At I/O, two of the big announcements were about the 3.1 release which includes USB host capabilities and the new ADK for open accessory development so you can plug all kinds of things into your device and control them via Android. BUT as far as I can tell the Galaxy Tabs don't have any USB ports to take advantage of either of these advancements. Seems like it is already seriously limited in capability before it even hits the shelves....Thoughts?
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At I/O, two of the big announcements were about the 3.1 release which includes USB host capabilities and the new ADK for open accessory development so you can plug all kinds of things into your device and control them via Android. BUT as far as I can tell the Galaxy Tabs don't have any USB ports to take advantage of either of these advancements. Seems like it is already seriously limited in capability before it even hits the shelves....Thoughts?
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Samsung probably sell the USB host controller as a separate accessory and from there, ADK device connects into it. Of course, its better to have it IN IT in the first place, but not a dealbreaker
Wish there was a micro USB port on the tablet, but Samsung did announce at CTIA that they'll have a USB connection kit. Just like the iPad, it's a USB connector that plugs into the Samsung port.
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Which ones worked for you?
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I bought this one because I needed 2.0 power to all ports for the MIDI devices I have. It works well. Nice and cheap, plus it's the multi-TT mode which means your 2.0 devices won't drop to 1.1 when you plug in older devices, although I don't know if that even matters with the KF. I was considering buying a solar USB hub to test but I don't expect it to charge as much as a wall-charged hub.
Connecting some dots here. This is pure speculation and it might sound crazy but hear me out.
It has been rumored for a while that Google is adding a dockable desktop mode in Android, maybe similar to the WebTop OS in some Motorola Phones. There have been patents filed and reports claiming that it would release in Jelly Bean. That obviously didn't happen but maybe it is coming in 5.0 (Key Lime Pie?)
Samsung changed the MHL connector from a 5-pin configuration to 11-pin on the Galaxy S3. People were upset because their old MHL adapters would no longer work. Why did they change it? Changing to the 11-pin configuration allows USB Host support (OTG) with HDMI support simultaneously. I have yet to find a connector with both HDMI and USB ports so I'm assuming they are saving this functionality for down the road.
With a desktop mode, more RAM will obviously be needed with increased multitasking. Samsung reportedly upped our S3's to 2GB ram to make it more "future proof" for potential Jelly Bean hardware requirements, which ended up not being even close to required. Perhaps they were thinking that Jelly Bean would bring a desktop mode, but it was saved for a future Android release? Or perhaps they are planning on implementing some sort of Ubuntu for Android functionality?
Thoughts?
Hmm any bored people with experience want to try splicing a 11 pin MHL cord into a OTG and 5 pin MHL? Thinking about it now.. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible unless software is limiting it.. *And at that point is where I guess the devs come in*
This is excellent I just recieved my S3 MHL 11-pin connector, now to try it out tonight with OTG.
Hi danben7, does your mhl cable support simultaneous hdmi and usb-otg? I just ordered the Motorola Lapdock and was hoping to rig a set of cables to enable to use my S3 as a mini-laptop thru the Lapdock.
icarus78 said:
Hi danben7, does your mhl cable support simultaneous hdmi and usb-otg? I just ordered the Motorola Lapdock and was hoping to rig a set of cables to enable to use my S3 as a mini-laptop thru the Lapdock.
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Nope, unfortuanetely it's not possible. MHL to HDMI needs the charger to be plugged in to the extra port.
Unless in the future samsung release a new MHL connector with OTG together, i don't see it happening. Honestly I don't know why they changed to an 11pin connector.
I totally see this happen for several reasons.
It will be the perfect competitive to Win8
Key Lime pie could suggest a big change since L follows K in the alphabet
At the IO they said the chose ASUS because the like what the do with the transformer series
The new Chrome OS version (v19 and newer) looks like the tablet mode of ICS.
Just add on-screen buttons next to the running apps and enable Widgets
Onskreen and Wind River show that Android can easily support a multi-window mode
Ubuntu on Android looks very promising
The 5 Nexus devices rumor suggest a Key Lime Pie launch before christmas
The 5 Nexus devices will include a ASUS device (I think) -> a ASUS device that is no 7incher will
be a perfect fit for a desktop mode
At least a slow joining between Android and Chrome OS is confirmed by leading Chrome OS developers
I think JB is just a antedated part of the planned yearly release cycle, to compete with Amazone and to
push Android Tablets
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Any idea if the 7 supports a external DAC out of the box? I am still waiting for USB Support on my Galaxy Nexus - jelly bean on the GN does not natively support it.
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The Engadget article "Gear4 speaker dock supports USB audio for Jelly Bean at Google I/O 2012 (hands-on video)!" (I'm not able to post links yet) seems to suggest that JB supports USB audio out.
It does not support standard USB DAC out of the box.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 does.
The Nexus 7 only supports Jelly Bean's android proprietary USB audio, which is a situation where the android computer device is USB client and the DAC is USB host.
I am not sure what google was smoking when they came up with that; in which level of hell does it make sense that the computer would be client to a host DAC? Seriously wtf.
Anyway, standard USB DACs operate as USB clients, because that is logical. The Nexus 7 does not support this, as it is important that Google reinvent the wheel.
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It does not support standard USB DAC out of the box.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 does.
The Nexus 7 only supports Jelly Bean's android proprietary USB audio, which is a situation where the android computer device is USB client and the DAC is USB host.
I am not sure what google was smoking when they came up with that; in which level of hell does it make sense that the computer would be client to a host DAC? Seriously wtf.
Anyway, standard USB DACs operate as USB clients, because that is logical. The Nexus 7 does not support this, as it is important that Google reinvent the wheel.
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Wouldn't Google design it this way so that the device could charged while docked into a USB DAC dock?
bradsh1 said:
It does not support standard USB DAC out of the box.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 does.
The Nexus 7 only supports Jelly Bean's android proprietary USB audio, which is a situation where the android computer device is USB client and the DAC is USB host.
I am not sure what google was smoking when they came up with that; in which level of hell does it make sense that the computer would be client to a host DAC? Seriously wtf.
Anyway, standard USB DACs operate as USB clients, because that is logical. The Nexus 7 does not support this, as it is important that Google reinvent the wheel.
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Correct, can confirm that neither my E7 or E17 will work with the N7. E7 does work with my S3.
Has anyone had luck with this one? I'm looking for one that is not too expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000Q8UAWY/ref=aw_cr_d_electronics
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That's not a "powered" hub. By most definitions, a powered hub would utilize a separate power source like an AC adapter, so the attached devices can draw power from it rather than the host device. Something like this perhaps...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ERAOL4
I don't have any experience with either product... just wanted to point out the difference.
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That's not a "powered" hub. By most definitions, a powered hub would utilize a separate power source like an AC adapter, so the attached devices can draw power from it rather than the host device. Something like this perhaps...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ERAOL4
I don't have any experience with either product... just wanted to point out the difference.
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The Belkin looks like a good choice. There are cheaper products, but I suggest paying the extra bucks for something with a name brand and reputation.
I've had mixed results with cheaper powered hubs. Some worked fine, but none of them for long. My most common problem with cheap hubs is that the USB ports get loose and stop making good connections with your devices.
I've had another odd problem with one of the cheaper ones. The 5v input from the included transformer was not correctly isolated from the 5v of the USB port that heads to the PC. When my PC was shut down, other USB devices on my PC would try to power up through the tiny transformer, which eventually killed the transformer, and was also the most likely reason I had a set of USB ports fail on that machine.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that my recomendation is to buy from a company with a reputation to protect, it's worth the extra few bucks.
Will it be USB 3.1 or like on One Plus Two?
What do you think?
I think that because Google is behind some of the tech choices (like all Nexus devices,) it will be USB 3.1. The Nexus devices have always been a way for Google to show what they think the next generation of Android phones should include.
USB C is a fantastic connector and is much better than the Micro B connector we have all gotten used to, but just switching the connector hopefully won't be good enough for Google. They'd be stupid not to take advantage of the newest USB standards and everything that comes with it.
So, my bet is on the 6P having USB 3.1.
i believe that the new nexus' will have the type c.. since marshmallow will support it .. and this is from google themselves
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I think that because Google is behind some of the tech choices (like all Nexus devices,) it will be USB 3.1. The Nexus devices have always been a way for Google to show what they think the next generation of Android phones should include.
USB C is a fantastic connector and is much better than the Micro B connector we have all gotten used to, but just switching the connector hopefully won't be good enough for Google. They'd be stupid not to take advantage of the newest USB standards and everything that comes with it.
So, my bet is on the 6P having USB 3.1.
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all of the leaks pretty much confirm USB C as a thing on the 6P and 5X. Im just hoping they are able to implement fast charging through them
In the leaked slides Google said it will have faster data transfer with USB Type-C so that implies its USB 3.1 but we will know for sure tomorrow
I'm about 99% sure it's just USB 2.0 Type C.
All of the accessory cables on google's store page are USB 2.0.
Sucks, but oh well I guess :/
Edit: AndroidPolice confirmed USB3 not USB2!!!
WOOHOO!!