Just got my dock today and all I have to say is, wow. This is one helluva sweet device now. The functionality of both touch screen and keyboard rock!
I love the extra expansion, it's crazy how how much extra you get with the dock. I can now have the 16g onboard + 16gig micro sd plugged into tablet and 16g Sd plugged into dock. That's one helluva lot of storage for a tablet and for the price, it's outstanding. Add the two USB connections and it rules. Looks damn good too.
Great job Asus. Love my xformer
Ya it'd own even more if they fix the 4% per hour battery drain on the dock when the tablet is docked and it's sleeping.
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Ya it'd own even more if they fix the 4% per hour battery drain on the dock when the tablet is docked and it's sleeping.
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Man, it never ceases to amaze me how many people just want to whinge on this forum. Just plain amazing - now go back to the dock-battery thread.
Love my dock too - use the tab about 6 hours a day, charge the tablet every or every second day, but it is fantastic when out and about. Last Sunday was out and about without access to Internet or computers for 12 hours - but my trusty TF brought me season 3 of "The Big Band Theory" to keep me entertained!
Maybe yours is an early version or defective, mine doesn't drain like that. I've had no charging issues. The keyboard will always charge the Transformer unless it is fully charged and use the keyboard battery first, if the Transformer is using WiFi or GPS it will drain the keyboard.
absolutely agree with OP. Fantastic device, even if it does have a few quirks. I wish the root development scene was moving a little further, cause there is alot of potential for this thing!
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Ya it'd own even more if they fix the 4% per hour battery drain on the dock when the tablet is docked and it's sleeping.
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Actually, I don't think that'll be an issue. I have the newer dock model (B60KAS) and from what I've read/seen there is no drain.
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brandon... said:
absolutely agree with OP. Fantastic device, even if it does have a few quirks. I wish the root development scene was moving a little further, cause there is alot of potential for this thing!
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I'm starting to wish I were an affiliate, I've sold three people on them and they're all very pleased.
Me and my eee pad plus dock have now, reached an understanding, it is a truly amazing device when coupled with the dock, as an avid fan of android from launch and the owner of an original I pad, I have now realised that all my gripes are based on comparison with the I pad. OK it does have a few little annoyances, but on the whole after a month of use, this thing seems to be getting better by the day. I think Asus are bang on the money with the TF. The screen is superb and build quality better than most high end laptops. I agree with earlier comments about the negatives played against the TF being over the top, I myself was of the original wingers. But everything it does that works OK, it does brilliantly, and im sure the rest will follow.
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Actually, I don't think that'll be an issue. I have the newer dock model (B60KAS) and from what I've read/seen there is no drain.
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So do you think it is hardware related? Would be a bummer, I still hope this is fixable with a firmware upgrade for the dock
Ordered my dock yesterday, will hopefully get it tomorrow.
Really looking forward to it after reading this thread
Yes, dock is really great.
I charge my TF once a day (during the night) and could work a whole day of meetings, mail replying and browsing without to be worried of battery lack.
However, I think the battery time could be better (perhaps, Prime 1.5 combined with 1.5 Ghz kernel is the cause), seems to be better when I was with stock system. The Dock also provide a very convenient way to type texts, etc... without transporting my portable PC.
A very good investment (even somes think it's not really necessary) on my side.
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You are easily impressed. LOL!!!
It is a neat little device....but there will always be something newer....but not necessarily better.
I do however, love the expansion options made available to us with the dock.
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So do you think it is hardware related? Would be a bummer, I still hope this is fixable with a firmware upgrade for the dock
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Not sure, I just finished reading further and I guess some people on even the same model as mine have the issue. I'll keep an eye on things and see how it goes. Not sure if it'll be an issue or not, I will update later.
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Digiguest said:
You are easily impressed. LOL!!!
It is a neat little device....but there will always be something newer....but not necessarily better.
I do however, love the expansion options made available to us with the dock.
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After having owned an iPad, yes, I'm easily impressed by devices that don't suck.
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So do you think it is hardware related? Would be a bummer, I still hope this is fixable with a firmware upgrade for the dock
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I own a b50kas and have no drain, others have, nobody even knows whether it is a defective tablet or dock that causes the problem, how many tablets docks are affected ? Maybe only a few, if i would have this problem i would rma both tablet and dock.
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I was pretty sure everybody has this battery drain issue but now seeing some peeps come out of the woodwork just today claiming they don't. Now I didn't notice this battery drain issue until other users started mentioning it so then I paid closer attention to it, well that plus somebody put out a battery widget that showed you the dock level whereas before I didn't have a way to check. I have not shut my Transformer off while docked and let it sit to see if it then doesn't drain, if it doesn't then I suspect it's possible some of us including myself have some app running (maybe the dual battery widget?) that's causing it. I shall try this tonight.
I think the reason that a few don't see the draining is that they using the combo with a transformers at 100%. Because i doing it right now and i don't see the problem. So everybody with the problem should charge both to 100% and testing it.
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I think the reason that a few don't see the draining is that they using the combo with a transformers at 100%. Because i doing it right now and i don't see the problem. So everybody with the problem should charge both to 100% and testing it.
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No as I stated my tablet is always at 100% and I have this issue, I actually just leave mine docked all the time and when I put it up for example when I leave for work, or go to bed, my tablet is 100% and the dock may be anywhere from 30% to 96% and this issue happens, so it has nothing to do with not having it at 100% when you dock it.
I wonder, does everybody here use a dual battery widget? I've always wondered if maybe the widget itself is the cause, liek it' spinging the dock for battery level all the time. Would be interesting to see if we say charge everything up to 100%, uninstall the battery widget and reboot just to ensure it's gone and not left running, then let it sit idle and reinstall it later and recheck. I may do this tonight/tomorrow and see.
I agree. I ordered the dock with mine when I got it and haven't looked back. I use it with the dock probably 90% of the time. Its a good mix of function and form for my use. This device pretty much replaced a laptop/netbook/tablet for me. Combined with a WiFi hotspot from my Inspire 4G this thing rocks.
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Just got the evo3d and wish there was something like this for it,
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Just had a new ota dock update but still have the same number ep101-0209 anyone had the same or know what is for.
There is another thread on this same topic. The general conclusion was that there is no new update. It may be something wrong with the OTA update process. Even if a download and install was done if you your dock already had ep101-0209 then nothing changed.
I had the same thing, I'm the one that started the other thread. One thing to note though, before that mysterious update my dock was draining at 4% per hour with wifi off and tab asleep before, now I'm at 1-2% per hour with wifi off so something seems to have been fixed.
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I had the same thing, I'm the one that started the other thread. One thing to note though, before that mysterious update my dock was draining at 4% per hour with wifi off and tab asleep before, now I'm at 1-2% per hour with wifi off so something seems to have been fixed.
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Sorry should have checked for other posts, mine was also draining whilst docked, will check to see if there has been an improvement, would be nice to think it was a fix they implemented in their lasted batch, that is maybe being fixed on the older versions.
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Sorry should have checked for other posts, mine was also draining whilst docked, will check to see if there has been an improvement, would be nice to think it was a fix they implemented in their lasted batch, that is maybe being fixed on the older versions.
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Did you find out if the update helped with dock battery drain?
Yes mine is vastly improved I would say mine now drains about 10% in 8 hours with tablet docked and wifi left on. Battery life seems to be improving with more charges. As I said in the other thread on battery drain on the dock. For the features it adds for the extra £50 I paid bundled I can find no fault with the dock, it is superb value, addedbattery life,sd cardand 2 usb ports, brilliant. I can understand all the frustration with those who want the perfect notebookand tablet combo. Android has only just been approved by google for tablets let alone for netbooks, here you have a fast solid state drive device which works great for the first of its kind. I would be suprised if more than a few thousand out of the hundreds of thousand sold actualy get returned. I am gobsmacked by the rants on this forum, and only discovered my ipad had light bleed by sitting in a dark room watching a black screen, and that was after owning it 12 months, sheep came to mind lol. Asus have given us more than any other tablet manufacturer.
Maybe all these guys who are on their 4th or 5th TF should give up and stick to apple, where you can take it back every week under apple care
Perfect tablet ipad? whoops even that has light bleed, if you want to find it.
Let us know what dock models and country origin got this update notice? B5/B6? US/Canada/China?
I've grown attached to the dock and carry it everywhere with me.
My friend just calls it a modular netbook...and now I am inclined to agree. A really awesome modular netbook with a crazy good touchscreen, battery life for days and I really like the Honeycomb OS in this environment.
The only time I take it out of the keyboard is when I want to read on the Kindle app (which is really cool btw...if you have a regular Kindle it will sync the pages).
same her, only ou of the dock when my little son (4) is playing racing games on it!
I leave my Transformer in the Dock at home, but when I go out to a coffee house or out somewhere for casual email and surfing, I just take the Tablet to save weight.
I only remove mine from the dock when I need to view something in portrait (i.e. reading books, or comics) or when I'm taking pictures or video.
The look on people's faces when I undock is pretty awesome.
100% out of the dock. I never got the dock. I loved the whole concept of the dock but knew i would never use it.
Dont get me wrong. not knocking the dock- just wasn;t for me.
I wouldn;t mind the extra battery life though.
morning and afternoon: with the dock (using office pe); evening: just the tablet (surfing, email, angry birds, forums).
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100% out of the dock. I never got the dock. I loved the whole concept of the dock but knew i would never use it.
Dont get me wrong. not knocking the dock- just wasn;t for me.
I wouldn;t mind the extra battery life though.
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I've grown attached to the dock and carry it everywhere with me.
My friend just calls it a modular netbook...and now I am inclined to agree. A really awesome modular netbook with a crazy good touchscreen, battery life for days and I really like the Honeycomb OS in this environment.
The only time I take it out of the keyboard is when I want to read on the Kindle app (which is really cool btw...if you have a regular Kindle it will sync the pages).
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I'm half and half. Works great both ways.
I'm half and half as well. Docked at the house mostly, but tablet-only on the go most of the time. I still take the dock with me for the extra juice if it is needed.
Either way, awesome concept.
i`d say about 70% without the dock, 30% with, but I always have the dock with me.
Im about 70/30. I read at night without and about split my browsing about 50/50
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if i'm reading or even casual browsing I might take it out but more often than not I am docking.
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100% out of the dock. I never got the dock. I loved the whole concept of the dock but knew i would never use it.
Dont get me wrong. not knocking the dock- just wasn;t for me.
I wouldn;t mind the extra battery life though.
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My feelings exactly! Haven't found any reason to buy the dock after using it all these months.
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rio911 said:
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My feelings exactly! Haven't found any reason to buy the dock after using it all these months.
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I thought I didn't need the dock....until I got the dock...and now I won't anywhere without it (nor do most of the people who have it).
I am the same way; I love the flexibility to do either
Probably 70/30 dock/no dock here as well. One thing i do more and more, though, is that I use the dock like a portable charger. I charge it while using the tab by itself, and when it gets low I unplug the dock from the wall and use it to charge the tab (as it charges automatically from the dock). Then when the dock is empty, I disconnect the tab, plug the dock into the wall, and start again. I try to time the stages so that I'm doing my e-mailing etc while the dock is in use, and games when it's separate and charging.
That way, I can use my TF indefinitely without ever having to use it while it's plugged into the wall.
Which is convenient, because that cord is damned short.
The only time it is off the dock is when my sons play games that require portrait view or gyro steering.
The dock works so well as a stand and screen protector that I do not even bother to buy a sleeve. Extra battery life and faster typing with physical kb is definite plus.
Since using an ipad for games, my TF never leaves the dock - there's no reason to now.
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I don't have a dock and I am not going to buy one. It'z just perfect without it. I am in Thailand right now and I am using it a lot. I do everything you can imagine. And it's super stable all the time.
Mostly with the dock..Sometimes without ...especially when the battery in it has died and I'm charging it.
I like it both ways but with the dock more.
I own a Transformer Wi-Fi 16GB model. I have owned this since August when i got it for my birthday. I am a Huge android fan boy, recently at work for a thank you gesture, our small dev team received 4 ipad2s as a thank you from management.
I gave the iPad to my fiancée who is pretty much all Apple, (iPhone, mac pro personal and mac pro laptop work and now ipad2)
Last night i just charged both devices to 100%.
On Transformer (no dock) I turned unit off and turned back on and started NO applications.
on ipad2 i did nothing, just charged and removed it from charger first.
Removed Transformer from charger afterwards.
Went to bed at midnight.
woke up at 8am
IPad2 was still at 100%
Transformer - 95%
iPad2 is on latest iOS 5.01
Transformer - is on latest 8.6.5.19 and CPUSpy showed 8 hours of Deep Sleep
So the Transformer is performing as it should battery wise it just pales in comparison to the ipad2 and the battery management shows.
I can use the iPad2 very moderately throughout the week and never have to charge it.
the Transformer i have to charge every few days with the same moderate usage.
just such a bummer, everyone around me is jumping ship to Apple iPhones and iPads
here i am loyal to Android since the G1 when it launched, Mytouch, and my now Samsung Vibrant and Transformer Tablet.
I feel sometimes I am on the losing team. I am and WILL hold out for Ice cream sandwich but if ICS doesn’t perform like it should, I fear I may have to jump ship too.
there is only one thing i hate the most about Android.... the Lag/stutter in apps and home screen swipes.
iOS never does this at all yet every iteration of Android always has some type of frame rate/lag in the system.
yes i know people say Root and get on another rom but why should I have to? ios people don’t have to do that, their OS just works with no lag so why cant Android get rid of their stutter?
ok rant over.
You said you opened it and started no apps. But most apps auto start up on boot. Are you using a task killer?
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IPad2 was still at 100%
Transformer - 95%
So the Transformer is performing as it should battery wise it just pales in comparison to the ipad2 and the battery management shows.
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Not sure a difference of 5% qualifies as "pales" Also Transformer is running multiple apps in background from last use. ipad most likely not running any if not started during this session.
And what is the size of each battery? Did you take that into account?
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no i dont use a task killer, i used to on gingerbread andd froyo roms on my phone but after hearing everyone come down with the fire from hell like rain if they found out you were using a task killer on Honeycomb (because honeycomb is supposed to be great at App Management) i dont use a task killer.
the only apps i have on my transformer are the default apps and words with Friends.
also verified while charger was still plugged in and after tf101 was rebooted, that the recent apps or current runnin apps icon showed no apps running (im sure there were some other core android apps running in memory on boot up)
Also iPad2 was rebooted as well. i work in QA at my software company so i pay attention to detail and steps and made sure that both devices were as close to a specific state as possible for this test. in a nice world i would have taken an average with different app scenarios but i didnt feel like it for this personal test.
i the Device is in Deep Sleep then power and app management should be superb and they are for Android but compared to iOS app and power management not so much.
i even loaded PULSE RSS feed aggregator on both devices and the experience is night and day.
nice fast and fluid on the iPad2
on the TF101 with the same feeds and pages, very slugish and laggy and takes more time to draw each individual image in the windows.
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Not sure a difference of 5% qualifies as "pales" Also Transformer is running multiple apps in background from last use. ipad most likely not running any if not started during this session.
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Pales when combined with my ipad2 usage over a week compared to my Transformer usage over a week.
i can go over a week with no charge with an iPad2
i cant go more than 2-3 days with out a charge with a TF101
so deep sleep drain with nothing running on a freshly charged device showign 5% drain over night is a positive indicator of where your battery usage is headed with this device.
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And what is the size of each battery? Did you take that into account?
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Im sure this would make a difference throughout a week period (which might be why i need a charge quicker over a week period vs. the ipad)
however i would expect if a device is in deep sleep, that its power/app and battery management would be a little better on par thats all.
i am in no way trying to start a war which i can feel is about to come, not looking for people to come down on me.
I am a true Android devoted user, i just can see the differences between the OS's with small things.
overall the Android experience satisfied so much more than the ipad does which is why i did not keep it and let the fiancee have it but there are some things to be desired from the iPad2 thats all.
Are you honestly *****ing about losing 5% battery over 8 hours? Really? Not to mention you were apparently running CPUSpy, so obviously the tablet wasn't completely idle as you have tried telling us 5000 times.
I sell iPad 2 devices and haven't seen this amazing comparison between the two devices in regards to battery life... My Transformer has lasted longer than the iPad many times so I don't know, every device is different I guess!
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i dont care what your running, when you start up android, basically every app you have auto starts up. that is why when your phone starts up you cant just hop on and use it that second. get a task killer. if you want to do a test like this, please do it correctly before ranting to the community.
1. each device fully charged
2. kill all running tasks/apps on each device
3. either do the exact same thing on each device(with the same wifi/3g or whatever) or keep them idle and only check every hour
theese arent the best ways to test but there a whole lot more accurate then what you were doing
No one should be a fan of anything. If you think having better battery life is the most important part of your tablet experience, then get the ipad 2.
For me, the flexibility of android trumps the ipad's battery life. But that's just me.
This is capitalism. We shoudn't have a team mentality here. If you think the ipad suits your needs better, then get it. No drama here.
ok a few problems with that rant first as someone above said you were using cpu spy which uses resources and seccond turning on and off the tablet is the largest and quickest way to lose battery. when i reboot i expect to loose about 3% battery because of the power required so that 5% is perfectly reasonable
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just such a bummer, everyone around me is jumping ship to Apple iPhones and iPads. I feel sometimes I am on the losing team. I am and WILL hold out for Ice cream sandwich but if ICS doesn’t perform like it should, I fear I may have to jump ship too.
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Tell me about it, I'm still a BlackBerry fan! (For smartphone, not for tablet.) I've had that "losing team" feeling for a while. You get used to it. Use the product you love, not the one you think is most popular.
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i even loaded PULSE RSS feed aggregator on both devices and the experience is night and day.
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I've never tried that one. Used to use newsr, but lately been using Google's own Reader app for Android. Been very happy with it. Might be worth a shot if you haven't tried it. It's optimized for tablets too.
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i can go over a week with no charge with an iPad2
i cant go more than 2-3 days with out a charge with a TF101
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Well, you know, I read this, and I can't help but think, and sorry to be rude but... honestly, "who cares????". Are you away from electricity for more than 2-3 days at a time more than once a year? Maybe you like taking week-long camping trips to campsites with no electricity? Maybe? I don't know, but for most people I know, 2-3 days is tons. I just charge mine up overnight, so I never have any downtime due to charging. I'm struggling to see what the big deal is. I mean, yes, 2-3 days is less than a week, but does this really affect you?
Cheers!
I don't really think it's possible to match iOS in battery life...
1. It's real multi tasking on Android, apps consumes more power
2. Android itself is not as efficient as iOS (java vs Objective-C)
I would be skeptical of any device that after 8 hours (assuming you sleep eight hours) still reports 100% battery.
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I would be skeptical of any device that after 8 hours (assuming you sleep eight hours) still reports 100% battery.
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It's not impossible, my captivate does this with certain firmware.
3 points I want to bring up.
1 age of battery. It sounds like you have had the TF longer than the ipad. Which may say that the battery has not been calibrated correctly yet. Also older batteries lose their charge.
2 multitasking. Android actually leaves open apps and processes running. Ios will freeze or suspend them. Android's approach will use more battery.
3 your approach at testing such stats could use some improvement. For one, you could look at the processes running in stead of the apps or the open window list. That list is very innacurate at showing what is actually open.
Lastly imho how long either of these stay on is not really a point I would consider bickering about. For what the TF and ipad do the battery life is well past my expectations. Laptops and netbooks seem like a waste of money now for a good portion of the population in comparison to the computing power, portability and battery life of a tab.
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3 points I want to bring up.
Laptops and netbooks seem like a waste of money now for a good portion of the population in comparison to the computing power, portability and battery life of a tab.
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Not until a tablet that I can type without lag, get a full office suite that handles more than one document and store a single file larger than 4GB, lol
These are just some basic stuff on PC.
I own an iPad 1 and a transformer. I use my iPad most days and my transformer about two or three times a week. The iPad still last longer. I don't see why everyone is so defensive about it, the iPad does last longer.
They OP said how he feels and that the didn't want to start a war. I don't understand why every thread is criticized by someone. End mini rant.
I have the OG iPad and the TF. The battery is better on the iPad. However the keyboard dock and additional charge time is nice. We can get into battery size and calibration and how OS runs background apps and battery drain. I'm just saying battery wise I agree with you, but compared to the Galaxy Tab and Dell Streak 7 I'm pretty pleased with the TF battery. I wish I could do that with my Motorola Atrix.
I'm ok with custom roms. They are fun and can help also with battery life.
Best of luck.
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I own an iPad 1 and a transformer. I use my iPad most days and my transformer about two or three times a week. The iPad still last longer. I don't see why everyone is so defensive about it, the iPad does last longer.
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I completely with this. My experience with the ipad tells me the same thing. Battery does last longer with the ipad. That said, to me all the advantages of android outweighs (by a lot) the battery disadvantage.
Again, to the op. If you feel battery is the most important thing about a tablet, then I recommend you go with the ipad. I am not a fan of anything. I simply want what's best for everyone.
I just posted a very positive review of the TF300 today and just got back home after being at work for ten hours. I left the dock and tablet at over 95%, but just got home to find the dock at 0% and the tablet at 46%. This is obviously awful and makes the Toshiba Excite seem great in comparison.
Settings:
MobileDock battery saving mode is on
Disconnect network during sleep is on
Set to balanced mode
Set to turn off after two minutes
I turned the tablet off before I closed to the dock and when just opened the display was off.
The only two listings are 64% for screen and 36% for idle.
Is this normal? If so, this is abnormal.
weird, i don't recall that ever happening to me... try it again, charge it to %100 and leave it on sleep mode at night and check in the morning if the problem persists. if so you may have a defective unit so return it using your warranty.
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Another thing I notice is at least in Dolphin, the browser crashes when trying to view Flash video in full screen. I have never had that happen with any tablet or phone before. Weird. Like always, set in desktop mode for user agent.
Edit: Must have been a fluke since a restart fixed it. need to charge now anyway to see if I get the drain again.
I noticed if you turn off the tablet then dock it, the tablet will turn back on. But have never noticed a battery loss that significant. So be sure to dock the tablet first then power down the tablet.
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Another thing I notice is at least in Dolphin, the browser crashes when trying to view Flash video in full screen. I have never had that happen with any tablet or phone before. Weird. Like always, set in desktop mode for user agent.
Edit: Must have been a fluke since a restart fixed it. need to charge now anyway to see if I get the drain again.
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Most browsers arent 4.0 optimized best browser i have found is boat browser its amazingly smooth and full screen flash is working
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I've had mine for over a month now. Had something similar happen one time. Best I could figure out was ICS did not properly shut down a game I had running. I assume it was just a rare random occurence.
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Another thing I notice is at least in Dolphin, the browser crashes when trying to view Flash video in full screen. I have never had that happen with any tablet or phone before. Weird. Like always, set in desktop mode for user agent.
Edit: Must have been a fluke since a restart fixed it. need to charge now anyway to see if I get the drain again.
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You should check out the new dolphin beta that just came out today, supposedly wickedly fast. It is here: http://dolphin-browser.com/2012/06/dolphin-browser-is-the-fastest-html5-mobile-browser-try-out-our-dolphin-engine-in-beta/
It did it again last night:
Made sure no apps were pushing data and turned notifications off for all apps
Restarted the device and opened no apps
Five minutes later I put the device to sleep (closed it).
The display was off
Result: This morning the dock was dead and the tablet was at 65%. This was after only six and a half hours (I usually do not sleep much).
The only activity was the display at 84% and idle at 16%. I checked a few times through the seam of where the KB and tablet are closed and the display was off for thirty minutes before went to sleep. I then had to get up a few hours later to let my dog out and the display was still off.
The last time I had problems like this was the infamous A500 problems where the display would come on, stay on and the device would die. In this case, the display is not coming on, yet the display is eating the battery and the device is warm (dock and tablet). The A500 was obvious, since the display was on.
Folks, I just want something to work correctly. My HTC View loses 5% over three days and my iPad 3 wifi loses 1%.
How can the display be off, yet the device be warm and the battery log show the display is the majority of the usage? No doubt the display was off (at least at the times I checked).
The display is the majority of the usage period. When in normal yesterday with 100% brightness the display used 99% of my battery use. That extra 1% was for the dozen or so apps I had used. The fact that the idle hit that high is a good thing but something else may be affecting it.
Have you tried disconnecting the tablet from the dock and then letting it sleep?
That is my next test, but if they can not behave together, the value of having the TF300 diminishes. I would need to keep them is need to leave seperate, since defeats the function for me.
I see the point in at least testing to see if the dock is the issue. Could be a bum unit, but also could be the dock does not like cards being left in.
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That is my next test, but if they can not behave together, the value of having the TF300 diminishes. I would need to keep them is need to leave seperate, since defeats the function for me.
I see the point in at least testing to see if the dock is the issue. Could be a bum unit, but also could be the dock does not like cards being left in.
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My tf300t works amazingly without any battery problems.. I'm a very heavy user of it. also try getting that app that monitors background/network process...forgot name if someone could help. Also the dock could be at fault since the dock automatically turns on the tf300t same as if you would charge it with the cable it turns it on while charging.
I believe the build.prop mod contains something about deep sleep that might help ya but if ur in the 30 days just replace it why bother when u might have an intermittent defective unit . problems that can happen once in a while might be a pain in the ass later on.
I do not regret choosing this tablet over everything else on the market it works great and it is replacing a laptop for me.
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I've had no problems with the battery on my tf300. It lasts all day when I use it (and because it's new I'm giving it some heavy use) and when I do need to charge it it only takes an hour or two. Maybe because you just close it something doesn't shut off. I don't own the dock.... Yet but when I do I think the extra life out of that will be awesome. On a second thought I was also wondering what would happen if you just left it on the charger overnight? I put my phone in a dock to make it my alarm clock every night with no problems. Is a tablets battery different that it wouldn't be healthy for it to be left on the charger? Or does it needs to fully drain then charge to 100%?
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I agree it is nice system so hope I figure it out. My Office Max dock should be in soon, so have to return this dock anyway. OM was $100 (sale) and BB is $150. BB matched the OM price on the tablet ($350), but the dock was not in stock at OM. Ended up ordering one online from them.
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I've had no problems with the battery on my tf300. It lasts all day when I use it (and because it's new I'm giving it some heavy use) and when I do need to charge it it only takes an hour or two. Maybe because you just close it something doesn't shut off. I don't own the dock.... Yet but when I do I think the extra life out of that will be awesome. On a second thought I was also wondering what would happen if you just left it on the charger overnight? I put my phone in a dock to make it my alarm clock every night with no problems. Is a tablets battery different that it wouldn't be healthy for it to be left on the charger? Or does it needs to fully drain then charge to 100%?
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I normally do leave it on charger but it is problematic when away from home, since uses as much battery as when on. Not to mention it can not be doing the batteries any good.
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I normally do leave it on charger but it is problematic when away from home, since uses as much battery as when on. Not to mention it can not be doing the batteries any good.
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why not just return it for another one? instead of going through so much trouble. rather be safe than sorry
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For process of elimination I tested the battery drain with the sdxc card out of the dock. This seems to help, but still have over 20% battery drain (a lot less, but still bad).
Next step is the tablet on its own and then I will test with my newer dock, since just came in from Office Max (need to return the $150 one to Best Buy). Hoping the dock was the issue since if the dock and tablet can not behave together, I will return them and not dwell on it anymore.
Hoping the drain is gone so can keep Having the sd card, micro sd and 32gb internal solves all my gaming and media needs, but need the batteries to not bleed out when should be asleep (not practical to travel with- as is).
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For process of elimination I tested the battery drain with the sdxc card out of the dock. This seems to help, but still have over 20% battery drain (a lot less, but still bad).
Next step is the tablet on its own and then I will test with my newer dock, since just came in from Office Max (need to return the $150 one to Best Buy). Hoping the dock was the issue since if the dock and tablet can not behave together, I will return them and not dwell on it anymore.
Hoping the drain is gone so can keep Having the sd card, micro sd and 32gb internal solves all my gaming and media needs, but need the batteries to not bleed out when should be asleep (not practical to travel with- as is).
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Aftera few full cycles i notice battery depletion much slower also I keep the tablet in balance and performance when gaming things like nova 3 and tegra stuff etc. And around 25-30% brightness is more than enough indoor . My battery last me all day on 1 charge including the dock wich it charges arund 60-65% extra battery. This are just estimates through my experience with it not concrete data.
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I have 40 more days to return the tablet with Best Buy, so want to see what the issue may be and avoid resinstalling everything and setting up if can avoid it.
I really like the tablet and also that it is not clocked higher (better for heat and battery). It plays N64, PSX and MAME Reloaded fine. Ditto for Flash and hidef video content. Touch response is as good as my iPad 3 and former Toshiba Excite.
Also, for $350 the tablet is REALLY nice. Not wanting to paying much more, since already have a 64gb iPad 3 (2X the cost of the Asus). I mainly use Android tabs for Flash sites that do not work on the iPad (Amazon Prime is example) and game emulators. Heck, even books and comics look sweet on the 300
Along with the dock, the 300 makes a GREAT mini-system for games and media
Besides, I am not a fan of 1920X1200 displays being pushed by the Tegra 3 and no gpu modification. The chips sweet spot is 1280X800. My iPad 3 rocks with hi res but has a bigger gpu to support it.
Update: Even with the new dock the batteries are sucking dry. 20% gone in a little over an hour. It is like the display is on, based on the drain.
Will test tonight with just tablet, since same result with two docks.
I hate to ask this because it's seems so obvious & condescending - but what have you installed? Did you try doing a factory reset? I've had 5 android phones and few times I've loaded some obscure piece of software that killed the battery. I've even loaded ROMs that sucked the battery down with no mods.
I ask because I just got my TF300 yesterday and played with it all night without charging it. I did the 4.0.30 OTA update as soon as it booted up. I let the keyboard completely die and left the tablet (undocked) this morning with 56% on it. I didn't put either on the charger because I want to see roughly how long it will run without doing so. I'm hoping I have no problems such as yours, but I'm watching this thread closely.
Ok, so you know what my usage is - Like I said, I left this morning (6:30) with the keyboard dock battery dead & the tablet battery at 56%. I got home this evening (5:00) and the tablet was at 53%.
Luckily I'm not seeing the problem you are (though I haven't tried to charge the keyboard yet), but at least you have a warranty to fall back on.
So I thought of making a thread on your experiences with the battery consumption ratio depending on use etc. My main reason of doing this is because I suspect my dock has a bad battery and I would like to see you guys experience with your tablet/dock combo.
Noticed much difference between power saving, balanced and performance mode?
Processor wise I know each has a rating of 1ghz,1.1ghz and 1.2ghz. I dont see how this would make a big impact in battery life. Now I dont know if these also regulate anything else than the cpu frequency as to make it a noticeable thing.
Whats's the ratio of your Tablet/dock charging? ( what I mean is once your tablet reaches 70% and dock kicks in to charge how much battery would it be left on the dock after tablet reaches 90% wich is point where dock stops charging..
If I leave it charging without using it my dock is left with about 55% battery.
Last night I left the tablet at 52% and the dock fully charged so I left the tablet in sleep mode and charging with the dock. when I come to check on it battery was at 90% dock at 25% . I'm curious if the scaling is alright or am I having a performance loss.
I noticed the dock discharging while it is not supplying battery to the table ( By the time my tablet reaches 70% for the dock to kick in to charge the dock has gone down to 98%).
The biggest power drain is definitely screen brightness though this IPS display seems really nice indoors no more than 20% brightness seems to be needed.
I would also like it if we could post your advice for a better battery life on these wonderful tablets to later on make a recollection of all and post them on 2nd Post
I'll try to keep up and be adding em there.
Well this is what I got in my head so far if your willing to post any other experiences or advice I would gladly appreciate it.
I'm somewhat of a complete noob, I'm here to learn and share my experience with other users.
Battery life tips.
1. If distance is not an issue use bluetooth tethering instead of wifi tethering. It consumes less battery on both devices.
2.Try using the brightness level you need not max it out like most people do.
3.If your an active user on wi-fi, turn on setting for wifi not go to sleep. Every time tablet goes to sleep mode it would be disabling and enabling Wi-fi wich in many devices this has proven to consume more battery than keeping an active connection.
This list will keep growing as more tips are posted.
This is a well timed thread, since I have been having battery issues and the tablet on its own is not the problem. For whatever reason, the dock and tablet together equals massive battery drain in sleep mode, where the tablet on its own only uses one percentage point over night. The majority of both batteries are drained if docked in sleep mode.
I charged the dock to full on its own and unplugged it and will check this evening to see status.
Tablet on own =
Tablet docked = :silly:
Well when I am not using my tablet for sleeping or working I usually just shut it down. Doesn't make sense to me to just always have it on. I'm usually away from it for long periods of time and it doesn't take long to boot up. Plus if I go to use it later in the day or a few days later I'm not looking for my charger because I fully charged it before shutting it down. I keep a laptop/computer mentality with it where if I'm not using it turn it off.
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This is a well timed thread, since I have been having battery issues and the tablet on its own is not the problem. For whatever reason, the dock and tablet together equals massive battery drain in sleep mode, where the tablet on its own only uses one percentage point over night. The majority of both batteries are drained if docked in sleep mode.
I charged the dock to full on its own and unplugged it and will check this evening to see status.
Tablet on own =
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Well as I said before on ur thread I would replace it in ur case though a corrupted firmware could cause that. On my g2x a bad Install once drained my battery like crazy so might want to try that. I think u need to unlock though
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I do not think there is any firmware in the dock itself. I think it is a pure slave device that is controlled by the tablet. The tablet on own does not have a drain issue, but when docked they do together.
On my second dock now with same result.
The tablet and dock together ironically seems to have the same battery life in sleep mode as my Q2670 Lenovo 14" gaming laptop = bad I was hoping the dock and tablet combo would be just as efficient as an Android tablet on own and avoid having to cold start when using it (that seems so Windows to me).
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Well when I am not using my tablet for sleeping or working I usually just shut it down. Doesn't make sense to me to just always have it on. I'm usually away from it for long periods of time and it doesn't take long to boot up. Plus if I go to use it later in the day or a few days later I'm not looking for my charger because I fully charged it before shutting it down. I keep a laptop/computer mentality with it where if I'm not using it turn it off.
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Well in my case I am replacing a netbook.
I use it for a lot of things like Torrenting, college notebook,games, media,internet browsing etc. I give it its full use.
Asus already knows about this problems. Its due to bad software in the keyboard dock (yes there is software for it/ only Asus can access it.) Its actually B.S. the only fix is to send dock to Asus and pay shipping urself. And they'll fix and send back. Prob about a month later
Or you can use the tweeked build.prob like I did. Shuck will allow deep sleep while docked.
Deep sleep = no battory drain
Just be careful with changing build.prob
read 5 times fully can't go wrong lol
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Asus already knows about this problems. Its due to bad software in the keyboard dock (yes there is software for it/ only Asus can access it.) Its actually B.S. the only fix is to send dock to Asus and pay shipping urself. And they'll fix and send back. Prob about a month later
Or you can use the tweeked build.prob like I did. Shuck will allow deep sleep while docked.
Deep sleep = no battory drain
Just be careful with changing build.prob
read 5 times fully can't go wrong lol
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Are there docks that do not have the problem that can be identified? This seems a silly miss by Asus.
Both docks I got from two retailers have the issue.
Also, do you need root? Any guide to fixing and links documenting the problem are appreciated.
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Are there docks that do not have the problem that can be identified? This seems a silly miss by Asus.
Both docks I got from two retailers have the issue.
Also, do you need root? Any guide to fixing and links documenting the problem are appreciated.
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Ive also tryed returning dock for a new one. No luck
I'm not sure but I think the docks only work as suppossed to on. 17 firmware. That's my best guess. Just look under development section. Only post by seanzscreams can't miss it for tweaked build prop.
Believe u need root. Or process alot easier if you have it. Just be careful if you don't follow instructions exactly can brick. But if you do everything which isn't much and not hard at all even for a noob
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Ive also tryed returning dock for a new one. No luck
I'm not sure but I think the docks only work as suppossed to on. 17 firmware. That's my best guess. Just look under development section. Only post by seanzscreams can't miss it for tweaked build prop.
Believe u need root. Or process alot easier if you have it. Just be careful if you don't follow instructions exactly can brick. But if you do everything which isn't much and not hard at all even for a noob
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My dock seems too be working just fine and if this where such a common problem it would be everywhere.... im half sure the problem is ur guys tablet as it seems tablet controls functions on dock...
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Separated, my tablet consumes 1% in ten hours and the dock about the same when in sleep mode. When together over the same time, they collectively drain almost 70%. The dock is dead and the tablet with the rest.
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Separated, my tablet consumes 1% in ten hours and the dock about the same when in sleep mode. When together over the same time, they collectively drain almost 70%. The dock is dead and the tablet with the rest.
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Stop chasing cats replace the damn thing already lol
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Rushless is right... I also see more drain now with new firmware, when the tablet is docked.... Seems like a bug
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Stop chasing cats replace the damn thing already lol
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No kitties here. As stated, they both work fine on their own and have had two docks. Testing another 300 yielded the same result.
The problem is the two pieces together. I think the sleep mode is borked when docked and bleeding power at a non user level.
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No kitties here. As stated, they both work fine on their own and have had two docks. Testing another 300 yielded the same result.
The problem is the two pieces together. I think the sleep mode is borked when docked and bleeding power at a non user level.
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Well i dont see this issue anywhere else seems like ur cursed or something
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So... back to battery saving tips.
I get scary long battery life by just reducing screen brightness. Would like to mess with build.prop but haven't yet. I know there is replace n go's out there but I want to find out which settings do what specifically. Still looking for more information on the subject.
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So... back to battery saving tips.
I get scary long battery life by just reducing screen brightness. Would like to mess with build.prop but haven't yet. I know there is replace n go's out there but I want to find out which settings do what specifically. Still looking for more information on the subject.
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I give this about 8-9 hours daily on 1 charge of tab\ dock.
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My battery life:
Docked and using fairly heavy- about ten hours
Docked and in sleep mode- Both batteries dead in 14 hours
Undocked and using fairly heavy about seven hours
Undocked for over 12 hours tablet = 98% Another time was 99%
Undocked, the dock went 24 hours = "100"%
Ironically, my problem is with the device docked in sleep mode. Two docks, two tablets- same issue. No info showing an app or media task causing it, so lower level bios issue. Both tabs newest firmware, no clue what the docks are/were. Have one each now.
Those having problems, check "Settings/Asus Customised Setting/Mobile Dock Battery Saving Mode"
Enable it and see if it matters
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