Well via to an article over at Android Central, and Bloomberg: Business Week, its been said by Google that they wont be releasing the source code for Honeycomb. The reasoning behind it apparently is to keep your small time, crap companies, from trying to put 3.0.x onto a device and giving android a bad rep. So I dont think we will be seeing any ROMs until Ice cream.
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg
Google Holds Honeycomb Tight
It will delay distribution of new Android tablet source code to outside programmers
We'll get it eventually..
Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.
jmc2543 said:
Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.
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running Tiamat .1.1.6 for the OCing & USB
I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?
When it comes to preventing carriers from putting money sucking spamware on your phone googles "that would jepordize the very definition of open source". But when it comes to releasing the source code for developers to smooth out and patch their half baked OS so each consumer (who paid an unwarranted premium for their device in the first place) can have the free choice of how they would like their "open source" OS to function googles.
Say it aint so.
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I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?
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Not if they have already distributed product using it. AKA Xoom.
colbyb25 said:
I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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I believe this is not just a simple issue.. leaked <> AOSP
one thing for sure, if we don't have HC AOSP, never expect custom rom..
this android open source is going into nightmare .. Google please remember this "Don't be Evil" ..
this is ur second Evil move after c&d letter to cyanogen..
peace all..
Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.
So if I type assassinate and then.....Google, do u think they will send a team of nerds and lawyers to get me. Be a martyr...start a revolution..Viva la Zoom
...j/k. Not serious
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You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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Ftw
Kcarpenter said:
Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.
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You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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Here's the deal guys. The legend JesusFreke has stated that he needs source to update his programs smali / baksmali. The are the base tools for decompiling framework and apk.
we cannot deodex rom without those tools. Thus we cannot modify smali and XML. So we are stuck with a stock rom. But we have kernel source which is far more important.
So, its all good for now
Is it still possible to theme the Stock ROM without deodexing? I thought I read somewhere that you could but it was not as easy.
Samsung probably pissed them off for putting their craptastic TouchWiz on the new Galaxy Tabs.
I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.
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I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.
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3 weeks after io..I think that's how long it took for froyo source.
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My guess is Google is probably more worried about all the bagnasty China tabs that have flooded the market all running earlier versions of Android.. Imagine the cheap China crap that would hit the streets if they released the HC Source.. No way the masses would pay the big bucks for the Google sanctioned Tablets when they could pick up a China tab for pennies on the dollar..
While I don't think Google is doing themselves any favors by taking this approach, I would point out that folks would probably make more headway spending time porting Ubuntu or one of the other Linux distributions to the Xoom than trying to prevail on Google to change their ways.
Let's Take A Deep Breath Folks
I'm going to keep this short because I'm not a developer yet, so I'm only qualified to speak as a user and as a grateful member of this forum. As I understand it, in order to be "open" the code has to eventually be released (kind of like non-packaged Linux, i.e. CentOS, Ubuntu, etc.).
From what I've experienced, the only people that DON'T want code coming to us are the carriers. When you folks develop way better ROMs than the crap with bloatware that they try to pass off to us, it hurts their wallets - BFD!!
I'm honored and proud of you guys and I KNOW that the Google probably held it for legitimate problems that they're going to fix for us. Once that's done, they KNOW that once you get a hold of it, more people are going to be exposed to it which only makes more people want future versions. that's how I got snagged by you folks, first with Windows Mobile and then with Android.
I have faith in parts of the system. I have faith in Google to deliver their end, it's the carriers and their greedy practices that I don't trust. Keep the faith folks, take a deep breath and relax. XOOM has been here for only a minute, but we KNOW that it's unlocked, it's rooted and as soon as the 4G hardware and the SD card issues are resolved, we're going to be hip-deep in better versions of the ROMs. I believe that with all my heart because you folks have shown it to me time and again.
It's gonna be great - just wait and see.
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http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/091172a81604c8a0?pli=1
Nexus S went on sale yesterday morning in the US, running Gingerbread.
Just like I did for Froyo, I'm open-sourcing the matching Android
platform source code, right after the first consumers get their hands
on it. I'm going to start literally right now, and the process will
take a few hours.
I'll give more details once the source code is available. However,
there are three aspects that you need to know ahead of time:
-As part of the process to push the source code, there will be some
points in time when the master branch doesn't build. Sorry about that.
If you're working on the master branch, I recommend that you don't
sync until I send an "all clear" when I'm done and things look good.
Other branches are expected to work fine as soon as their manifests
are created.
-Even though Nexus S is designed to be suitable for AOSP work, there
are some caveats. I very strongly recommend against trying to use
Nexus S for anything related to AOSP at the moment. Trying to unlock
or use your Nexus S for AOSP work could easily turn it into a Nexus B
(where B means "brick"); I have two of those, they're not very useful.
I'll send some guidelines about what is currently possible once I've
finished pushing the source code.
-Please take it easy on the kernel.org servers. They are very helpful
in hosting the AOSP source code, and I don't want to hurt the high
quality of their service with an onslaught of full Android downloads.
If you're not going to immediately work on porting Gingerbread to
devices with the intent of distributing the result to end-users, I'm
kindly asking that you wait a few hours or a few days before you
download it (just roll a 6-sided die and wait that long). In addition,
the slower the servers are, the harder it is for me to do the push.
Thanks for being patient.
JBQ
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Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru
Software Engineer, Android Open-Source Project, Google.
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Yay!
Let's bombard Cyanogen's Twitter! J/K``
Hope something good for my incredible comes out of this
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Can't wait! The quicker the source is released the faster we will have Gingerbread baked into our roms
First one to get an AOSP build of 2.3 running on the G2 will be my new hero.
lol @ the software engineer having two Nexus B's already ;D
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lol @ the software engineer having two Nexus B's already ;D
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Hey! It happens to best of us... I've bricked a couple myself and I was a cell tech for 5 years, worked my way up department mgr., been a pc tech/network engineer for 10 years and have A+, NET+, C++, and bachelors in computer science. Also, I bricked my wife's like 6 months ago, lol! It happenes to even the most technical person...
Wowo!!!!! Can't wait! I've been on the virtous for some time now, because I really like the sense shell, but it's strait over to CM again (been there many times allready) when 2.3 comes!!!
Yeah, I've been waiting to permaroot for CM7. I was going to permaroot for CM6.1.1 this weekend, then this news broke, so I think I'll wait for 7. Or maybe I'll go ahead with 6.1.1.
Who knows!
@cyanogen
Prepare for spam!!
I just looked at aosp and I see next to nothing updated yet so I dunno
@cyanogen WILL come through quickly for the G2. I'm sure of it.
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Yeah, I've been waiting to permaroot for CM7. I was going to permaroot for CM6.1.1 this weekend, then this news broke, so I think I'll wait for 7. Or maybe I'll go ahead with 6.1.1.
Who knows!
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Why wouldn't you permroot now? Nearly double CPU clock, the ability to disable throttling, superuser access.
In my experience, the first implementation of new code is often quite buggy. While I can't wait for 7.0, I suspect I may end up waiting for 7.1 or 7.0.1 before I update.
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While I can't wait for 7.0, I suspect I may end up waiting for 7.1 or 7.0.1 before I update.
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That's half the fun
Follow cmrsc on twitter for updates on compiling a blue-berry flavored gingerbread.
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Hey! It happens to best of us... I've bricked a couple myself and I was a cell tech for 5 years, worked my way up department mgr., been a pc tech/network engineer for 10 years and have A+, NET+, C++, and bachelors in computer science. Also, I bricked my wife's like 6 months ago, lol! It happenes to even the most technical person...
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lol @ the software engineer having two Nexus B's already ;D
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I was a bit skeptical about that - seeing as he's kinda high on the totem pole @ Google/Android Devs... you would think they'd have more than a few ways to debrick a device that touts their name on it. Sure the hw is made by Samsung, but I doubt the devs were submitting all revisions and rcs of GB to Samsung like - "Hey guys, could you flash this for us, I don't think we have the tools or knowledge".
Come on msm7x30 support!
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I was a bit skeptical about that - seeing as he's kinda high on the totem pole @ Google/Android Devs... you would think they'd have more than a few ways to debrick a device that touts their name on it. Sure the hw is made by Samsung, but I doubt the devs were submitting all revisions and rcs of GB to Samsung like - "Hey guys, could you flash this for us, I don't think we have the tools or knowledge".
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He probably has a stack of cell phones and probably tries to brick some of them on purpose. He probably just gives back the bricks to Samsung.
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Thanks, I guess... hard to detect sarcasm in writing My point was... bricks happen!
Just flashing the proper way, epecially packed ones with a bootloader, you can brick even when you do everything correctly. I've flashed over 500 phones (may be more) and it will happen. The nice thing is though, when you are a cell tech, just pop out the board and get another one. Manufacter's warranties for carriers are surprisingly lax... so, yeah we did brick some on purpose, lol
Cyanogen via twitter:
My G2 seems to have Gingerbeard on it. How did that happen?
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Why don´t we have custom roms yet??
Wasn´t the source code dropped already??
When was the source dropped?
This is the last news we had:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/google-keeping-honeycomb-source-code-on-ice-says-its-not-ready/
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Why don´t we have custom roms yet??
Wasn´t the source code dropped already??
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Since you think it dropped already go ahead and make one
What's the time frame they have to release the HC Source Code? Don't they HAVE to release it?
The Honeycomb sources will never be released. Google announced that at Google IO a few weeks ago, they will only release source code for Icecream Sandwich, which will unify phone (2.x) and Tablet (3.x) Android.
The reason they gave is Honeycomb is a hacked together version kinda rushed out for tablets, and they don't want anyone to see what a mess it is. (ok, that is my interpretation, their actual explanation is "this isn't a proper Android release as we took shortcuts to get it shipped ASAP for tablets, and we don't want devs to rely on these").
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Since you think it dropped already go ahead and make one
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Since ur ass is were ur face should be, u are a freak.
RMerlin said:
The Honeycomb sources will never be released. Google announced that at Google IO a few weeks ago, they will only release source code for Icecream Sandwich, which will unify phone (2.x) and Tablet (3.x) Android.
The reason they gave is Honeycomb is a hacked together version kinda rushed out for tablets, and they don't want anyone to see what a mess it is. (ok, that is my interpretation, their actual explanation is "this isn't a proper Android release as we took shortcuts to get it shipped ASAP for tablets, and we don't want devs to rely on these").
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So is it for sure that we are not having custom roms for honeycomb 3.0 or 3.1? I remember someone (i believe it was bigrushdog) saying that the custom roms were just around the corner....and that was 1 month ago....
I believe some people were able to make some kind of homebrew ROMs based on the SDK. How that works exactly I don't know, someone with better Android technical knowledge than me might know.
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I believe some people were able to make some kind of homebrew ROMs based on the SDK. How that works exactly I don't know, someone with better Android technical knowledge than me might know.
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They were able to port for other devices. But ports usually aren't the most stable things around - also no need for us to port...we have HC. We can't deodex and zip align without source. So anything a dev could do right now would be limited to some minor themeing.
You will never see a Honeycomb based custom rom (other then crappy reverse engineered SDK ones) because Google's not going to release 3.0 or 3.1 source code... You're gunna have to wait till Ice Cream Sandwich in Q4 to see any AOSP based ROMs (like CyanogenMod)
A better question might be if by the end of the year the Xoom will be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich?
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A better question might be if by the end of the year the Xoom will be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich?
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Seeing as how Google said they will require manufacturers to support their devices for 18 months if they wish to use Android on their products at I/O this year, I'd assume so.
http://www.dashhacks.com/articles/g...st-be-supported-manufacturers-least-18-months
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And if Motorola does't... Source code will be available then for homebrew Icecream Sandwich if needed.
So, you see headlines like this:
"Samsung Releases Conquer 4G Kernel Source Code Before The Phone Even Hits Shelves"
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...urce-code-before-the-phone-even-hits-shelves/
And I can't help but think to myself..."OK, so Sammy is starting to see the benefit of getting source code out for its devices, this is good", and then I sit back and reflect upon the fact that the Epic still doesn't have the source code we're looking for (amirite?).
Now, I'm not going to piss and bemoan the fact, BUT, I am going to wonder why it is so. Is there some sort of secret sauce there? Or perhaps is there something VERY embarrassing in their source code? OR, is Sammy really that schizo?
In all, I've been pleased with the steps Sammy has taken. Sure, it would be nice to have me some GB, or even better some CM7, but hey, the Epic is still a great device despite some of the quirks that need to be straightened out.
Thoughts?
Its probably because gb is not being built yet so they don't have it complete. The phone you referenced to the build is probably complete. Yes it us nice to see Sammy doing this though.
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musclehead84 said:
Its probably because gb is not being built yet so they don't have it complete. The phone you referenced to the build is probably complete. Yes it us nice to see Sammy doing this though.
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Yes, but isn't the problem the CM7 squad is having with our device related to source code for our drivers?
the reason CM7 isn't fully functional for our phones is a kernel and drivers issue. Without GB source for those, we have a hacked together partially working port.
Got it.
Well, if that didn't make your head asplode, then this surely will:
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbzone.html
It's source code for a finished product. Not exactly the same situation as wanting source code for leaked builds.
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Yes, but isn't the problem the CM7 squad is having with our device related to source code for our drivers?
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Plus driver source isnt open source so they don't have to give it to us
it ships with GB, what do you mean it's not being built yet? I think they are not releasing source for us because our phones are reaching EOL and they want us to buy new ones.
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Plus driver source isnt open source so they don't have to give it to us
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What happens if thy never give it to us? Are we screwed?
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It's source code for a finished product. Not exactly the same situation as wanting source code for leaked builds.
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Yes. To clarify, to my knowledge Samsung has released the kernel and GPL platform component sources for every official Epic firmware version a day or two prior to its release.
They don't release sources for leaked builds because those builds were never officially released in the first place.
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Yes. To clarify, to my knowledge Samsung has released the kernel and GPL platform component sources for every official Epic firmware version a day or two prior to its release.
They don't release sources for leaked builds because those builds were never officially released in the first place.
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This makes rational sense. Would be nice if they released those driver sources this next time around. Would be a good measure to producing goodwill & brand loyalty IMO.
No phone company has ever released driver sources and nor will they. Its open kernel source not open driver source. There is some other reasons they don't release driver source but it would be nice if all phone manufacturers did but that's a perfect world
Phone companies haven't but what about component companies like Nvidia they released Nvflash
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What happens if thy never give it to us? Are we screwed?
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No. As stated 1000 times, it is 100% possible to write drivers, a kernel and etc from scratch just much more labor intensive than using source code.
Sooo, just wondering if since the conquer 4g is VERY similar to the epic since its gb source code was released would it help us at all?
I'm just asking cause my moment ran on a frankenstein froyo port that came mostly from the transform and a little bit from the intercept and it was awesome.
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Technobuffalo has an article quoting Mr. Schmidt of Google saying ICS will be deployed around Oct/Nov. How long till the Tab sees it? Is there even a point if it is mostly going to be based off of honeycomb anyways?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...eam-sandwich-coming-in-oct-or-nov-it-appears/
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If it doesn't hit the market in any form until November, I think very few existing products will see ICS this year.
Some might, if only so their manufacturers can behave like twelve-year-olds on the internet and jump up and down shouting 'First!' but I think it will come in reasonable time.
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Is there even a point if it is mostly going to be based off of honeycomb anyways?
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I think you're maybe looking at it the wrong way.
It doesn't matter what it's based on, all that matters is that it's the next step forward to an all-round better OS for both phones and tablets.
From what I understand (which is little) the biggest difference we Tablet owners will see will be the availability of more apps (phone apps) scaled up. Along with facial recognition, ability to save web pages for offline viewing, UI changes and scalable widgets.
What great times for Android. One operating system for all and with Amazon offering 50 bucks to developers till November and changes to their appstore coming before their tablet this winter it seems like it is just nonstop good news for Android users.
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Amazon is going to be one hell of a unique fork, OS wise. It should run most regular Android applications, but forget about customizing the UI, and forget about things like application sideloading, Google Music Beta, Google Books, Nook, (or ePubs in general). It'll be locked down tight (bet it won't even have SD card support) and it'll be missing (to some) key features, like cameras and GPS.
Most worrisome of all, if it's a big success and they sell all 5 million they plan on producing this year, it'll FURTHER fragment the Android user base, as developers will need to make stuff for 1.6-2.3 phones/tablets, 3.x tablets, 4.x phones and tablets, and and Amazon's fork of 2.2.
Good news is, if the sales are strong, it'll pull more developers over to the world of Dalvik, and some of that should trickle down to "regular" phones and tablets.
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Amazon is going to be one hell of a unique fork, OS wise. It should run most regular Android applications, but forget about customizing the UI, and forget about things like application sideloading, Google Music Beta, Google Books, Nook, (or ePubs in general). It'll be locked down tight (bet it won't even have SD card support) and it'll be missing (to some) key features, like cameras and GPS.
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Where are people getting all this sort of information?
I hadn't seen any details about Amazon's take on Android but you're posting about it here and someone else is posting about it here.
One way or another the Galaxy Tab will have ICS within a month of AOSP release. Maybe not a official Samsung release though!
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Samsung LOL, around Feb officially....
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Samsung LOL, around Feb officially....
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A Samsung official update? Nooo more like June We may have a CM8 build by Feb, but this is assuming that Google doesn't sit on its hands over the AOSP release. It takes a while for the source to drop
I'm pretty sure when Google releases the source to ICS one of the talented devs on this forum will port an AOSP over to the Galaxy Tab, I don't see why they wouldn't.
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A Samsung official update? Nooo more like June We may have a CM8 build by Feb, but this is assuming that Google doesn't sit on its hands over the AOSP release. It takes a while for the source to drop
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Ahh what I meant to say was Samsung will release it in Feb but then pull it after too many bugs...... then take till June like you said
Mmmmmm CM8 on this would be awesome, running a CM variant on my SGS
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Where are people getting all this sort of information?
I hadn't seen any details about Amazon's take on Android but you're posting about it here and someone else is posting about it here.
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http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/02/amazon-kindle-tablet/
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Where are people getting all this sort of information?
I hadn't seen any details about Amazon's take on Android but you're posting about it here and someone else is posting about it here.
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i dont want to look like i dont have any faith in our devs but how can you believe they will port the aosp ICS to tab 10.1 when its on even though we dont have any kernel for even p7500 ?
i switched to tab10.1 from xoom for 2 reasons; 1, the screen was better and 2, i believed it would be more populer so it would have more devs than the xoom..
screen is perfect but the number 2 let me down..
_delice_doluca_ said:
i dont want to look like i dont have any faith in our devs but how can you believe they will port the aosp ICS to tab 10.1 when its on even though we dont have any kernel for even p7500 ?
i switched to tab10.1 from xoom for 2 reasons; 1, the screen was better and 2, i believed it would be more populer so it would have more devs than the xoom..
screen is perfect but the number 2 let me down..
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What? Pershoot has a kernel for the 7500... And nobody can "let you down" unless they owe you something...
_delice_doluca_ said:
i dont want to look like i dont have any faith in our devs but how can you believe they will port the aosp ICS to tab 10.1 when its on even though we dont have any kernel for even p7500 ?
i switched to tab10.1 from xoom for 2 reasons; 1, the screen was better and 2, i believed it would be more populer so it would have more devs than the xoom..
screen is perfect but the number 2 let me down..
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There's no guarantee that ICS will offer any real improvement on the Tab, aside from maybe scaling older phone apps better (though 3.2 should fix that).
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What? Pershoot has a kernel for the 7500... And nobody can "let you down" unless they owe you something...
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sorry i havent seen it.. besides i wasnt trying to say they owe us those kernels.. really, i apretiate their work.. but i am sure you understand what i am trying to say..
I can't wait for ICS, but I'd be happy with any vanilla android right now. TouchWiz annoys the crap out of me.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...ist-which-phones-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich/
So where's ICS for the Shift, HTC?
We might as well start getting on them now since they held out forever on the kernel source. The shift is so under rated still.
I don't really see us "officially" getting ICS. Like Sparksco said, the Shift is severely underappreciated.
I do know we have a couple devs working on it though...
I think its a very possible we will see one because
At first I would have said no way we would get it when HTC released Sense 3.0 which only supported Dual-Core devices. That would make you think any later version after 3.0 would also be a definite no and we will never see ICS (officially for the shift) and we know HTC will have to update Sense UI to a later version for ICS
But then again now HTC released Sense 3.5 on devices which is optimized to run on Single Core phones so now if they do update Sense it leaves room to think maybe their next iteration of sense will be compatible with lower end phones to (don't take that to context to much the shift IS very powerful)
We might also see an update like the EVO got when it recieved gingerbread. It got the firmware upgrade to gingerbread but HTC still kept it at 1.0
So their is always the possibility it could be our turn for that.
and now with the Handset alliance thing which HTC is apart of I believe, part of the ruling is you have to support a device for 18 months with latest updates as long as hardware allows.
If anything we know we will be waiting longer than most devices out there anyway if we do end up getting it. The phone is underappreciated a lot, just like the article says (to be honest I was suprised they even mentioned it)
But yea its basically time to start bugging HTC as much as we possibly can for some kind of update. I know I will start
crump84 said:
I don't really see us "officially" getting ICS. Like Sparksco said, the Shift is severely underappreciated.
I do know we have a couple devs working on it though...
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I love you crumpy but that wasn't the question!
VICODAN said:
I love you crumpy but that wasn't the question!
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Haha.. well to answer your question.. Trololol away..
*puts on troll hat*
VICODAN said:
*puts on troll hat*
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Let us know what they say and I'll also ask htcdev about it on twitter
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sparksco said:
Let us know what they say and I'll also ask htcdev about it on twitter
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https://www.facebook.com/htcusa/posts/231659726902311
Official response from HTC USA on Facebook:
Hey guys. If you haven't seen our latest note on ICS, you can catch it here. http://on.fb.me/vSPMMr We will be announcing more phones later so just because it hasn't been announced yet doesn't mean that it won't be in the future.
Trolling HTC is utterly useless. They're not in charge of whether or not we get an official ICS update. If you must troll someone, troll Sprint. To that end, it's really not worth it IMO. Trolling for the kernel source was warranted, because GPL requires them to release it. They're not required to release ICS and honestly, I doubt they will when they could spend that time and money on more popular phones. I love my little shifty but am not in denial of it's popularity. Who really cares if we get an official update? Most of us would end up running a custom version of it anyway and at this rate, we'll see CM9 or other AOSP builds before long. Hell, toast already says he's got a source build running great, it's only a matter of time. Why pull your hair out waiting for an official update?
HTCotta said:
Trolling HTC is utterly useless. They're not in charge of whether or not we get an official ICS update. If you must troll someone, troll Sprint. To that end, it's really not worth it IMO. Trolling for the kernel source was warranted, because GPL requires them to release it. They're not required to release ICS and honestly, I doubt they will when they could spend that time and money on more popular phones. I love my little shifty but am not in denial of it's popularity. Who really cares if we get an official update? Most of us would end up running a custom version of it anyway and at this rate, we'll see CM9 or other AOSP builds before long. Hell, toast already says he's got a source build running great, it's only a matter of time. Why pull your hair out waiting for an official update?
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Either way we're still waiting. The G1 and other older phones have a more working funtional rom or ICS then we do.
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HTCotta said:
Trolling HTC is utterly useless. They're not in charge of whether or not we get an official ICS update. If you must troll someone, troll Sprint. To that end, it's really not worth it IMO. Trolling for the kernel source was warranted, because GPL requires them to release it. They're not required to release ICS and honestly, I doubt they will when they could spend that time and money on more popular phones. I love my little shifty but am not in denial of it's popularity. Who really cares if we get an official update? Most of us would end up running a custom version of it anyway and at this rate, we'll see CM9 or other AOSP builds before long. Hell, toast already says he's got a source build running great, it's only a matter of time. Why pull your hair out waiting for an official update?
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Useless? We got GB kernel source code fairly quickly once we started trolling them. It is important we get an official update from HTC more than you know.
GB source code was always coming, we were quite literally entitled to it (GPL). This is not the case with an ICS update. I know that getting an official update helps immensely, but we're certainly not gonna get one by trolling HTC. It's Sprint's decision.
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Useless? We got GB kernel source code fairly quickly once we started trolling them. It is important we get an official update from HTC more than you know.
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Yes your right it is important that we get a official update. A new kernel could really help a lot even if it was a sense kernel.
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HTCotta said:
GB source code was always coming, we were quite literally entitled to it (GPL). This is not the case with an ICS update. I know that getting an official update helps immensely, but we're certainly not gonna get one by trolling HTC. It's Sprint's decision.
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It's not just sprints choice. It's a partnership between sprint and htc. We just need to express that we do want a official update to htc because htc will listen to us, and might come up with something with sprint. Sprint will not listen to us about a official update because all the do is tell htc which phones are more popular and which ones they think should get the updates first, and then htc goes on it's happy way to make a update. Meanwhile they throw in some of sprints apps (big deal). Htc does most of the work. They do all the kernels, and most of the rom development.
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