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Okay, I'm assuming you all bought your hero's for what it was capable of when you bought it, seeing as there were no confirmed updates from HTC and even Google scheduled yet, so why does the majority get annoyed when their phone misses out on the latest 2.2 update? It still has all the features you bought it for. Any update at all is a positive, no update is neutral since your phone didn't lose anything, it just didn't gain anything either. Besides the fact that our Hero's already have basic flash support and are ahead of most devices in functionality just because it was ahead of its time when it got released?
I am somewhere in the middle: somewhat content with my Android 1.5 Hero and somewhat annoyed at the lack of updates. I think the trouble all comes down to convergence. Let me toss a couple thoughts your way. Generally speaking, in the recent past people have:
1) Paid full price for a computer (laptop, desktop, etc) and then promptly go out at get what ever Internet service provider they want (cable DSL) etc. The computer works on any network.
2) Paid a reduced price for mobile phones for the trade off of signing a contract and being tied to a particular provider. In many cases, only certain phones are available on certain networks. This is the complete opposite of the computer case in #1
3) Expected that their computer will be upgradeable (for a fee) over the years, at least until the hardware becomes obsolete. I know I've had XP, Vista, and Windows 7 on the same machine.
4) Expected that if they wanted new features on a phone, they would need to get a new phone.
Now the phones and computers are, too some extent, converging into one device. If I use my Android phone to check email, twitter, facebook, etc and never make voice calls - is it really a phone? No, it is just another Internet connected device for which my expectations are typically that I can upgrade the device until the hardware becomes obsolete. I didn't necessarily say that should be free, but it should be possible.
Another aspect that people expect of their computers, is that they can load virtually any application designed for that OS. Even today, most applications (if not all?) written for Windows 7 still run on XP. With Android, the applications seem to have been tied to the OS. For example, with my 1.5 phone I still can't use Google Voice search or Google Goggles? Why? My phone has a camera and a microphone, but for some reason you need to have 1.6 for them. Same for the free Google Navigation. You need to have a later version - just to run an application.
Again, I am somewhere in the middle. I have been VERY pleased with my HTC Hero. At the same time, I sure would like Google Voice search, Navigation, multiple gmail accounts, etc. I might even be willing to pay to update it (much like Apple makes people pay for iPod Touch updates). But shelling out $600 for a new phone (I buy unlocked - which is much cheaper for me in the long run) for those features does not seem worth it.
The lesson learned might be to always by the Google phone (i.e. Nexus One or whatever comes next). Google are responsible for pushing out those updates and it seems to happen fast!
I bouth my Hero after I saw the HTC tweet that they are working on the 2.1.
Update from 2.1 to 2.2 is a natural function of Android - it's OTA friendly. If a manufacturer declares Android, it declares everything what goes with it. If they don't want to spend time on such minor updates as 2.2, they should declare that as well: Android without updates. And they have not. So people are angry for not getting what they expect. And the expectatons are absolutely reasonable. That's why I will NOT buy any other HTC device. I learned that they dont't treat us, customers, fairly. They are going to do the same exact thing with the Desire as well. Not going down that path again.
I personally haven't heard one person moaning about not getting 2.2.
But people are expecting 2.1 due to no updates being given on the OS since the handset was released. Hero users were promised a long time ago that we would be getting 2.1 due to 1.6 being skipped, whereas other, lower spec models had that update.
You don't know what functionality will be added two updates later, so not having them is neutral, no one is oblidged to update their products and they can be discontinued whenever they wish. Does it matter? No, you got the phone based on the features it had when you bought it, the phone doesn't all of a sudden get worse because it didn't get an update.
I for one will purchase another HTC device when I'm done with my hero, simply because they deliver the best product with the best feature set regarding android, if updates are slow oh well, I buy phones for what they are capable of at the time of purchase since I can't look into the future, and neither can you.
So - all you set out to do with your original post was anger people and not take into account other peoples point of view? I took some time to provide some rational arguments.
Dont you expect to get updates for your computer? Graphics Drivers? Network Drivers? Operating Systems? Surely you don't just by a new computer everytime you need that functionality. You expect either the OS Vendor or the computer manufacturer to provide updates - both to create new features and fix bugs.
Bug fixes yes, but as they said those will be provided, and no I don't expect additional features, sure I'll be happy with new features but I didn't expect them. Even though phones are getting closer and closer to being computers they aren't.
How are they different?
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Okay, I'm assuming you all bought your hero's for what it was capable of when you bought it, seeing as there were no confirmed updates from HTC and even Google scheduled yet, so why does the majority get annoyed when their phone misses out on the latest 2.2 update? It still has all the features you bought it for. Any update at all is a positive, no update is neutral since your phone didn't lose anything, it just didn't gain anything either. Besides the fact that our Hero's already have basic flash support and are ahead of most devices in functionality just because it was ahead of its time when it got released?
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I was happy with it when I got it, it was after all the flagship HTC device of 2009. But then about a month later 1.6 came out, and HTC said they were working on an upgrade to 1.6. This was delayed, then 2.0 came out and HTC suggested they would upgrade to 2.0 instead. The same happened with 2.1. But you are correct that they never really announced any upgrades officially, it was just announced on there twitter stream. Which is half the problem really. They kept suggesting that they were working on an upgrade, but kept pushing it back. Had they just done the 1.6 upgrade and then stopped, I don't think half as many people would be annoyed.
What HTC did wrong here was to give inconsistent information, along with delays and then kept junking what they had done and telling people they were working on something better. As a result, people kept hanging on, and being told that if they just waited a little longer then they would get an upgrade. If HTC had just come clean and updated us with offical announcements, or had stuck with 1.6 and been honest about a lack of improvement, then people wouldn't still be waiting.
Also, if you look at the iPhone model, they may charge for upgrades but the original 2G iPhone has only just gone out of support. Given that the Hero was the 2009 flagship Android device, and was still being sold way into 2010, its a little hard to stomach the idea that its out of support so quickly.
tl;dr HTC kept pissing us around and making us wait just a little longer, when it could have just said "not going to happen, here is 1.6, sorry" and this is annoying.
Are we buying a piece of hardware which is only going to be bug fixed, or are we buying hardware which is going to be updated for a certain amount of time even after they're no longer selling it?
In my opinion we're not just buying hardware, we're buying a software package behind it. That software needs to be updated, otherwise some major killer feature in a slightly newer version isn't possible for you to get - such as Google navigation, can turn a 6 month old phone which has the hardware capability into a device which is so frustrating.
I expect my device to last around 2 years, various networks offer contracts on these devices for 2 years, I think it's fair to expect updates to smart phones for that duration. I wouldn't expect every feature to be supported (eg. no live wallpaper if the device can't handle it), but it should be updated so it's possible to run the latest apps on it.
The phone manufacturers need to be honest on how long they plan to support these things, because it is becoming an issue. People feel abandoned if they pay hundreds of pounds on a device and never get an update, whilst other users pay the same amount and get multiple updates. If HTC doesn't want to release updates then that's fine - I'll just consider it before buying the device.
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I am somewhere in the middle: somewhat content with my Android 1.5 Hero and somewhat annoyed at the lack of updates. I think the trouble all comes down to convergence [snip].
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Nice argument. I hadn't thought about the convergence issue. You might well have hit the nail on the head.
I see your point, but if you had gotten any other non android smartphone besides the iPhone you wouldn't be getting significant feature set updates either.
But some people bought the hero because HTC said they were working on 2.1 months ago, others bought it because it was advertised "Android" and assumed you'd get Android updates. Others bought it because it's a good phone, but to the first two groups of people, the promise of new features was a reason for buying.
People are annoyed because HTC won't provide an update they've said they're working on (2.1), which seems to be a marketing interference to get as many people to buy a new device, rather than keep using their all one.
Also annoying is that we're stymied from having a generic OS made with drivers for all sorts of mobile hardware, but that's more of a philosophical annoyance.
I'm ticked off at the lack of update, not because I think I deserve an update per se, but more because I think I deserve all the features to work properly on my phone, and they don't.
And it's not like I could have tried it before I bought it either...
I've been an HTC user since 2003 and have always promoted the brand, but I don't think I'll get another one after this.
Hi,
I would like to start discussion, what do you thing, why is the MS still issuing tha activation codes for WP7. Nobody here could think, that in MS are so stupid, that they did not noticed, that there is successful port of WP7 to HD2 and that they are now issuing the activation keys to those phones.
I am thinking about those possible reasons:
they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
I think option 1.
would go for option 1.
only marketshare that would go up is web browser marketshare... they do not sell more phones this way.
what could be a fourth option is that microsoft actually uses the XDA community to test every security system in their OS for loopholes and bugs in an early stage so they can fix all that (without having to look for the problems theirselves) and make sure people are unable to hack their OS when the OS goes into a more complete and final form as the OS is now only in 7.0 and not even released globally.
still option 1 is more likely. they possibly do not have a database with all s/n or imei numbers for all (sold) wp7 phones so they are unable to check.
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I think option 1.
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Its Option 1. I remember reading on their support site that on some cases that the verification fails (the did not mention the possible reasons) on any windows phone out of the box.
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they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
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Definitely #1. When I called technical support, it seemed like the woman I talked with had done this before and she knew exactly what I was talking about. She asked if I was using WP7 and when I said yes, she even said "Oh, well that's why you need an activation code." I think I read somewhere that even if you're using a WP7 device, doing a hard reset on the phone would cause you to need a new activation code, so it's not out of the ordinary for them to receive calls about it I suppose.
#3 is something I'm a bit worried about in the back of my mind, but the thing is my phone identifies itself as an HD7, so I'm not sure if MS would be able to tell it wasn't. I also don't think it's worth their time and money to look into the issue since in the bigger picture, the amount of users who haven't bought an "offical" WP7 device is relatively small I would think. Another thing is they're now getting money from me, since while I have absolutely no interest in buying a new WP7 device, I'm now buying apps/games and will probably buy some music through Zune (really digging the software).
I don’t think there is a downside for MS at the moment. From what I understand, the HD2 is one of the few (last gen) phones capable of running WP7 and the more people that use WP7 the sooner that apps that are popular for other OS's will be created for WP. More money for MS but more importantly, quicker adoption by the general public because the marketplace will quickly catch up with Apple and Droid.
From my limited use of WP7, it’s a great addition. Different thinking in its design but a distinct lack of business and productivity tools in the marketplace is going to hold me back from a using this as my daily OS.
Not a bad thought
I say #1 for sure, though i fear #3 to be honest ;-)
I am highly impressed with Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft may have realized that someone like me may make a WP7 device their next phone purchase.
1 and 2, please not 3.
It's obviously 1 as there have been several actual WP7 handsets needing activation also - that said, there is nothing stopping them from killing all the HD2 codes at any given time. The IMEI still identifies the phone as a HD2 rather than an HD7 so whenever they feel the need...
They could also go as far as banning your Live account from any future access to Zune and Xbox Live due to this - both the one used on your phone and the one you [may have] given them during your phonecall.
I was thinking #2, but i'm reading more and more people now not getting codes. therefore i guess it's #1.
will be very interesting to see what happens when the update comes along. ?will you dare to try it? will marketplace and apps stop working even if you don't install it?
Why should MS actually have a problem with 5 to 10 000 enthusiats that are flashing WP7 on their HD2's? I don't think that will affect sales of new WP7 phones as the HD2 is not produced anymore anyway.
ill take number 3 for 500.00 Alex kidding
I truly believe MS is going to lock us out from Live services similar to the same issue the xbox 360 with a custom FW have,they do a massive band of xbox 360 systems from xbox live service a couple of times a year.
Although we are not pirating any games such in the case of xbox 360 flashed with custom firmware (and yes some people are going to say some use their flashed xbox 360 to backup their games I truly don't care, save it for your mama) just modifying our phones but it seems to me as one way for them to screw us over.
1 & 2 & - I fear - even 3
homer.web said:
Hi,
I would like to start discussion, what do you thing, why is the MS still issuing tha activation codes for WP7. Nobody here could think, that in MS are so stupid, that they did not noticed, that there is successful port of WP7 to HD2 and that they are now issuing the activation keys to those phones.
I am thinking about those possible reasons:
they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
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You do know that Microsoft and HTC along with the rest of them actually read everything posted on these XDA forms.
Why did HTC stop giving out sd cards when everybody started saying there cards were faulty!
Think about it!!!!!!
Russ
Don't be too paranoic. A few years ago Microsoft politely asked XDA not to allow the posting of custom ROM's on it's servers. NOTE: They didn't ask for discontinuation of ROM development, although they could do this legally. They just asked that the ROM's are not hosted on XDA. MS knows this site very well since Day 1.
Same goes for HTC. You look at it in another way: XDA is a perfect testing field for all sorts of things. Here you have a bunch of relatively competent enthusiasts that are ready to do almost everything to theis phones That's a very valuable resource for companies like MS and HTC.
Think about HTC. Their phones are always hackable unlike the phones from other brands. Have asked yourself why this is the case?
TheOnly1 said:
Don't be too paranoic. A few years ago Microsoft politely asked XDA not to allow the posting of custom ROM's on it's servers. NOTE: They didn't ask for discontinuation of ROM development, although they could do this legally. They just asked that the ROM's are not hosted on XDA. MS knows this site very well since Day 1.
Same goes for HTC. You look at it in another way: XDA is a perfect testing field for all sorts of things. Here you have a bunch of relatively competent enthusiasts that are ready to do almost everything to theis phones That's a very valuable resource for companies like MS and HTC.
Think about HTC. Their phones are always hackable unlike the phones from other brands. Have asked yourself why this is the case?
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That is correct. You have hit the nail on the head. HTC & Microsoft like what the XDA Devs do with these ROMs, as it will enhance them to produce better ones. Just think back a few months, they were going to release the wp7 update for the HD2. And then not? Why.. Probably to see if the Devs could do a hack. Also why would microsoft make some tools available to enhance these ROMs. Yes you are correct, they like what's being accomplished.
Its the same with the activation keys, they now have none stop requests!! But they will issue them. Will have to wait and see if the new update works, or crashes it?? I will give it a try.
Russ
A 'carphone warehouse' insider has informed me that they recieved a bulliten stating that some batches of HTC phones were shipped prior to being activated by MS.
MS apparently have a list of new activation numbers for these handsets but may not have a record of any IMEI numbers etc (he wasn't sure how much they knew about the handsets)
Basically it seems that authentication will also fail on some original HTC WP7 handsets (like the HD7) so MS are prepared to issue those with new activation numbers.
Personally, when I gave my IMEI for my HD2 to get the activation code I changed the last 3 digits and they still said 'ah..yes it's a HTC phone, is that correct?', so might be a good idea to base a made up IMEI on a real one.
The way I see it:
This community and the readers are the one who have spent their time to make their phone compatible with Microsoft so they can use MICROSOFT more. They are saving Microsoft marketing money and expanding its share and generate revenue through apps for them.
Microsoft has always been smart with this. They let the piracy of Windows in ASIA to slit through on basis of expansion of market share. Microsoft should know better than anybody else, why most of the planet use windows,
Microsoft has got the label of M$ but in all fairness, they have been nice considering the power and their dominance. They have special discounts for students, their OS provides the opportunity for people to build any system they want at very very affordable costs.
Their Windows Mobile 7 app development kit virtually has made it simple for app developers to develop apps and make money.
(obviously, they win but at the same time, reduces the production budget for start up folks)
I bought 4 copies of Windows 7 PRO x64 through student discount. Who else would give me so much discount to enable me to buy so many fantastic products?
sorry for the rant and fanboyism. I thought it was justified.
ever thought that maybe they don't know about the hd2 running wp7, my friend had to contact ms for activation for his hd7...
Who's to blame for delays on updates like gingerbread or bootloader? lawsuit reveals that google has a lot of control over moto and has final say as to when, how and if things get released. Check out the article below and give your opinions please. I personally refuse to let them keep getting data off of me for free and making money off of me, without atleast paying part of my data fees on my bill or giving me a discount. IMO droidwall/disable there data gathering and just use good old fashioned a-gps(like back on windows mobile) if you need to get a lock on your gps.
t h i s i s m y n e x t . c o m /2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/
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Who's to blame for delays on updates like gingerbread or bootloader? lawsuit reveals that google has a lot of control over moto and has final say as to when, how and if things get released. Check out the article below and give your opinions please. I personally refuse to let them keep getting data off of me for free and making money off of me, without atleast paying part of my data fees on my bill or giving me a discount. IMO droidwall/disable there data gathering and just use good old fashioned a-gps(like back on windows mobile) if you need to get a lock on your gps.
t h i s i s m y n e x t . c o m /2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/
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Google is not who dictates it generally goes in this order
Carriers
Manufacturers
Google
If you read about Google I/O this week then you know that google is creating a plan to allow phones to get updated for 1.5 years after release. Google encourages updates it is carriers that don't.
aerojoe420 said:
Who's to blame for delays on updates like gingerbread or bootloader? lawsuit reveals that google has a lot of control over moto and has final say as to when, how and if things get released. Check out the article below and give your opinions please. I personally refuse to let them keep getting data off of me for free and making money off of me, without atleast paying part of my data fees on my bill or giving me a discount. IMO droidwall/disable there data gathering and just use good old fashioned a-gps(like back on windows mobile) if you need to get a lock on your gps.
t h i s i s m y n e x t . c o m /2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/
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you might want to read the article a few times to make sure you understand it. google is not telling moto to not release gingerbread and to lock the bootloader
I may have misread it from what I gathered, they delay some updates because they tell moto/samsung that they need to pass the approval process if they want the google suite on them. they didn't approve the phones delaying there release because they had skyhook instead of googles data gathering stuff on it?
"Motorola wrote back to Skyhook, explaining that Motorola’s license to use Google’s apps requires those apps to collect location data, and that Motorola’s carrier contracts require Google’s Android apps be installed on its phones. If using XPS put Motorola out of compliance with Android and thus unable to license the Google apps, it would violate its carrier contracts.”
I'm not saying I'd rather have skyhook gathering data from me. It just seems to me that we'll never get the bootloader unlocked because of contractual agreements between carrier/moto/google and they all have there own agendas, in googles case they want you to have there data gathering software.
ATT has final say over bootloader issue. Moto has already said they will release it late this year, but with the disclaimer it would be up to the carriers to allow it for "their" phones. Will not happen through those channels. If the Dev's don't get it, then we don't.
It should be expected that almost every phone in the near future will be like this. The carriers are using this to protect what they consider to be their property. The bootloader is a direct and intentional way to stop "us" from doing all the hacks we do that circumvent things they either charge for, or capabilities they have crippled for whatever reason. Themes and apk files that allow personalization is all they want done. Yes they are watching, and looking for things they need to lock in future releases. They ain't playin no more.
I'd like to see accountability from all parties. There is far too much accepted complacency and slothfulness amongst all of the accused.
I don't want to hop on board with the Google devices just to get the latest updates. There may be other phones with certain specs or strong homebrew development communities that I'd like to participate in. It shouldn't take too much for OEMs to mangle the firmware with their "skins" and for carriers to lace these updates with bloatware.
As long as they can all hurry it up, I'll be happy. Right now I'm discontent and frustrated. And I'm sure I'm not alone with these sentiments... ugh...
benefits of a bootloader we could hack are??
you mean like opening the radio for the full functionality that has been crippled? They increased it to about half its capabilities on the last update. Or loading diff drivers at boot to fix problems some folks are having. Maybe loading a different version Droid. Need to do the whole rom, not just packages. Look at threads in Dev section to see the things we can't mod because some or all of the stuff needed is hidden inside. And the things that are hacked (webtop,tethering, etc.), might see them locked by the bootloader in the future. If they make or can make or save money by keeping it from dev's, this is going to be their path to lock it down.
The new sensation just released is "locked" also. part of the new world order,,lol.
HTC Explains Android Bootloader Unlock Process, Warranty-Voiding Tool Coming Later This Month
It’s been a few months now since HTC CEO Peter Chou announced that the company will no longer be locking bootloaders on their devices, and enthusiasts have had nothing to show for it. Many of HTC’s recent devices are still locked up tight, prompting many to wonder when they would deliver on their promise. Thanks to an updated Facebook post and a well-timed tweet, though, we now have the answers we’ve been waiting for.
The process will begin with a web tool (due out later this month) through which you register an account and waive all liability in the event things go horribly wrong. That’s right folks, since unlocking the bootloader gives you a much greater level of control over how the device operates, you can kiss parts (or all) of your warranty goodbye. Once that’s done, you connect the Android device in question to computer with the SDK installed, and you’ll receive a “device identifier token” which gets plugged into the web tool to generate a unique unlock code.
Sounds simple enough, right? The first devices that are set to benefit from the unlocking treatment are the global version of the HTC Sensation, followed buy T-Mobile’s version of the device and the Sprint Evo 3D. Since unlocking the bootloader is one the of the first steps to running a custom ROM and really having some fun with your Android device, it’s heartening to see them focus on getting newer hardware opened up. Hopefully the floodgates will soon open, and we can start messing with our HTC toys with reckless abandon.
here is a section i took from their facebook post
Update on Bootloaders
by HTC on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 at 4:50pm
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
**UPDATE**
We’ve listened. Check out the statement from our CEO, Peter Chou on HTC bootloaders. Click the link for more info.
**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
**UPDATE 8/3/2011**
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work, and in particular why HTC's most recently released devices still have a locked bootloader. Rest assured we're making progress toward our goal to roll out the first software updates in August to support unlocking for the global HTC Sensation, followed soon by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.
So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.
We're excited to bring bootloader unlocking to developers and enthusiasts, and we feel this new Web tool will meet your needs and continue to provide customers with the best experience. Thanks to the community for supporting these efforts!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201270
Please help me in this. i need root apps and unlocking . coz i have no money etc ..... i need to root my device and want to install cm 12 on my device ....
Um... So do I. Do the research yourself, and spend time. This is so spam-like, and the research is ridiculous.
Yup.... Why motorola is treating customer like this. We paid u n that's it. I think they should provide unlock code for Droid mini as they do for others.
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Well, a few things. First off, if you are on android 4.4.4, there is no unlock for your bootloader. Next, there is a "free" rooting method, but based on what you have said thus far, I am going to go ahead and recommend against it. Motorola absolutely *SHOULD* provide bootloader unlock codes for any user not on contract, that wants one. The reason they do not is their agreement with Verizon Wireless stating specifically that they will not give unlock codes for Verizon devices that are not Developer Editions. Motorola phones that are supported are hard to come by, especially if you are a Verizon customer.
Personally, if your Mini is in good shape, (no scratches, dings, etc) i would sell it and hunt out another Mini or a Maxx on 4.4 on Ebay. (i have now done this successfully with a Mini and a Maxx) then you can (yeah, i know you don't like this part) pay $25 to get Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. Maybe that sounds like a lot of $$ for what it is. What i can say is a Dev edition of the Maxx (i know, i had a real one) is about $680 new. The retail version of the same phone was $550 or so. Even buying the phone from Motorola, you still paid more for Bootloader Unlock. I am old enough in the Android community to remember guys like Dan Rosenburg that never asked for $$, (or if you were insistant on paying, he asked you make a donation to charity), and also rooted every other device I have owned before the Mini for free. That used to be how it worked. Now, the only people interested are professionals who are literally spending time and money to find and utilize exploits. If you are really new, you should read up on security vulnerabilities, the qfuse system, and read up on the Azimuth Security blog and see what exactly was involved in the last run of bootloader unlocks. it isn't just someone playing code monkey and making a script. it is bricking (sometimes beyond all repair) $300-600 devices in an effort to make an unlock that might yield the money invested back.
As you said, and I live at the moment, you do not have money. This, my friend, sucks. I can say that in order to invest in my android devices, i have sold other things i cared about less (rare vinyls, extra devices, etc.) The reality is, $25 is not very hard to come up with if you are determined. Principally, at first glance, i disagreed with the premise of paying for what i feel should be an inherent feature of any android device, but when Motorola themselves say nothing will change the policy, I would much rather pay the money and know i am unlocked. google #unlockthedroids and you will see my names (kitcostantino, medicbeard, etc) a time or two...believe me i have tried. Motorola sells a crapload of devices to Verizon. Unfortunately, that means that Verizon (and also ATT) have too much clout and control over the Moto devices they sell for use on their networks.
The reality is, in the forseeable future, there will be less and less opportunity to unlock a retail device that is not a developer or pure edition. Security software checks and hardware gets better and better. the Devs that get through have a harder and harder time, and the knowledge is becoming more and more specific. I actually messaged DjrBliss on Hangouts to ask if he had any plans to work on the Turbo bl and he told me it was a stressful part of his life he was glad to be past. Honestly, he was so completely nice and cool about a total stranger contacting him, it blew me away. One of the most amazing exploit creators with ZERO pretentiousness, totally chill, and glad to talk to a fan (i have used his exploits on many of my phones). With dudes that capable not wanting to invest their time and efforts, we are left with mostly security experts to find our unlocks.(who can potentially make a crapload of money with their time and skillsets). Is $25 a lot compared to what these guys could be making? nope. but in all honesty, as I am inclined to do myself, I suggest you read up on anything Motorola related with regard to Qfuse, security checks, etc. The new age of exploits is upon us. The end user is going to have to be far more intelligent and far more comfortable doing things themselves to have control over their devices. In a way, it is a good thing because users that cannot do anything without a one-click or an app will be weeded out. In another way, it is horrible for android development, because those that do not have time, nor money to invest will get lost in the shuffle if they cannot buy a dev or unlockable device. I wish you the best man.
Can you guys learn to help instead of standing here complaining? For example, learn to deal with the All-PKG QHSUSB-DLOAD, download crap, be fearless and flash onto your device....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=KyDnN3_hAmA
do u have root for 4.4.4?
do u have root for 4.4.4?
kaifkhan15 said:
do u have root for 4.4.4?
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Yes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60085162
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kaifkhan15 said:
do u have root for 4.4.4?
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I use Kingroot to get my phone rooted. However, I failed to install TWRP by Flashify.
lwang9 said:
I use Kingroot to get my phone rooted. However, I failed to install TWRP by Flashify.
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You rooted your phone but your phone's bootloader was still locked.
damiloveu said:
You rooted your phone but your phone's bootloader was still locked.
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Im pretty sure he has an unlocked bootloader and then used kingoroot to Root.
method for 6-7.7
Hello, is it possible to get root for Droid mini with SU 6-7.7 somehow?
not as far as i know. not wp off full root at the very least. i have two droid maxx stuck on that same firmware with some success with temp root with kingroot, but reboot kills it. the newest firmware doesn't even do that.
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Nothing is updating.
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