And the homescreen is the place which you will see most of the time...
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If it's laggy with you i suggest you return your device and get a new one... because this problem doesn't exist on the 3 nexus ones i've used.
I didn't realise he only had 3 months to work with it... :/
Although I imagine he has quite a team working with him to get a lot done in whatever time they have!
I'm running stock Froyo and I don't notice any lag in the homescreen and the app drawer. I installed Launcherpro before and I didn't notice any difference in scrolling. Both stock homescreen and Launcherpro homescreen have smooth scrolling.
Maybe someone can direct me with a video that can show me what a laggy scrolling is like.
yeah i dont get the laggy scrolling either, but then again i use launcher pro for so long now. i'm getting really sick of people comparing choppy scrolling, i want to make a video showing otherwise!! i'll admit certain UI lists do get choppy. but most are not so.
oh and doesnt anybody listen to android podcasts? last week android guys podcast leaked a little rumor that gingerbread was all about tablets, heard from someone directly involved. make of that what you will.
im personally against making the UI look more like iOS... i like the direction that windows 7 mobile is headed with the simplistic 2 tone menus and choice of text over icons.. things like pretty scrolling and fancy animated icons add more bloat
nobody said anything about making the UI look like an iphone, it was said to make the UI be AS POLISHED as the ios is.
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im personally against making the UI look more like iOS... i like the direction that windows 7 mobile is headed with the simplistic 2 tone menus and choice of text over icons.. things like pretty scrolling and fancy animated icons add more bloat
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Gingerbread will make Android look like the Gallery app. If you watch the Google I/O videos on YouTube you see that a new music app is being used which has the UI of the current Gallery app.
So when they were showing off FroYo back at the conference, they already had some work done for Gingerbread.
I really don't see any real improvement to the ui . Didn't they said it'd be better looking and more useability and fun? Still ugly to me. Give me launcherpro with 2.2 and I'm happy. Gingerbread 2.3=fail
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I think the UI rehaul is for 3.0 Honeycomb.
Google has not even said anything about Android 2.3 other then its going to be called Gingerbread. Never said it was going to be a major update or completely change the UI. All the rumors speculated about a UI change but only subtle changes.
Yep, there's nothing official about gingerbread. We will know more once the xda gang get it on our devices!
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I think the UI rehaul is for 3.0 Honeycomb.
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Honeycomb is geared towards better tablet compatibility.
I think the major UI overhaul that was planned for Gbread was pushed back to Honeycomb. I'm not sure if this is because of the timing of the hire of Duarte (as in, maybe the UI was halfway there, they hired Duarte, and he scrapped it), or because they just didn't think they had time to implement it.
Either way, I think the major changes to Gingerbread will be under its skin... everyone's just focusing on the UI because that was probably the biggest touted change. My prediction is that we'll see better utilization of hardware, and thus improved efficiency... plus a number of new (but minor) features.
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Honeycomb is geared towards better tablet compatibility.
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From what I've heard Honeycomb is geared for tablets and superphones and it will start a split of higher end phones getting 3.0 and lower end phones get 2.X. I've seen a guy's phone that said he had 3.0 and it doesn't look like standard Android, the UI was much different. So unless he just had an awesome rom I'm sticking with there will be a UI change in 3.0.
this post is silly. if you think android is an ugly system and UI just use something else.
Launcher Pro looks exactly the same as the standard launcher besides the dock area.
It's a pretty widespread opinion that the Android UI is ugly, and that's the reason why Google is supposed to be overhauling it.
If it was beautiful I doubt manufacturers would spend so much money overhauling it as if it was Symbian 5th edition.
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It's a pretty widespread opinion that the Android UI is ugly, and that's the reason why Google is supposed to be overhauling it.
If it was beautiful I doubt manufacturers would spend so much money overhauling it as if it was Symbian 5th edition.
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I agree that Android's UI needs some help. I'm liking the flat sharp look they're going for. Also, good to see they're sticking with black and green to try to keep consistency. Only little was shown on Gingerbread, but I'm liking it.
Also, even after Google does an overhaul, they will still skin it. It's not about whether it looks good or not, its about setting themselves apart from the competition.
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Also, even after Google does an overhaul, they will still skin it. It's not about whether it looks good or not, its about setting themselves apart from the competition.
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Thank you. I could not agree more with that statement.
Everyone has a personal preference. Some people love the ios ui; some people like me hate it. Yes I prefer Android and personally I prefer my android mostly unskinned (other than maybe a simple black bar theme -- ala Desire). It sounds like I'm in the minority -- but I also dislike 99% of the OEM skinned options like Sense, Motoblur, etc. The most important factor in those being what people in the company designing the UI want THEIR phone to feel like. Then this causes outrage from the users that don't like it. You can't please everyone. /rant
I believe there will be MINOR changes, most likely at a kernel and java level.
Well, I hope that there will be some significant improvement under the hood. From what I've seen so far, I'm not going to be impressed with the revised stock UI at all. In fact, I like the old UI much more (it might of course change over time as I get used to the new look). On the other hand, I'm using HTC Sense right now, which makes the revised UI redundant for me anyway, and I expect HTC to stick with Sense for the time being. Other manufacturers have their own UI too...
I'd be happy if 2.3 were just the same as 2.2 on feature level, but more efficient. Because even though I am impressed with what 2.2 stock phones are capable of doing right now, better battery life is always a good thing.
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Well, I hope that there will be some significant improvement under the hood. From what I've seen so far, I'm not going to be impressed with the revised stock UI at all. In fact, I like the old UI much more (it might of course change over time as I get used to the new look). On the other hand, I'm using HTC Sense right now, which makes the revised UI redundant for me anyway, and I expect HTC to stick with Sense for the time being. Other manufacturers have their own UI too...
I'd be happy if 2.3 were just the same as 2.2 on feature level, but more efficient. Because even though I am impressed with what 2.2 stock phones are capable of doing right now, better battery life is always a good thing.
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Google should dedicate one release per version chiefly to combatting issues with efficiency, speed, battery life, removing deprecated components, and other optimizations - with adding features being on the backburner.
That will at least allow manufacturers to deliver one update to fix known issues on handsets and make them work *better* in a timely fashion without spending 4-6 months reinventing the wheel and reintegrating everything into yet another release.
Also, I don't really blame the manufacturers. Android has some deep-rooted issues when it comes to the user interface and the only way to make it attractive to a majority of people is to make some deeprooted changes.
I personally think that android 2.2 (froyo) actually has a pretty good UI. Coming from an iPhone, I find the squared-off corners and minimalistic (moreso than the iphone, amazingly) UI elements a LOT more aesthetically appealing. I do dislike the non-support for full hardware acceleration and the non-skinned dock, but I suppose that that's a non-issue. Hopefully 2.3 or 4.0 will update the UI, but as it stands I'm not THAT bored of it (granted I've only had my Epic for a month, but still) so if google doesn't it's fine. I really, really, really want hardware acceleration though.
Android 2.3 is really a fail!
I just downloaded a android 2.3 SDK and tested my app, I disappointed very much about it. It's UI is so ugly than 2.2 and before, especially TabWidget style and black notification bar.
I think Google is going towards a wrong road just like Microsoft, and android is not as hopeful as before. Maybe when a company grow great enough, they must be going down...
The problem is, android is not windows yet, if they continue to wrong, they would be dying.
I do not really know what sets 2.3 apart from 2.2, except colour icons for call, programs, and web. My notification bar is a dark grey, so a black one really wouldn't affect me. I never heard of TabWidget.
For me, when I got Stock 2.2, I added on a fake HTC clock, a nice calendar that I'll never use, and have been looking for some other nice apps to throw on my home screens. It looks beautiful. I thought the point of Android was to be customizational? And so far, my Android phone is very much what I wanted it to be. So how could 2.3 radically change that?
I do think we should have more customization options, but it's amazingly more open and freeing than my old Windows Mobile phone with the earliest of Sense on it (HTC Touch Pro)
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I think the major UI overhaul that was planned for Gbread was pushed back to Honeycomb. I'm not sure if this is because of the timing of the hire of Duarte (as in, maybe the UI was halfway there, they hired Duarte, and he scrapped it), or because they just didn't think they had time to implement it.
Either way, I think the major changes to Gingerbread will be under its skin... everyone's just focusing on the UI because that was probably the biggest touted change. My prediction is that we'll see better utilization of hardware, and thus improved efficiency... plus a number of new (but minor) features.
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I second this thought. The UI is a little better, but nothing major. Most of the hype I think was just that...hype with no real information from anyone except what they HOPED would be.
I assume...ASSUME...that before 3.0 comes out, we may see a 2.3.x that will include a more substantial UI update. Or it may jump up to 2.4 or 2.5 for the UI. Not sure how major or Minor Google considers a UI upgrade.
2.3, as we know now, was mainly meant to improve the underlying stuff and to implement the NFC. 3.0 is SUPPOSE to be an update to make android better support tablets (is that official? I'm honestly not sure if Google has officially said that yet), so if that's true then I suspect we'll see one more iteration of the 2.x before 3.0 to give us the UI upgrade that MANY was hoping for.
All that is just a theory though, we may move straight from 2.3 to 3.0 and Google may separate android then with 2 version. 3.0P and 3.0T (That's Phone and Tablet). Who knows, most we can do is wait and see. Though I do imagine at some point they will have a division of the OS for the Tablet and one for the Phone. Same features and all, just optimized for one or the other.
3.0 is nothing like what we've seen before. Its amazing.
I still havent got an update yet.
Just wondering what you fellow G2/DZ owners think about the upcoming android release "Ice cream sandwich". what features or changes are you excited about? do you reckon cyanogen team will migrate to it for our devices? and can our devices even effeciently run it?
i for one am always excited about any improvements to android, seeing it come so far has been incredible and i hope it continues to expand and prosper while still maintaining the performance and complexity weve come to adore as modders/hax0rs.
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I'm assuming you've seen the engadget video of the leaked software? I know it's just a visual eyecandy thing but I'm actually looking forward to the screen rotation animations, for one. The lockscreen looks like it is similar to a MIUI circle lockscreen where you can unlock to different app shortcuts. Just looking forward to something new in general I guess, heh. If it was running on a Nexus S, I'm 100% it will work just fine for us, too.
i think that engadget video cant be faker, cmon a lucky guy from ebay?? hahaha yeah right reminds me of the iphone prototypes found in a bar a while ago
i think its just a very nice cooked ROM, also compare it to the leaked pictures and it doesnt look the same
about ICS taken from cyanogen i think it is gonna be ported by the team as theyve been doing with every previous version of android, so expect CM8! also i think were not gonna have any problems running it on our G2s since AOSP are not that heavy and i think ICS is not gonna be that heavy either, at least not like a sense ROM
As stated above. I'm mainly looking forward to rotation animation and speed increases.
As far as I'm concerned each new stock version has had a similar speed to the previous modded version. So I'm not expecting much in the way of speed..... yet.
Here's hoping there's plenty new toys.
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Visual improvements are welcome, but I'm looking forward to the under the hood improvements. And hopefully being able to run honeycomb apps.
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Will it be released ota for desire z devices.
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Will it be released ota for desire z devices.
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Doubt it. On my 5th android handset from 3 manufacturers and resigned to the fact that I need custom roms to get the latest/fastest software.
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Frankly, it looks horrendous - especially from a user experience point of view. As a longtime fan of Android, it boggles my mind that the software is so half-baked.
I'm not exactly blown out of the water by it. It looks like they took some of the Honeycomb design language and ported it over as a skin ontop of Gingerbread. I really hope that its more than that, but we'll have to see. 2.2 to 2.3 was a lot of polish and cleaning up with some new UI elements, so I hope 4.0 is a big leap.
I hope that we see performance gains, new features, and more stability/usability. I liked what they did in Honeycomb from a UI and smoothness PoV, but I'm not sure how that will translate to the smaller screen. The big test will be how it performs and looks on the next Nexus device, as that is the benchmark or platform example of what they want it to look like. I don't think the vision of ICS is complete when its running on a Nexus S.
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Frankly, it looks horrendous - especially from a user experience point of view. As a longtime fan of Android, it boggles my mind that the software is so half-baked.
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I disagree, but I don't think anybody can judge until we officially see them demonstrate it.
If that leak was real, it's basically some honeycomb elements and a bluish neon theme. Not really a huge stretch from what we have currently. And face it, Android still isn't as user friendly as it could be. ICS needs to be huge if they want to stay ahead of WP7 and compete with iOS.
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And face it, Android still isn't as user friendly as it could be. ICS needs to be huge if they want to stay ahead of WP7 and compete with iOS.
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I agree with that. They really need to knock it out of the park. Not necessarily with features (they already have a ton of features) but with user experience and consistency/reliability. iOS and WP7 knock it out of the park on user experience whether you care to admit it or not. If Android can smooth out a lot of the rough edges and issues I'm sure it'll give a huge boost to sales.
The problem is that high end Androids still lag. Now I'm willing to place a lot of blame on oems, but Android is still too power and resource hungry. That NEEDS to be addressed here.
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The problem is that high end Androids still lag. Now I'm willing to place a lot of blame on oems, but Android is still too power and resource hungry. That NEEDS to be addressed here.
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Funny...my g2 lasts twice as long on battery as my lender iphone 4, though I'm all for power and battery improvements who knows what android can achieve.
As for top end androids lagging, I'm assuming your referring to stock devices. In which bloatware can be blamed for 99% of that lag. For a one year old device my g2 blows every one of my friends devices out of the water, especially when everyone is out somewhere and we need to 'google' something, my wp7 friends never find the right info, and the iphone guys/gurls usually never get to the search fast enough lol. THIS is what I believe sets us apart, the speed in which I can fire a google search, check google maps, etc leaves all my non google friends gawking at how easy my droid is.
I'm hoping for a little bit of user experience improvement, but mostly if they can squeeze out even more performance and power saving, it'll truly set us apart from the competition.
Edit: IMO
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To be honest, I don't like the way Android development is going. I mean, phones keep getting more and more powerful, we have dual-core CPUs and lots of RAM, but the OS doesn't really feel faster and the user experience is more or less the same.
What I'd like to see in ICS is a smoother feeling, especially faster launching apps and making better use of the hardware (the second one is difficult with all the diferent phones out there).
Also, some more UI customization would be welcome. For example, changing the battery icon (or the whole status bar icon set) without root or cooking a custom rom, or making my own tabs in the app drawer.
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To be honest, I don't like the way Android development is going. I mean, phones keep getting more and more powerful, we have dual-core CPUs and lots of RAM, but the OS doesn't really feel faster and the user experience is more or less the same.
What I'd like to see in ICS is a smoother feeling, especially faster launching apps and making better use of the hardware (the second one is difficult with all the diferent phones out there).
Also, some more UI customization would be welcome. For example, changing the battery icon (or the whole status bar icon set) without root or cooking a custom rom, or making my own tabs in the app drawer.
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I also agree, the way I see it the more powerful they get the more battery hungry they will be, though I could be wrong. Cm7 runs pretty damn smooth at 800mhz stock speed so I mean it is possible to optimize the os for a single core. But I mean looking back from donut to ginger, the os does feel not only bigger but also runs smoother in my opinion. But again it could be because the hardware has improved so much as well.
Given the fact the iphone 4s specs were just announced, and don't really wow anyone, I'm hoping oct 11th and ICS blow everything out of the water. Google is most definetly capable of showing some innovation, so my fingers are crossed that ICS is everything we want! Would also prove perfect timing to make even more gain in the mobile os department. They also need to keep up the sick advertising on tv, lord knows the commercials make my iphail pals jealous!
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i'm with the people saying that they hope ICS brings with it better performance and nicer User Experience. rooting really barely helps. don't get me wrong its fun having all these choices and flashing roms and whatnot. but none of them really make the phone work like it should. i still have lag. i still have crashes. full wipes do nothing. yea it runs AMAZING for a day. maybe a week on a really good rom. and then things start lagging. it's getting harder and harder to defend. "no you don't get it, with android you get choice and iphone sucks" ... as my friend's iphone works perfectly pretty much 100% of the time. blah. come on ICS. wow me. please!
I've patiently been waiting and flashing the alpha/beta ICS ROMs onto my phone as and when they come (thanks devs!).
What I am wondering is, why am I distinctly unimpressed with ICS?
Sure it looks pretty, but when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, it seems to be form over function. The launcher now takes several swipes to access an app which I could previously have got to in one flick. The task switcher which used to be just long-press on home button then bam, touch your desired app, is now a case of long-press then swiping through a long list of pretty windows to find the one you need. Don't get me wrong, the changes to the built-in apps are good (and necessary - having to press menu to get to the draft new email button was ridiculously bad UI) - but I'm just left unimpressed overall.
And still we have the poor choppy scrolling performance that iOS and WP users laugh at instead of the ultra-smooth buttery goodness they enjoy (although it is better than it used to be I admit).
I know the ICS ROMs are a work in progress still, and I've not spent any time using a Galaxy Nexus - perhaps it all makes sense on a superphone with dual-cores and a massive screen, and these are non-issues for those people. But I am in no position to get a new phone (need a hardware keyboard and there aren't any better ones around) and hence I don't see much compelling reason to get ICS over GB - except for the apps maybe.
Am I the only person feeling this way?
Take into consideration these are ALPHA and BETA stages..cameras still don't even work. Just be patient
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Hm, I'd have to agree with you about the Task Switcher. There is little to no functionality to it. May I add widget grouping in the Drawer would also be a great addition. Otherwise, I liked most of the changes.
Although, I have two questions. What ICS ROM did/are you test(ing)? And did you try Overclocking? I'm currently running Virtuous Quattro (Beta 8) and have an overclock of up to 1,6GHz, and I can tell everything is running smooth as silk. Of course you don't have to OC to upto 1,6, but 1,2-1,3 would definitely suffice.
Edit: As spastic909 said, there will be a LOT of changes in the upcoming updates, this is only a preview of what we're soon going to get.
As a test I just overclocked to 1.8GHz on performance governor, and rebooted to ensure minimal running processes. This is on a fresh install of Andromadus Alpha v8, no apps installed except GAPPS - scrolling is still really choppy when going through lists, such as my GMail inbox and my contacts list. This is just a fact of life on Android, it doesn't matter what ROM you have, and I've been through a lot in the 14mths that I've had this phone
If iOS and WP can scroll smoothly EVERYWHERE on hardware much older/worse than my phone then there is something seriously wrong with Android at a deep functional level. I think Google needs to sort that out now they've "prettyfied" Android. Lipstick on a pig springs to mind. I love Android, and as it stands I would never consider iOS or WP. But I am jealous of the performance they get.
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As a test I just overclocked to 1.8GHz on performance governor, and rebooted to ensure minimal running processes. This is on a fresh install of Andromadus Alpha v8, no apps installed except GAPPS - scrolling is still really choppy when going through lists, such as my GMail inbox and my contacts list. This is just a fact of life on Android, it doesn't matter what ROM you have, and I've been through a lot in the 14mths that I've had this phone
If iOS and WP can scroll smoothly EVERYWHERE on hardware much older/worse than my phone then there is something seriously wrong with Android at a deep functional level. I think Google needs to sort that out now they've "prettyfied" Android. Lipstick on a pig springs to mind. I love Android, and as it stands I would never consider iOS or WP. But I am jealous of the performance they get.
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So the addition of hardware acceleration for moving UI elements doesn't function in CPU realtime like the iPhone or Windows Phones? I'm still running Virtuous G-Lite here, haven't flashed any ICS roms yet as they are all in beta.
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Am I the only person feeling this way?
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I feel exactly the same way especially in regards to the app list and recently used apps. I think those are steps backward which is keeping me on GB. However ICS does have some improvements in other areas of the OS which I wish I could enjoy.
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As a test I just overclocked to 1.8GHz on performance governor, and rebooted to ensure minimal running processes. This is on a fresh install of Andromadus Alpha v8, no apps installed except GAPPS - scrolling is still really choppy when going through lists, such as my GMail inbox and my contacts list. This is just a fact of life on Android, it doesn't matter what ROM you have, and I've been through a lot in the 14mths that I've had this phone
If iOS and WP can scroll smoothly EVERYWHERE on hardware much older/worse than my phone then there is something seriously wrong with Android at a deep functional level. I think Google needs to sort that out now they've "prettyfied" Android. Lipstick on a pig springs to mind. I love Android, and as it stands I would never consider iOS or WP. But I am jealous of the performance they get.
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Fast real-time UI scrolling has very little to do with actual performance. From what I loosely understand, Android is fundamentally more ambitious. Rather than being flawed compared to her competitors. iOS and WP7(Not 100% sure about this.) has the UI on some kind of urgent priority line to render scrolling at 60fps. Android on the other hand, won't forsake any other tasks for the UI scrolling. In essence, Android is closer to a true computer.
That said, I'm guessing the only way to stamp out Android's inherent lagginess is to brute force it with increasingly advanced hardware. Or in my case, using MIUI bulletproof w/ that Charger V6 script thingie gives it a comparable homescreen scrolling speed to the iPhone 3GS.
setspeed said:
As a test I just overclocked to 1.8GHz on performance governor, and rebooted to ensure minimal running processes. This is on a fresh install of Andromadus Alpha v8, no apps installed except GAPPS - scrolling is still really choppy when going through lists, such as my GMail inbox and my contacts list. This is just a fact of life on Android, it doesn't matter what ROM you have, and I've been through a lot in the 14mths that I've had this phone
If iOS and WP can scroll smoothly EVERYWHERE on hardware much older/worse than my phone then there is something seriously wrong with Android at a deep functional level. I think Google needs to sort that out now they've "prettyfied" Android. Lipstick on a pig springs to mind. I love Android, and as it stands I would never consider iOS or WP. But I am jealous of the performance they get.
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There was a very good explanation to why you would be seeing this that I unfortunately don't remember where I found it, but it was a google employee explaining why android will never LOOK as smooth as iOs (despite both being almost the same) what it is, is that with iOS it prioritizes interaction above everything else, including rendering, in that, if you were to load a page on safari or whatever and while its loading start moving the page around, all rendering will stop, whereas with android it will try to do both simultaneous thereby resulting in what appears to be a choppier experience. As for google fixing this, they cannot (or rather will not) because it would literally require an overhaul of everything that is android to fix, yes it's do-able, but it would result in everything that we know to be android restarting practically from scratch (with some trial and error already done for us IE we know what works so we can implement it from the beginning) Hope this answers your concerns!
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iOS it prioritizes interaction above everything else, including rendering, in that, if you were to load a page on safari or whatever and while its loading start moving the page around, all rendering will stop, whereas with android it will try to do both simultaneous thereby resulting in what appears to be a choppier experience.
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Hmm.. I'd read about it somewhere. And I'd also read elsewhere that the google devs wanted to find a decent middle ground to reduce this "choppiness" as well.
This the article others are referring to - https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Also, another one from the same source (a senior Google/Android engineer) - https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC
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Yeah I was already aware of those posts by Dianne Hackborn and others. It also seems that NO-ONE including Hackborn herself can give a definitive answer (which doesn't then get refuted by someone) as to why iOS can achieve 60fps animation pretty much everywhere, and Android just fails spectacularly at it.
The technical issues are way above my head, and I have no real interest in changing that - I'm just a normal end-user (albeit one who likes to meddle, hence why I have an XDA account). What I would like to hear is that Google has a plan for fixing Android, whether that be through a rewrite or whatever, to nail this final issue of stuttery, laggy performance compared to the competition.
I think the original point of my post was that ICS doesn't seem to offer me much in the way of actual advantages over GB (except for apps). The launcher appears smoother (at the cost of now having to make mutliple swipes - a choice made to get around the abysmal list-scrolling performance). The task manager is prettier but less functional. It just seems like it's been tarted up, with none of the actual underlying issues fixed. That's how it is from my perspective.
I wish there was a viable alternative, as I am truly starting to get itchy feet. I know that I won't go anywhere at the moment, but one phone that really interested me was the Nokia N9. I never got the chance to actually use it, but all the reviews said that the Meego interface was a joy (despite a couple of minor performance issues and the fact Nokia killed it before it was born).
I think I'm starting to question whether in fact I need the advantages that Android offers at all. On a daily basis there is only one root app that I use and that is Adfree Android. Could I live without it - probably.
And although I love flashing new ROMs on my phone, and the choice that brings, ultimately I'm only trying to fix deficiencies with the software my phone came with. This DZ was dead slow when I first got it - overclocking and a new ROM fixed that. But when the competition is fast and smooth, would I feel the need for any of that? I suspect the answer is probably "Yes, I would miss it like anything". But the fact I'm asking myself these questions tells me I'm not perfectly happy with Android the way it is. iPhone users don't have that feeling. I know they expect less of a computer and more of an appliance, but when they have an amazing experience day after day, and I'm being frustrated day after day, I ask myself who really is the smarter one?
setspeed said:
I'm being frustrated day after day, I ask myself who really is the smarter one?
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No one is smarter than anyone for choosing one particular brand over another. Its just a preference in the end.
While it's short sighted of you to equate UI scrolling to actual performance, you're quite entitled to love smooth scrolling.
And if 60 fps scrolling is your thing and if the lag bothers you that much. Then it would be wise to move to the iPhone or Windows. Especially if you believe it to be the smarter choice.
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Smarter as in "not spending a lot of time babying my phone". Is it possible to make the transition from phone tweaker to just phone user, and enjoy those benefits (scrolling performance, better quality of apps) instead of enjoying total control and customisation?? Who knows, but when my contract's up and if there isn't a decent qwerty Android on the market (highly likely) then maybe I should try a change!
The scrolling lag of Android is a software design "flaw" if you can call it that. Someone wrote a nice article on G+ about it. Essentially, Android spawns a thread for the UI and lets it do its thing. That's why when you scroll down, not only does the existing content move, but new content is also added on the fly. And this happens across the OS - when you are updating an app, the phone also is trying to address your latest command of swiping homescreens. The author went on to show how in iOS this is not the case, that when a webpage is loading and the user begins to scroll, the page stops loading and full processor power is dedicated to the scrolling, thus resulting in a smoother performance. Apparently, it is baked too deep into the kernel and changing that is not a trivial issue. thus, the only solution now is to throw more HP at it, which is why the latest crop of phones don't stutter too much.
I think I'm a victim of my own anticipation. Like most people here I check Android news on a daily basis. When a major version revision like 4.0 is announced I buy into all the hype and by the time it gets to release I'm ready for the second coming of Jesus. When that doesn't happen then I've set myself up for a major fall. ICS brings some welcome (and some not so welcome) changes, but there's nothing earth shattering here, it feels like an incremental improvement.
I'm setting myself up for some major flaming here, but I would like Google to pull out the big guns and wow us with something. Something like Siri.
Before you all lambast me, let me state my position - I don't think Siri will set the world on fire like Apple hopes it will, we're just not ready for it yet. And I know all us jaded tech types can sneer and say "I could do all this ages ago with Tasker and Voice Search and Vlingo etc etc". But what Apple has done is wrap it all up into a nice useable package that anyone can easily access, without having to think about it, or search the Market for apps. There is nothing wrong in spotting something that you think is great and adding it to your OS. And if you try and deny that this will how we will interact with our phones in 20yrs time (or perhaps via mind control!) then you are kidding yourself.
I know Apple bought it from an iOS dev, but equally they've polished it into something that is talked about by everyone - everyone has an opinion on it when they become aware of it. What does Android do (for the average user, who doesn't root/flash custom ROMs) that's anywhere near the same level of impressive? Widgets and nice Maps? I admit voice nav is a great selling point, but seriously, I think Google needs to step up it's game and start bringing out the big guns to compete with iOS which, although limiting in lots of ways, clearly has the most polished apps, the best user interaction in the mobile world when it comes to scrolling and smoothness, and they bring futuristic stuff like Siri to the party as a part of their standard OS. It's not about bragging rights, or showing off or anything like that - it's about being the best OS around, and at the moment, aside from the fact Android is very customisable even without root, I can't say it's 100% the best OS. It is for me, at the moment, and probably for you too if you're on this site, but for the rest of the general population I can see why Android doesn't really hold a candle to iOS in the layman's eyes.
Rant over!
The one major thing you're missing is that ICS was designed mainly to integrate functionality between both tablets and phones. Google made a decision and then decided they weren't to keep on developing Honeycomb nor likely wanted current tablets running cropped versions of GB when it was solely made as a phone OS.
So there was a notion to make a unification with devices running Gingerbread/Froyo along with tablets running GB/HC, thus ICS was formed.
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The scrolling lag of Android is a software design "flaw" if you can call it that. Someone wrote a nice article on G+ about it. Essentially, Android spawns a thread for the UI and lets it do its thing.
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If you're referring to the post from a guy who used to be an intern at Google, then that second article link I posted (from Dianne Hackborn) is basically pointing out how that guy posted some incorrect stuff.
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If you're referring to the post from a guy who used to be an intern at Google, then that second article link I posted (from Dianne Hackborn) is basically pointing out how that guy posted some incorrect stuff.
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Doesn't matter if the guy posted incorrect stuff.
The empirical evidence and summary is that Android does not prioritize UI and UI animations (nor sound threads), and never will this point forward, so far.
Dianne also pointed out a deficiency in the kernel for high-priority/foreground threads which they gave up on fixing since Android 1.6.
I notice this every day but I'm a tech if it ain't broken i don't want it...
I'm just throwing my thoughts around here, please correct me if I'm wrong and flame me if you must, I'm kind of just interested in this topic.
I've had an ipod touch. I've played with the iphone 3gs. I've seen the iphone 4g. I've even been offered to try siri for a few weeks. The 3gs actually wasn't a huge leap from an ipod touch. They pretty much slapped a phone on it, right? There was nothing I could do on a 3gs that I couldn't do on an itouch connected to wifi. Literally nothing. The change from 3gs to 4g was just that. 3g changed to 4g. Beyond that, the user experience was identical. Nothing had changed. The addition of siri added 100 bucks of value to the 4g though? Yeah, that kinda didn't make sense to me, as there are literally free apps that did the same thing. But behind siri was the same phone. Ios hasn't changed drastically since the first time we saw it. Granted it's ALREADY such a great phone.
But look at android. Younger, and from the g1 to the nexus s, HUGE improvements, and for pennies to the dollar cheaper. Android WILL improve. There's no question of that. At this point, my phone has literally replaced my desktop; and from a phone that has already reached EOL, that's quite an accomplishment. the next gen phones have way more muscle to swing out at the graphical glitches that plague us, and the OS just keeps improving.
ICS is merely a stepping stone into something bigger. And android, being as customizable as it is, offers ui similar to ios through miui (soon miuiv4). You can't put off the changes made between cupcake, eclair, froyo and gingerbread. How you can put off the changes yet to be made, however, is quite staggering.
i'm looking forward to see CM9 or even CM7 in this beauty to unlock its full potential and ... be free from TouchWiz
Well, I would see CM7 as big step down from the stock 3.2 OS. And, I doubt there will be a CM9 until Samsung releases an ICS update. So, maybe by May?
I think the release of ics will be near to the release of sgs2 ics .
And thats begin or end of 2nd quartal 2012.
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burhanistan said:
Well, I would see CM7 as big step down from the stock 3.2 OS. And, I doubt there will be a CM9 until Samsung releases an ICS update. So, maybe by May?
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Samsung won't issue a ICS for the original Tab but there is already a version working for it (although not final yet)
The issue is more about having a base large enough of 7.7 users and developers to make it happen, which probably won't be really soon given the fact it;s not sold yet in the US and in many other counties
That's one of the reasons why I am not in a hurry yet to replace my original Tab
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Samsung won't issue a ICS for the original Tab but there is already a version working for it (although not final yet)
The issue is more about having a base large enough of 7.7 users and developers to make it happen, which probably won't be really soon given the fact it;s not sold yet in the US and in many other counties
That's one of the reasons why I am not in a hurry yet to replace my original Tab
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Yeah, but we were talking about the 7.7 in the first place. Samsung has already indicated that it will be among the devices that it will update to ICS.
I'm running ICS on my OG 7" and it's pretty smooth, but yeah, Samsung has pretty much abandoned that device.
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Yeah, but we were talking about the 7.7 in the first place. Samsung has already indicated that it will be among the devices that it will update to ICS.
I'm running ICS on my OG 7" and it's pretty smooth, but yeah, Samsung has pretty much abandoned that device.
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The topic is about CM for the Tab 7.7
And I keep my assertion that you don't need to wait for Samsung's implementation of ICS for the Tab 7.7to ave CM on the 7.7 (And I gave as example the original tab)
xenix96 said:
I think the release of ics will be near to the release of sgs2 ics .
And thats begin or end of 2nd quartal 2012.
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Pretty much depends on whether they want to sell this beautiful device. If they don't want to sell it I would go with Q2, if they do, I would hurry up otherwise this thing will be born dead. No rational being would consider an old OS device when there are newer ones in the market (which will definitely happen before the end of Q1)
And it is pretty much clear this device needs ICS badly. If a user in a store will compare the 1.4 ghz tab to a 1.2 GHz Transformer Prime it is evident he should go with the Prime now.
Also I would say that for tablets an update is much more important than for a phone. Web browsing for example, is boosted enormously on ICS. Considering that much users buy a tablet for web browsing it would be a no brainer to boost this 1.4 GHz of 7.7" amoled goodness
Am I the only one who isn't all that bothered by TouchWiz? Not the launcher of course, I've never been a fan of that... However, once you replace the home launcher with something better, TouchWiz isn't really that bad. I mean, the quick launch apps on the menu bar is a brilliant idea, and I use it all the time! It's awesome now that you can customize the Samsung apps there too now. Now all the quick launch bar needs is support to launch any app/widget you want, and it'd be perfect!
Now don't get me wrong, I love me some vanilla Android, and you can bet your toes that if CM9 becomes available for the 7.7, I'll be at least trying it out to see how it compares. That said, I already know I will be missing that quick launch bar... Oh if only there were something similar, but for an AOSP!! Then again, once you reach that point, it's more a question of which would you prefer: A TouchWiz themed AOSP, or an AOSP themed TouchWiz?
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Am I the only one who isn't all that bothered by TouchWiz? Not the launcher of course, I've never been a fan of that... However, once you replace the home launcher with something better, TouchWiz isn't really that bad. I mean, the quick launch apps on the menu bar is a brilliant idea, and I use it all the time! It's awesome now that you can customize the Samsung apps there too now. Now all the quick launch bar needs is support to launch any app/widget you want, and it'd be perfect!
Now don't get me wrong, I love me some vanilla Android, and you can bet your toes that if CM9 becomes available for the 7.7, I'll be at least trying it out to see how it compares. That said, I already know I will be missing that quick launch bar... Oh if only there were something similar, but for an AOSP!! Then again, once you reach that point, it's more a question of which would you prefer: A TouchWiz themed AOSP, or an AOSP themed TouchWiz?
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Agreed. Just replace the launcher and you have something really good. I actually like some of the Samsung's apps (Typically the email client is fantastic and I haven't found anything that comes close to t on the market). It is the same for many other Samsung proprietary apps that work only with the Touchwiz workframe. And I regret these apps...
HOWEVER performance wise (and battery life wise) CM or other variants (I am using BOCA) are just night and day with Samsung's ROMs... Maybe the 7.7 has so much horsepower that it doesn't matter too much (although I am sure at one stage it will). But clearly for the original Tab I just cannot go back to Samsung base ROM even though I regret the apps...
Would be fantastic if I could instal ICS on it right now. Is it already possible to instal CM9 on the tab 7.7? Or maybe a "leaked" version from Samsung. Hope touchwize wont lag as much as it does now. Device is rooted.
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cm7 is based on gingerbread so does anyone really want to go from android 3.2 to 2.3?
cm9 will come to the device but as for now samsung is working on ics for sgs2.
when they finish sgs2 update they will release ics for note and g 7.7
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Also I would say that for tablets an update is much more important than for a phone. Web browsing for example, is boosted enormously on ICS. Considering that much users buy a tablet for web browsing it would be a no brainer to boost this 1.4 GHz of 7.7" amoled goodness
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I'm currently one of those
i'm so drooling for the Asus Prime, but... the only thing that is keeping me away from purchasing the Asus Prime, is the nVidia Tegra, which is ironic as it's the most powerful Quad core out there right now
but nVidia has bad reputation in Android for NEVER releasing source codes, no source codes = cheesy 3rd development support
and also because the Prime lacks OLED display
I might change my mind if i see CM9 for the ASUS Prime, but for now Gtab 7.7 is pretty much the nicest thing on the market with the largest SAMOLED+ HD display which is what i'm shopping for.
i'm indifferent about TW or CM
TW bonus is really on all the extra hardware codecs it comes with it, which is great if you plan to watch a lot of video on the tablet
CM on the other hand lacks those extra codecs, being AOSP based, but it makes up for it for all the build in features, settings, customization, and power
of course TW based ROMs can be OC too, but there's always all that extra stuff that are not really wanted included, all the stuff that i usually end up replacing with 3rd party apps or prefer the ones that comes from stock AOSP better.
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Am I the only one who isn't all that bothered by TouchWiz? Not the launcher of course, I've never been a fan of that... However, once you replace the home launcher with something better, TouchWiz isn't really that bad. I mean, the quick launch apps on the menu bar is a brilliant idea, and I use it all the time! It's awesome now that you can customize the Samsung apps there too now. Now all the quick launch bar needs is support to launch any app/widget you want, and it'd be perfect!
Now don't get me wrong, I love me some vanilla Android, and you can bet your toes that if CM9 becomes available for the 7.7, I'll be at least trying it out to see how it compares. That said, I already know I will be missing that quick launch bar... Oh if only there were something similar, but for an AOSP!! Then again, once you reach that point, it's more a question of which would you prefer: A TouchWiz themed AOSP, or an AOSP themed TouchWiz?
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AllGamer said:
i'm indifferent about TW or CM
TW bonus is really on all the extra hardware codecs it comes with it, which is great if you plan to watch a lot of video on the tablet
CM on the other hand lacks those extra codecs, being AOSP based, but it makes up for it for all the build in features, settings, customization, and power
of course TW based ROMs can be OC too, but there's always all that extra stuff that are not really wanted included, all the stuff that i usually end up replacing with 3rd party apps or prefer the ones that comes from stock AOSP better.
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Good points indeed! Normally I'm pretty well set as long as I have root and CWM. Most of my personal customization's don't go beyond changing the launcher anyway. I do play a lot of video's so I guess that's why I'm happy with TW.
Now that I do have both root and CWM, I'm a pretty happy camper!
At this point, a TW ICS can only make things better (provided I can still keep CWM and Root of course!)