This is kind of a question and also kind of a suggestion.
I have seen a lot of info in the forums about using USB Host cables to update xooms, but I have heard no mention of using your PC as a USB drive for the update. I am sure there is probably a good reason for this, but I thought I would ask anyways and see what the response was.
Is it possible to mount your PC hard disk, or possibly a USB drive that is plugged into another port, on the xoom and place the update file there? I tried Googling some info on doing this but was not sure what I should be looking for.
You could put a mac in "drive" mode and do this... in fact, I'm going to try it now... thanks for the idea!
* edit: since my mac drive is hfs, I'm betting it won't be readable by the xoom.... do I care enough to repartition a small section to make it FAT32? nah.
No this won't work for a variety of reasons. Honestly the crazy ideas people come up with just to avoid rooting.
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Well I would root, but I use my xoom in such a manor that I am not willing to risk having it out of commission for a few days, if something was to go wrong.
I think using a USB hub would work. Haven't tried though. But the principal is you have your xoom usb cord and plug it into the hub. Then plug your FAT32 USB into the hub. Now they are linked together. Hubs are cheap and can get them anywhere and most likely you have one and its worth a try. Let me know if it works.
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This is kind of a question and also kind of a suggestion.
I have seen a lot of info in the forums about using USB Host cables to update xooms, but I have heard no mention of using your PC as a USB drive for the update. I am sure there is probably a good reason for this, but I thought I would ask anyways and see what the response was.
Is it possible to mount your PC hard disk, or possibly a USB drive that is plugged into another port, on the xoom and place the update file there? I tried Googling some info on doing this but was not sure what I should be looking for.
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I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work because you have to boot your xoom from the usb device you are using, basically like way back when, when you use to have to shove a floppy into a computer before starting it to redo some of its bios work. You're basically trying to load an "os" like file from your external harddrive (well a flash drive really) and pluging the Xoom into your computer is a whole other concept.
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i was wondering, what if i got a USB harddrive, and plugged it into my hermes?
would WM6 even notice its there?
this is assuming i've got a externally powered HDD that uses the normal USBHOST.
i searched "usb harddrive" in the hermes forums and not many things turned up..
If you have one lying around, give it a go?!
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i searched "usb harddrive" in the hermes forums and not many things turned up..
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that might be the clue to your answer..... the usb port in the phone lacks the capability to host an actual usb device, whether the external device is powered or not... But give it a go anyway... i cant think of any harm in trying... unless there is some kind of major power backflow, but that shouldnt happen unless your external device is faulty
the OS may support it, but hardware-wise - i dont think the Hermes supports USB hosting? or does it?
My brain says no...
But the hope in me says yes...
Wondered about this myself before.
Doesnt the HTC have the ability to act as an external UsB drive through the USB port when connected to a PC using the Advanced USB settings. Maybe its just a question of reversing the settings maybe with an added utility or something i have an external hard drive but not converter to convert the full usb to a mini usb
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Wondered about this myself before.
Doesnt the HTC have the ability to act as an external UsB drive through the USB port when connected to a PC using the Advanced USB settings. Maybe its just a question of reversing the settings maybe with an added utility or something i have an external hard drive but not converter to convert the full usb to a mini usb
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having the device mimmick and external drive and plugging in external storage through USB are 2 completly different things... and it all comes down to the USB host... when you plug your phone into your pc your computer then is able to act as a usb host, as it has the power and the drivers necessary for that... the phone itself lacks the abiltiy to be able to become a usb host...
but hey, at least your thinking
So it may be possible to access a USB HDD if we catered for it using a driver of some sort (written by us guys ofcourse). This may even show up in the file manager as something like /Hard_Drive.?
main procesor (and also OS itself) have support for USB host, but for some reason HTS decide to not enable this feature, it was asked many times, but solution doesnt exist yet... I used this functionallity on my old Fujitsu-Siemens LOOX n500 without necesity to install any drivers, or registry hack, after connection device had available after few second. It was WM5 device.
well think about this:
keep a laptop usb HDD in your car, 160GB of music at your command, with TCPMP who needs a ipod?
i've already modded my stock headset cable to have a 1/8" miniplug AND RCA's on it, so i'm set for the output, but my 4GB of microsd cards just don't cut it
so i'm working on tryin' to find a usb mini b male to usb b male cable right now, might just have to solder one up myself-- i'll post to see how it goes.
I think I've seen them for sale at Radioshack and Compusa - might try peaking in there though if you have a bunch of USB cables kicking around probably cheaper to solder
IF you look around on the net somewhere, someone successfully made a wifi hard drive, and i think it was fairly inexpensive... He loaded tons of mp3's and would access them from his phone via wifi.
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/consumer_electronics/DAVE/
How about this?
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http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/consumer_electronics/DAVE/
How about this?
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Now I got to get me one of these. So many toys, not enough time.
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Now I got to get me one of these. So many toys, not enough time.
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Looks nice!
I just tried this. And nothing happens. Tried a usb memory key (low power), an external HDD (on its own power supply) and a card reader, none of them did anything.
thanks for the go.. after my weekend spent messing with *nix and tryin' to get into locked up wifi, i was spent.
I hook up my Vibrant to my PC and nothing happens. The phone starts charging but I never get a prompt on my computer or sound notification that something has been mounted.
I go to my computer and see nothing of an external hardware source being plugged in.
I want to root my phone but I can't seem to get my Vibrant to show up on my computer. My MyTouch Slide had no problem. Suggestions?
I've already tried changing the USB drive settings...
I am not near my computer right now, so maybe someone more experienced can give you precise advice, but what I did for my PC (XP Pro) is download the Samsung USB Driver, install it, and only then the PC would recognize the phone.
Also, after your phone is recognized, you still have to mount it as an external drive from the phone itself before it can work.
See this is why I hate windows. I spent the last half hour trying to figure out what was wrong with this. In the end, simply plugging the USB into a different port fixed everything.
Have the same issue here. One port works and one does not recognize the Vibrant no matter what I try.
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See this is why I hate windows. I spent the last half hour trying to figure out what was wrong with this. In the end, simply plugging the USB into a different port fixed everything.
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That's not a windows problem, you have an iffy USB port
Also, now that you have fixed your issue, why not just download the update.zip file directly to your phone, no need to use your pc.
I posted this question in the main Android Section in error but, I am running OS X 10.5 (Leopard) on a MacBook Air and I can't get it to read my Epic. The Epic will give me the prompt to mount as a storage device but my Mac won't see it. It also fails to see it with adb and the Epic in Dev mode.
Has anyone else with a Mac had this problem? If not any data on the version/hardware your running would be greatly appreciated to narrow down this problem.
Keep posting this but if it helps...
I had the same issue. I used a non-powered usb hub and now it works. Not the best solution but at least it's working.
i'm using a macbook pro (not air like yours) and i have two usb ports (one on the right and the other on the left). For some reason, only the right usb will work with my epic, the left side wont. i'm not sure how many usbs are on the air but try using different usb ports.
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i'm using a macbook pro (not air like yours) and i have two usb ports (one on the right and the other on the left). For some reason, only the right usb will work with my epic, the left side wont. i'm not sure how many usbs are on the air but try using different usb ports.
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MacBook Air only has 1 measly USB port, so he might want to try a powered USB hub if that port is not supplying enough juice.
Yeah, its not OSX, its a power issue. Works fine on my Regular Unibody Macbook :/ with 10.6. People with Macbook Air and MacbookPro's are having issues.
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Yeah, its not OSX, its a power issue. Works fine on my Regular Unibody Macbook :/ with 10.6. People with Macbook Air and MacbookPro's are having issues.
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So would the solution be to use a powered USB hub? A poster above said that using a non-powered USB hub did the trick for him.
I had the same exact problem with my evo. A software called NTFS for mac by Paragon fixed it for me (would post a link but don't know if it's allowed, google is your friend). It costs 20.00 but you can use the trial for free for a while and it works great. Now I can also copy and delete files from NTFS formatted external hard drives and flash drives, plus my android powered phone.
did you guys try the usb debugging mode , it worked in mine !!!
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I had the same exact problem with my evo. A software called NTFS for mac by Paragon fixed it for me (would post a link but don't know if it's allowed, google is your friend). It costs 20.00 but you can use the trial for free for a while and it works great. Now I can also copy and delete files from NTFS formatted external hard drives and flash drives, plus my android powered phone.
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I find that odd because Android does not generally use the NTFS file format at it is a Windows file format. Android (and or Linux in general) usually go for FAT and or Ext2/3.
I have Paragon's NTFS for Mac on my Mac simply because i dabble with some NTFS formatted volumes but have never encountered an Android device using NTFS before.
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did you guys try the usb debugging mode , it worked in mine !!!
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Yes, that was the first thing I tried and I always have it enabled when I connect my Epic to my MBP.
I might be wrong about being NTFS. I just know that worked for me. I couldn't even see my evo in my devices until I installed that.
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I find that odd because Android does not generally use the NTFS file format at it is a Windows file format. Android (and or Linux in general) usually go for FAT and or Ext2/3.
I have Paragon's NTFS for Mac on my Mac simply because i dabble with some NTFS formatted volumes but have never encountered an Android device using NTFS before.
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Interesting. If I use my older MacBook Pro (2009 model), it works when directly connected but does not work through my cinema display usb port.
Thank you everyone for your help. Turns out it's a power issue on the USB port, used a powered hub and came right up. I also tried the NTPS idea but that didn't do anything for me.
i havent been able to connect either i just put the sd card in the adapter and plug it straight into my mbp
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i havent been able to connect either i just put the sd card in the adapter and plug it straight into my mbp
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That's what I had to resort to. I would assume that a Mac Mini with 5 usb ports would be sufficient enough to juice it but no dice. I have a powered hub laying around somewhere. Will give that a try and see wht gives.
Powered Hub is the trick
Had no success using USB ports on the MacBook Pro until I used a powered hub. Then I found:
1. With USB Debug on, a hinky message about the network appears. Ignore that and the phone will mount.
2. With USB Debug off, no message appears and the phone mounts.
With USB Debug off, I selected 'mass storage' and did not need to click on the USB notification to mount the phone. That's weird because you can also mount the phone through the USB notification. Not sure if one way is better than the other, but I'll stick with just the 'mass storage' option for now.
Mine doesn't mount and i'm in no mood to clutter my desktop with a hub when my Mac Mini already has 5 USB ports. So i said eff it and use an app called WebSharing to mount my Epic as a wifi volume and access from web browser. Very nice, wifi upload speeds are great. This work around suits me somewhat.
While I know that honeycomb does not support this yet (but likely will with the sd card upgrade), there have been rumors that the micro USB slot on the XOOM is actually capable of hosting.
Does anyone know this for sure?
Basically, im trying to decide between the XOOM and the unamed Toshiba tablet.
I like that the Toshiba tablet has Hosting with a full usb port, and Im wondering if the XOOM will be able to do the same (albeit with an adapter).
Though, I dont even know if The toshiba tablet will release in the US any time soon.
ALL THANKS TO ROEBEET WHO HAS ENABLED HOSTING OF THUMB STICKS ON THE XOOM! - scroll through this conversation to get to roebeets post!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...1218305636450&skuId=1946179&st=xoom&cp=1&lp=1
Look down the page a bit for ...
Note: Optical drive not included
Compatible with optional external recordable CD/DVD drives (not included).
This would imply it does.
Yes, it most definitely will have that capability. Please see the thread here that I started a while back on the Moto Owners Forum, where I was able to get not only Moto reps to confirm this, but also was fortunate enough to get the actual Moto tech who worked on the Xoom's USB to chime in with some info. My guess is, the same software update that will enable the microSD card will also enable the USB host capabilities of the micro USB port (both external data storage).
The USB hosting being locked down software wise, at least initially, is being done to get some quick cash on their accessories. The unlock that they MIGHT provide later would allow 3rd party keyboards and other accessories access to the Xoom.
I really doubt that they will do a software lock later but the fact that it is software locked and not hardware means that someone here in XDA will be able to unlock it for us eventually.
how hard would it have been to put a full sized USB. Seriously.
Germwise said:
how hard would it have been to put a full sized USB. Seriously.
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It would make the tablet thicker. micro USB is fine since most of us already have tons of those cables.
Germwise said:
how hard would it have been to put a full sized USB. Seriously.
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look at the thickness of Notion Ink Adam becuase of 2 USB adapters
I did a bit of research on this.
So it appears the same situation exists for the dell streak. It also has USB host like motorola (confirmed by moto engineer).
Some guy here: http://linuxslate.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1286562168
Shows how to get USB drives mounted and usable on dell streak running android 2.1 - this appears not to work on android 2.2 and higher.
OF NOTE: with the right cable (apparently some exist that support OTG hosting capabilities) and the right developer - we can absolutely get USB hosting onto the xoom.
Likely, a couple of scenarios exist to getting this working. First, we wait for the microsdcard update for the xoom - which may make it easier to host from the USB port; Second - we wait for a smart developer to port this sort of code into and app or custom rom; Third - we wait for the toshiba tablet to come out (as it has a full USB port for host) and steal its rom and port it to the Xoom.
I have a Nokia OTG cable that I misakenly bought for an Archos 32 (didn't work), and I tried it on my Xoom. I can use a USB keyboard with it, FYI. But a USB mouse I tested does not work.
USB thumb drives may not work as there's no mount point - I might try to create a custom boot.img and test that out, if I have time.
This is the cable I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-...314427?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a640778bb
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I have a Nokia OTG cable that I misakenly bought for an Archos 32 (didn't work), and I tried it on my Xoom. I can use a USB keyboard with it, FYI. But a USB mouse does not work.
USB thumb drives may not work as there's no mount point - I might try to create a custom boot.img and test that out, if I have time.
This is the cable I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-...314427?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a640778bb
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Thanks for the post Roebeet;
This sounds excellent - im happy that xoom has the ability to host - that was the last piece of the puzzle for me - cant wait for the custom roms that implement this ability!
USB thumb drive confirmed working
Needed to make a boot.img change, however. I'm going to write up a HOWTO, shortly.
roebeet said:
I have a Nokia OTG cable that I misakenly bought for an Archos 32 (didn't work), and I tried it on my Xoom. I can use a USB keyboard with it, FYI. But a USB mouse I tested does not work.
USB thumb drives may not work as there's no mount point - I might try to create a custom boot.img and test that out, if I have time.
This is the cable I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-...314427?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a640778bb
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Can't even get a mouse to work with BlueTooth, so that's probably why a USB mouse doesn't work...
USB thumb drive instructions (with altered boot.img link)
Dropped the instructions here: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php...le-usb-host-mode-ie-thumb-drives-on-the-xoom/
I have this running on my Xoom right now - thumb drive can see files and play content (like music and video).
Awesome! Time to order an OTG cable
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Dropped the instructions here: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php...le-usb-host-mode-ie-thumb-drives-on-the-xoom/
I have this running on my Xoom right now - thumb drive can see files and play content (like music and video).
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You are amazing as always man - Im from the NIH community as well (flaunt)
Thanks so much for this!
Salpula said:
Awesome! Time to order an OTG cable
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That eBay guy is going to wonder why the sudden surge of cable orders, soon.
It's coming from Hong Kong, but I think I got mine in less than 2 weeks - this was back in November. I had ordered this cable with an Archos 32 in mind, but I screwed up the first time and got the wrong cable. I'm happy to report that it's finally getting some use.
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Dropped the instructions here: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php...le-usb-host-mode-ie-thumb-drives-on-the-xoom/
I have this running on my Xoom right now - thumb drive can see files and play content (like music and video).
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You are AWESOME.
Hey roebeet, Quick question:
Does this allow you to transfer or write files to the USB drive as well? Or will we have to wait for honeycomb to support sd cards to do this?
Can files be written onto the thumb drive or moved there using a file explorer?
Just wondering!
anyway to translate this mod to getting the micro SD slot working
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Hey roebeet, Quick question:
Does this allow you to transfer or write files to the USB drive as well? Or will we have to wait for honeycomb to support sd cards to do this?
Can files be written onto the thumb drive or moved there using a file explorer?
Just wondering!
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It doesn't look like it's mounted read-only so I'd say yes.
Hello all
Just bought one of these off the net for the missus so ill be active around these threads as well. Personally i have a xoom this will be like my second to flash the heck out of lol but as I've been reading about these i have a couple small questions
1. Is the sd card working on stock rom so i can flash customs or will an update to 3.1 be required like the xoom?
2. Does the usb port work as host out of the box?
3. Whats the general stable oc you guys are achieving?
I have tried to search these but some are hazy on the specs or they are outdated
Cheers
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Hello all
Just bought one of these off the net for the missus so ill be active around these threads as well. Personally i have a xoom this will be like my second to flash the heck out of lol but as I've been reading about these i have a couple small questions
1. Is the sd card working on stock rom so i can flash customs or will an update to 3.1 be required like the xoom?
2. Does the usb port work as host out of the box?
3. Whats the general stable oc you guys are achieving?
I have tried to search these but some are hazy on the specs or they are outdated
Cheers
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Fastest claimed speed is 1.64ghz, stable closer to 1.5.
SD card does work on stock, actually is required for flashing. As yet you can't flash from on board only external.
USB seems to work for some devices not others depending on whether you use the full size USB or the mini. Look on the market for USB mount all, you do need fat32 not ntfs though
Anyone want to contradict any of this?
Cheers mate thats good to hear except for the host feature thats the whole point hoppwfulky i get a good one
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Yes USB host [the fullsize USB not the mini] works out of the box. If your USB device requires power though - like some external HDD's - it may not work as there might not be enough power draw.
The mini USB is for the connection to your computer and SDK/ADB/general File transfer use - along side the Acer USB driver install [so make sure you've got the Acer USB driver installed on the computer(s) you plan on using to push files to the tab though mini-USB].
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Yes USB host [the fullsize USB not the mini] works out of the box. If your USB device requires power though - like some external HDD's - it may not work as there might not be enough power draw.
The mini USB is for the connection to your computer and SDK/ADB/general File transfer use - along side the Acer USB driver install [so make sure you've got the Acer USB driver installed on the computer(s) you plan on using to push files to the tab though mini-USB].
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Yeh as i said im well advised due my xoom on rooting and android adb, drivers (not being a know it all smart azz) just those couple q got me thinking.. Thanks for a second opinion seems very similar to xoom. Shame how host cant produce 5v at 500ma it wouldnt be to hard for them to up the lousy 3.7v it seems they are running now
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Fastest claimed speed is 1.64ghz, stable closer to 1.5.
SD card does work on stock, actually is required for flashing. As yet you can't flash from on board only external.
USB seems to work for some devices not others depending on whether you use the full size USB or the mini. Look on the market for USB mount all, you do need fat32 not ntfs though
Anyone want to contradict any of this?
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You can use internal for flashing if you're using thors latest recovery.
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