A major plus with the SGSII is the Gorilla Glass on the display, but the million dollar question is what it has on the camera lens?
I love not having to worry about the screen on my Nokia N8 (also Gorilla glass), but am always wary about the camera lens which is "scratch resistent mineral glass" although it's generally recessed in its housing enough not to be a real issue.
Looking at the SGSII videos and pictures, however, it looks as though it will rest solidly - and directly - on the lens cover of the camera in the back (and of couse that's not part of an easily replacable component like the battery hatch).
So - are we going to be able to put our phones down face up without worry?
You shouldn't worry, scratches on lenses isn't really a problem. The reason is a because of how optics in lenses/cameras work. The surface on the lense is so far from focus that a scratch on the lens isn't projected on the lens as a scratch. Of course, a big damage will cause visible effects though.
I'd really like to add some links with info, but I'm not allowed, really a pity that new users cannot prove their information.
But try to google:
kurtmunger dirty lens
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for some info
Isn't the SGS and ALL iPhones supposed to have 'Gorrilla Glass'? iPhone's shatter like no-one's business; is it a lie? Like the cake?
Apple doesn't use Gorilla Glass
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/06/25/ifixit-backtracks-on-iphone-4-gorilla-glass-claim/
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Isn't the SGS and ALL iPhones supposed to have 'Gorrilla Glass'? iPhone's shatter like no-one's business; is it a lie? Like the cake?
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Depends how you abuse a phone. iPhones shatter because they are small and slick and have hard metal around the edge that directly transfers impact force to everything else because it is the frame of the phone (plastic or metal that is attached to frame would dampen the impact somewhat) Also I think it is the back of the iPhone that shatters, and that glass is not as good as the screen glass.
tjtj4444: great first post. I agree 100%, small scratches are not visible to the image sensor when focused on something far away. A finger smudge is worse. So I hope those lenses are oleophobic
The camera cover on the Samsung Galaxy S2 is suppose to be depressed behind the phone. I don't think it will be vulnerable to scratches and severe damage. However, as in the case of all tech-gadgets, over the years of ownership, there should be visible signs of wear and tear. If these signs of wear of don't appear over time, then I have to say, you must be a very careful owner, lol.
I'm none too worried about an odd scratch, but more of multiple scratches. I remember being crushed when my Samsung i900 arrived with two scratches on the lens, but they never affected the photos.
On my Desire, however, I got so many scratches that they caught enough light to have the same effect as grease on the lens. Fortunately with the Desire, I replaced the battery cover multiple times and eventually just popped the lens cover out of one.
So, no, an occasional scratch won't ruin it forever, but multiple, repeated scratches will.
Gorilla glass isn't even that good honestly. It seems to be great for demonstrations where people actively try to damage it with keys and stuff but when you use it in the real world, stuff like sand and fine debris can easily mess the screen up.
On the forums here, someone stated that their LG Optimus 2X screen shattered and he is looking for a replacement, he eventually found the necessary parts, but my thought is that if it can shatter with just a drop, whats to say that this is a one time occurrence? Although there is no doubt its stronger than mineral glass and Apple's Glass.
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Gorilla glass isn't even that good honestly. It seems to be great for demonstrations where people actively try to damage it with keys and stuff but when you use it in the real world, stuff like sand and fine debris can easily mess the screen up.
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Im not so sure about that; I had my Captivate for about 7 months and nnever used a screen protecter.
I dropped the phone multiple times from various heights along with bumps, bangs,and stuffing in pockets.
Not a single scratch; the phone looked like hell too, However if you cover the body you'd think it was new.
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i used samsung omnia hd for 1 and a half year without any screen protector. and when i sold it, not even a single scratch wwas there. gorilla glass really works
Is there any official confirmation of Gorilla Glass?
Yeah, it definitely works. The flooring in my bathroom almost has a sandpaper consistency (yeah, lovely, I know, but it's a rental flat), and my record of inflicting damage on my phones is nothing I'm proud of, but I mostly blame that da%& flooring.
And, yet, I must have slid my Nokia N8 face down across that thing like 4-5 times and there's not a mark on the glass (the anodized aluminum is another matter unfortunately).
I'd be gutted if it turned out the SGSII didn't have Gorilla Glass. Last thing I need now is another phone with a grease-magnet screen protector.
I am sure Gorilla Glass is great but does it TRULY protect it against scratches from daily use?
Thats what they said about the iPhone but you do end up getting it scratched.
Perhaps Invisible shield for the back and sides and go bare in the front would be the optimal way.
You have to distinguish between scratching the actual screen versus scratching the oleophobic coating off. The iPhone has had the coating since the 3GS so it's a lot easier to scratch it off than to actually scratch the screen.
I've had a Vibrant (Gorilla Glass with no coating) and a few Nexus S's (no gorilla glass but oleophobic coating) and I abused the crap out of the Vibrant but it stayed flawless. The Nexus S... had the coating come off but if you clean it well you won't notice until you grease up the screen again, then the lack of coating becomes apparent. Even still, it stood up pretty well and it feels amazing compared to a screen without the coating.
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I am sure Gorilla Glass is great but does it TRULY protect it against scratches from daily use?
Thats what they said about the iPhone but you do end up getting it scratched.
Perhaps Invisible shield for the back and sides and go bare in the front would be the optimal way.
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So a screen protector is not needed or to have it is just a benefit?
If it has Gorilla Glass, I will definitely be going without a screen protector.
Sure an added layer of protection wouldn't hurt, but it comes at the cost of a plastic protector that attracts more dust and grime, detracting from the touch, feel and appearance of the device.
i'm sure it will have gorilla glass.... that seemed to be the trend with this past gen of samsung's Galaxy labeled phones
Of course we know it's got Gorilla Glass on the screen, but anyone know about the lens?
Just an FYI, I've read lots of posts by SGS owners who got scratches on the screen just by carrying the phone in their pocket. I don't doubt any of the reports by posters here, but Google "I scratched my Gorilla glass" and you might not be so confident.
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I unboxed my X10 today, and found that besides the relatively more obvious protective film I taken off once I opened the box, there is a EXTRA, very well positioned film on the top of the glass. If you look closely enough, you will see the edge of the extra film from the actual glass underneath. Does anyone else notice the same or is it just me? Is that really just one more layer of protective film or it is part of the material of the glass?
Yes, it comes with one pre-applied screen protector and one inside the box!
Out of interest what sized microSD card was included? Mine came with 16GB (Nordic version).
If I understood it right from the webpage I ordered mine from. does mine come with 8 GB
So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
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So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
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I hate it too...so i just removed it
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I actually got 2 ADDITIONAL screen protectors :-/ and mine came with 8gb card so ordering a 16gb one online
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
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The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
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As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
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As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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There is nothing in the white papers suggesting that either the nexus one, iPhone nor my old Hero had any other coating than the oleophobic coating for easy fingerprint removal.
Here is a good explanation of mineral glass vs. sapphire glass:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1870141
And yes Sapphire glass is the best but cost too much for ordinary phones. mineral glass will protect the phone against most pocket scratches. But the real test will be the next 7 days, today there is no apparent scratching of the phone(no micro-scratches either).
Also of note is that the screen seems much more responsive after the removal of their so called "shutter proof sheet".
What we really need is an reviewer that doesn't give a damn about his test-unit to give it a go...with and without the sheet!
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
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Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
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Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
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Yes the sensitivity has been improved quite a bit. I would say it's on par with the other touchscreen phones now.
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So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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Yes if you read my posts further along I do point out that the screen isn't scratch-proof
I do question the decision and still do as my HTC Hero(which I bought back in August 09) has ZERO scratches And they are both supposed to be based on the same mineral-glass technology.
Im testing
Well, I've removed the screen protector and I think it is much better.
It seems so much smoother, and the screen is definitely more responsive.
I will post again in a couple of weekend to keep you all up-to-date.
soo... u guys can confirm the touchscreen is way better without the foil on? ( more sensetive aaand more accurate???)
coz i am thinking of swappin mine 2 the Desire.. but cant test it takin of the protector.. otherwise they wont return it...
I have had my problems with the X10, but the screen and its sensitivity is not one of them.. Without the exception of the edges...
I can almost never type "a".
I added the second protection as well, and love how the screen works / flows...
(with the exception of the left edge )
Anyone else notice that their screen is easily scratched?
I think I'm pretty careful with the phone and not have it in my pocket with other items like keys, change, etc. but I already have 3 small scratches in a little under 2 weeks. I was hoping to wait for a static cling screen protector but I'm thinking I should just get a wet, Invisible Shield, type one in the meantime since it seems to be easily scratched.
Is there gorlla glass? That's why I didn't buy a screen protector for my epic 4g, but I ended up getting scratches even though I keep it away from keys and change and stuff.
Apparently, fine particles of sand, quartz, etc can scratch the screen,which is bs because my hero got ONE noticeable scratch, and that was only from when I dropped it in the train tracks.
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It's glass, so no. Nothing in your pocket should be sharp enough to scratch glass, including your keys. Plastic will scratch easily though.
No gorilla glass on the nexus s
I'm looking to get a screen protector too but just not sure which to go for. I usually go for the £4-5 ones from ebay but I'm guessing that's not going to be good enough for the nexus s.
I haven't seen a lot show up yet on the market and those that have don't get great write ups. Seems a protector is a must though.
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It's glass, so no. Nothing in your pocket should be sharp enough to scratch glass, including your keys. Plastic will scratch easily though.
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You sure its glass? The Nexus S or the Hero you're referring to?
I never trust a screen on a mobile device, which will inevitably be dragged across and impacted by many things over its lifetime pretty much regardless of how careful you are (sharing pockets, being pulled out of holsters, being dropped, et cetera), to remain pristine when left as bare glass/plastic.
I know so-called gorilla glass is supposed to be extremely resistant to scratches, but if you want to be able to polish off your device and not see any defects on the screen after months or even years of normal use, I really think it's wise to invest in some sort of screen protector. Which one you have is less important, since any incident that punctures your screen protector is pretty likely to break your phone entirely (unless, like the people at Zagg, you enjoy taking a router to it).
the nexus s DOES NOT HAVE GORILLA GLASS.
that is 100% confirmed, there is no gorilla glass. However, the screen itself is glass, not plastic.
With that said, a screen protector is STRONGLY recommended as it is just normal glass and not gorilla.
The curved screen is suppose to help against drops, so if you drop it the entire screen won't hit the ground, therefor it shouldn't crack, or get scratched as easily.
Honestly everyone should buy a screen protector or invisible shield for their device, or keep it in a case/pouch
My captivate has gorilla glass and I have no scratches in the glass. I do not even worry about putting my phone in my pocket with my keys. I hate screen protectors so gorilla glass is a must for me. I don't understand why they went with cheap parts on the nexus s but google did the same thing with the n1.
http://www.androidcentral.com/gorilla-glass-demo-korean-style
nexus s has gorlla glass....100% http://www.androidcentral.com/gorill...o-korean-style
but i got scratches only on back cover......don't like a quality of plastic !!!!!!
Even if the Nexus S does have gorilla glass (I have no idea if it does or not), wouldn't the oleophobic coating on it be vulnerable to getting messed up regardless?
My Nexus One is seven months old and there's no sign of any scratches on the screen.
According to this post Nexus One doesn't have Gorilla glass: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=3bc418e9a4869ba8&hl=en
What I want to say is that the Nexus S can be up to Nexus One's scratch resistance, even the lack of Gorilla glass.
No Gorilla Glass on the Nexus S. I don't have a single scratch on my N1 after a year. My Nexus S got a scratch within a week. I think its less scratch resistant. There is a video on youtube of a guy trying to scratch his N1 with his keys unsuccessfully. I am usually always super careful with my phones but I think the curved screen got caught on something. Don't leave it to chance - if you're worried, get a screen protected.
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realistically, a screen is extremely hard to scratch
again, NO GORILLA GLASS. http://phandroid.com/2010/12/20/warning-nexus-s-not-gorilla-glass-dont-be-that-guy/
If you think your gonna get it hurt, by a screen protector, even a cheap $3 one will save your screen.
If your really worried, go all out and get an invisible shield.
I've been putting my nexus in a sock until some decent cases come out
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i really do wish it came with a neoprene sleeve like the N1 oh well
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I really do wish that were true!
I'm going to take my chances. I hate both the look and feel of all screen protectors.
I heard that the Samsung Focus had corning gorilla glass and hearing this I decided a screen protector wouldn't be needed (gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch resistant isn't it?). I'm the type of person who takes extra steps to protect his gadgets. I always hold my phone with a firm grip, I have a dedicated pocket for it (no keys or coins with it) and I never drop it. Recently I've noticed some scratches appearing on the front screen of my Focus. Most of them aren't very noticeable, but one in particular can be seen plain as day and is infuriating. Like I said, I don't have anything in my pockets, I've never dropped it and I want to know how these scratches appear on "scratch resistant" glass if nothing but my fingers and cloth are touching it.
If the Focus doesn't have the gorilla glass/gorilla glass isn't scratch resistant I will delete this thread in shame of my lack of knowledge
the zune HD has gorilla glass and I have a zune and a focus. I am reasonably sure the focus isnt gorilla glass, taps like plastic and scratches relatively easy. my zune has very little scratches after 8 months of abuse sharing pockets w/ keys; only one day with my focus in my pocket with my wallet i have scratches.
It does really seem like plastic. Or maybe really thin, versatile glass.
I asked Samsung via twitter on November 9th and they confirmed it
"the Focus does have Gorilla Glass. Thanks for reaching out to us, we're happy to help. ^Sab"
Just found this and it says the Samsung Focus does have gorilla glass.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/get-to-know-the-samsung-focus-with-windows-phone-7
Is it possible I got a bad unit? Or is it possible Samsung is just using the weakest gorilla glass?
EDIT: Dang, same time post
Samsung claims that the Focus has Gorilla Glass, so I guess you can just take their word for it. The Gorilla Glass might be underneath the plastic layer Samsung used. I think the Vibrant and European Galaxy S are the same way.
Here's a link to Samsung's official site Q&A about the Focus and if you scroll down you'll find that they confirmed it has Gorilla Glass. Click here. Also an official SamsungUSA rep on Twitter confirmed Gorilla Glass when he was asked. Click here.
Also, if you want to see a stress test of the Galaxy S' Gorilla Glass, check out this video (not in English but you get the gist of it). Click here.
I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
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I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
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Usually I get a case, but I haven't found anything to appealing yet (I like for my phone to look good). Also I try to keep it in the best condition so when I go to resell it I get maximum value
The screen feels identical withmy Captivate...
yes it is gorilla glass... ive put a few in already and can confirm.. plus i called samsung to be double sure...
huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
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huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
glass scratches.. bottom line..
gorilla glass is just harder to scratch and is a tougher glass overall so it can be made thinner than other glass digitizers...
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
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They probably have another layer over the Gorilla glass.
The Focus's screen really feels like plastic. It's just not as solid as, say, the iPhone 4 (which is said to use Gorilla glass for the front.) Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
I do not have a case or a screen protector on my Focus and don't have a single scratch on the screen and only a few micro scuffs on the plastic battery cover. I am generally careful with my gadgets, but I have carried this phone with me every day since Nov 8th and both of my young children play with it on a regular basis, and still nothing. Thankfully I have not dropped it screen side down on any hard surfaces (knock on wood)!
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Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
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It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
I can tell you from personal experience that a Focus screen will not survive a 3 foot fall on its face to concrete. And it is very very much made of glass.
But it seems relatively scratch resistant : )
Have you guys seen the youtube video of a guy testing out the glass screen of the focus? He's literally stabbing the phone with a screwdriver and smacking it with the handle and there was no scratches on the phone afterwards.
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It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
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It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
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It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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You'd have to talk to them, but I doubt it. Usually physical wear and tear isn't really covered. But couldn't you return it and then buy another one?
I'm assuming you got the scratch when the phone landed screen-down on the floor mat of the car. There are usually tiny rocks and some are bound to be more solid than the glass, thus the tiny scratch. So 'unlucky' then, I suppose.
My Nexus four already has two distinct scratches on the glass areas -- one on the front, one on the back. They're very noticeable.
So, I'd be the first to say I don't treat my devices the best -- almost all my phones have a short lifetime for one reason or another. I've had the Nexus 4 though about a month, and I didn't even have a SIM card for it until yesterday. That being said, I'd still carry it on my person to get used to it. The cat has pulled it from it's charging station a couple times, making it fall about 3 feet to a concrete floor (damn cat). Other then that, use has been pretty sub-normal. When I put it in my pockets, I make it a point to not put it in the same pocket as my keys. My wallet (it generally goes in this pocket) is leather and has no metals. Sometimes it'll go in my pocket with my Galaxy Nexus -- which never once has incurred a scratch ever -- no matter how many times I put it in the keys pocket by accident over the years.
I had Invisible shield for my Galaxy Nexus, and it was so annoying because of the friction it adds and it really messed with the contrast -- I took it off -- I thought it was Gorilla Glass and never would get scratched -- I was right!
The Nexus 4 -- I took it by Invisible Shield and they didn't even have the pattern yet -- so I figured I'd wait, but this is Gorilla Glass 2, and I'm super disappointed it's already got scratches. I don't know what to do, so I guess the best thing to do is to let you guys know. I'll probably be calling Google come Monday to see if they have any options. I think I'm 3 days out of return -- I just noticed the big one on the front of my screen yesterday. Ugh.
First of all - wrong forum
Second - how can you be sure that the drops did not result in the scratches
third - I believe the first people to receive the N4 were 17th Nov 2012 so how is it that you have been using it for a month
Fourth - if your wallet has a dust particle on it, you can get scratches on the phone
mine already came with a stock front screen protector, thats normal right? not sure if the back has one either its hard to tell i have bad eyesight:silly:
Gorilla Glass is all marketing, it might be slightly stronger than normal glass but it's more prone to scratching than other screens. And drop videos show the glass will break no matter what if you drop it 5-6 feet. Only idiots at Apple would think of covering its phones with glass and only morons follow in copying such a design on their phones. LG made a poor decision on this aspect. Most cases, most people going to buy a back cover and all that shiny glass back is going to be covered anyways. So whats the point?
I had a galaxy note with gorilla glass, screen got scratched from its own damn pen!
Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Samsung Focus, Blackberry Bold 9000 not a single scratch, none of them used gorilla glass.
So when people say their gorilla glass screens got scratched, I believe them.
I just hope my Nexus 4 will remain scratch-less in 6 months.
I work in construction and had my phone since 14th of Nov well got a new one again a week and a half later from tmobile and neither have any scratches. U have to really be doing something to get scratches on it. Sand will scratch this glass. Keys and change won't only metal that is kind of hard enough to do that is nickel. Also dropping it a few times like op said will definitely do it. These phones are not scratch proof but it is hard to get scratches with normal use and in pockets. That is of course like I stated u have sand in your pockets!
Gorilla Glass (1 and 2) do not protect against ALL scratches:
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Gorilla Glass is all marketing, it might be slightly stronger than normal glass but it's more prone to scratching than other screens. And drop videos show the glass will break no matter what if you drop it 5-6 feet. Only idiots at Apple would think of covering its phones with glass and only morons follow in copying such a design on their phones. LG made a poor decision on this aspect. Most cases, most people going to buy a back cover and all that shiny glass back is going to be covered anyways. So whats the point?
I had a galaxy note with gorilla glass, screen got scratched from its own damn pen!
Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Samsung Focus, Blackberry Bold 9000 not a single scratch, none of them used gorilla glass.
So when people say their gorilla glass screens got scratched, I believe them.
I just hope my Nexus 4 will remain scratch-less in 6 months.
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Where are you getting the information that GG2 is more prone to scratches? This is bull ****. Out of many thousands of phones sold a few people complained about scratches.
The truth is that the majority of them scratched the screens and do not want to admit it. So calculate the percentiles and I think it is fairly low. So how does this translate into gg2 being easier to scratch?
I have had my phone since Thursday. I have no case or screen protector but I am careful and I clean the screen often using a cloth shami meant for glasses. I have no scratches and often carry the phone in my sweat shirt pocket.
I am not saying that I have tested the durability top much but I surely would not consider this glass easy to scratch.
Btw- I placed this phone next to 2 other devices i have both of which have fairly poor quality glass. You can easily tell this glass is much harder even just by tapping with your finger nail.
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A nuke went off and my phone melted therefore gorilla glass is bad.
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I've received an answer from official Sony support staff over at the Sony Mobile support forums, on a thread regarding which type of glass is used for the Z3C. It turns out that for the display, both Gorilla Glass 3 AND Dragontrail X are used. Unfortunately, no info on the rear glass:
"For the display glass we use both Gorilla 3 and Dragontrail X but i'm afraid i don't have any detailed information about the rear glass."
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...ss-is-on-Xperia-Z3-Compact/m-p/838927#U838927
Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
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Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
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That's what I'm curious about as well.
my guess that it may boil down to a matter of availability.
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Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
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If this is true I think I may have gotten the Dragontrail version because I have been pretty careful with the phone os far and already have a small scratch on the upper right. I think I would choose scratch protection over drop protection in the end because scratches are drive me ****ing nuts.
So if yours is a Dragontrail, use PET film. If Gorilla glass, use tempered glass. Problem solved!
Just need to know about the backside. To date, no one makes a tempered glass for the backside.
Why PET for Dragontrail?
For those with true balls, give us a scratch test, attempt to scratch your device and post it on you tube LOL
Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break!
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Was that sarkasm or did you just make that up? Is there any valid source to back up this claim? Imo many people talking on the interwebs just have uneducated opinions.
/e: that sounded more aggressive than it was meant to, I didn't mean your opinion is uneducated =)
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Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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That's completely normal.
Agreed. I am going to have a Case anyway if I
get a Z3 C and would prefer Corning GG 3 or GG2 as a known performer versus Dragontrail
which has a cool name but what is it ?
Godzilla Glass and Dragontrail sound good but give me GG3. Corning Gorilla Glass.
And give me a gel case with outer shell and I will add glass screen protectors front and back.
The Manager at Sony Store Miami which does not have Z3 or Z3 C yet mentioned " Tempered Glass " for the back as what Sony calls it.
Thanks for posting your experiences .
They use Both but you won't know Which is on your phone, like the z1c had Both jdi display and another lowcost brand so by chance you could get a superbright display or a not-so-good one.
Or they use none of both and Sony support just has no clue whatsoever
After 5 days I have absolutely no microscratches. I still put it in my pocket with other things (not keys though). In addition GG 3 also gets scratched by harder materials like sand, glass, concrete. If you have sand in your pocket or mineral dust it will be scratched if it's not made of sapphire glass (which would be scratched by diamond)...
I've had my phone for 7 days now and I checked under the bright lights at work and I have a bunch of micro scratches on the back, very disappointing. My phone is carried in my pocket by itself, or set on my desk so I have no idea where such scratches could come from. It's only on the back though, the front looks fine, so maybe they're using some inferior glass for the rear.
I think gorilla glass 2/3 or dragon tail doesn't really make that much difference....
I read somewhere the key is the strength retention after the glass has been scratched. I think Gorilla 3 perform better to retain that strength. All of the glass has very similar spec.
http://www.evolutivelabs.com/blogs/news/11840361-gorilla-glass-2-vs-3
Don't know if this deserved a separate thread but will post here as well.
Today I woke up and realized that my screen is broken. One think line. My guess that is happened yesterday cause phone touch was acting up in the evening but it's hard to see without much light.
My phone is in case, has a stock screen protector and was never dropped or impacted.
My guess that this is low quality from zony's side. Reminds me the crack that reviewers had on their back plate in one of the first review videos.
How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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It's a smudge magnet. But my finger glides very smoothly on it and it's easy to clean. Usually it "cleans itself" in my pocket so when I take it out after having a walked around for a while, the screen is usually relatively clean.