Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-erics...i-touchless-forever-its-hardware-is-to-blame/
what about the opening two lines there?
Blowtoke said:
Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........
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Hope it's true!!
aDIsease said:
what about the opening two lines there?
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your news is older then his... its still up in the air
just wait. sony likes to say stuff thats incorrect
but i know that it will have multi because a screen like that wouldn't miss such a simple function.
I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.
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I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.
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i m wid you...
and it has been confirmed several times by sony representatives that it will NOT support multitouch..
if it has multitouch it would be nice, but it's not necessary, i like it both ways.
personaly i think it will be with 2.1 and that sony has it not tested yet with 2.1 running or at least the persons from sony that said it wont have MT because it cant work on android 1.6.
when it's rooted and running 2.1 we can see for ourself if it works or not
Multi touche
Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!
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...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.
After having used my X10 for. the past week. I can honestly say that I have got used to the lack of multitouch. For some things it would be useful but not having it is (for me! ) no big issue.
I am looking forward to the long touch zoom that SE have demonstrated on Youtube though...
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this look real enough, though I really want to think that It's fake,but still, can't find anything wrong with it. probably real. we will soon know know it once the phone is rooted.
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Well... I've FW 16 (follow the debranding tutorial to get it too).
And I can promise you: no MT...
He just zooms in one direction.
This can also be done by tap + hold.
He's just doing it very fluently...
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3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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Don't know if people would buy more phones but they surely won't buy more sony ericsson. ;-)
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Haha. It works, try it yourself in Google maps. But it's got nothing to do with MT, the reason why it looks real is because it interprets the pinch as a tap.
It doesn't work if you try to zoom out.
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The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.
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Hmm...i see your point, i wonder if you see mine?
If the X10 has no MT, and you tell everyone the truth, then the company is ultimately going to lose customers because of the fact that the product is missing a feature.
By declaring that there IS MT, the organization is being deceitful...but...
If the device was truly lacking MT...the people that wanted MT wouldn't have looked at the X10 in the first place. Meaning that if MT users weren't the target market, SE wouldn't have cared if users suddenly didn't want their phone. By falsely declaring that the X10 has MT, you get the consumer associated with the brand and they get a bit of brand loyalty.
Additionally; What you end up seeing is that all of a sudden (prior to launch in many markets) you get significantly more buzz on the phone. People are typically simple and will respond to simply hearing it mentioned.
Customers that are promised MT and find out a year later that it isn't coming will be angry, but ultimately people will still buy the phone. Also, by having the additional 'rumour' of there being MT, people will buy the phone hoping that it will come out.
Another example;
In Canada; Lord of the Rings - BluRay; currently the set only has the theatrical version on it...everyone expected there to be both the extended AND theatrical versions on the discs. Many people buy the set, are unhappy, and write seething reviews online. What is the result? People are still buying it...all that extra press actually works in favour of the suppliers/producers.
The point is, that this phone was targeted at eur 699 and a multi touch capable touchscreen would only cost just a few bucks more.
They must have been completely nuts, if they wanted to save them.
Almost all capacitive touch phones of 2009 can do it.
i have a good feeling that x10 supports MT, android 1.6 does not support MT, wait till it's rooted or when SE brings 2.1 update. Played a bit with google maps and pinch to zoom worked for me but not perfectly, the fact that 1.6 does not support multitouch could be the prob. We can say a thousand times that it will suport MT or that it won't support MT... the question can only be answered trying 2.1 android
i tried with my rhodium's stylus to use the screen, it won't work, just like my hd2 (and that one also has MT, also the x10 has an capacitive screen so a big change MT could work)
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I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
hkfriends said:
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...
It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.
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I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me
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They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).
Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.
who cares?????>?
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who cares?????>?
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People playing games?
Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
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The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.
Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...
With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.
Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs
It works with google maps, check it out
forums.se-nse.net/topic/49197-the-x10-saga-episode-vi-the-return-of-multi-touch
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It works with google maps, check it out
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No it doesn't.
Rather than repeat the truth, I'll simply point you to the comments on the link you provided.
Is a little bug of google maps.
i would think bug or not it does show that its capable. i have tried and it is glitchy but has worked, st least the zooming in part
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I read somewhere around here that it only works for zooming in and that is due to the screen missreading the pinch gesture as a doubble tap. I would have liked pinch function in this phone but i guess it's true, you can't have it all.. Other then that it still seems like a really great peice of machine (still wating to get mine, 1-2 weeks left :'(.. )
well its a bug.. sum times it zooms even with one finger..
also it cannot zoomout....
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hey fanboys
http://phandroid.com/2010/04/21/xperia-x10-with-multi-touch-support-maybe-video/
[UPDATE]: In response to the speculation as to whether or not the X10 will ever receive multi-touch, Eric de Kort of Sony Ericsson gave this succinct statement:
“Multi-touch will not be a feature in future updates for the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 because the device does not support multi-touch due to her software and hardware configuration. The operation and user experience of the phone will be further improved and Sony Ericsson will come with her own intuitive way of, for example, zooming in and out.”
I guess that settles that once and for all.
Mod, please remove this thread, the video is a fake! I just did close examination of it. Their is no multi touch!
well video may not be fake.. i tried pinching on google maps and it did work.
but the fact is tht its not multi touch. neither the hardware nor 1.6 supports multitouch.. its a bug in maps tht recognised multitouch as double tap...
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There's nothing fake about that video, I can do the same with the application 'Rainy Days'.... But just because you can do something which looks like 'pinch and zoom' does not mean the phone has multi-touch, for one reason Android 1.6 does not support it, and the hardware screen of the X10 does not support it.... In regards to the video, why would you want to use two fingers when the appication allows you to do the same with one finger tip ?)
But it would be good if SE would not make us wait until September for their version of 'multitouch'....long hold zoom... which would suit me fine as I normally use my phone one-handed..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
So what is all this about.
Bloke
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/
So what is all this about.
Bloke
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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I guess we will just have to wait till its rooted and somebody sticks 2.1 on it
Bloke
...no need 'cause it ain't got it....
it worked for me but seems like it just confusing it as a quick tap. As for all the confusion about multi-touch. The only way we'll find out is by rooting it which might takes some time. We shouldn't take official news seriously, they hardly know what they're talking about. An example is that the new iphone 4.0 os with multi-tasking has been proven to work on older models of ipod touch and iphone while Apple claims it would only be available for the iphone 3gs.
I also been reading a lot about Sony using Clearpad Technology but haven't found anyone with proof. I know that Sony was working on their own multi-touch technology. Makes more sense that they will use their own technology.
Everyone has their own agenda, the SE officials claiming no multi-touch might be trying to prevent a lawsuit from Apple. The sales department claiming it does obviously wants you to buy the phone. Lets just wait....you can show your proof but quit arguing.
Google "Sony goes Multi-touch too" and you'll see a link from ubergizmos, and you'll see the japanese press conference about the multi touch technology.
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it worked for me but seems like it just confusing it as a quick tap. As for all the confusion about multi-touch. The only way we'll find out is by rooting it which might takes some time. We shouldn't take official news seriously, they hardly know what they're talking about.
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There is no confusion as the manufacturer has explained what the X10 will or will not do...
They are the ones who designed it and confirmed it doesn't have multitouch, so who is more qualified to report this ? Them or a mobile phone reseller who have a vested interested to sell the phones and Engadget who just report what others have said.... Or some bloke on Youtube pretending it does something it doesn't.
The X10 does not have multitouch ! After having had an X10 for a few weeks I am learning to live without it.
(BTW Sony and Sony Ericsson are not the same company)
I recently installed the HTC hero mod keyboard for my x10 and I don't even care about multi-touch no more. I suggest everyone to do the same, I'm typing way faster than I was on the iphone with less typos as well.
I'm not going to believe no one except when the root come. Manufacturer always claim what a product will do or not do. Examples include multitasking on older iphones, Video recording on older iphones, even Playstation 3 slim with no other os feature (The famous geohot believes it just a software switch).
The X10 might or might not have it. I think we should wait for proof from the consumers/hacker side before we make a statement.
Sony Ericsson is a joint company of Sony and Ericsson, Yes I know that but if you googled and read the article, you'll see that Sony had plans of implementing it into phones and not the mention that the technology was shown on an 3.5 inch display which were the standard were smartphones.
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This is a website listening to a third party reseller of the X10 and convienently ignoring the X10 product managers who actually designed and produced the thing.
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This is exactly it. They never should've published this unsubstantiated 3rd party rumor in the first place. SE had already stated the X10 was hardware MT incapable.
I'm curious... why are so many people so hung up on MT? Surely it isn't the pinnacle of "zooming in and out" technology?
Surely.. some creative whiz with a penchant for computer human interaction can beat it? I've seen a few "mono-touch" zooming options that work quite well.. dolphin browser long touch position sensitive "-"; "page"; "gesture; "+" system works a treat... if I had that for all zooming.. then I'd be very happy!
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I recently installed the HTC hero mod keyboard for my x10 and I don't even care about multi-touch no more. I suggest everyone to do the same, I'm typing way faster than I was on the iphone with less typos as well.
I'm not going to believe no one except when the root come. Manufacturer always claim what a product will do or not do. Examples include multitasking on older iphones, Video recording on older iphones, even Playstation 3 slim with no other os feature (The famous geohot believes it just a software switch).
The X10 might or might not have it. I think we should wait for proof from the consumers/hacker side before we make a statement.
Sony Ericsson is a joint company of Sony and Ericsson, Yes I know that but if you googled and read the article, you'll see that Sony had plans of implementing it into phones and not the mention that the technology was shown on an 3.5 inch display which were the standard were smartphones.
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Or you could just get Swype and ditch tradition text input all together.
Personally, I do not care one bit about multitouch. Not a big fan of it anyhow. Yes I have used it on my magic, and also have been frustrated by it equally as much. Knowing it will never come does no sway my happiness about this phone one bit.
I know many threads have been closed since SE has confirmed that there will be no multi touch .. but many say that is to evade the multi touch patent case... which is being filled against apple and other phone manufacturers
since we know that SE PR were making statements few months back that MT will be available through upcomming frimware .
so my question is
Can X10 really capable of MT hardware wise ?
Is there any possiblity that we might able to bring MT enabled through custom roms and drivers ?
Is there hard evidence that X10 is not capable of MT ?
If so what do we need to enable it ?
To Mods : please dont close this thread , as many are spamming other threads reagarding this issue, so let this one thread be there to discuss the possiblity
SE staffs confirmed many time that the X10 Hardware does not support MT, so there is no way x10 can have MT (official/ unofficial).
what about Dualtouch??
What about NEVER ?
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i read somewhere that someone ripped off the whole x10 and got a screen shot of the lcd.. can we confirm that the lcd hardware doesnt support mt ...
there are rumours that se wanted to evade the lawsuit for mt
To all the people saying there is no multitouch or dualtouch ever you must be plain stupid. You cant claim that! Even if SE said so. There is 80% chance that the screen is at least dualtouch since it was first said that there will be multitouch by SE and than than they changed their mind. Think about it i think they are trying to avoid lawsuit by apple. Also there is such old phones that have at least dualtouch and you think x10 doesnt. There is plenty information pointing towards the posibility of the x10 having dualtouch. SE claimed that the mini didnt have it but yet it does. There is some chineese guy at some other forum that claims he has 2. 1 on it and that in fact its dualtouch but apperantly he is on vacation now so i cant confirm it. Stop saying never cause u dont know! Also the devs found a driver in the system for it if i recall it corectly. There is big chance that there is thats that im saying.
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Also i could care less about mt or dt but i get fustrated when i see people saying stuff like" how bout never"
like i said im 80% sure that there will be mt or dt and i am willing to bet any of these guys saying no and never like they know for sure.
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Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself
Can i have a gun and two bullets (in case i miss first time?) please?
Now, seriously.
This is a question asked a million times until now...
Until custom ROMs will be in the wild nobody knows.
It might have MT/DT but is disabled in kernel.
Or as SE hardware is missing.
Just wait damn it... why every 2 days somebody should open a thread/write a post about MT and Froyo?
i know people should stop asking its frustrating every week someone posting questions for mt. no one knows so dont listen when people say yes or no for sure. but there is a good chance is all i can say.
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Is MT working already?
I dont know if u are trying to be funny or you are slow? Have you read the posts in the tread at all? This is why this kind of threads should be closed.
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Why is Mutli touch so important?
seriously, what other function you want with mutli-touch beside playing games?
Go get a PSP if you want "REAL" games. All those phone games are never as fun as any of the psp games.
I personally don't even care about MT unless you really need more then 1 finger to practice your mastebation on your x10. Just use your tongue.
Multitouch or not i just got my Rachael today and i didn't get it hoping that it will support MT in the future, i bought it cuz i absolutely love the phone. I've been following news about it since it was first released. But right now my problem is to unlock the phone. I've tried Mobileincanada but they couldn't unlock it how sad.
I would think Sony would be pretty shortsided to release this phone with some of the best specs on the market and no offer something similar to multitouch. i would not be surprised if we get something like it in the future.
cwepruk said:
I would think Sony would be pretty shortsided to release this phone with some of the best specs on the market and no offer something similar to multitouch. i would not be surprised if we get something like it in the future.
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Yes they have it worked out it called "one finger" zoom, way better than pinch. One Finger Zoom People should really get over it, really just a gimmick anyway I've had it on my Magic for almost 2 years. I think I've used it all of 4 times, double tap works way better and you don't have to use both hands.
Hey Naveen, nice to see you here. Well, we will know for sure as soon as Cyanogen (custom ROMs) are ready. But, I am not counting on getting multi-touch.
~ Indyan
i don't get it how can one finger zoom stack with other long press function?
personaly i still think pinch zoom is the best solution for zooming though i really use zoom rarely.
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I want multi touch not for games or zooming.. but more on accuracy of button presses. Even the edge of the screen where its plastic is sensitive to touch, so just a small part of your finger touching the screen makes the phone register a press. With MT it can could recognize that you arent trying to press there, that your initial finger in the middle is what you really are pressing. Im happy with my x10 generally, but I wouldnt mind having it
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Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself
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I am wondering what is dual touch mean?
here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
iead1 said:
Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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+1! I can understand the frustration, but don't get why people are selling their phones right now, that's just cutting your nose off to spite your face imo.
Well I got rid of mine because I've had enough of SE dragging their heels, I'm running 2.2 on my HD2 and its the best move I have made tbh.
I know SE already have my money, but I didn't see the point of sticking with something I wasn't happy with.
I know its only a phone at the end of the day and all the normal stuff worked, its just SE's policy on providing support, Ohh its ok the users who gave us there hard earned cash can wait for their update as we already have their cash.
I hope the devs can do somethin with the X10 as it is a cracking piece of kit and not worthy of running 1.6.
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Here's a thought:
Instead of venting on this board where X10 users and hobbyist developers gather to exchange ideas why not send a wellformulated email to something like SE sales or SE's customer services? Most of us here have no connection to SE other than owning one of their phones. Some of us don't even have a choice and couldn't switch if we wanted to.
Coming here to vent won't really do anything other than piss people off which is kind of counter-productive. Even if some here agree with your views there's not a lot we can do other than trying to do the best we can with what we got.
If you hope to accomplish something or even get SE to recognize your problems then the best way is really to write a proper message to SE explaining your stance. It's a long-shot but there's always a chance that they will listen to the critique and act on it.
*****ing to us X10 users helps no one, most of us don't even care and it just takes up your time.
Just create a thread for all these complainers about leaving their phone yada yada yada. Simple.
I agree, if you don't like then leave and join other forum for the phone you want.
Most phone manufacturers are concern about making money and that is business so no choice.
Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
ddewbofh said:
Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
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Yes, we like and love the phone not because it has updated OS but it is the phone hardware and specs which makes us attracted to it.
Even if the phone is updated with the latest OS like 2.2 or even 3.0 but the outlook of the phone don't look nice or the specs of the hardware is not advance, holding the phone don't makes us feel good as well.
It is the same like cars, even though your car is powerful but the design of the car do not look good, less people will buy it.
Just my sharing.
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here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
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xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
I'm seling my X10 to go for a Captivate.
I know the camera is worse, but at least the bootloader is already hacked so CM6 is the way to go.
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xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
iead1 said:
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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You're right. This board is for discussion. However, do they require a new thread each time?
Hmmm.. you guys obviously wouldn't care much assuming you don't donate to the board to help maintain it. I bet if you did you'd care much more about people who posts useless threads like this.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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I'm pretty sure all the features that were promised on the the box are working fine. Don't get confused with the ramblings you hear on the internet, they are the wants of users, not the promises of se.
I want features such as froyo, 16 million colours, flash etc. as much as anyone, but such things were never promised. And lack of 16 million colours isn't aproblem, you would be hard pressed to see the difference, unless you have a fascination with looking at colour gradients. And no multitouch, even though it has been denied as a feature countless times is a blessing. If there was multitouch you can say goodbye to using the phone one handed. Multitouch gestures are stupid, pointless and annoying.
So if you want to sell your phone, then godspeed to you. But please don't complain to other users that enjoy theirphone, just because you didn't research properly what this phone is capable of.
No offence intended, this is an open discussion and that is my point of view, if you can show evidence of broken promises then be my guest. Delay in 2.1 update doesn't count, release dates for software slip, its a fact of life. Deal with it.
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
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IMO a dogs backside could design something more attractive than a desire lol
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Why do some people think others care if they got a new phone LOL. I bet the honeymoon will last no more then a few weeks with their new device, then they will complain about some issues they have with it.
Sony has made some stupid moves IMO but whatever company you go to the situation will be the same. At most you will get one major update and some bugfix updates.
I blew off alot of steam about how the 2.1 update wouldn't even include 16m colors...I then got really pissed about SE delaying our 2.1 update til October. I for sure said some things out of anger....but one thing I remember clearly is that I ditched a Nexus One running 2.2 (froyo) for my X10. I loved my Nexus One, it was truly amazing....but something about the X10 pulled me to it. I find with my X10 I love it more and enjoy it much more than the Nexus One. That said, I know SE pissed alot of people off..including myself....but there's no need to ditch a phone that you know you loved because SE delayed the update. Honestly look at it this way, is your phone going to die? will it not live for another month until 2.1? will you die? can you just give your phone the chance of running 2.1 before you are so quick to judge....maybe just MAYBE!! SE are being secretive about something in the update...maybe not. But I have a damn good feeling when 2.1 drops to the X10 some people will be coming back to it....because SE will get there **** together and really deliver on this. If im wrong, then you can flame me. People have just a little more patience for the update.
just my two cents
NightSidew1nd3r;
So if you want to sell your phone said:
Well firstly he's not specifically aiming it at people who are happy with their phone, cox there are many who are unhappy.
And research properly before you buy?- like I replied to another SE fanboy on another thread, I bought my phone in March and SE did not make anything clear when phone releasing the phone- everything was rumours. And at that time all mobile phone sources were hinting an update to 2.1 before summer.
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This solidifies my view that SE and Samsung are the only two mobile companies I can trust. That said, you never know...no one is 100% safe.
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toinkzzzz. what a evil company..
ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION Allows an application to access coarse (e.g., Cell-ID, WiFi) location
ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION Allows an application to access fine (e.g., GPS) location
ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS Allows an application to access extra location provider commands
ACCESS_WIFI_STATE Allows applications to access information about Wi-Fi networks
BATTERY_STATS Allows an application to collect battery statistics
DUMP Allows an application to retrieve state dump information from system services.
GET_ACCOUNTS Allows access to the list of accounts in the Accounts Service
GET_PACKAGE_SIZE Allows an application to find out the space used by any package.
GET_TASKS Allows an application to get information about the currently or recently running tasks: a thumbnail representation of the tasks, what activities are running in it, etc.
READ_LOGS Allows an application to read the low-level system log files.
READ_SYNC_SETTINGS Allows applications to read the sync settings
READ_SYNC_STATS Allows applications to read the sync stats
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thats what the hack does .
is any of that worrying ? i dont care if some one finds out my gmail syncs every 15 min or if they now i have recharged my battery 500 times so far? or what cell phone tower or wi-fi im connected to?
like trying to over blow something much? problem yes but not the end of the world
I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
I dont think thats the problem.
I think if HTC can do it somebody else can read out the phone's also.
Like passwords en other information.
There is a service on the phone where if you lose your phone you can remote locate it and wipe it.
I'd say these "apps" have something to do with that.
That's not what this app is for, it's specifically for HTC to get log information, probably for either remote support of their devices or when people send them to service centres. The problem with this is that they have left the whole interface totally open to any person or app that fancies having a look and gathering user data which probably will be sensitive.
Not at least securing it with basic authentication is just plain stupid. Although it would have to be more advanced than a simple user/pass.
Surprised that they haven't been taken to court on data protection issues. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see that coming fairly soon.
All they needed to do, would be to secure this app properly and encrypt the data its logging and they woulld be safe.
Sounds to me like the htc developers were told to implement it and had a very short turnaround to get it into the latest release. Hoping once again for obscurity, which in an open source project is daft!
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I'm not denying this is bad, but I hardly think se is "trustworthy" with their amazing support track record... Lol
Oh we just put out a phone two months ago and we don't feel like updating it any more, so we won't!
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Stop living in 2010...SE are a different company. In fact, they gave GB to the 1.5 year old X10 and they are supporting all new 2011 Xperias. Yes SE made a mistake but people learn from their mistakes and SE did.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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Haha we'll see...
I bet x10 mini owners wouldn't agree with you.
They've been doing this same stuff for years.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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That counts as 2010. All the original X10 branded devices and the X8. The new 2011 lineup has been maintained pretty well.
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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So then it is ok for them not to correct that mistake?
Not doing anything about it is supposed to be evidence of changing?
Sorry but I don't get that..
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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They are...just with the 2011 Xperia range. Why would they update such an 'old' phone? There's no reason to. The X10 they did because it was their flagship, the others were their sideline devices. Do I agree with them for not updating? No. But updating right now is kind of pointless...
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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Lol
This kind of logic is pretty ridiculous IMO, and only leads to more "well they didn't upgrade the Neo because it isn't the arc", etc..
They should upgrade to keep customers as customers...
There are reasons they are doing pretty horribly, they don't have a very good reputation.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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The phones are a year old...even HTC cut off support for the Desire, etc.
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when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
scoobysnacks said:
when they released it was already behind on 1.6..
Then they catch up (not even really) and turn around and stop updating..
I don't think se have proven to be trustworthy at all actually.
Like I said, we'll see.
The whole arc housing cracking and se refusing to take any responsibility doesn't show me a changed company either
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
Lol guys.
Iridaki was right lol scoobysnacks now thinks that buying this Sony Ericsson phone was a bad mistake lol
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Since you're a SE hater even if they do take responsibility, you'll just complain again & say things like it's not genuine & they're doing it just to stay afloat... , Any company have its problems & dunno why you just bash SE, Motorola phones are locked down, HTC well this topic and not to mention their desire gb update , Samsung is doing good but even their best phone which is your favorite sg2 had problems like that yellow thing in screen like someone pissed under the lcd hehe so don't just bash SE and X10 for the sake of it
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whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
I do agree on some points with scooby, they have had a long history of sell it and forget it. But, they do seem to finally be realising that having great and stylish devices (even if the hardware has been a little okish instead of groundbreaking recently) isn't enough and they need to keep devices up to date and to engage with their customers.
You can tell they are changing with the single biggest thing they have done recently and supporting the FXP team with the tools to get full functions from their devices.
I know that doesn't help with us who have older devices, but by supporting FXP they are indirectly supporting the "other" 2010 models just in effect outsourcing the upkeep and ongoing development to the community who will support the devices until they are not in such widespread use.
scoobysnacks said:
whatever you want to think, i'm not a hater, i'm just not a fanboy either.
I have owned many brands of phones, but I felt the worst treatment from se.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to you're own as well. No need to get personal..
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why personal? because I said you're a SE hater? you mean you aren't? I don't want to get personal or offend you, I just stated what I observed from reading your posts after you switched from X10, I bet you liked your X10 when you had it but know that you're moved to a better phone no need to use every single opportunity to bash SE & X10, Every time anyone says anything good about X10 you jump in with your "yeah, right, lol" attitude & try to make fun & bash SE & X10, I'm not a fanboy nor do I think it's the best phone out there & you have the right to express your opinion but you're trying hard to convince everyone here that SE & X10 is ****, Well I think most of us don't agree that it's **** & terrible & most of us know about its problems but like the phone & don't feel really good about just pointing out its cons over & over again
as for companies well imo none of them are really trustworthy, they're doing business & do it for money, None of them are charity or anything, so better to just judge them base on what they do & not why they do it