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Xperia X12 to ship week 3, 2011

Found this article about some possible features of the X12, or Cliaro (not eclairo as someone posted )
Rumours specs:
1.5Ghz TI OMAP 4 Processor
4" AMOLED screen 1080 x 720 resolution (looks a bit suss... what a weird aspect ratio)
Gyroscope
10mm thick
12MP AF Camera
and... a third UI to go with Time/Mediascape
If this is for real, say goodbye to support for the X10 after this year, as SE will surely place all their efforts on the newer device
But knowing me I'll probably jump to the X12 anyway
Link:
http://www.prlog.org/10926413-selec...indicate-slim-powerful-device-on-the-way.html

1080 x 720 on 4"
3.33" × 2.22" (8.45cm × 5.64cm) = 324.5 PPI, 0.0783mm dot pitch, 105300 PPI²

no surprise if this is real.
it's almost half year since last SE flagship.
but x12 is a weird name isn't it?
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No way. You can tell this is a lie because they will never have AMOLED screens. It will be a super LCD.
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why? sony use AMOLED in their walkmans...

gaolinde said:
no surprise if this is real.
it's almost half year since last SE flagship.
but x12 is a weird name isn't it?
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I've read in previous annotations of the rumor from within the past few days the x12 will have a 12.2 megapixel camera,
so not all that wierd. (kinda like X10 wasn't X3/X5 as it was a new branch of XPERIA phones)

Keep in mind that a rumor by any other name is still a rumor. I don't doubt most of the specs of this rumor but I wouldn't consider it anything more than rumor until it is officially announced by SE. Many details are likely incorrect or likely to change before it's finalized and announced.

Same for me, it looks like more like a rumour rather than fact.
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I dont think it's true, I beleive qualquam or what ever there name is JUST started shipping the new processors out and are excpected to be released by Q3-Q4 of 2011, that seems way to soon, plus we know how fast sony works on the software side.
X10 could have been released what, nov-dec 2009? and came out march/may 2010?
most of if could be true but the release date must be WAY off.

1080 x 780 = Standard NativeTV HD resolution

I bet is has no multi touch lol
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Why would Sony ship their flagship phone with screens made by other companies when they can use Super LCD screens that they use? They wouldn't use it in their flagship phone.
I have also seen another webpage claiming it to have a 1.2Ghz processor and a Super LCD screen.
There is no fact behind this.

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I bet is has no multi touch lol
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i bet it does ;p

Findee said:
Why would Sony ship their flagship phone with screens made by other companies when they can use Super LCD screens that they use? They wouldn't use it in their flagship phone.
I have also seen another webpage claiming it to have a 1.2Ghz processor and a Super LCD screen.
There is no fact behind this.
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Perhaps SE doesn't know they have a branch making screens?
Anyway lets just wait for an official statement. Guessing isn't going to change their plans.
If it gets released before we have froyo, there is a big chance it won't have grotto either.
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*lift rug, pick up brush, sweep x10 under rug, drop rug, sidle away whistling*
I guess this is what sony will do with the x10 if this x12 is a reality.

Looks like its a strong rumour though, also looks like 2 powerful phones, the other being a windows7.
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/09/12...roid-smartphone-with-12mp-camera-1080p-video/
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succesor to the x10 pah, they've done feck all with the x10.

I guess using an AMOLED screen would be just like se though. Htc are starting to use SLCD and for good reason so se just have to go opposite the others.
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I hope they don't turn into Apple and start releasing a new model every year =(

No offence, but even if it as good as that spec says, I WONT be buying one, had my fingers burnt by SE.. Never again.

Official white paper of x10 mini by SE(have they gone mad)

Hi again,as i posted the official white paper of x10 by SE a few days ago now i am posting the official white paper of x10 mini,have a look on this and tell has SE gone mad as you can see there will be 16.7M colors on x10 mini where as X10 will still stick to 65k(not even 256K),please comment on this what do you think SE is doing,is this a good move by them to their generous customers?Thanks and below is the link: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/cws/download/1/742/291/1268292895/dw-300004-X10_minipro_WP_2.pdf

WHAT THA FU*K!!!! I bet they made a mistake lol

dk2000zx said:
WHAT THA FU*K!!!! I bet they made a mistake lol
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i hope so otherwise ***************** what should i say.

That better be a f-ing mistake!!!!!!
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They have to give the mini something to make it look like a worthwhile purchase. It hasn't got much else going for it lol
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NightSidew1nd3r said:
They have to give the mini something to make it look like a worthwhile purchase. It hasn't got much else going for it lol
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Well seeing as to how it costs less than half of what the X10 costs, I don't think it should have much going for it in the first place if the X10 doesnt

That's just pure BS from them. I know we're going to get it, but still ridiculous on their slow asses.

This device is a wicked device but its just SE are a bunch of w*nkers who dont please their customers as they used to before the x1, since xperia god knows what they playing at. Tbh i love my x10 and yes i do miss my blackberry 9700 but hey u win some u lose some
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hmmm se is making a huge mess lately :S

the specs are correct. We have the x10 and x10 mini in canada:
http://www.rogers.com/web/link/wire...pe=normal&productId_Detailed=X10MINIR&N=52+11

Looks like it's a game over for the x10

As I own an x10 mini I can confirm the phone does indeed support 16 million colours.
I'll upload a screen cap if you like, but I wouldn't want to offend x10(big) owners.

Contrarian said:
As I own an x10 mini I can confirm the phone does indeed support 16 million colours.
I'll upload a screen cap if you like, but I wouldn't want to offend x10(big) owners.
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Lol jerk!
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As promised

Lower color depth improve framerate, remember, the x10 screen is huge.
And, also, SE are such cheap bastards.

rcso2010 said:
Lower color depth improve framerate, remember, the x10 screen is huge.
And, also, SE are such cheap bastards.
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yeah I just can't believe it -.- hope the mini dies faster than the big one xD

Contrarian said:
As I own an x10 mini I can confirm the phone does indeed support 16 million colours.
I'll upload a screen cap if you like, but I wouldn't want to offend x10(big) owners.
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Dont think anyone would be offended, I would take a 4 inch screen over 16million colours anyday. And it still looks brilliant with just 65k
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SE has gone off their rockers with the 2.1 update. True X10 has a big screen, HTC Desire HD has a bigger one 4.3 and it has 16M colors.
Thinking to upgrading my X10 to HTC Desire HD when it releases in Oct, this one has 2.2 out of the box.
Flash, App2SD, 8M CAM, more memory, FM radio, multi-touch and bigger screen with 16M colors, makes my X10 looks like an extinct dinosaur.

gpmg762 said:
SE has gone off their rockers with the 2.1 update. True X10 has a big screen, HTC Desire HD has a bigger one 4.3 and it has 16M colors.
Thinking to upgrading my X10 to HTC Desire HD when it releases in Oct, this one has 2.2 out of the box.
Flash, App2SD, 8M CAM, more memory, FM radio, multi-touch and bigger screen with 16M colors, makes my X10 looks like an extinct dinosaur.
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Yes, desire hd sure looks beautiful I must say. Everything the x10 is and then some.....not to mention it smoked the nexus one with froyo on the benchmark test
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gpmg762 said:
SE has gone off their rockers with the 2.1 update. True X10 has a big screen, HTC Desire HD has a bigger one 4.3 and it has 16M colors.
Thinking to upgrading my X10 to HTC Desire HD when it releases in Oct, this one has 2.2 out of the box.
Flash, App2SD, 8M CAM, more memory, FM radio, multi-touch and bigger screen with 16M colors, makes my X10 looks like an extinct dinosaur.
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You know... in 6 months, there will be an even better phone, right?
You know... that's how technology works, right?
You know... it's silly to compare year old technology to brand new right?
Nah. I welcome your posts in 6 months, when SE announces the X20, with Android 3.5 out of the box, with support for PlayStation 3 games, super-multi-touch, and a 50mp camera with x-ray vision that makes your Desire HD look like the **** a dinosaur took millions of years ago.

[Q] Sony Xperia Arc Opinions

The Arc looks like a fantastic all around phone in that it has great clear/loud sound/with mega bass. I wonder if this phone is using the Wolfson chip.
Takes great pictures in low light/video is smooth/Hdmi mirroring. Very smooth UI and great colors on the screen.
It has a single core Qualcomm Scorpion MSM8255 processor. I realize its not a Dual Core phone but since they are just entering the market I would prefer to go with a single core 2nd generation phone.
I was thinking of getting the Samsung Galaxy S II but Samsung is still doing updates on the first Galaxy S and I don't trust them re updates.
Sony has stated that they did not handle updates for the X10 very well but promise to do a lot better with updates in regards to the Arc,I believe them.
Furthermore bigger isn;t always better.(Dual Core Vs Single Core)
In the end I want a phone that has clarity/volume in regards to phone calls/Great Camera/Good Video/can play games on it.
Would love to hear your opinions on the Arc Pro/Con.

how could you believe a thief when he tells you he won't steal anything anymore...
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I'm looking for opinions on this phone not looking for stuff like you can never trust a thief.

Its not using wolfson chip.
The camera is about as good or maybe 5% better than the X10's. (check GSMArena photocompare)
The Bravia Engine works only with pictures or videos. Rest of the time its just like any other TFT LCD.
Internal memory is a measly 500 mb.
I personally don't think the Arc justifies its price tag, the Neo has everything the Arc has but at a much cheaper price.
Oh and like the X10, it will take months to crack the bootloader, so no custom ROMs.

SEFanX10i said:
Its not using wolfson chip.
The camera is about as good or maybe 5% better than the X10's. (check GSMArena photocompare)
The Bravia Engine works only with pictures or videos. Rest of the time its just like any other TFT LCD.
Internal memory is a measly 500 mb.
I personally don't think the Arc justifies its price tag, the Neo has everything the Arc has but at a much cheaper price.
Oh and like the X10, it will take months to crack the bootloader, so no custom ROMs.
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apparently this is not the case. The hard lockdown on devices in the past has made it hard even for SE to upgrade the phones. The new phones are said to have a more open bootloader to make it easier to update

+1 for the Neo (how could SE have stuffed up and not given their flagship model a front facing camera.. but given the cheaper model the same fancy new screen and camera chip and also given it a Front camera!) are they really that stupid?
I'm going buy an HTC or Samsung next..and if not them a motorola.. after those choices.. I might consider a Neo
Kiwi

And so here I am on a brand new Arc. Had it for a day or so and must say it's been very smooth so far. My latest phone was an X10i so this is not terribly different...
Anyway, first impressions are very good. Great screen. Native Exchange integration is perfect (except I can't sort contacts by other than first name, believe this is an Android quirk). WiFi tethering was very smooth. DLNA was hitch-free. In-call sound quality is very good, I'd say better than the other Xperias I've had (apparently it has a little mic that takes up background noice to cancel it out, though I think I'll need to fly with a head-set to experience this properly). Why they've switched the "menu" and "back" buttons around I can't understand for the love of me, but maybe there's a reason...
Overall, with my short experience it's been great, so far. Certainly a phone I would recommend to any non-X10 user and probably to those that have X10s, as well.
Cheers for now/M
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what a lucky person!!! i love the phone so much. you must be very close to SE. so can you please advise when it will be released. it think april is too late to wait. im keen to have the phone right away.
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A video review from a guy at ESATO forums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlIiD5he1S8
My thoughts...very nice design, good screen and very good camera, the bad? it lags too much.

oh wow, I just actually clicked on the video LOL I know that person personally since he's in Thailand. Like both him/I said, wait for the final firmware. That unit he has is still a very early prototype, no where near the final. Some of the hardware isn't even implemented yet, you can tell which . Cheers

joplin48 said:
I'm looking for opinions on this phone not looking for stuff like you can never trust a thief.
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look,when you talking about you don't trust sgs which is only 3 months younger than x10 and got 2.2 update almost the same time as x10 got 2.1, and knowing that SE announced x10 would never receive 2.2 but samsung never claim they won't provide further version, but then you said you trust in SE?
i don't think you need any oppinion at all.
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Got to play the arc, neo and play last night, and I also saw the arc at CES. Its certainly improved since then, and huggee fast first time round.
One thing I noticed is that the widget overview is now smooth, no lag like before.
As for neo vs arc, there are lots of similarities, but when you pick the phones up the arc feels better, special somehow. The neo feels normal... Also the display is better on the arc.
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Does arc support 3g video call?
GN Multimedia - X10i

Nope. No front-view camera.

McHan said:
Nope. No front-view camera.
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Thanks. So sad... really 3g video call feature.
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Neo vs Arc..... I'll say Arc for the design, never used front cameras and don't see a reason to use it
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i am really happy eith it, is fast and has one of the most important thnigs to me... design, the galaxy brand look like crap and are based on iphone design

There are Differences on Arc and Neo not just the Looks
Arc
>Clear Black Panel(No Air Gap, Great Sunlight Legibility, 20% more Brighter than Neo)
>Lightweight(117g) vs (126g)
>Slim Arc Body(8.7mm~10.5mm) vs (13mm)
>Screen Size 4.2" vs 3.7"
Neo
>Front Facing Camera
>Better Hardware Positions(Camera Sensor, Shutter Key)

New phone!

Im planning to get a new phone, the infuse or g2x which one should i pick...i still love my x10 (
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G2x over the infuse definetly. The dual core processor is awesome and its fast, awesome screen, and one of the best out there
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The colours are often tooo dark and unnatural on the sgs2. There is not nuch loading diffrence between the Arc and Sgs2. The qrc screen has more natural colour that look great! So defibetely the arc.
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if u want power along with beauty go for Samsung Galaxy S2 (the best phone available right now)... latest hardware shouldnt be outdated for another 10-12 months... btw some of the TOP devs at XDA are already working on SGS2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058
lg 2x (aka G2x) has got good hardware but they have wasted a lot of space on the handset design... i have tested it and the display/screen is only 4'' but the whole device feels unnecessarily bulky/big almost as big as the 4.3'' ones... the touch sensitive buttons are not really very sensitive and require a little fiddling to get them to work (especially HOME button)...
if u just want to go for the looks of the Arc only then buy it... already outdated hardware... it is already 8-10 months old (MSM7230/QSD8255)...

PlayGunsta said:
The colours are often tooo dark and unnatural on the sgs2. There is not nuch loading diffrence between the Arc and Sgs2. The qrc screen has more natural colour that look great! So defibetely the arc.
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LOL
wow it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about
The sgs2 beats the arc in every possible area, except MAYBE camera, and even that is debatable.

DooMLoRD said:
if u want power along with beauty go for Samsung Galaxy S2 (the best phone available right now)... latest hardware shouldnt be outdated for another 10-12 months... btw some of the TOP devs at XDA are already working on SGS2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058
lg 2x (aka G2x) has got good hardware but they have wasted a lot of space on the handset design... i have tested it and the display/screen is only 4'' but the whole device feels unnecessarily bulky/big almost as big as the 4.3'' ones... the touch sensitive buttons are not really very sensitive and require a little fiddling to get them to work (especially HOME button)...
if u just want to go for the looks of the Arc only then buy it... already outdated hardware... it is already 8-10 months old (MSM7230/QSD8255)...
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Now here is someone who knows what he's talking about....
You'd be stupid to buy an arc right now imo.

SG2 is your best option for now but personally I'm waiting for SE to come up with a good xperia phone (hardware-wise) because although Sg2 is really powerful with impressive specs imo it hasn't got style at all

riginal said:
SG2 is your best option for now but personally I'm waiting for SE to come up with a good xperia phone (hardware-wise) because although Sg2 is really powerful with impressive specs imo it hasn't got style at all
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you'll be waiting a long time....
By the time they put a dual core out, quad core phones will be out.
SE is always one step behind the game for some reason, they definitely aren't innovators

fiscidtox said:
you'll be waiting a long time....
By the time they put a dual core out, quad core phones will be out.
SE is always one step behind the game for some reason, they definitely aren't innovators
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Well only ONE step is fine with me as long as it's something as good looking and stylish as X10 but currently it's more than just one step
& I can wait for a while because I'm still happy with my X10

riginal said:
Well only ONE step is fine with me as long as it's something as good looking and stylish as X10 but currently it's more than just one step
& I can wait for a while because I'm still happy with my X10
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I'd like to see them put something out that is at least on par with the current technology....
I don't want to buy a phone and have it be obsolete in just a couple months

PlayGunsta said:
The colours are often tooo dark and unnatural on the sgs2. There is not nuch loading diffrence between the Arc and Sgs2. The qrc screen has more natural colour that look great! So defibetely the arc.
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Wow, the OP wasn't even talking about either phones.

Impresive responses, thank you guys!
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fiscidtox said:
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wow it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about
The sgs2 beats the arc in every possible area, except MAYBE camera, and even that is debatable.
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You're calling almost 1 second faster beating a phone? Then you're crazy.

kozxmartt said:
Wow, the OP wasn't even talking about either phones.
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Ever heard of advise?

fiscidtox said:
I'd like to see them put something out that is at least on par with the current technology....
I don't want to buy a phone and have it be obsolete in just a couple months
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by the way why you think that SE won't catch up? I mean they didn't do bad with their first android phone (hardware-wise) or did they?

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You're calling almost 1 second faster beating a phone? Then you're crazy.
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1 second faster?? lol
Where are you getting these numbers?
Also, 1 second of speed for a cpu makes a hell of a difference, one second of lag vs. one second of no lag.
It is 2-3 times more powerful and has at least double the quadrant score and linpack.
The cpu/gpu is a current gen vs. an outdated one.
You can think whatever you want, but electronics is my job/field.
The sgs2 is far more advanced than the arc.

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by the way why you think that SE won't catch up? I mean they didn't do bad with their first android phone (hardware-wise) or did they?
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It wasn't bad, but they pushed off releasing it so far that by then it was falling behind, especially with the version of android.
Then they release their new batch of phones, a full generation behind what the technology is shifting to.
I love my x10 still, but I'm definitely not impressed with SE's latest offerings. They're going to have to do/release something major to get me to buy an SE phone for my next phone

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It wasn't bad, but they pushed off releasing it so far that by then it was falling behind, especially with the version of android.
Then they release their new batch of phones, a full generation behind what the technology is shifting to.
I love my x10 still, but I'm definitely not impressed with SE's latest offerings. They're going to have to do/release something major to get me to buy an SE phone for my next phone
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precisely...
the dual core chips (MSM8660/Terga2) were already available they should have atleast kept the "Flagship" phones i.e. the Arc & Play with latest hardware and kept the rest on single core (MSM7230/QSD8255)...
BTW i already have the Arc, its a beautiful device but not really that powerful...
still like my X10 with all the dev thats going around... its challenging

I have ordered a S2 and will recive ut in about 2weeks. It. Will be my first phone that is not a sony Ericsson.
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The SGS2 has definetely some lagg. But not as much as on arc. Fanboys My next phone will be a quadcore from HTC If it comes haha!

Xperia ray

Hey, I am most likely getting an xperia ray on Wednesday. Is it the phone to get? Is it much better then the x10? It looks brilliant but I don't want to be conned from the good looks lol. Also, there is only one tiny section got the xperia ray on this forum, why is that? Is it because it is unpopular? Anyone else here for an xperia ray? Is it gold? Let me know thanks
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Hey, I am most likely getting an xperia ray on Wednesday. Is it the phone to get? Is it much better then the x10? It looks brilliant but I don't want to be conned from the good looks lol. Also, there is only one tiny section got the xperia ray on this forum, why is that? Is it because it is unpopular? Anyone else here for an xperia ray? Is it gold? Let me know thanks
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Its in almost every case better than the x10.
only the letdown is, that it dosn't support Camera flash. Only Photolight like the X10.

samuel109 said:
Hey, I am most likely getting an xperia ray on Wednesday. Is it the phone to get? Is it much better then the x10? It looks brilliant but I don't want to be conned from the good looks lol. Also, there is only one tiny section got the xperia ray on this forum, why is that? Is it because it is unpopular? Anyone else here for an xperia ray? Is it gold? Let me know thanks
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Its the best budget phone its like arc mini
same res same processor same gpu
what if it have a small section its having official cm and that is a real custom rom
its 10 times better than x10

All phones around the same time have smaller sections. Check the arc, incredible s, etc.. sections to see what I mean.
The ray is a lot nicer than the arc imo.
The build quality looks a lot better too.

scoobysnacks said:
All phones around the same time have smaller sections. Check the arc, incredible s, etc.. sections to see what I mean.
The ray is a lot nicer than the arc imo.
The build quality looks a lot better too.
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100% agree whit scooby the look is just gorgeous in gold or black matte the only down is the screen size i wouldn't mind it being a tiny bit bigger but hey no phone is perfect ;p
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Yo, worth to buy, it has same hardware as Xperia Arc but I think it is better lol. I want a Xperia Mini or Live With Walkman then
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I would buy it in a heartbeat if it was the same size as the Arc.
I just can't use phones with <4 inch screen. If you can, then that's the phone to get. It's beautiful.

kantk20111 said:
I would buy it in a heartbeat if it was the same size as the Arc.
I just can't use phones with <4 inch screen. If you can, then that's the phone to get. It's beautiful.
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That's exactly the thing which put me off buying it
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BUY IT! its my favourite phone because its small.
the only problem is that it makes me regret investing in the x10 even more.

Wow, I wonder if it would be cool or a nuisance having a smaller phone? Having awesome hardware in a smaller package...

xperia man said:
Wow, I wonder if it would be cool or a nuisance having a smaller phone? Having awesome hardware in a smaller package...
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Well, this technology is going to be used for many years by se. Android and small phones are these of the feature. But ofcourse there's always a bigger version out there..
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I think the Xperia Ray is one the most beautiful phones out there. The price/quality of this phone is great.
Keep in mind what you are planning to use the phone for. Will you need a bigger screen? I would advice you to go to the store and try it out.