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Multitouch.....?

Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........

http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-erics...i-touchless-forever-its-hardware-is-to-blame/
what about the opening two lines there?

Blowtoke said:
Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........
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Hope it's true!!

aDIsease said:
what about the opening two lines there?
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your news is older then his... its still up in the air

just wait. sony likes to say stuff thats incorrect
but i know that it will have multi because a screen like that wouldn't miss such a simple function.

I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.

kud0s said:
I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.
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i m wid you...
and it has been confirmed several times by sony representatives that it will NOT support multitouch..

if it has multitouch it would be nice, but it's not necessary, i like it both ways.
personaly i think it will be with 2.1 and that sony has it not tested yet with 2.1 running or at least the persons from sony that said it wont have MT because it cant work on android 1.6.
when it's rooted and running 2.1 we can see for ourself if it works or not

Multi touche
Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!

noblackthunder said:
Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!
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...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.

Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded

zerophrame said:
...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.

After having used my X10 for. the past week. I can honestly say that I have got used to the lack of multitouch. For some things it would be useful but not having it is (for me! ) no big issue.
I am looking forward to the long touch zoom that SE have demonstrated on Youtube though...
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this look real enough, though I really want to think that It's fake,but still, can't find anything wrong with it. probably real. we will soon know know it once the phone is rooted.
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Well... I've FW 16 (follow the debranding tutorial to get it too).
And I can promise you: no MT...
He just zooms in one direction.
This can also be done by tap + hold.
He's just doing it very fluently...

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3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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Don't know if people would buy more phones but they surely won't buy more sony ericsson. ;-)

Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Haha. It works, try it yourself in Google maps. But it's got nothing to do with MT, the reason why it looks real is because it interprets the pinch as a tap.
It doesn't work if you try to zoom out.
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saltorio said:
The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.
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Hmm...i see your point, i wonder if you see mine?
If the X10 has no MT, and you tell everyone the truth, then the company is ultimately going to lose customers because of the fact that the product is missing a feature.
By declaring that there IS MT, the organization is being deceitful...but...
If the device was truly lacking MT...the people that wanted MT wouldn't have looked at the X10 in the first place. Meaning that if MT users weren't the target market, SE wouldn't have cared if users suddenly didn't want their phone. By falsely declaring that the X10 has MT, you get the consumer associated with the brand and they get a bit of brand loyalty.
Additionally; What you end up seeing is that all of a sudden (prior to launch in many markets) you get significantly more buzz on the phone. People are typically simple and will respond to simply hearing it mentioned.
Customers that are promised MT and find out a year later that it isn't coming will be angry, but ultimately people will still buy the phone. Also, by having the additional 'rumour' of there being MT, people will buy the phone hoping that it will come out.
Another example;
In Canada; Lord of the Rings - BluRay; currently the set only has the theatrical version on it...everyone expected there to be both the extended AND theatrical versions on the discs. Many people buy the set, are unhappy, and write seething reviews online. What is the result? People are still buying it...all that extra press actually works in favour of the suppliers/producers.

The point is, that this phone was targeted at eur 699 and a multi touch capable touchscreen would only cost just a few bucks more.
They must have been completely nuts, if they wanted to save them.
Almost all capacitive touch phones of 2009 can do it.

i have a good feeling that x10 supports MT, android 1.6 does not support MT, wait till it's rooted or when SE brings 2.1 update. Played a bit with google maps and pinch to zoom worked for me but not perfectly, the fact that 1.6 does not support multitouch could be the prob. We can say a thousand times that it will suport MT or that it won't support MT... the question can only be answered trying 2.1 android
i tried with my rhodium's stylus to use the screen, it won't work, just like my hd2 (and that one also has MT, also the x10 has an capacitive screen so a big change MT could work)

X10 Multitouch and Android Update to 2.1

Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Store, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( in Germany ? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the Multitouch issue is not a hardware problem, it is more a patent problem and sony is waiting till things are cleared out.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, Andoid 2.1 could activate it, but sony could still lock the multitouch feature ( in their own ROM's of course ) if their staff thinks it is better than getting sued.
Kind regards
notimpyet

If it is true that the display supports MT, we will know it when it is possible to root out the X10, because we will be able to install him roms cooked with the activated multitouch.

You'll forgive us if we take this with a large helping of natrium chloride.

They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?

bavelb said:
They have successfully rooted the x10, but i haven't seen any MT addon. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.

Informative Post !
Bravo.
Currently we have only "cracked" the ROM and not the Bootloader. Therefore we still cannot proof MT-Capabilities.
Best regards
MoS-tekknix

Cinner said:
Sure, I will point you in the right direction: go to your favorite phone store, and buy an HTC Desire. Now you will have multitouch.
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BRAVO ! I dont want to be rude but it is really interesting how people can be amazingly stupid and ask that multitouch question every day and when they see that SE has said that there will be NO MULTITOUCH EVER ON X10 !!!!!!!!!!!!! they still ask day after...

What i would like to see is an implementation of the really nice one-finger-zoom! They obviously developed it, now gief us ze goodies!
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So some SE representative knows better than SE product manager Rikard Skogberg, who in a thread in their product blog said: "There's no multitouch in X10 – and I also can confirm that it's not only related to [software] but also to [hardware]".
Cant we just stop with these threads about something thats just not there... It would have been gr8, but its not there, and will never be. So stop these posts about it.....

They even said that for the Mini but the Mini is hardware capable as was seen.

Ok i give up Go and get all excited, but dont blame SE, if it turns out it doesnt support it...

se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!

im_iceman said:
se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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But the stupid...it hurts.

im_iceman said:
se_dude - Who's shown that the mini is h/w capable? I've not seen that?
Also regarding the MT questions on x10.. it's a bit like that film - Sixth Sense.. Except it's "I see stupid people".. they're everywhere.. we have get used to it!
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the mini uses a synaptics cleartouch, so it is definitely mt capable

http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/

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http://se-blog.com/exclusive-x10-mini-supports-multi-touch/
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Straight from the horses mouth, it does not support multitouch. It's supports dualtouch which technically isn't multitouch.

Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.

Hi Folks,
i had a Sony Ericsson representative in our Country, and what he could say was that the Android Update ( on Earth? ) comes on Q3 this year.
What he also said was that the phone can friggin' print money. It can produce and island and transform into an airplane and fly you there. And it can grant you 3 wishes which 1 of them can get you multitouch.
So the display IS Multitouch capable, but you'll have to wait for the wishing app to be activated.
Kind regards
notanotherwhineaboutnotmultitouch

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Well, the HTC desire uses the same display sensor.
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And that device doesn't fit the technical definition of multitouch either. The point is that SE is completely correct, from a technical standpoint, in stating that the X10 mini doesn't support multitouch.
Both the X10 and Desire support dualtouch which you can colloquially call multitouch but it's not multitouch according to the technical definition. So both SE and HTC are correct regarding their statement of multitouch suppport in their devices. HTC is correct from a layman's perspective whereas SE is correct from a technical point of view.
So people can bleet on all they want, SE is completely correct in stating that the X10 Mini does not support multitouch and no amount of angry mails and forumposts is going to change that.

I heard root activated the "Bad Touch", confirm/deny?
I've been single for a few months now, and I get lonely every now and then....

[Discussion]Possiblity of MultiTouch in X10-Unofficially !

I know many threads have been closed since SE has confirmed that there will be no multi touch .. but many say that is to evade the multi touch patent case... which is being filled against apple and other phone manufacturers
since we know that SE PR were making statements few months back that MT will be available through upcomming frimware .
so my question is
Can X10 really capable of MT hardware wise ?
Is there any possiblity that we might able to bring MT enabled through custom roms and drivers ?
Is there hard evidence that X10 is not capable of MT ?
If so what do we need to enable it ?
To Mods : please dont close this thread , as many are spamming other threads reagarding this issue, so let this one thread be there to discuss the possiblity

SE staffs confirmed many time that the X10 Hardware does not support MT, so there is no way x10 can have MT (official/ unofficial).

what about Dualtouch??

What about NEVER ?
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i read somewhere that someone ripped off the whole x10 and got a screen shot of the lcd.. can we confirm that the lcd hardware doesnt support mt ...
there are rumours that se wanted to evade the lawsuit for mt

To all the people saying there is no multitouch or dualtouch ever you must be plain stupid. You cant claim that! Even if SE said so. There is 80% chance that the screen is at least dualtouch since it was first said that there will be multitouch by SE and than than they changed their mind. Think about it i think they are trying to avoid lawsuit by apple. Also there is such old phones that have at least dualtouch and you think x10 doesnt. There is plenty information pointing towards the posibility of the x10 having dualtouch. SE claimed that the mini didnt have it but yet it does. There is some chineese guy at some other forum that claims he has 2. 1 on it and that in fact its dualtouch but apperantly he is on vacation now so i cant confirm it. Stop saying never cause u dont know! Also the devs found a driver in the system for it if i recall it corectly. There is big chance that there is thats that im saying.
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Also i could care less about mt or dt but i get fustrated when i see people saying stuff like" how bout never"
like i said im 80% sure that there will be mt or dt and i am willing to bet any of these guys saying no and never like they know for sure.
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Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself

Can i have a gun and two bullets (in case i miss first time?) please?
Now, seriously.
This is a question asked a million times until now...
Until custom ROMs will be in the wild nobody knows.
It might have MT/DT but is disabled in kernel.
Or as SE hardware is missing.
Just wait damn it... why every 2 days somebody should open a thread/write a post about MT and Froyo?

i know people should stop asking its frustrating every week someone posting questions for mt. no one knows so dont listen when people say yes or no for sure. but there is a good chance is all i can say.
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Is MT working already?

I dont know if u are trying to be funny or you are slow? Have you read the posts in the tread at all? This is why this kind of threads should be closed.
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Why is Mutli touch so important?
seriously, what other function you want with mutli-touch beside playing games?
Go get a PSP if you want "REAL" games. All those phone games are never as fun as any of the psp games.
I personally don't even care about MT unless you really need more then 1 finger to practice your mastebation on your x10. Just use your tongue.

Multitouch or not i just got my Rachael today and i didn't get it hoping that it will support MT in the future, i bought it cuz i absolutely love the phone. I've been following news about it since it was first released. But right now my problem is to unlock the phone. I've tried Mobileincanada but they couldn't unlock it how sad.

I would think Sony would be pretty shortsided to release this phone with some of the best specs on the market and no offer something similar to multitouch. i would not be surprised if we get something like it in the future.

cwepruk said:
I would think Sony would be pretty shortsided to release this phone with some of the best specs on the market and no offer something similar to multitouch. i would not be surprised if we get something like it in the future.
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Yes they have it worked out it called "one finger" zoom, way better than pinch. One Finger Zoom People should really get over it, really just a gimmick anyway I've had it on my Magic for almost 2 years. I think I've used it all of 4 times, double tap works way better and you don't have to use both hands.

Hey Naveen, nice to see you here. Well, we will know for sure as soon as Cyanogen (custom ROMs) are ready. But, I am not counting on getting multi-touch.
~ Indyan

i don't get it how can one finger zoom stack with other long press function?
personaly i still think pinch zoom is the best solution for zooming though i really use zoom rarely.
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I want multi touch not for games or zooming.. but more on accuracy of button presses. Even the edge of the screen where its plastic is sensitive to touch, so just a small part of your finger touching the screen makes the phone register a press. With MT it can could recognize that you arent trying to press there, that your initial finger in the middle is what you really are pressing. Im happy with my x10 generally, but I wouldnt mind having it

fonzthegreat said:
Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself
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I am wondering what is dual touch mean?

Sad news..,gingerbread for samsung galaxi family..

This news with hurt who buy xperia android phone.., very disappointed..., even galaxi mini with more cheaper than x8 will have gigngerbread from the official samsung.,what the hell with sony.., we only just eclair., never buy sony agains
androidos.in/2011/05/samsung-gingerbread-update-galaxy-s-ace-fit-gio-mini-tab/
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.

Drakenfall said:
Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...

fifo171 said:
i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...
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Why? well, if their competititors are launching the Ginger even in the low end phones, SE will be left behind in the competition, to keep up they should update theyre low end also.
Well, at least it´s a hope...not that they will.

these noob's from SE....
from today ONLY HTC, great smartphone's with great funcionality, for the same money...

Drakenfall said:
Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!

Asycid said:
No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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No, People already laugh at them cuz we use Custom GingerBread and is Pretty smooth...Stock ginger from SE should be even smoother, but they just won't release it

Asycid said:
No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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Soooo not true!!! Look at the members here at XDA. Most of us are running 2.2 or 2.3 ROMs smoothly. SE should think more before announcing these stuff.

Maybe I'm not wrote it understandable. I mean under my writing that SE can't change their mind because they stated a thing. I know we've got nice ROMs, but SE stated that it isn't possible... now if they make a 2.3 software, they'll just make ass from their mouth and this will not be good for their prestige.
I hope it is clear now what I'm thinking about, sorry for the inconveniences.
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That reminds me a situation that was something about 50 years ago. An guy from poland told that he can build computer that is smiliar size to case. Noone belived him and he made first small computer - K202. How much of them were produced? Only one. Comunist governement in poland send police to stop production and arest him.
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I change my mind.., this is a good news.., why dont we use this news to attack sony., if they have market strategi ,then we have customer strategi too., attack them with this news link in they forums.., and they other customer with see and with complain too.
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I hope that someone can port this (Clicky) to the X8
That new phone of SE is 2.3.

i really think that SE will change her minds again...at least here in my country we see loads of X8 for sale, or with discount to buy. It's good for them if the population buy their phones but they know already that noone will buy it at the moment if no upgrade for 2.3 is available.

i think that people who really want to wait for a official 2.3 rom from SE just need to wait till that marketing campaign of new xperia line ends. After that they will update all the other phones too. But till then they know that some people will get upset and buy one of the new xperias cause it has 2.3, hd, etc.

I hope that SE bring us some updates as far as the hardwares supports, by the way, I really appreciate the custom roms from devs, and shouldn´t change to stock ones

will sony support froyobread officialy ???

sony stop support for x8 forever or what?

Officially yes, sadly or not

Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony

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Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony
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don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$

Pff i dont need the official froyo. The froyos from our devs are a lot better even if SE will give us froyo i will stay with custom roms
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orangzeb said:
don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?

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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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i believe that sony developers have see this forum and said "ow great, i will stop developing software for x8" or said "ow great, i will fix the cm7's problem for x8, and release for official gingerbread x8"

It is a fact, that the custom ROMs made by the devs here are a lot better in any aspect, than that of sony... I just need to look at my battery gauge... with stock 1 day (if lucky) froyobread lasted for 3 days (and was still ar 25%) So I won't return to stock even if launched .
A more up to date kernel would be appreciated though

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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us

orangzeb said:
I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.

custom roms are lighted versions or originals.. useless stuff is deleted.. so that's good if talking about 2.2.. but about 2.3 dev's need to deal with camera and radio problems....(about radio,never mind )

orangzeb said:
I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .

spyder12345 said:
Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .
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+1 mate, look at my signature.
but I am planning to buy Xperia ARC as my last SE phone.

well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...

orangzeb said:
well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...
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Don't even mention Samsungs android phones... I've changed to X8 after Galaxy Spica... It really is horrible as stock, but far better with custom roms, but even because of the sh*tty drivers, kernels and everything, it is bad... But id had many buttons
I'm not disappointed in X8 (with custom rom of course, the stock s*cks like hell), with froyobread it is a very nice phone

i'm using froyobread and eclair 2.1 update 1 both ,

Exactly, with custom roms, who needs sony?, theyll probably forgot about the X8 and are working on the X16, I mean I just got the phone, SE lemme use it for a whole year, support it, update it, and then Ill think about changing it, but no, everyday new sh!t comes out!!!!

I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs

jkrauser2 said:
Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.
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Iam a die hard SE fan and i know they made some mistakes but new line up aint bad.i love Xperia ray

eagleeyetom said:
I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs
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I don't think it is because of that. Phone developers want to sell, that's why they release 1 update per phone, so that people keep buying the new ones