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Epic - Evo,last of the wimax 4g headsets?

Not sure if you guys been reading about Sprint and how they will switch over to LTE sometimes in 2011. But in any case look like the number of wimax headsets are going to be limited to only a 2 or 3 headsets (HTC-Knight). What you guys think about this and does it only mean we're going to have to hold on to our Epic a bit longer till the new LTE headsets are available?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/212878/sprint_ceo_says_wimax_bet_paid_less_than_hoped.html

Sprint isn't going to drop Clearwire and their WiMAX network. They plan on integrating the Nextels 800 MHz spectrum, the 1.9 GHz network and Clearwires 2.5 GHz network. They will then roll out handsets that can take advantage of all of these network bands.
Source: http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/20...elligence-Network-Upgrades-Wireless-Networks/
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Bummer...
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I hope they go for LTE, I'm switching to Verizon as soon as they get an LTE device anyway. Wimax is dying because no one is adopting it around the world and it sounds better on paper than it performs in real life. Sprint is losing so much money I don't know how they're going to survive.

dieselg5 said:
I hope they go for LTE, I'm switching to Verizon as soon as they get an LTE device anyway. Wimax is dying because no one is adopting it around the world and it sounds better on paper than it performs in real life. Sprint is losing so much money I don't know how they're going to survive.
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Sprint is doing way better from an investment standpoint then a couple years ago. And people are adopting it around the world, and they are also going to implement LTE. Source is for international roaming for WiMAX.
Source: http://www.globaltelecomsbusiness.c.../25192/Sprint-agrees-WiMax-roaming-deals.html
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Haha. Verizon LTE sucks. In their tests they were getting less than 10mbps with no congestion. Don't pass on wimax just yet clearwire and sprint are releasing new markets all the time. It will take just as long for verizon to roll out their LTE and everyone will get IMO 2-3mbps until they can figure out what they are doing.
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knx2 said:
Haha. Verizon LTE sucks. In their tests they were getting less than 10mbps with no congestion. Don't pass on wimax just yet clearwire and sprint are releasing new markets all the time. It will take just as long for verizon to roll out their LTE and everyone will get IMO 2-3mbps until they can figure out what they are doing.
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Yup. Don't count wimax out just yet.... http://www.pcworld.com/article/188205/watch_for_wimax_2_in_2011.html
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/04/samsung-showing-off-330mbps-wimax-2-mobile-broadband-over-at-cea/

From what I've been seeing, the only thing that Sprint has to do if they do decide to ditch WiMAX for LTE is change out a couple of cards at the servers and roll out a software update.

rkjg24 said:
From what I've been seeing, the only thing that Sprint has to do if they do decide to ditch WiMAX for LTE is change out a couple of cards at the servers and roll out a software update.
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And i'm sure we will still be paying the extra $10 a month lol

Tired of everyone saying lte is going to be the world standard. It does have a lot of backing but has not been proved in the real world. Wimax has been proved and works well.
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knx2 said:
Haha. Verizon LTE sucks. In their tests they were getting less than 10mbps with no congestion. Don't pass on wimax just yet clearwire and sprint are releasing new markets all the time. It will take just as long for verizon to roll out their LTE and everyone will get IMO 2-3mbps until they can figure out what they are doing.
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Less then 7mbps? What was WiMax on it's low range, because Verizon's LTE was 7-33mbps. 7 was the low. I've read some reports of Verizon's LTE service hitting in the 50mbps on the download and in the 20's for upload.
Personally, I'd rather have Sprint change over to LTE ASAP. This way, since AT&T and VzW will both be on LTE, we can get better coverage due to roaming.
BTW, isn't Sprint's Wimax locked at 2-6mbps with possible busts to 10 or 12 mbps? If you think about it 2-6mbps is 3G already is, so why pay the extra $10 for marketing?

dieselg5 said:
I hope they go for LTE, I'm switching to Verizon as soon as they get an LTE device anyway. Wimax is dying because no one is adopting it around the world and it sounds better on paper than it performs in real life. Sprint is losing so much money I don't know how they're going to survive.
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So you know, the reason why wimax is so slow on sprint is:
1) They cap it
2) They are not using their full spectrum in the 2.5ghz band...in that band from what I read they got 30mhz spectrum and right now only using 10mhz...Verizon only has 20mhz spectrum and using it all for LTE...but they opted to use the extra 10mhz in a way that will give better speed but lower capacity...hence the tiered plans...
crabjoe said:
Personally, I'd rather have Sprint change over to LTE ASAP. This way, since AT&T and VzW will both be on LTE, we can get better coverage due to roaming.
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You do know that AT&T and Verizon are going FD-LTE while sprint would end up going TD-LTE...so they will only be able to "roam" if the equipment supports both and on the right bands...
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As sprint is using only 10mhz for wimax, my guess is they will use the remaining 20mhz for TD-LTE..if you read the news sprint is working with some companies to create a better way of pickign up signals on multiple bands..aka if they end up full switching to TD-LTE it would end up seamless...you wouldn't even notice it..
I personally think going wimax was not a bad idea..its just that sprint messed it up completely...2 things that come to mind are:
1) EVO was a failure..simply because they could not keep it in stock..sprint should have had multiple manufacturers making 4g devices and say released the Epic and EVO together...instead they lost millions by having HTC fail to deliver the stock.
2) Completely failed utilizing their partners..I mean they got comcast and many other cable providers as a partners...they could have used that and made airwave boxes built into the cable and offer quadruple play with cell phones.

gTen said:
I personally think going wimax was not a bad idea..its just that sprint messed it up completely.
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I agree with you. It looks like sprint is learning from their mistakes though. They finally are contracting out work, and going to have multiband handsets. I can't wait to see how they incorporate the existing iden network, well the frequency anyways. Maybe for voice?
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mxcoldhit said:
I agree with you. It looks like sprint is learning from their mistakes though. They finally are contracting out work, and going to have multiband handsets. I can't wait to see how they incorporate the existing iden network, well the frequency anyways. Maybe for voice?
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Aren't they selling the iden network?

gTen said:
Aren't they selling the iden network?
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O didn't think they were. I thought they were going to incorporate the 800MHz network.
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I was just at starbucks that's 100ft from a 4G tower and I was getting 2mbits/1.2mbits down/up and outside I was getting 5mbits/1.2mbits with a clear line of sight. When I had a G1 I was getting 3-4 with a max of 6 mbits in the same spot. So no, wimax doesn't work that well in the real world. I use it more than most people and it sucks about 95% of the time. Using it while you're moving is a joke too.
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dieselg5 said:
I was just at starbucks that's 100ft from a 4G tower and I was getting 2mbits/1.2mbits down/up and outside I was getting 5mbits/1.2mbits with a clear line of sight. When I had a G1 I was getting 3-4 with a max of 6 mbits in the same spot. So no, wimax doesn't work that well in the real world. I use it more than most people and it sucks about 95% of the time. Using it while you're moving is a joke too.
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Was the antenna on the tower facing directly at you? how many bars did you have? what radio were you using? who provided the equipment for the tower in question? what were you using to speedtest? how far away was the server? what was the latency?
I am in NY, I get around 7mbp/sec on 2 bars, 4mb/sec on 1 bar...and as you can guess the there are a lot of interferences and a whole lot of people using 4g..so its as "real world" as it gets..

gTen said:
So you know, the reason why wimax is so slow on sprint is:
1) They cap it
2) They are not using their full spectrum in the 2.5ghz band...in that band from what I read they got 30mhz spectrum and right now only using 10mhz...Verizon only has 20mhz spectrum and using it all for LTE...but they opted to use the extra 10mhz in a way that will give better speed but lower capacity...hence the tiered plans...
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Capped? From what I hear, only the upstream is capped at 1mbps, download is wide open. Clearwire (CW) also hold around 150mhz of spectrum in the 2.5ghz frequency. The problem is 2.5ghz is terrible for building penetration and it's going to cost more to setup all these addition sites to get the any decent indoor coverage. Also, even though Sprint owns majority stakes in Clearwire, how does it help Sprint, when it now looks like Sprint is getting ready to ditch Clearwire for their LTE testing?
BTW isn't CW now trying to sell some of that 150mhz of spectrum they hold to try and stay a float? I don't know how much of it is up for sale, but I don't think all this talk of spectrum will mean much of anything to the average consumer since Sprint doesn't own it, it looks like Sprint is now trying to get away from CW, and VzW has LTE up and running well on what they spectrum have.
As for FD/TD LTE, my understanding is that TD-LTE is already interoperable with FD-LTE, so it looks like Sprint is on the right track if they go TD-LTE. The only issue I see with Sprint roaming on ATT/VzW is roaming contract issues and Sprint would have to make sure they have a 700mhz radio in any LTE device, in addition to whatever frequency they plan on using for their LTE setup.
One question ... doesn't FD-LTE give better upload speed?

I have used wimax in 3 different markets now. Portland, Oregon, Las Vegas, and Philadelphia. In all three markets I would sometimes get as little as 3 mbs down but normally would get between 6 and 8. This is right in the area verizon says their lte will reside but again there is zero real world experience to prove this.
As far as roaming on lte goes it is not likely to happen. Both because all the carriers use different frequencies and because the carriers are going to want to protect their advantage in deploying 4g. From my experience wimax works great and lte has not yet been tested.
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I'm in NYC as well. The antennas are omnidirectional, 3 bars, stock, clearwire?, tethered laptop and speedtest app on phone, NY so pretty close, anywhere from 70ms to 150ms. The second you step inside any building signal drops at least 1 to 2 bars. Wimax is a gimmick to me and I don't think it'll succeed once more reliable technologies (possibly LTE) become implemented.
gTen said:
Was the antenna on the tower facing directly at you? how many bars did you have? what radio were you using? who provided the equipment for the tower in question? what were you using to speedtest? how far away was the server? what was the latency?
I am in NY, I get around 7mbp/sec on 2 bars, 4mb/sec on 1 bar...and as you can guess the there are a lot of interferences and a whole lot of people using 4g..so its as "real world" as it gets..
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Sprint Killing Iden and Moving to LTE?

Recently read that sprint will be phasing out the iden network by 2013 and Dan Hesse Admitted Wimax was a failure and is considering the switch to LTE.
Could a switch to LTE ruin our 4Gness on our beloved Evos or would they still work?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprints-25-Billion-Network-Improvement-Plan-Hints-At-LTE-111703

Im just going out on a limb here but gonna throw my thoughts in on this . The phase out wont be till 2013 . With that being said most of us on the Evo will be well into a new phone by that time . General life span of phones (I said general) seems to be one year maybe two at most before someone jumps ship and gets another phone . I have also read that Wimax is an older technology that has been around for a while and the next logical jump would be LTE much like verizon is pushing . Now if for some reason you still have an Evo by the time the phase out is complete , I would suspect Sprint would either offer their customers an upgrade to work on the new network or atleast reduce the bills of the current evo owners still running an evo at that point . But from what I have seen and said in this post the likelyhood of any of us having the EVO in its current form by that time is very low . Its also possible the next gen of phones being released next year will start incorporating the LTE system (say for the sake of argument EVO2 LTE) to adjust to this change .

Wimax 2............ftw

Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Expect ptt over ip and not in the failed Qchat form. Most likely over 4G(wimax1,2 or LTE) data. Sprint has plenty option. They just have to play it right.
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david279 said:
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.

Sort of. It only takes a firmware update to switch.
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hmmmm...maybe wimax and lte along with cdma and gsm...world wide phone..anywhere. Maybe Sprint quad band phones with quad core cpus in next 5-10yrs? Quad band with quad core.."4x4" on 4G. ok..dream over...
Youd need a 12 volt battery too. lol

I read a while back that sprint chose WiMax as its "4g" provider because the infrastructure was already in place since clear had been launched. And that if LTE deemed a better route that the WiMax network could be patched relatively easily to run LTE. Im not worried about it. If sprint was the first company to have 4g im pretty sure they wont leave their current WiMax customers without high speed service if Wimax is pulled off the market. But remeber as well that the article specifies Iden which is nextel. Thats a conpletely different animal. Only time will tell.
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nebenezer said:
So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.

david279 said:
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Thats good the two technologies are that compatible, I didn't know they could be used like that. You're right about Sprint having the Spectrum for it too. My guess is they tried getting rid of IDEN a few years back to use that spectrum for 4G but couldn't because of all the people still using it. The higher frequency WiMax is at now is what's holding it back.

They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).

Product F(RED) said:
They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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That's the only problem. If sprint goes with wimax 2 well be alright though. Early adopters always the test dummys.
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).

Product F(RED) said:
Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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This is true until the G2 came out. That would be the only phone I would leave sprint for. I think the problem that came about with the Evo was it was rushed out for sprint. They could have cleaned up a bunch of problems before it even hit the street. **off soapbox**
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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As long as they don't switch frequencies, then they will need to transmitters as well. Although they could probably leave the infrastructure they already have in place and finish the rest of it on the other frequency.

No, what I mean was that LTE and WiMax are not intercompatible in themselves.

Im glad to see that they can switch between wimax and LTE easily. I did not know that. Hopefully all the companies will have a roaming agreement in place. Also, isnt the range of LTE further than Wimax or is it the other way around?

Product F(RED) said:
No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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By the time any switch happens, both the Evo and Epic will be very outdated. Not to many people will still have them. lol

wimax and lte
My best friend worked for sprint. Now works for AT&T. Wimax is not the problem. LTE is a different technology. What you have to understand is not the sofware but the signal. The Wimax from Sprint is running between 2.0 and 2.5 ghz. The problem with this is the structure penetration. 2.4ghz, if you remember is what older home cordless phones run on. Get to far away and, bam, no signal. Sprint could switch to the LTE format the the carrier frequency in the 2.0 to 2.5ghz spectrum will still not be able to penetrate structures well. My friend says the spectrum needs to be cleared up. vhf uhf tv. WTF. Get rid of them. You need to be at the 650mhz spectrum (his personal choice) so the the wavelength of the carrier wave will be able to penetrate building/structures. And pagers? Are you kidding me all phones double as a pager. Dump them. A doctor is going to get a page and use his cell phone to call in? waste of spectrum. So sprint needs to change the carrier frequency of wimax or lte (if it changes its mind) so that you can get your service indoors. The carrier frequency only is a delivery system(such as a semi truck delivering a tv). If you have a bad truck, tv does not get delivered. Know what I mean. All carriers need some free up of current spectrum so we can get some real penetration and better bars. I hate being a nerd. But WFT. Get a divorce and get an new life.
Cole

Bad news for WIMAX

http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news

Oh well.
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Unless you plan on using your EVO for the next 4-5 years , i dont think it really matters. If/when they make this move, there will be plenty of phones to come out that will support the new network. I doubt anyone will still have their EVO's /Epic's by the time this actually comes to reality.

Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.

this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.

Doesn't bother me too much. Yes, I enjoy the speeds of WiMax, but the battery drain is too much of an issue.

detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Makes sense, also could explain why we haven't heard about an EVO 2. They could be trying to figure out how to apply a triband radio up in the phone.

detusueno said:
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Well obviously it wouldn't be a hackers hack it'd have to be a Sprint flash of some sort. I am not saying its even plausible more of food for thought.

detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.

mikevillarroel said:
I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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Not so sure about that. WiMax currently require some form of key/pw authentication with Clear to connect. LTE on Sprint will probably require SIM cards to connect, like Metro PCS does even as CDMA network. I don't see how they (or even Sprint themselves) will get around that issue. It'd probably be as futile as trying to connect with AT&T's/Verizon's LTE network with a hacked WiMax radio.

Ok sprint will have wimax and lte dual so that good thing imaging and evo 2 with rev b for 3g 1xadvance and wimax and lte omg and being coverd with that much technology
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Good I better get my $10.00/mo back

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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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No, the TOWERS can be fairly easily converted. No phone can be unless explicitly designed for that (like Qualcomm GoBi data chips).

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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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really? that would be awesome if one of the devs can get wimax radio flashed to verizon's LTE

I hope Sprint Goes LTE - The Verizon LTE speeds look awesome

detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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+1
with speeds under 200 kbps there is absolutely no phone in the world that would make me wanna stay with sprint.
Boy,if this is true they will be losing customers like crazy come this summer.

The story was on Engadget the other week. Technically, the Sprint network guy said it was being evaluated for six months...but with no new Wimax phones on tap for the next six months (that we know of), the conclusion will be the same at the end of six months as it is now.
If they are going to make the move, then throw the switch, and have a plan in place to get us off of our EVO's (and them off of their Epics), even if it's three months out, because then that class action thread that's out there may start looking real good and actually get five stars.
Note: If all that's needed is to switch out the baseband cards and run a firmware update, that would mean that Wimax would have to get turned off, because it's the Wimax equipment that's getting the upgrade. So this won't be a side by side Wimax/LTE network. It's either or...right???

i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.

Good riddance? Wimax is a joke in my area (metro Atlanta), to this day I can barely connect to Wimax from inside my house and the coverage map "according to Sprint" shows my area lit up with Wimax. I have to stand by my second story window in my house to connect to it and the connection is "poor", Hell its poor when I go outside.
Love the phone itself though.

Dan330 said:
i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
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How so? If it's what I think...network access can be controlled just as easily on a Wimax network as on a LTE network. It's all IP traffic. Verizon just chooses to control it.

Project Leapfrog - Sprint is going to LTE...starting now!

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...rk-upgrade-is-un/&category=classic&postPage=1
Not sure what they're leapfrogging over, but sure.
Maybe the true EVO 2 will have LTE!
Also says something about the planned upgrade to the current CDMA network, and killing off iDEN.
Like Carbon Fiber? EVO.carbonfibermagic.com

They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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That's what I think, too!

If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.

If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.

tejasrichard said:
If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.
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Exactly...2-3 years until they're converted to lte, so wimax as normal.

Old news that I've probably mentioned 6 times since posting in this very section. Project Leapfrog was the codename for Sprint's Network Vision. I'm just patiently waiting for Sprint/Clearwire to officially announce LTE is a go, so I could retire this topic. Sprint's ****ty 3G network will be taken care of by this same project they've mentioned since December.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news

sitlet said:
If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.
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By that point you should have a new phone.
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zikronix said:
****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news
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Lmfao me too
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Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.

ryudosama said:
Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.
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On the tower side, the hardware used in the base-stations can apparently be updated very readily -- swapping some circuit boards, and doing a software update, to make them LTE ready.
As to our phones, there is some disagreement. The LTE spec allows carriers to use frequencies in the range of those that our phones can already receive. Whether the hardware/software combination exists to let our phones receive LTE data, is up to debate. Many say no, but based on the spec, a Wimax antenna operating in the either the 800Mhz, 1.6Ghz or 2Ghz range can receive the signals (see Uplink and Downlink bands here: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php), but can the phone discriminate and use what it receives? Who knows...

Great move if you ask me. And I don't know about anyone else but the places I've lived and traveling the Midwest parts of the south and here in the west coast sprints 3g has been my favorite. I also have an att and T-Mobile phone for business.... now talk about ****ty coverage lol.

I was told Sprint is merging with Verizon on LTE

Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?

engelsione said:
Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
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Verizon owns their network.
They might have a deal (much like the cdma deal) where they will be able to roam across networks...but its highly unlikely that Verizon would truly "share" their network with Sprint in the way you're thinking. (As in how Clear has with wimax)
Announcement link here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021

Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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I See this happening for only one reason.
It would be way cheaper.
The companies could use a data swapping model.
The two companies would swap equal amounts of data for no charge. and charge who ever uses more.
This method would allow the companies to expand their network and advertise they have more coverage.
\It will not be free but it will need to have some sort of method for finding out who uses what data who is going to be charged. This would allow cheaper costs and to have a huge footprint rather fast. It will also give time for the companies to save $$$ and build out their networks and switch solely to their LTE towers.
Again these companies will never do this. BUT. LTE hopping while using some sort of data swapping...Ehh
May or may not happen.

ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....

Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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kostov22 said:
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.

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Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Its already useless where I live. I'm not to worried about LTE and switching phones since as mentioned it takes a while. Still waiting to get my hands on that new Galaxy model.

mattykinsx said:
Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Lol I remember watching our betamax when I was young.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.

indagroove said:
Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?

mattykinsx said:
From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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Just like Wimax better then LTE but being dropped like beta is probably the reference he's makin
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jessejames111981 said:
I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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Awesome
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Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Evo, Evo Shift, Epic 4g, Evo 3d, Random Samsung phone, and the Epic Touch coming are all WiMax, so I doubt it'll become useless.

Its not like they're just gonna immediately shut down the Wimax network anyway.
If they do, by the time they do, no one will have a Wimax capable phone.

"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/

mxl180 said:
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021

mattykinsx said:
Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Sprint will be using LTE but named differently to not "confuse" the consumer Jan 1st 2012
I call BULLSHxT!

Wimax isn't going away... It was designed as a back haul system... Wimax can carry alot more data than LTE because of the spectrum it uses but can't penetrate building worth a crap. Wimax makes an excellent tower to tower communications system that LTE could only dream of so the goal should be use both systems for there designed purpose.
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i talked to sprint the other day and they are already doing it, however they are actually in the proccess of building there own 4g network with the lte technology to be completed by 2018.