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Honeycomb

wil we get honeycomb on our beloved hd2? is it possible. i know its for tablets only, but there must be a way of "optimising" it for the hd2

Yes we'll get it.

StephanV said:
Yes we'll get it.
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What are you basing this on? How do you know?
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ricey1986 said:
What are you basing this on? How do you know?
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Innit man. chatting out of his A S S

ricey1986 said:
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Because all it takes is a couple of devs to port it, as it has been with every Android version on pretty much every somewhat popular device. There's just absolutely no reason to assume it's not going to be ported.

lol good call. hopefully dev team up soon!!!

The problem is the source code hasn't been dropped yet, so if it was based off the sdk it'll be slow and have no Google apps, plus it probably wont run well on our screen size.
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would be neat

M..N said:
The problem is the source code hasn't been dropped yet, so if it was based off the sdk it'll be slow and have no Google apps, plus it probably wont run well on our screen size.
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Well when you run the SDK version in an emulator and optimize for mobile screen res, honeycomb UI reverts back to standard Android UI so maybe it has a built in mobile version.

Ice cream cone is the next update for phones, it won't be long before that's released. Honeycomb does include code for reverting the screen to phone resolution, but from what people can tell, it isn't finished and is probably included as a starting point for future versions where the phone and tablet can both use the same build. Honeycomb probably won't be compatible with phones, at least not now or with a lot of work. A later 3.x version of android may work with both tablets and phones.

what version is the ice cream gonna be and whats the improvement, anyone knows, thanks

sbob303 said:
what version is the ice cream gonna be and whats the improvement, anyone knows, thanks
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no one is really sure, some say 2.4, and some say 3.x, since Honeycomb will supposedly support phones as well, it wouldn't make sense to go backwards in the version numbers, we'll just have to wait and see. .

orangekid said:
no one is really sure, some say 2.4, and some say 3.x, since Honeycomb will supposedly support phones as well, it wouldn't make sense to go backwards in the version numbers, we'll just have to wait and see. .
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Ice-cream is definitely 2.4, and Honeycomb is 3.0. Honeycomb is aimed at larger screens (tablets) so may not be suitable for some phones (but it will still run, if you can get it installed). Ice-cream is aimed at phones, not tablets, so it will be easier for devs to port over to the device of their choice (HD2 please ).

You guys act like you know for sure. No offense, but you don't. There has been no official word about HoneyComb on phones and no official word about Ice Cream at all.
It is my opinion that Google would not restrict it's Android versions to a set of numbers (i.e. 2.x for phones, 3.x for tablets.) That would make no sense. It is also my opinion that 2.4 will be Gingerbread still, much like 2.0 and 2.1 were Eclair. I'm guessing a major version change, such as 3.5 or 4.0 will merge the phone and tablet branches into Ice Cream. But I'm not "sure" about anything.
The Dell Streak has had HoneyComb ported to it. It seems like it wouldn't be a stretch to put it on this phone, too, even if it's not meant for a 4.3" screen.

No Custom ROMs for Honeycomb

Well via to an article over at Android Central, and Bloomberg: Business Week, its been said by Google that they wont be releasing the source code for Honeycomb. The reasoning behind it apparently is to keep your small time, crap companies, from trying to put 3.0.x onto a device and giving android a bad rep. So I dont think we will be seeing any ROMs until Ice cream.
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg

Google Holds Honeycomb Tight
It will delay distribution of new Android tablet source code to outside programmers
We'll get it eventually..

Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.

jmc2543 said:
Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.
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+1
running Tiamat .1.1.6 for the OCing & USB

I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?

When it comes to preventing carriers from putting money sucking spamware on your phone googles "that would jepordize the very definition of open source". But when it comes to releasing the source code for developers to smooth out and patch their half baked OS so each consumer (who paid an unwarranted premium for their device in the first place) can have the free choice of how they would like their "open source" OS to function googles.
Say it aint so.
MOD EDIT: Language

I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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orionshock said:
I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?
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Not if they have already distributed product using it. AKA Xoom.

colbyb25 said:
I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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I believe this is not just a simple issue.. leaked <> AOSP
one thing for sure, if we don't have HC AOSP, never expect custom rom..
this android open source is going into nightmare .. Google please remember this "Don't be Evil" ..
this is ur second Evil move after c&d letter to cyanogen..
peace all..

Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.

So if I type assassinate and then.....Google, do u think they will send a team of nerds and lawyers to get me. Be a martyr...start a revolution..Viva la Zoom
...j/k. Not serious
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You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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whitedragon33 said:
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Ftw
Kcarpenter said:
Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.
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Bauxite said:
You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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Here's the deal guys. The legend JesusFreke has stated that he needs source to update his programs smali / baksmali. The are the base tools for decompiling framework and apk.
we cannot deodex rom without those tools. Thus we cannot modify smali and XML. So we are stuck with a stock rom. But we have kernel source which is far more important.
So, its all good for now

Is it still possible to theme the Stock ROM without deodexing? I thought I read somewhere that you could but it was not as easy.

Samsung probably pissed them off for putting their craptastic TouchWiz on the new Galaxy Tabs.

I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.

th0r615 said:
I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.
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3 weeks after io..I think that's how long it took for froyo source.
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My guess is Google is probably more worried about all the bagnasty China tabs that have flooded the market all running earlier versions of Android.. Imagine the cheap China crap that would hit the streets if they released the HC Source.. No way the masses would pay the big bucks for the Google sanctioned Tablets when they could pick up a China tab for pennies on the dollar..

While I don't think Google is doing themselves any favors by taking this approach, I would point out that folks would probably make more headway spending time porting Ubuntu or one of the other Linux distributions to the Xoom than trying to prevail on Google to change their ways.

Let's Take A Deep Breath Folks
I'm going to keep this short because I'm not a developer yet, so I'm only qualified to speak as a user and as a grateful member of this forum. As I understand it, in order to be "open" the code has to eventually be released (kind of like non-packaged Linux, i.e. CentOS, Ubuntu, etc.).
From what I've experienced, the only people that DON'T want code coming to us are the carriers. When you folks develop way better ROMs than the crap with bloatware that they try to pass off to us, it hurts their wallets - BFD!!
I'm honored and proud of you guys and I KNOW that the Google probably held it for legitimate problems that they're going to fix for us. Once that's done, they KNOW that once you get a hold of it, more people are going to be exposed to it which only makes more people want future versions. that's how I got snagged by you folks, first with Windows Mobile and then with Android.
I have faith in parts of the system. I have faith in Google to deliver their end, it's the carriers and their greedy practices that I don't trust. Keep the faith folks, take a deep breath and relax. XOOM has been here for only a minute, but we KNOW that it's unlocked, it's rooted and as soon as the 4G hardware and the SD card issues are resolved, we're going to be hip-deep in better versions of the ROMs. I believe that with all my heart because you folks have shown it to me time and again.
It's gonna be great - just wait and see.

[Q] Honeycomb question??

so ive been reading through a bunch of stuff and all the honecomb stuff is testing and the such from like JANURARY!!!! do we not have an update lately and a stable honecomb rom running??? or am i just being a tired dunce and not seeing it???

Google hasn't (and not intend to) release the Honeycomb source codes yet, so I guess you got what you get.
They might bypass the Honeycomb and go directly to IceCream

votinh said:
Google hasn't (and not intend to) release the Honeycomb source codes yet, so I guess you got what you get.
They might bypass the Honeycomb and go directly to IceCream
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Google says that ICS will be open source, so we should be ok. Just a little more waiting.
Frankly, without a source code it's amazing we even got what we did of honeycomb.
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Will the a500 be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich?

is a very good question.. any "official" word?

No. No official word but I highly doubt it. Also on the Facebook page where acer mentioned the 3.2 update they said it will be the final update, sort of.
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not anything official but i dont see why acer wouldn't do it, it's a great tablet but i will kinda miss the exclusivity that comes with honeycomb

cordell507 said:
not anything official but i dont see why acer wouldn't do it, it's a great tablet but i will kinda miss the exclusivity that comes with honeycomb
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I'll bet a nickel that "unofficially" there will be roms for our device for a couple years forward. Ice cream sandwich and beyond.

gmfeny said:
No. No official word but I highly doubt it. Also on the Facebook page where acer mentioned the 3.2 update they said it will be the final update, sort of.
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The final update they are talking about is this is the last Honeycomb update, not the final Acer a500 update. Google has said that Ice cream will be for all phone and tablets, excluding some older hardware. Also Ice cream is made for dual core systems

Bryan646 said:
The final update they are talking about is this is the last Honeycomb update, not the final Acer a500 update. Google has said that Ice cream will be for all phone and tablets, excluding some older hardware. Also Ice cream is made for dual core systems
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It doesn't matter what processor ics is made for. I highly doubt the a500 will get ics. When it comes out acer will introduce a new tab to make more money. It doesn't matter if the a500 could run it or not. Now we may have custom roms but I'm 99.9% sure nothing official.
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there is one reason why ACER might not port ICS to the A500, the A500 is not a phone, the A501 is possibly more into getting updated to ICS.

From what I understand (read somewhere), is that according to google policy, vendors are supposed to support their devices with new versions of Android for 18 months. Since the A500 was released in April, it should still be getting updates until Oct 2012 and ICS is supposed to be out by the end of this year.
If Acer doesn't provide ICS for the A500, they are going to have A LOT of unhappy customers which would hurt them for future products.
My bet is that we'll get it sometime early next year.

gmfeny said:
It doesn't matter what processor ics is made for. I highly doubt the a500 will get ics. When it comes out acer will introduce a new tab to make more money. It doesn't matter if the a500 could run it or not. Now we may have custom roms but I'm 99.9% sure nothing official.
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But you're just speculating.

Google has already stated that ICS will be AOSP'ed, so worst case scenario we'll at least be able to get native 3rd party ROMs for our A500's as long as the developer community remains strong.

Am I the only one smelling a troll around here?
However, the 18 months update policy is for the Android Alliance Partners only, which unfortunately doesn't include Acer AFAIK.

cm0901 said:
Am I the only one smelling a troll around here?
However, the 18 months update policy is for the Android Alliance Partners only, which unfortunately doesn't include Acer AFAIK.
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Oh yes they are...
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

You had to be part of the Open Handset Alliance to get the source code for Honeycomb. Google wanted more control on this particular release to keep vendors from trying to use it on a regular phone.

From the "leaked" photos I'm not really impressed with the ice cream sandwich update. It might be nice on phones but I love honeycomb on tablets. Yes there could be some improvement but overall honeycomb is great.

ACER could get alot of good geek buzz, if they update to ICS and open the bootloader up.
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with ics i hope they have a tablet ui and a phone ui seperate

cm0901 said:
Am I the only one smelling a troll around here?
However, the 18 months update policy is for the Android Alliance Partners only, which unfortunately doesn't include Acer AFAIK.
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Ruh roh am I the troll?
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cordell507 said:
with ics i hope they have a tablet ui and a phone ui seperate
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I think you will be disappointed. ICS is supposed to re-unite the phone and tabs os into one.

FloatingFatMan said:
Oh yes they are...
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html
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Open Handset Alliance == Android Alliance?
Not sure of that, but I may be well wrong...

Euclid's Brother said:
according to google policy, vendors are supposed to support their devices with new versions of Android for 18 months. Since the A500 was released in April, it should still be getting updates until Oct 2012 and ICS is supposed to be out by the end of this year.
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Ah, but an update to an OS and a NEW OS version are two entirely different things. Updates are point releases and bug fixes. You confuse the two, methinks. I deal with a lot of business contracts and I think I can speak with a bit of confidence that there's no way Google would force vendors to do major updates. Besides, if they did that you would now have Honeycomb on some phones... Obviously they can't because you can't even guarantee the same hardware will run the next major release.
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If Acer doesn't provide ICS for the A500, they are going to have A LOT of unhappy customers which would hurt them for future products.
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Again I disagree - sure there might be some irritated people on these forums, but the average consumer is now buying this tablet from Wal Mart of all places. That means they ain't all geeks anymore and probably won't even know when ICS is released.
The real trick is to buy like the manufacturers intended. Buy a tablet that does what you want RIGHT NOW. If you can't do that, don't buy because there's absolutely no guarantee that it will do what you want later.
It's like buying a Ford hoping for a free update to Jaguar before your warranty expires. Okay so it's nothing like that. But it is.
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But you're just speculating.
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But isn't that the point?

The "Ice Cream Sandwich Desire Z waiting" thread

Well, even though Samsung and Google have delayed their event, Ice Cream Sandwich is around the corner and the funny thing is that still nothing has been confirmed of its features.
Looking forward to it on your Desire Z?

It'll be nice, but I'm sure not much of a change for day to day use for me. I'm more excited about getting it on my Nook Color.

You should put desire z and g2. But I just want it to be released already. Have you seen the new ics video on the supposed nexus prime?
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98% sure it won't be released for our phones.

rmcsc said:
98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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Definitely won't be released officially, but that's why we have CyanogenMod and other CM-derived ROMs

I still hope they think of us Desire owners.....
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Isn't there an update supposed to be coming for the DZ? Maybe we'll get the ICS with Sense 3.5...

I think they will . But have you guys downloaded the new ics music app just search for it on the forums. Looks similar to the honeycomb one just a few tweeks here and there
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98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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I smell Darwin Award....
We all know it wont be released for our phones.

I bought a Viewsonic gTablet and this was the same talk going on - No Honeycomb. Mods started to ban people whining about when HC would be ported to the gTab. I gave up hope and literally a month later, there was an alpha ROM and now there are 3-4 good HC ROMs out there. And I think Google didn't release the source code for it. So, I am sure we will get IS on our Zs!

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98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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Well obviously... But most people on XDA aren't waiting for official OTA updates lol. Go go CM8!!
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I bought a Viewsonic gTablet and this was the same talk going on - No Honeycomb. Mods started to ban people whining about when HC would be ported to the gTab. I gave up hope and literally a month later, there was an alpha ROM and now there are 3-4 good HC ROMs out there. And I think Google didn't release the source code for it. So, I am sure we will get IS on our Zs!
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Well the issue there was no source code and probably a smaller community. It will be much easier when ICS source drops lol.

Im more excited about all the cool roms the devs are going to make based off ICS!
im sure cyanogenmod 8 will be he BOMB!

According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source

C.Flat said:
According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source
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Makes sense I guess, but I would think since CM8 never existed they'd just do CM8 for ICS.

Yea that would be awesome regardless of the naming scheme. I have yet to flash CM7 but for ICS I would do it in a heartbeat lol.

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According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source
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Actually doesnt make sense but let the CM team do what they want....
In related news to CM, CM 7.1 final was released today

I would like to point out that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that there will not be a 4.0 upgrade available for HTC VISION. Need I remind you all that there was an official upgrade to Android 2.2 for HTC SAPPHIRE/MAGIC32B made almost exactly ONE YEAR AGO? Yes, approximately the exact same time that HTC VISION was initially made available.
Also remember that the 32B was a 192 MB RAM device where only 97 MB was actually available to Linux. This significant upgrade from Android 1.6 to 2.2 required some MEMORY REDISTRIBUTION via new SPL to increase the available RAM to 112 MB. HTC VISION is not starved for RAM as the 32B was. HTC VISION has plenty of space left within the system partition (in fact on mine, there are 262 MB of free space on /system of over 400 total -- clearly intended to leave space for upgrades). Unlike the 32B, the specifications of Vision are far more than adequate, and even with a device as limited as 32B, they made the upgrade.
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riahc3 said:
Actually doesnt make sense but let the CM team do what they want....
In related news to CM, CM 7.1 final was released today
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CM "team", as well as all the other rom cookers out there (yes, they are cookers, Android is written by Google, CM just cooks it and adds in a few goodies.) do a TERRIBLE job of versioning.​
I once suggested a much more sensible approach to versioning, which is used by many other downstream open source projects... but they threw a tantrum.
Versioning of Android ROMs should be as follows;
UPSTREAMNAME-UPSTREAMVERSION-DOWNSTREAMREVISION.DOWNSTREAMNAMEVERSION.ARCHITECTURE
Obviously ARCHITECTURE doesn't apply directly, but this could be replaced with DEVICE.
So.... CM7.1 for VISION should be versioned as
android-2.3.7-0.CM7.1.vision
With this, if they make a minor update (that they would normally call CM7.1.1), it would increment the DOWNSTREAMREVISION, so the new version would be android-2.3.7-1.CM7.1.vision.
I.e., the point here would be to keep the priority on the upstream version rather than downstream, because "android-2.3.7" is FAR more important than "CM7.1". Quite frankly, the "CM" version means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?

killj0y said:
Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?
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Not really.

dhkr234 said:
I would like to point out that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that there will not be a 4.0 upgrade available for HTC VISION. Need I remind you all that there was an official upgrade to Android 2.2 for HTC SAPPHIRE/MAGIC32B made almost exactly ONE YEAR AGO? Yes, approximately the exact same time that HTC VISION was initially made available.
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That was a long time ago. Now, forget it. They already gave up one update. They wont give us another.
Besides HTC is problably planning a new version of Sense for Ice Cream Sandwich.
killj0y said:
Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?
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Nothing. There is nothing confirmed for Ice Cream Sandwich at all. Google has had it tightly wrapped up.
The only thing we do know that it is Android 4.0
Besides that:
Facial recognition features, new APIs to reduce development fragmentation, a unification of phone and tablet UIs and its APIs.
Nothing else is confirmed with sources beside it.