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Leaving world of X10i for Galaxy S - some thoughts briefly!

Hi guys,
Thanks so much to all the devs and members here who've posted tips, workarounds, rooting tools, and now custom roms for the X10i.
Your contributions have made the X10i a great device to use, particularly the JVM and multi-touch work.
I had my X10i since August last year from brand new.
Unfortunately yesterday I dropped a heavy mountain bike pedal on it from a 1metre height which smashed the top-right of the screen. The touch panel still worked, but it started rebooting continuously (4x in a row at one point) and was beyond repair.
I'd always had rebooting issues (2-3x per week) but this somehow had made it considerably worse.
Insurance has let me buy a Galaxy S (I9000) for an extra NZ$57.
I'd like to say that the X10i had a considerably sharper and more detailed screen than the Galaxy S. This is immediately obvious.
The X10i felt far more solid. The Galaxy S feels a lot cheaper.
However, I'm really enjoying the responsiveness of the Galaxy S (after rooting etc) and it feels several times faster than the X10i.
Android 2.2 is great. It's really good news SE is upgrading the X10i to 2.3.
So again - thanks - see you on Gingerbread!
Cheers
Aidan

By the way two of my accessories for the X10i are going free here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13077136#post13077136
Only if you're in New Zealand though! (postage costs)

awojtas said:
Hi guys,
Thanks so much to all the devs and members here who've posted tips, workarounds, rooting tools, and now custom roms for the X10i.
Your contributions have made the X10i a great device to use, particularly the JVM and multi-touch work.
I had my X10i since August last year from brand new.
Unfortunately yesterday I dropped a heavy mountain bike pedal on it from a 1metre height which smashed the top-right of the screen. The touch panel still worked, but it started rebooting continuously (4x in a row at one point) and was beyond repair.
I'd always had rebooting issues (2-3x per week) but this somehow had made it considerably worse.
Insurance has let me buy a Galaxy S (I9000) for an extra NZ$57.
I'd like to say that the X10i had a considerably sharper and more detailed screen than the Galaxy S. This is immediately obvious.
The X10i felt far more solid. The Galaxy S feels a lot cheaper.
However, I'm really enjoying the responsiveness of the Galaxy S (after rooting etc) and it feels several times faster than the X10i.
Android 2.2 is great. It's really good news SE is upgrading the X10i to 2.3.
So again - thanks - see you on Gingerbread!
Cheers
Aidan
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Bad time to have a accident! New phones are just around the corner. I am personally hanging on to my X10 until Galaxy SII comes out.

Totally agree.. wish I was getting an Arc as a replacement or Galaxy S2 as you say... but here in New Zealand we're often a few months behind the rest of the world and I needed the phone replaced soon... :-(

My friend has a captivate.
it's a good phone.
it definitely feels cheap though,
But its strong.
I've seen out dropped and stepped on.
The touch screen is much better.
You really should have held out for just a bit longer.
I'm holding out for the xperia play.
Wish it had hdmi out though.
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do what you think is best I understand why cause of how long they took to update the x10 but they now have the arc and play out which are great phones

markstaylorx said:
do what you think is best I understand why cause of how long they took to update the x10 but they now have the arc and play out which are great phones
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All the reviews I've read beg to differ, especially the play which supposedly has a horrible screen

Hiii
Firstly I got to say since the first time I held An X10 I fell in love and I wuldnt change for the world
But my Sister recently had a Galaxy S as a new phone and for the first time I'm actually jealous.
Good luck mate cuz the Galaxy S Is a BRILLIANT phone and I wish you all the best.....

Yeah I second that ;-) enjoy the upgrade.
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I had a captivate and then sold it and switched around and found my white x10. Honestly, when you have a good custom ROM on the x10, its speed is comparable to the Galaxy S (though I do have to admit the captivate I had was slightly faster).
I am someone who makes use of the camera on a phone, the x10 camera is seriously great and one of the reasons why I would pick x10 over GS. Second, is style, x10 is sexy, we all know this.
In terms of customizations, the Galaxy S series are more triumphant in this regard.
Good luck with your Galaxy S!

I spent hours and hours at times customising my X10i. I loaded different froms, JITted it numerous times, played with build.props and all - and I'd honestly say the Galaxy S is dramatically quicker still, even after I've now loaded most of the same apps onto it.
The screen feels more sensitive. The graphics are smoother. Loading apps is dramatically quicker.
I never felt the X10i's screen was accurate, like it was calibrated right, but if you used a Paint app and tried to draw straight corner-to-corner lines they were wiggly as anything. This meant sometimes clicking buttons, apps or typing was a little frustrating as you would have to top often slightly above the button.
The Galaxy S's camera is better and worse than the X10i.
Better: no stupid purple/green tinges when the picture is low contrast; it's way faster; the colours are more realistic. 30fps for 720p is really nice.
Worse: The resolution is definitely worse! The X10's camera eats the Samsung's 5mp in terms of resolution whether a bright outdoors photo or even high-ISO low-light indoors. There is also no auto-focus during video on the Galaxy S
If you're reading this and considering a Galaxy S, the things I miss are:
- LED notification (fix: NoLED, uses the AMOLED screen to display notifications instead. Seems okay.)
- Hardware camera button
- The weight of the X10, it felt like it was made better
- 8mp camera and video auto-focus
- SonyEricsson's UI overlay actually was pretty cool (not talking about Timescape here!)
The things I would never go back to the X10 for, that I like on the Galaxy:
- Speed.
- Touch screen that is accurate
- The extra RAM, built-in storage, etc.
- The better battery life (about 30-50% better so far)
- Thinness and lightness are quite nice actually.
I will probably come back to SE for the Arc - the camera and style really appeal to me.
I don't play games so the Play doesn't float my boat.
If anything, I used to sneer at Galaxy's as they looked "cheap". Now, I am thoroughly glad I changed and would definitely consider a Samsung phone as my next phone to be compared with SE Arc or Neo.
They're both great devices overall and have pros and cons of each.

I think the reason the galaxy feels much quicker than the x10 is because of the fps limit on the x10. When I tried the custom kernel that removed the fps cap the phone was sooooo much smoother, and just as smooth as my friend's galaxy s. But congrats on your new phone, I hope you enjoy it a lot !!!

I agree the Galaxy S is the better of the 2. I've had my friends Galaxy S here when I just had my X10 brand new (2 months ago) and both had stock ROM (2.2 on Galaxy, 2.1 on X10) and the Galaxy was superior.
Later I started using Wolfbreaks 2.2 ROM and that greatly increased the X10's performance but still it wasn't anywhere near the Galaxy, and that thing was still running stock.
I for one never had any regret getting the X10, mainly because of the price difference. I got mine using my moms phone plan because she didn't need a new one and I wanted to get rid of my W995. It costs me a total of €15x12 months = €180 in total for a brand new X10. The Galaxy would've been at least twice that amount.

Galaxy has superior gpu, screen & most obviously the software on a stock Froyo GS is miles ahead of Eclair with the Android platform and further the Samsung app quality is of a greater standard than Sony's.
16GB Internal storage and 32GB additional SDcard is always giving a huge benefit but the main point for me is the quality of the software, battery life, speed.. everything about a Galaxy S is better and the camera is damn good. Video calling is excellent!
What really surprised me, Sony invented the Walkman and Beta. So naturally I expected the sound to be better on a Sony, so wrong. Samsung is much clearer and more defined, as for the screen & gpu on the Galaxy it's impossible to even put the X10 beside it, like comparing analogue to HD with the X10 clearly made of infantile components, compared to the same company who delivered the Nexus S and for good reason.
Sony admitted to making mistakes with the X10 and using a Galaxy for a day, they become very clear and that is before you need to even consider modifications to the Galaxy. For the X10 it's impossible to get any quality from the device, without running a fully customized rom, kernel and apps... which I hope for the future Xperia devices is resolved but with device's like the Atrix and Galaxy 2 on the market at the same price, there isn't even a chance you could sway me towards another Xperia.
Play looks good for kid's, but if I wanted a PSX it's much cheaper to buy one, after all how many 10yr Old kids need smartphones?
Same applied when I bought a new camera and this time, it wasn't a Sony cybershot because Nikon & Canon have that one well covered. Sony & smartphones aren't even closely related in my opinion and trying to be a Jack of all trades has shown them as masters of none, at least for the X10, Arc, Neo, Play.. perhaps that's going to change with the Pro and I really hope they take their exceptional hardware skills and get up to speed with software in the future.
The design of Sony is fantastic. Hopefully the future sees them shine in Android.
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I do think the 2.3.3 update will solve a lot of annoyances but yes, you'd probably still need some good custom ROMs to get anywhere near todays high-end smartphones. I agree with you on the sound quality. Where my Sony Ericsson W995 is still the phone with the most superior sound quality, it went downhill with the smartphones.
SE did present their new walkman smartphone the other day though, the W8. Although it's basicly a rebranded X8 this may be signs that SE doesn't wanna drop the Walkman line yet and that might be good for us in the future.

Atrix IMHO changes the game entirely. What I'd be looking at if I was Sony, is that concept with their lessons learned from the X10. They really have great looking hardware and I expected too much with the X10. Completely agree with Gingerbread and 2.3.3 upgrade, will go miles in improving the device.
The real issue isn't Android versions, it's the restrictions imposed by the bootloader. Lacking sources for the Framework and customer apps like Timescape etc, is something Samsung, Motorola and HTC all suffer from.
With recent developments, opening the boot loader web service and choosing to upgrade to 2.3.3, it may provide Sony an edge over Samsung, Motorola and HTC if they were bold enough to make such a move and release sources to core services, Framework, Contacts and Timescape, opposed to the plugin architechture.. actual sources!
Garmin / Asus make affordable Androids but to be honest in comparing software, Asus beats Rachel, provide sources for development and have faith, there are brilliant mind's with time and idea's that no amount of money can buy.
If anyone has an X10 or Arc they can part with, I need one as I never was able to complete some of the AOSP work I was doing and would be very happy to hear in a PM if this may be you
What upset me about having been given a Galaxy S, is I'm no longer able to develop for XDA without having one to work with. I felt a part of something with XDA & developing for the X10 which, now is gone.. :-(
For all it's shortcomings, I miss my X10 and loosing it, has left a space nothing will ever fill - lol - awww haha..
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MrHassell said:
Atrix IMHO changes the game entirely. What I'd be looking at if I was Sony, is that concept with their lessons learned from the X10. They really have great looking hardware and I expected too much with the X10. Completely agree with Gingerbread and 2.3.3 upgrade, will go miles in improving the device.
The real issue isn't Android versions, it's the restrictions imposed by the bootloader. Lacking sources for the Framework and customer apps like Timescape etc, is something Samsung, Motorola and HTC all suffer from.
With recent developments, opening the boot loader web service and choosing to upgrade to 2.3.3, it may provide Sony an edge over Samsung, Motorola and HTC if they were bold enough to make such a move and release sources to core services, Framework, Contacts and Timescape, opposed to the plugin architechture.. actual sources!
Garmin / Asus make affordable Androids but to be honest in comparing software, Asus beats Rachel, provide sources for development and have faith, there are brilliant mind's with time and idea's that no amount of money can buy.
If anyone has an X10 or Arc they can part with, I need one as I never was able to complete some of the AOSP work I was doing and would be very happy to hear in a PM if this may be you
What upset me about having been given a Galaxy S, is I'm no longer able to develop for XDA without having one to work with. I felt a part of something with XDA & developing for the X10 which, now is gone.. :-(
For all it's shortcomings, I miss my X10 and loosing it, has left a space nothing will ever fill - lol - awww haha..
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good luck ,,........

Galaxy S2, The Destroyer?

So the GS2 has been getting fantastic reviews and the specs are just monstorous! It pretty much kills anything on the market right now, how do you feel about this? Will the Arc be outdated quicky? These phones move WAY to fast for me...its not even funny...you buy a phone and theres already one that makes you feel inferior...

solidkevin said:
So the GS2 has been getting fantastic reviews and the specs are just monstorous! It pretty much kills anything on the market right now, how do you feel about this? Will the Arc be outdated quicky? These phones move WAY to fast for me...its not even funny...you buy a phone and theres already one that makes you feel inferior...
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While I think the GS2 has better technical specs than the SE, I think the overall design of the Arc is much more unique than that of the GS2. I also find that the Sammys tend to be more plasticy (if that is a word). Additionally, I don't think apps (and the OS) have been optimized for the dual core processor in the GS2.
What the GS2 has going for it, is a front facing camera (which should have in the Arc too) and an unlocked bootloader! Those two might tempt me to pick up a GS2 to play around with.

You should have waited for S2 instead of buying Arc What specifications S2 was going to have, was published on every mobile site since S2 was announced

I do think always to buy things per my own need not to what is the highest. I did care for design and decent performance. ARC was and is the solution for me. Does S2 devalue my arc? no! This is not a good example but I will try
You are driving an Audi RS4 and then Nissan GTR comes out with a performance car, do I care? no because I love my RS4 very much(BTW I don't have a RS4)

Nimche said:
I do think always to buy things per my own need not to what is the highest. I did care for design and decent performance. ARC was and is the solution for me. Does S2 devalue my arc? no! This is not a good example but I will try
You are driving an Audi RS4 and then Nissan GTR comes out with a performance car, do I care? no because I love my RS4 very much(BTW I don't have a RS4)
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+1 well said..

SGS II is also ~150 USD more expensive than the Arc.
With the rapid growth of GPU and CPU for mobile, IMHO, spending your every pennies to get the top line of these hardwares every couple months is not worth it. It will get depreciated very quickly. And all the values left would be:
1. design and built quality
2. battery life
3. functionalities
Arc's beautiful design and 8MP camera + exmor r, however, will stay on top of the line for quite a while

(1) The Galaxy S2 is Fugly
(2) "Samsung" and "quality" are two words that wont be used in the same sentence.

I don't think the Arc is in anyway now going to be forgotten about.
I was initially going to wait on the S2, but it was going to cost me about £150 on the plan I'm on, where as the Arc was free. Not really bothered about the dual core CPU as it runs more than fast enough as it is. Front facing camera I don't care about as I'm never going to use it (don't think many iphone users do either as it only works on wifi). The feel and quality of the S2 is way way way below that of the Arc too.
So still well happy with my choice.
Dazza

solidkevin said:
So the GS2 has been getting fantastic reviews and the specs are just monstorous! It pretty much kills anything on the market right now, how do you feel about this? Will the Arc be outdated quicky? These phones move WAY to fast for me...its not even funny...you buy a phone and theres already one that makes you feel inferior...
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I just purchase Arc from Japan knowing it's long been outdated. Even several months old Atrix's has killer specs compared to Arc. I still went for Arc mainly because of it's styling.
I want to wait for GS2 but the styling doesn't appeal to me and not having LED notification kind of killed my desire for it.
With Android handsets, by the time the phone you desire hits the market, there is another killer one coming in a month. It's hard to keep waiting. But, I will move to GS2 if it looks better outside than it is in pictures. But, I doubt Samsung can make anything as attractive as SE phones . Just the SAMSUNG logo kills it for me

mtechfan said:
(2) "Samsung" and "quality" are two words that wont be used in the same sentence.
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Could not agree more!!! Well said!

LOL I agree, it has monster specs but it is FUGLY! Arc and IP4 are MUCH better looking..

SGS2 is definately amazing phone specs wise. There's no denying that. I was going to get SGS2, but got Arc instead. I just wanted to get rid of my iPhone.
Arc looks amazing, works very well and is fast. SGS2 is faster and has better screen, but Arc actually does everything I need currently. I think Arc is enough for me the next 2 years. There will always be new stuff coming, but there is no real need to change every 6 months.
SGS2 will probably be the king until SGS3. But it doesn't make my Arc bad. Actually my Arc is excellent

A phone with better specs than the Arc has been released, so what?
It was bound to happen at some point.

What I really don't like about the galaxy phones is how they look and feel like previous versions of the iPhone. Seriously, the tipping point for getting the arc over the other phones is its unique style. Do you trade off specs and performance for style? Not really. But I don't see the need to pay extra when I can get something that I want and that pretty much caters to what I need.
If you want to be future-proof, get the SGS2 - it might be the HTC Desire of dual-cores with its potential long life. Give it a couple months more and a few more dual-core phones will come out. Will you be wanting every new phone with better specs?
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mtechfan said:
(1) The Galaxy S2 is Fugly
(2) "Samsung" and "quality" are two words that wont be used in the same sentence.
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+1 on that

I think you guys are stuck with arc. And couldn't afford sgs2 so why bashing it? And quality on sgs2 is way better than arc. Only thing arc has is camera and Hdmi 2.3 and slim other than that same as x10. I don't see how and why people bought the arc
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I could afford to be choosy when opting for a phone I liked the arc so got the arc you can to through life upgrading everything tvs pcs cars houses phones but there is always something bigger and better round the corner so just enjoy what you have
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well, i was on the fence between both phones but ended up with the arc, its just an awesome phone, super fast, even in the browser, which i was surprised.
the x10 was trash, but now that sony is giving it 2.3 it makes use of all of its hardware. so its actually a pretty good phone now. the arc of course is way better.
dual-core wouldnt really be as future proof as people are making it out to be....unless ofcourse your idea of future proof is about 6ish months long till the next big thing comes out....and didnt nvidia already map out quad-cores? which means the wait for 2.5+ would be needed since 2.4 will take advantage of the dual-cores.
coming from an atrix, the only real noticable difference in speed comes when you open certain apps, and even then...the difference is by about...1, maybe 2 seconds? so until android can utilize dual-cores, a single core phone done right is fantastic.
*personal preference here*i love sony's screen for movies and pics vs Samoled. cant comment on Samoled plus but the over-saturation and fake colours on the galaxy S phones drove me nuts :/
so those are some of my reasons for getting the arc over the Gs2.

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+1 on that
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+1 on this.. lol..!!

Doesn't look like double cores have any real advantage right now, something really better for the user. Unless you're counting any second after app launching.
It's definitely the future but I wouldn't pee in my pants because of that right now.
SGSII is probably awesome. However has inferior design, inferior UI (for me of course) plus the fear of quality. And Samsung software doesn't seem polished ever. SGSI had issues AFAIK and just look at their WP7 problems story.

On the whole, is the Arc worth it? Opinions...

I am looking to upgrade my phone this week, going from a Sony Ericsson W995, and I am looking into getting the Arc. I have been set on it for weeks, but just read on the SE forums a few threads about the phone just randomly shutting off and not doing what it is meant to do.
I just wondered if people would recommend it or not, and if these posts are true or not?

Obviously every phone is different so some ones would reboot and some wouldn't. Mine doesn't everything works for me perfectly, the only thing thats bugging me is that development isnt doing too good, in not complaining cause I know it will come eventually cause the phone hasn't been out that long. I would go for tho phone 100% I cant find anything wrong with it so and ice had it for over a week now
Hope this helps u
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Mine is up for 550 hours without reboot.
It speaks for itself.

Had mine since Mar 31st - and I love it.. had the X10 before and this is 100000000000000000000000000000000x better than that was!.. Had no real big problems with it.. only thing that people seem to consistently have issues with is a bug in the HD video recording which is causing the voice and images to go out of sync.. I'm expecting that they'll fix this in the next firmware release in June(ish)

Well, you are @ arc forum. most people like their phone per details they were looking for. On the other hand, you have to sort out your important facts which you are expecting from your next phone(which varies from one person to another).
Problems you have listed don't appear for everyone, whether I have been lucky with phone or not, I have never encountered issues like that with any of my SE phones.
Your best bet is to go to store and compare list of phones that you are interested side by side and see what makes you happy. but as far as me being an arc owner, I should say that satisfies my needs and I have not yet had any issue with it as everything is solid and moving forward.
I have to say, this phone is exactly what everyone requested from SE to make. Update hardware, software + get rid of all the SCAPES(which is sort of optional now and not integrated anymore) I just love this + possibility to have unlocked bootloader on certain models. What else can you ask?
just my 7 cents

im_iceman said:
Had mine since Mar 31st - and I love it.. had the X10 before and this is 100000000000000000000000000000000x better than that was!.. Had no real big problems with it.. only thing that people seem to consistently have issues with is a bug in the HD video recording which is causing the voice and images to go out of sync.. I'm expecting that they'll fix this in the next firmware release in June(ish)
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And huge battery drain from stock camera app.
For 720p recording you can give up image stabilization feature for well-synced audio. For camera you have yo use 3rd party camera app like vignette.

I think this says it all - the Arc is the best single-core handset in the world.
That isn't to say that the Arc is without it's foibles; there are a few things could be better and it's a shame it lacks certain features like a front-facing camera or NFC but the pros outweigh the cons.
It's all down to personal needs though, as well as what sort of deal you can get.
If you can get, say, the Galaxy S2 on the same contract/deal as the Arc, there's really no contest.

Im also very interested in this i own a x10 and have some questions.im thinkin bout it but just dont think is worth getting . The x10 is unbrickable. Its getting custom kernels that are undoin SE's crap. Plus arc doesnt have any custom roms yet And i like the size and desighn of my x10 . And tthe x10 has a pretty strong xda community
Is there a fps cap
Does it do 16 m colors
Hows the camera what kind of camera
Hows the battery life
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rtblittlebrown said:
Is there a fps cap
Does it do 16 m colors
Hows the camera what kind of camera
Hows the battery life
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Not sure, not that I'm aware of.
Yes.
Exmor R backlit-CMOS sensor - same sort of tech Sony use in their proper digital cameras. There are threads in the section with pictures taken by Arcs.
Battery life isn't great but on a par with other similarly-specced handsets I'd say
To be honest, you could've answered the bit about the colours and the type of camera by just looking up the specs.

Step666 said:
Not sure, not that I'm aware of.
Yes.
Exmor R backlit-CMOS sensor - same sort of tech Sony use in their proper digital cameras. There are threads in the section with pictures taken by Arcs.
Battery life isn't great but on a par with other similarly-specced handsets I'd say
To be honest, you could've answered the bit about the colours and the type of camera by just looking up the specs.
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Thanks
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Scott_HKR said:
I am looking to upgrade my phone this week, going from a Sony Ericsson W995, and I am looking into getting the Arc. I have been set on it for weeks, but just read on the SE forums a few threads about the phone just randomly shutting off and not doing what it is meant to do.
I just wondered if people would recommend it or not, and if these posts are true or not?
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Congrats on being the owner of W995. To me, that's the best non-smartphone without touchscreen ever made
You will definitely be very very happy with Arc. There could be something better depending on your needs but you can't go wrong with Arc and I think Arc is currently the best looking phone for my taste and I think it almost feels as good as W995 ;-)

Step666 said:
It's all down to personal needs though, as well as what sort of deal you can get.
If you can get, say, the Galaxy S2 on the same contract/deal as the Arc, there's really no contest.
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Why? Because its dual core? That means absolutely nothing! Dual core is not even needed these days. Galaxy S was an over hype phone imo, ditched it in about a week to get back my X10, and the Galaxy S2 will be the continuation of Samsungs over hyped nonsense.
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You just claimed the X10 was better than the Galaxy S, I'm not even going to begin to waste my time arguing with you.

Step666 said:
You just claimed the X10 was better than the Galaxy S, I'm not even going to begin to waste my time arguing with you.
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I simply stated the galaxy s didnt do a damn thing better or faster than what the x10 already did. Regardless of its specs vs the X10....it was over hyped.
*edit* sorry, the galaxy s video recording destroys the X10.
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Yes, my mistake - you claimed they were basically equal which is still extremely questionable.
I'm not a Samsung person, I think TouchWiz is a horrific, iPhone-y, designed for and by 5-year-olds joke of a UI. And I think the Galaxy S is a cheap plastic PoS handset.
But it blows the X10 out the water every single day of the week - better screen, better CPU, more RAM, much more internal memory, better stills and video camera in my experience, better software support/upgrades (which is saying something given how poor Samsung are at that).
The Galaxy S2 is simply the best handset in the world right now, not only on paper but every review/hands-on with it says the same thing.
It's not just the dual-core CPU, though as time goes on that will definitely be a huge advantage over the likes of the Arc; double the RAM, a better screen (ok, a little less clear-cut than the difference between the Galaxy S and the X10 but it probably still edges it based on little things like viewing angles), significantly more internal memory, larger battery, better video camera - it's even thinner than the Arc!
So no, it's not just because it's a dual-core CPU (though that alone would be reason enough to choose it if the two were the same price - if you think it's not a huge advantage, you're short-sighted or lying to yourself), there's a litany of other advantages.
I'm not saying the Arc is a bad phone, it has genuinely wowed me and I really didn't expect it to but there's no point kidding ourselves that it's living on borrowed time before it's left behind.

Step666 said:
So no, it's not just because it's a dual-core CPU (though that alone would be reason enough to choose it if the two were the same price - if you think it's not a huge advantage, you're short-sighted or lying to yourself), there's a litany of other advantages.
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Well, it's an advantage, but I'm a bit conservative when it comes to say huge advantage. Benchmark is great; But, it's an intensive number-crunching process most of the time. IMO, that deviates what I (and probably most of the users) use my smartphone for. I don't use my smartphones to calculate Pi, audio/video editing, etc.
I think dual-core will be shafted by quad-core even before the mass-adoption of the technology by the app developers.
I'm more excited on when GPU acceleration gonna be implemented in our homescreen.

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I'm more excited on when GPU acceleration gonna be implemented in our homescreen.
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That's the one good thing Samsung have done with TouchWiz (apparently).

Hi
I shall make an amendment to the agreement with my mobile op. and I am wondering whether SE Xperia Arc is a good choice. I have always use Nokia phones and I thought to buy Nokia N8, but I when I saw Arc I've changed my mind. Arc design and mutlimedia possibilities are great, but when I read about battery draining, lags, vid/audio sync problems I am not happy about it.
I am wondering if SE will fix this problem soon? Are these problems only software or maybe it is hardware failure? Do you think it will be repaired soon? When the next software update is expected?
Please help me to make a good choice.
Thanks a lot

hi.. battery drain is seemingly caused by a couple of software issues.. camera and google maps.. both of which should be fixed/ fixable.
lags - not seen many/any reports of lag.
video/audio sync - short term fix is either to use fwvga or try switching image stabilisation off. long term SE should be fixing that.
next update from SE expected in the next couple of months..
Sent from The Arc!

Thanks
I have only a liitle knowledge of Andoid system so tell me If I root my phone is it possible to remove google maps and camera soft? Will it help? Or maybe this is possible without rooting the phone?

Next SE phone or ???

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REALLY blurry photos unfortunately
It has "cyber-shot" on the front (where Xperia is for our X10). This would be great for those of us that are looking for a great shooter on Android phones. I think part of the whole cyber shot branding is that it would use Carl Zeiss lenses (oh, K790, for 3.2 megapixels you took great shots).
From what else I could see, it seems that it retains the newer SE 3 button layout with the back button on the left side and menu button on the right. Instead of 3 horizontal chrome buttons, it appears to circular buttons with chrome edges that run to the edges of the phone.
I might take the images to photoshop later in order to more accurately 'guesstimate' the screen size, but offhand it looks like it uses the 4.2" screen from the Arc (just by looking at the overall dimensions of the phone and estimating the bezel)

As for what sensor it might use...
Maybe it will use the 16 mp sensor of what's found in the Arc? (IMX081PQ, Exmor-R, 16 mp 0.31" area) (The Sony Ericsson Cyber-shot S006 uses this sensor). So I take back the Carl Zeiss comment earlier since the S006 is branded as a cyber-shot phone and doesn't use any higher quality lenses. But I think it's a strong probability that we'll see an Android SE with 16 mp.

hmm...interesting.

bro its fake!those are just concepts sony would never bring us those features!
thx for the share

I'm done with sonyericsson phones until I see evidence that they're not still just out to screw their customers for every cent they can and not follow up with good support.
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thats a new sonyericsson phone from cybershot series.....
finally a stop to xperia.....

I think that´s not real. I think that sony can´t use the name of cyber shot to a phone. Maybe I trusted this if the name was near the camera

molinillo212 said:
I think that´s not real. I think that sony can´t use the name of cyber shot to a phone. Maybe I trusted this if the name was near the camera
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SE already use Cybershot on one of the older model few years back... why cant they do it now?

seems like camera featured phone. Hope it comes with ice-cream sandwich.

Xperia ARC or SGS II

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Xperia ARC or SGS II
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did you read the op??
Anyway there would be no comparion between those two. It's like comparing a ferrari to a ford tempo.....
The sgs2 beats the arc in every way possible

fiscidtox said:
did you read the op??
Anyway there would be no comparion between those two. It's like comparing a ferrari to a ford tempo.....
The sgs2 beats the arc in every way possible
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For me the x10 can be seen as 9/11 "never forget"

I don't like the the stock ROMS on Xperia X10, hence I use only XDA ROMS. I quite like the MIUI roms from TRINRAVER, and for that reason alone I am willing to use a SE phone.
Otherwise, when talking stock ROMS and support, SE.. never again. Probably next would be HTC.

most new android phones now have got better hardware than arc or any other SE new phones
except the design , SE is suprior in this , but that alone wont help
my next buy will HTC , never again SE

I'll wait for the official Gingerbread Update, then i will decide.
The specs of the SGS 2 / LG Optimus Speed are quite good, handling of an iphone 4 really smooth too. There are many good Phones.
@jojo1212: You're right, but too much plastic. Yesterday i held the iphone 4 in my hands, no comparison to the x10, but double the price

Unfortunately, the new Xperia phones just don't have the hardware to compete with the likes of the Galaxy S II, which will be my next phone unless SE releases a powerful Xperia Play 2 this year.

jenesuispasbavard said:
Unfortunately, the new Xperia phones just don't have the hardware to compete with the likes of the Galaxy S II, which will be my next phone unless SE releases a powerful Xperia Play 2 this year.
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The SGS2 is seriously not the ultimate big baddy of all phones.
Tegra2 anyone?

Main thing I will been choosing SE or other is that it is a device that can be bootloader unlocked. simple! remove the stress of always wanting the latest update.

although i have been a SE man my entire life, my next phone is definitely going to me the SGS2, hands down.
Its currently THE BEST android phone money can buy. 1.2GHz Dual Core processor, 1 GB RAM, 16 or 32gb INTERNAL (with external microsd slot, so an additional 32gb can be added). 4.3" Super AMOLED screen, 8mp camera with 1080p video recording, worlds thinnest smartphone, etc etc...
nothing but good reviews all over the net. cant go wrong.
although no other line of phones look as SEXY as the Xperia's (X10 and Arc to be more specific)

i want that phonee!

Back to my arc S!

I had an Xperia S for a week. And I hated it. So I got my arc S back and I couldn't be happier.
If you're ever tempted by an Xperia S - don't do it. It's just not good enough.

Why?it is faster,and screen is much better.
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I tried xperia s and find it heavier, worse picture quality, worse design and i missed the physical buttons. So i stick with arc S, still my fovorite so far.

I felt the build quality was poorer than the arc. Wasn't as big a step forward as is claimed, tbh.

isnt the dual core do nothing for it??

I was all for getting one, until I had one in the hand, two big for my liking. I really want my next Phone to be Sony, but if they continue the trend of creating bricks like most manufactures seem to be doing these days then I'll stick with my S.E and I might just upgrade to the Arc S.
I don't want a mini tablet as a Phone.

Wait for the GX guys, it's true Arc successor.
I'm waiting for SX to replace my Ray

I think 4-4,3 inch is the limit for the smartphone. Everything above is... tablet. Arc S is good enough for me.

I think the bigger a phone the better, I thought the xperia s looked good in the pictures but when held it irl it feels fat and the bezel looks really thick (big turnoff). But I'd still go for performance over design.
Sent from my Arc S with JJ's ROM installed + stock kernel.

What I didn't like:
Soft buttons are terrible - often takes 2 or 3 taps for then to work. Very frustrating.
Terrible battery life on the latest ICS F/W.
Heavy and uncomfortable to hold for long.
Bravia engine doesn't work on latest ICS F/W.
Power Saver app completely useless.
Sony UK refusing to repair screen tint issues if you've unlocked the bootloader.
Occasional hang when using the Quick Launch camera button.
Fonts too small for me - and using Large option only works in some apps and is ignored by Timescape, etc.
The flap on the USB port won't last long.
Stupid menu design for the launcher.
Widget picker takes 5 seconds to appear.
This phone looks great on paper but feels half-finished to me. I can see why the reviews were so lacklustre now.
So I'm back using my arc S which I will keep until I've saved up for a Galaxy Nexus. Sony have done a poor job of ICS and I they no longer have my trust. Why can't they produce a couple of excellent devices instead of releasing mediocre phones every few months? The mind boggles.
I did like the new Walkman app though - by far the best music player I've used on Android.

I find it ridiculous when people say " the bigger the phone, the better." Perhaps ego issues to compensate for something else ? Lol
Seriously, it is silly to put a tablet sized phone next to your eat. Just don't, please, for the love of god.
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Thanks for the review guys as my x10 is up for upgrade in 2-3 months time and was naturally thinking of this, I am a se fanboy.
Not 100% sure what to do as I have arc already.
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zolaisugly said:
Not 100% sure what to do as I have arc already.
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I'd hang fire, I've got 8 months left on my contract so I've got plenty of time to see what Sony can come up with in the future. I was going to sell my Arc the other week and get a Ray as I was wanting something smaller but after some thought decided to stick with the Arc in the end. There's nothing that I really like when I look at line up on GSMArena, maybe the Arco S but I'd have to hold it before deciding.

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Soft buttons ARE terrible, even calendar launcher(lower left corner) interrupts with user interaction.
a mid range / mid end device doing a very nice job. even hdmi output is surprisingly smooth.
well, fairly spoken I had no expectations with ics, even sony's official website claims that, I never understood that, why some people got confused with "improved" performance and "speedy" UI, they both are different things.

I disagree.
For its price... Arc/Arc S was a loot when it was launched.
I now own both an Arc and an Xperia S. No doubt arc is the best designed fone any manufacturer ever made, but it is way too short on horsepower. Even on gingerbread, the contacts app lags if you cross over 500 contacts. So does the messaging app.
Arc users keep dwindling and shifting around custom ROMS trying to find the perfect one. And we all know after a few days of use and installing chunk loads of apps, the fone just struggles to keep up as a BASIC PHONE (it runs applications well though).
Arc is indeed a great fashion statement but as a basic phone, even my dads ZTE Blade delivers better.
Xperia S is thicker but works like a charm! Wish it's speaker was as loud as arc though

romiltherock said:
I disagree.
For its price... Arc/Arc S was a loot when it was launched.
I now own both an Arc and an Xperia S. No doubt arc is the best designed fone any manufacturer ever made, but it is way too short on horsepower. Even on gingerbread, the contacts app lags if you cross over 500 contacts. So does the messaging app.
Arc users keep dwindling and shifting around custom ROMS trying to find the perfect one. And we all know after a few days of use and installing chunk loads of apps, the fone just struggles to keep up as a BASIC PHONE (it runs applications well though).
Arc is indeed a great fashion statement but as a basic phone, even my dads ZTE Blade delivers better.
Xperia S is thicker but works like a charm! Wish it's speaker was as loud as arc though
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100% true. When I first booted JJHybrid 3.2 it was a rocket comparing to stock ICS. Now with few apps instaled (<30), everything lags, even keyboard, which should be one of the main things in phone. Looks like, arc S in my last Sony phone.....from now on I am 85% sure, my next phone will be Galaxy Nexus.
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rec71 said:
I did like the new Walkman app though - by far the best music player I've used on Android.
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You haven't used Poweramp with the ICS skin, have you?

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You haven't used Poweramp with the ICS skin, have you?
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I haven't looked at PowerAmp for about 6 months. I didn't like it much though but will take another look.

It's much better than any other music app I've found.
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Traviizter said:
It's much better than any other music app I've found.
how about mort player?
remember most android users are free bee :highfive:
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