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I bought a Xoom in the US last week and am extremely satisfied with it.
However, it appears I can't use the 3G functionality of the Xoom in The Netherlands (where I live), because the European/Dutch Vodafone 3G system is different from Verizon's (HSPDA vs. EVDO). 4G LTE will become available in Europe in about one year, so that's not an option...
From what I understood, this is a hardware issue that cannot be fixed by a software modification.
My question is pretty simple: as I would really hate to return my Xoom to BestBuy... Do you think it'd be possible in a few months, when the Motorola Xoom becomes available in Europe, to have my (US) Xoom hardware-modified to fit the European 3G-standard? And would that be costly?
Thanks
Martijn77 said:
I bought a Xoom in the US last week and am extremely satisfied with it.
However, it appears I can't use the 3G functionality of the Xoom in The Netherlands (where I live), because the European/Dutch Vodafone 3G system is different from Verizon's (HSPDA vs. EVDO). 4G LTE will become available in Europe in about one year, so that's not an option...
From what I understood, this is a hardware issue that cannot be fixed by a software modification.
My question is pretty simple: as I would really hate to return my Xoom to BestBuy... Do you think it'd be possible in a few months, when the Motorola Xoom becomes available in Europe, to have my (US) Xoom hardware-modified to fit the European 3G-standard? And would that be costly?
Thanks
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Just sell the one you have and buy a new one on contract since you need to use the 3G.
I would like that, but the Xoom won't make it's way to The Netherlands very soon, while Motorola has no official import in our country (as far as I know).
No, this won't work. The chipset in the Xoom is for CDMA. Almost all of Europe's major 3G coverage/carriers are GSM, which has a different chipset.
Just pickup the GSM Euro version when it comes out. I believe preorders are already up in some countries if I'm not mistaken.
Oke, then that's what I'll do... Thanks all!
the UK and germany have the euro version of the xoom out next month.
already seen some adds of the UK version beeing simlock free .. dont know if the german version will be simlock free.
if their simlock free it doesnt matter where you get them since you can change the language on the xoom to your local language or to english
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The chipset in the Xoom is for CDMA.
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R U sure? iFixit state Qualcomm MDM6600 in their teardown, and that is http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...nces-commercial-availability-gobi3000-modules As said there, "The Gobi 3000 reference design is based on Qualcomm’s MDM6200™ and MDM6600™ chipsets, both of which can provide support for HSPA+ data rates of up to 14.4 Mbps. The MDM6600 also supports CDMA2000® 1xEV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B". So CDMA is an additional capability? Am I wrong?
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R U sure? iFixit state Qualcomm MDM6600 in their teardown, and that is http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...nces-commercial-availability-gobi3000-modules As said there, "The Gobi 3000 reference design is based on Qualcomm’s MDM6200™ and MDM6600™ chipsets, both of which can provide support for HSPA+ data rates of up to 14.4 Mbps. The MDM6600 also supports CDMA2000® 1xEV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B". So CDMA is an additional capability? Am I wrong?
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Yes you are right. That is the chipset. But only the CDMA is enabled. Just because the chipset is theoretically capable when it leaves Qualcomm, doesn't mean it isn't made to be used for CDMA when its put into the Xoom. It was covered in several of the threads when the iFixIt teardown came out.
Even then, there isn't even a place to put a non-LTE SIM card into the device, how would it work? From my understanding, LTE SIM cards are different (and different sized), and it wouldn't necessarily be compatible with normal SIM cards.
The amount of hackery required to get this to potentially work on a GSM carrier isn't worth it. Its much easier to just get the GSM version coming out in Europe if you're gonna use in Europe. Because of the fact that there is GSM versions of the Xoom, I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually saw it on GSM carriers here, but that depends on the deal Verizon has with Motorola.
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Even then, there isn't even a place to put a non-LTE SIM card into the device, how would it work? From my understanding, LTE SIM cards are different (and different sized), and it wouldn't necessarily be compatible with normal SIM cards.
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I didn't hold it up to compare, but the plastic insert for where the LTE SIM card will go looks very similar in size to my SIM card I had when I was on AT&T. I know they're starting to move toward MicroSIM cards, but this LTE slot looked the same (if not very close) size as regular SIM cards.
I doubt sticking a SIM Card in there would allow it to work on a GSM network though. Perhaps the LTE SIM is thicker/thinner than a regular one. I have no idea.
In principle, yes. The LTE chipset is supposed to come in mini PCI-e format and go into the Xoom at that currently blank slot. IF this was a PC, you could get a PCI-e HSPA card, install appropriate driver and maybe some tweaks here and there to make it running. The problem is, there is not a PC. No one knows what network cards would work with the Xoom, and there is probably no driver that works with it. Heck, that PCI-e slot is probably not even working right now, considering the fact that even something as simple as the SD card slot is not working.
I am almost in a similar situation. I got a Xoom and then found out I would be traveling shortly after. I just thought to return but then by a stroke of seriously bad luck i dropped it and made two small very superficial scratches/dents to the aluminum shell. Now best buy will not accept it.
The country I am going to has at least two CDMA carriers but of course I am locked to Verizon. I am willing to go for either a "legal" unlock from Verizon (if that is even possible, I dont expect much mercy from them), or even better - the miracle of being able to use the deactivated GSM functionality of the Xoom.
If anyone has any advice on either of these possibilities, please let me know.
If flashed with 3g rom Mobile Network Activation is available as an option. I've tried my 3G BB card, activation failed, but my sip was non working after, needed to reboot BB twice, to pick up a signal. So, from my humble observation everything is there, but disabled to compete with iPad2 in terms of price
iFixit! We need a wifi XOOM teardown.
XOOM'd from the XDA app.
3G ROM is CDMA, which doesn't use SIM cards (the Xoom 3G SIM is for the as-yet-uninstalled LTE radio), so I'm not quite sure this means anything (it was going to fail in any case).
does it mean the WIFI version in principle can still be upgraded to support LTE?
I've wondered about that, too. Seems to me that once the ROM post-upgrade gets leaked, then anyone who buys that LTE Mini-PCI card and is comptent with a Torx-5 bit should be able to subscribe to an LTE plan from VZ and get the SIM from them.
...O wait it says so in the title
You sure you aren't mistaking that for microSD?
I know right? it sounds pretty careless of them to leave it there, instead of going with a completely different motherboard.
I hardly beleive that any company will leave silicon/parts in a device to then sell it cheaper? It just doesn't make any sense, you don't see a Biturbo BMW with its biturbo disabled and then sold for less... just the turbo parts cost a lot why would they not charge you while you still receive the same? might as well give you a scooter for free don't you think.
Production is well cheaper nowdays that's why most companys can have 5 different revisions of the same device with different configurations, hence GSM, CDMA, wifi only, 16gb 32gb, etc. they save a lot more making what they need and not making a full device then criple it down to "cut cost" that's just illogical..
No, There are 2 slots under the cover...
My knowledge in this are is very limited, but during mobile network activation (the icon stated 3g), and after couple of attempts sim was locked (which is impossible if it was blank, leftover slot). But I might be totally wrong...
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and after couple of attempts sim was locked (which is impossible if it was blank, leftover slot)
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The SIM-card reader is connected (most likely to a serial port on the Tegra chip). The actual LTE radio Mini-PCI card is not in there, however (we have to send it in for upgrade).
I'm surprised there's code that's actually touching the SIM, however- but one thing to consider is the QD6600 radio that's used for CDMA data can also do GSM/UMTS data as well (but needs a different modem SW and some different antenna-interface hardware).
The wifi zoom could potentially retain its 4g sim slot because it was paired with the flash memory slot. I would bet that it doesn't have the radio for cdma/GSM/lte/etc. It is highly unlikely due to the cost of just the multi-functional radio chips that power the slots ;-)
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The WIFI Xoom definitely has a SIM slot
And if you think that 800 price tag is for a radio chip you are mistaken. the whole 3g version doesn't cost $400 max.
Then whats it for if not a 3G radio?
The Wifi Xoom is not the same as the verizon one. I have already removed the back cover and its a different mainboard. All the 4g/3g stuff has been removed. Sorry guys..
James
cj10488 said:
The Wifi Xoom is not the same as the verizon one. I have already removed the back cover and its a different mainboard. All the 4g/3g stuff has been removed. Sorry guys..
James
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Does it still have a mini-pcie slot? Could you post a pic?
This has absolutely nothing to do with development. Please post in the correct section.
No it did not and no I didn't grab a pic. It's just bare magnesium where the pcie slot would be
Besides the lack of radio I'm sure there's a lack of required antennas for any cellular radio to work.
After reading many posts about using SIM cards I was wondering if I could use my T-Mobile Hot Spot SIM card in a 6800? Has anyone used a T-Mobile SIM in their 6800?
I bought the 6810 thinking I would just use the Hot Spot to connect when taveling.
Now I may have some buyer's remorse that I didn't get the 6800 and insert the SIM from the Hot Spot thus only having to carry only one device and not two.
Otherwise I love the 6810 WiFi only.
My Hot Spot is a pay as you go plan so I buy a data plan when/if I need it
Mine is the HK version from Negri.
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After reading many posts about using SIM cards I was wondering if I could use my T-Mobile Hot Spot SIM card in a 6810? Has anyone used a T-Mobile SIM in their 6810?
I bought the 6800 thinking I would just use the Hot Spot to connect when taveling.
Now I may have some buyer's remorse that I didn't get the 6810 and insert the SIM from the Hot Spot thus only having to carry only one device and not two.
Otherwise I love the 6800 WiFi only.
My Hot Spot is a pay as you go plan so I buy a data plan when/if I need it
Mine is the HK version from Negri.
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OK, this post was really confusing...
Let's start over. The P6810 is the Wifi only model and the P6800 is the 3G model.
Which one did you buy, and what is your question/issue?
DuhDroid said:
After reading many posts about using SIM cards I was wondering if I could use my T-Mobile Hot Spot SIM card in a 6810? Has anyone used a T-Mobile SIM in their 6810?
I bought the 6800 thinking I would just use the Hot Spot to connect when taveling.
Now I may have some buyer's remorse that I didn't get the 6810 and insert the SIM from the Hot Spot thus only having to carry only one device and not two.
Otherwise I love the 6800 WiFi only.
My Hot Spot is a pay as you go plan so I buy a data plan when/if I need it
Mine is the HK version from Negri.
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So you have the 6800? That's the model that has a cell radio (and a SIM slot). The 6810 is WiFi only and you can't use that with a SIM card.
At any rate, you're probably not going to get anymore than 200 Kbps speeds on T-Mobile with the 6800.
Are you just lamenting that you paid more for the 6800 since you don't use the SIM card with it? What is the issue here?
"Jade Eyed Wolf: OK, this post was really confusing...
Let's start over. The P6810 is the Wifi only model and the P6800 is the 3G model"
Duh.....my bad.....I OWN a 6810 WiFi only. I just wanted to know if someone has used a T-Moblie SIM card in the 6800 3G.
Sorry bout that. I have made the numerical correction to my original post.
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"Jade Eyed Wolf: OK, this post was really confusing...
Let's start over. The P6810 is the Wifi only model and the P6800 is the 3G model"
Duh.....my bad.....I OWN a 6810 WiFi only. I just wanted to know if someone has used a T-Moblie SIM card in the 6800 3G.
Sorry bout that. I have made the numerical correction to my original post.
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OK, that makes more sense.
To answer your question, yes, you can use your data-only T-Mobile SIM card in a P6800 with no issues. However, due to the hardware in the P6800, you won't be able to take advantage of T-Mobile 3G; you'll most likely be stuck on EDGE, which is much slower. T-Mobile uses 1700mhz AWS for its 3G service in most of America, and the P6800 does not support this frequency band, unfortunately. However, some T-Mobile users on the west coast have been reporting that T-Mobile is starting to roll out 1900mhz 3G service in certain areas. The P6800 does support this frequency, and thus you would get T-Mobile 3G service if you happen to be in one of those areas.
One suggestion I would make, considering that you are a pay-as-you-go customer, is this:
If you ever wanted to trade your P6810 for a P6800 instead, AT&T GoPhone offers a $50/month pay-as-you-go plan with unlimited everything (texts, MMS, voice, data); the whole kit and kabootle. AT&T's network is fully compatible with the 3G 7.7
If you had this, and especially if you use Google Voice, people could call or text one number (your Google Voice number), and you could get everything on both your tablet AND your phone simultaneously.
Food for thought
Alternatively, if you're happy with your P6810 as it is, you can always just tether to your phone for data access on the go. Additionaly, assuming your phone is an Android device, I would highly recommend an app called Tablet Talk. With this app, you can synchronize, over Bluetooth or wifi, all your SMS between phone and tablet. Basically, in real time, as soon as you receive a message on your phone, you can read and respond to it on your tablet. Also, the phone keeps a log of any SMS you make from your tablet in its own native SMS app as if you had responded right from your phone. Pretty nifty stuff! Oh, and it also shows caller ID on your tablet when someone calls too! Totally worth the purchase!
Hope this has helped!
Awesome! Yeah that is the info I was looking for. Now I don't feel so bad about my 6810 purchase...I am on the east coast so wouldn't want to have to deal with being on the EDGE.
BIG THANKS!!
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Awesome! Yeah that is the info I was looking for. Now I don't feel so bad about my 6810 purchase...I am on the east coast so wouldn't want to have to deal with being on the EDGE.
BIG THANKS!!
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Sure thing man! Hey, looks like you're just across the river in DC there. PM me if you wanna grab a beer sometime!
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However, due to the hardware in the P6800, you won't be able to take advantage of T-Mobile 3G; you'll most likely be stuck on EDGE, which is much slower. T-Mobile uses 1700mhz AWS for its 3G service in most of America, and the P6800 does not support this frequency band, unfortunately.
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Hey, let's revisit this because now that the Samsung Note is working on T-Mobile's 3G/4G USA perhaps the hardware is capable of doing such since the Note was originally thought to NOT support the 1700 frequency bands.
Could someone try flashing the same modem.bin's that enabled 3G/4G on the Galaxy Note on their Galaxy Tab 7.7?
Please, please, please try. Hopefully no boot loops or stuff like that happens. But, don't hold me responsible for any troubles it may cause. Here's the link to the Samsung Note hack for T-Mobile 3G/4G:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1521755
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Hey, let's revisit this because now that the Samsung Note is working on T-Mobile's 3G/4G USA perhaps the hardware is capable of doing such since the Note was originally thought to NOT support the 1700 frequency bands.
Could someone try flashing the same modem.bin's that enabled 3G/4G on the Galaxy Note on their Galaxy Tab 7.7?
Please, please, please try. Hopefully no boot loops or stuff like that happens. But, don't hold me responsible for any troubles it may cause. Here's the link to the Samsung Note hack for T-Mobile 3G/4G:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1521755
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That's the LTE Note (I717), not the original Note (N7000). The N7000 has the same SoC and frequency bands--and presumably identical cellular hardware--as the P6800. The I717 has a Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC with integrated baseband that does support pentaband UMTS in hardware, and there are alternative radios that support AWS, sourced from the T989 (T-Mobile US GS2). Nobody has ever found a radio that works on the N7000 that supports AWS however, so even if the hardware does have the support (which is unlikely), it can't be exposed.
Thanks Teiglin! That is an answer that had eluded me with all of the articles I have read. Geesh I'm frustrated but at least that makes more sense now. I just want to get a larger than 4.5" screen device like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0" that I'm using now. Of course, it needs to be able to make phone calls and work on the TMobile USA network.
I have the SGNexus from verizon with LTE and the phone has a uSIM card in it. I just picked up the SGTab 7.7 last night but did not activate (bought outright).
So, I may wish to use the uSIM card in the tab but am aware that there are things the carriers look for to prevent this and I'd like to prevent them from screwing me. Again, I don't expect to do this much but would like the OPTION of doing so.
What do I need to do and not do to use the uSIM from my SGNexus in my SGTab 7.7?
Thanks,
Brian
So this is the VZW Tab 7.7? I was assuming they would bake the SIM into the tab to prevent exactly what you want to do, but I haven't actually seen one yet. In the P6800, there is a SIM slot along the same side as the microSD slot--does your tab have a SIM slot? If not, you won't be able to switch for sure. If there is a full-size SIM slot, you just need an adapter, which is easy to get or make (can probably get one for like $1 on ebay).
Also, I wouldn't expect VZW to allow your phone SIM to work on a tablet in any case. Even if you could put the SIM in, VZW will know from the IMEI that you are using a tablet and (I assume) force you to change plans or whatever.
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So this is the VZW Tab 7.7? I was assuming they would bake the SIM into the tab to prevent exactly what you want to do, but I haven't actually seen one yet. In the P6800, there is a SIM slot along the same side as the microSD slot--does your tab have a SIM slot? If not, you won't be able to switch for sure. If there is a full-size SIM slot, you just need an adapter, which is easy to get or make (can probably get one for like $1 on ebay).
Also, I wouldn't expect VZW to allow your phone SIM to work on a tablet in any case. Even if you could put the SIM in, VZW will know from the IMEI that you are using a tablet and (I assume) force you to change plans or whatever.
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At 5:10 of this silly unboxing video the SIM slot is in view.
http://www.androidauthority.com/verizon-samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-lte-unboxing-59081/
I didn't think they would have an open SIM slot on the Verizon unit either, but maybe it has the capability of being unlocked?
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At 5:10 of this silly unboxing video the SIM slot is in view.
http://www.androidauthority.com/verizon-samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-lte-unboxing-59081/
I didn't think they would have an open SIM slot on the Verizon unit either, but maybe it has the capability of being unlocked?
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Interesting. So yeah, OP: go get a SIM adapter, plug in your SIM, and see what Verizon says to you! Good luck.
Before I go that route I'd like to make sure I avoid anything that would give me away. I'm not sure that's possible but since there are a lot of smart folks on this board I'll wait a bit to give it a shot.
I think the thing I'd most likely use it for is in-car navigation on the longer trips. I have the Verizon SGNexus with LTE and I have the hotspot option so I could use it in that mode to drive the navigation on the tab so maybe swapping in the SIM wouldn't be that big a deal.
Still, it would be nice to have the option...
Brian
Raptor1956 said:
Before I go that route I'd like to make sure I avoid anything that would give me away. I'm not sure that's possible but since there are a lot of smart folks on this board I'll wait a bit to give it a shot.
I think the thing I'd most likely use it for is in-car navigation on the longer trips. I have the Verizon SGNexus with LTE and I have the hotspot option so I could use it in that mode to drive the navigation on the tab so maybe swapping in the SIM wouldn't be that big a deal.
Still, it would be nice to have the option...
Brian
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It's not possible to hide the fact that you're using a tab 7.7 from Verizon unless you're willing to try to change your IMEI (and messing with /efs is pretty dangerous). I'm not saying it's totally impossible, but it'd be difficult at the very least. As you say, there are a lot of smart people here, so maybe someone will work out a way--but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still, no way to know if it'll work unless you try it.
Personally, I bought the wifi version because tethering to a phone is easy and a lot cheaper--save $100 at the start, plus no second data plan at absurd US carriers' prices. I think many of the people who bought the international 3G version were thinking the same as you--they can swap their phone SIM in if they want. However, the unlocked version identifies on the network just like any phone, unlike the Verzion version, which is locked down by Verizon and doesn't even ship with phone software.
I toyed with the idea of importing a wifi only version but decided I didn't want to lose the next door support if I have a problem so I went with Verizon and so far as I can tell they will only offer the LTE version. If putting my phone SIM in it is not going to work or work for long then it will be just a wifi only version albeit about $100 more expensive. I think I could reclaim some of the difference on resell though...
I really hope ICS is coming soon as I don't much like HC...
Brian
Forgive my ignorance guys but what is this verizon with LTE?
I am not in the U.S., for me the P6800 model works with a normal GSM SIM or 3G SIM out of the box.
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Forgive my ignorance guys but what is this verizon with LTE?
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Verizon is a US carrier that does not use GSM. The Verizon version of the GT7.7 has different hardware then the standard GT7.7 and it is unclear if you can just swap the Verizon LTE sim from one Verizon device to their GT7.7 and have full functionality.
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Verizon is a US carrier that does not use GSM. The Verizon version of the GT7.7 has different hardware then the standard GT7.7 and it is unclear if you can just swap the Verizon LTE sim from one Verizon device to their GT7.7 and have full functionality.
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LTE is the reason why a simcard is utilized. I'm pretty certain that rest of the cdma/evd0 doesn't utilize the simcard
Ever since my Samsung Rugby Smart... broke (don't ask how)... I have been on the hunt for a different rugged Android that comes with a relatively low price tag that supports T-Mobile either natively or through carrier unlocking. Recently the Kyocera Torque caught my eye at a Sprint store. The specifications of the phone were pleasing to me, and I saw listed on sites like eBay that a used condition Torque would be going for around 70-80 bucks. While talking to a Spint representative, pretending I was actually going to buy the phone and/or a Sprint plan, I asked him if the Torque had a SIM card slot and if it was compatible with GSM networks, such as T-Mobile (my actual carrier). He confidently gave a YES to both of my questions (he also said that in order for the phone to become unlocked, I'd need to use Sprint for 2 years and then cancel the plan and request phone unlock-age through them. No way I am getting Sprint for 2 years just for a Torque to be unlocked. Besides, there are unlocking websites which claim they will unlock this phone. Also, he probably assumed I was going to buy the phone from Sprint themselves. No way I'd ever do that! XD )
Here's where the confusion comes in. When I look online at phone specification websites like GSMArena, it states that the phone is NOT COMPATIBLE with GSM networks, and has a NON-REMOVABLE SIM card.
I am getting two different answers and I don't know which one to believe. If anyone knows the TRUE answer to this SIM card slot and GSM network compatibility conundrum, I would appreciate that they share the answer. I am excited about this phone, and if it really does support USA domestic GSM networks and all that, then I'd be buying this phone very soon.
Oh, and one more thing. Besides compatibility with GSM Networks, if this phone does support GSM, I'd also like to know if it supports high-speed data such as GPRS, HSPA, or anything like that. I have an HTC Rezound right now, and while it does support GSM Networks, it only gets 2G (EDGE) through T-Mobile. So support of 3G, and possibly beyond that, is another main factor that I would like to know about the Kyocera Torque, as it is actually one of the main reasons why I'm looking for an upgrade.
interesting
I talked to the Sprint guy again, and he took the phone apart and showed me the SIM slot. It was a Micro SIM I believe (the size right below Mini). The guy said it would work on international GSM networks, but if it was fitted with a SIM card for a United States GSM network, it would just say the phone is network-locked.
I guess the question is now this: is there a hack to "allow" or "force" the Torque to work with US GSM networks, similar to the hack for the Motorola Photon 4G (another phone I am looking into buying) that allows it to do just that?
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I guess the question is now this: is there a hack to "allow" or "force" the Torque to work with US GSM networks, similar to the hack for the Motorola Photon 4G (another phone I am looking into buying) that allows it to do just that?
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nope. and best to just avoid kyocera phones completely. kyocera is a turd of a company. they lock down the bootloader and never issue major updates. for example, the torque won't ever see kitkat. and since they lock the bootloader, you can't install a custom recovery, or a 3rd party rom.
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nope. and best to just avoid kyocera phones completely. kyocera is a turd of a company. they lock down the bootloader and never issue major updates. for example, the torque won't ever see kitkat. and since they lock the bootloader, you can't install a custom recovery, or a 3rd party rom.
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Thanks for the heads up about Kyocera being a locked bootloader turd of a company XD. Now I'll be sure to avoid them in the future. No longer interested in the Hydro Life anyway, got an LG L90 for $48 and have CM11 on it already
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Interesting thing about the torque, it is one of sprints few water resistant phones, and also has the loudest speaker phone they make in my opinion. I just bought one as a spare phone for $50. Great to keep by the pool.
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Interesting thing about the torque, it is one of sprints few water resistant phones, and also has the loudest speaker phone they make in my opinion. I just bought one as a spare phone for $50. Great to keep by the pool.
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yeah, it is a nice phone... except for their stubbornness about completely locking the device down. if they would actually make an effort to keep their phones updated i would not complain about it too much. but the fact that they lock it down AND never keep the phone updated beyond minor things is inexcusable.