Recently read that sprint will be phasing out the iden network by 2013 and Dan Hesse Admitted Wimax was a failure and is considering the switch to LTE.
Could a switch to LTE ruin our 4Gness on our beloved Evos or would they still work?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprints-25-Billion-Network-Improvement-Plan-Hints-At-LTE-111703
Im just going out on a limb here but gonna throw my thoughts in on this . The phase out wont be till 2013 . With that being said most of us on the Evo will be well into a new phone by that time . General life span of phones (I said general) seems to be one year maybe two at most before someone jumps ship and gets another phone . I have also read that Wimax is an older technology that has been around for a while and the next logical jump would be LTE much like verizon is pushing . Now if for some reason you still have an Evo by the time the phase out is complete , I would suspect Sprint would either offer their customers an upgrade to work on the new network or atleast reduce the bills of the current evo owners still running an evo at that point . But from what I have seen and said in this post the likelyhood of any of us having the EVO in its current form by that time is very low . Its also possible the next gen of phones being released next year will start incorporating the LTE system (say for the sake of argument EVO2 LTE) to adjust to this change .
Wimax 2............ftw
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Expect ptt over ip and not in the failed Qchat form. Most likely over 4G(wimax1,2 or LTE) data. Sprint has plenty option. They just have to play it right.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
Sort of. It only takes a firmware update to switch.
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hmmmm...maybe wimax and lte along with cdma and gsm...world wide phone..anywhere. Maybe Sprint quad band phones with quad core cpus in next 5-10yrs? Quad band with quad core.."4x4" on 4G. ok..dream over...
Youd need a 12 volt battery too. lol
I read a while back that sprint chose WiMax as its "4g" provider because the infrastructure was already in place since clear had been launched. And that if LTE deemed a better route that the WiMax network could be patched relatively easily to run LTE. Im not worried about it. If sprint was the first company to have 4g im pretty sure they wont leave their current WiMax customers without high speed service if Wimax is pulled off the market. But remeber as well that the article specifies Iden which is nextel. Thats a conpletely different animal. Only time will tell.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
david279 said:
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Thats good the two technologies are that compatible, I didn't know they could be used like that. You're right about Sprint having the Spectrum for it too. My guess is they tried getting rid of IDEN a few years back to use that spectrum for 4G but couldn't because of all the people still using it. The higher frequency WiMax is at now is what's holding it back.
They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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That's the only problem. If sprint goes with wimax 2 well be alright though. Early adopters always the test dummys.
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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This is true until the G2 came out. That would be the only phone I would leave sprint for. I think the problem that came about with the Evo was it was rushed out for sprint. They could have cleaned up a bunch of problems before it even hit the street. **off soapbox**
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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As long as they don't switch frequencies, then they will need to transmitters as well. Although they could probably leave the infrastructure they already have in place and finish the rest of it on the other frequency.
No, what I mean was that LTE and WiMax are not intercompatible in themselves.
Im glad to see that they can switch between wimax and LTE easily. I did not know that. Hopefully all the companies will have a roaming agreement in place. Also, isnt the range of LTE further than Wimax or is it the other way around?
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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By the time any switch happens, both the Evo and Epic will be very outdated. Not to many people will still have them. lol
wimax and lte
My best friend worked for sprint. Now works for AT&T. Wimax is not the problem. LTE is a different technology. What you have to understand is not the sofware but the signal. The Wimax from Sprint is running between 2.0 and 2.5 ghz. The problem with this is the structure penetration. 2.4ghz, if you remember is what older home cordless phones run on. Get to far away and, bam, no signal. Sprint could switch to the LTE format the the carrier frequency in the 2.0 to 2.5ghz spectrum will still not be able to penetrate structures well. My friend says the spectrum needs to be cleared up. vhf uhf tv. WTF. Get rid of them. You need to be at the 650mhz spectrum (his personal choice) so the the wavelength of the carrier wave will be able to penetrate building/structures. And pagers? Are you kidding me all phones double as a pager. Dump them. A doctor is going to get a page and use his cell phone to call in? waste of spectrum. So sprint needs to change the carrier frequency of wimax or lte (if it changes its mind) so that you can get your service indoors. The carrier frequency only is a delivery system(such as a semi truck delivering a tv). If you have a bad truck, tv does not get delivered. Know what I mean. All carriers need some free up of current spectrum so we can get some real penetration and better bars. I hate being a nerd. But WFT. Get a divorce and get an new life.
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Not sure if you guys been reading about Sprint and how they will switch over to LTE sometimes in 2011. But in any case look like the number of wimax headsets are going to be limited to only a 2 or 3 headsets (HTC-Knight). What you guys think about this and does it only mean we're going to have to hold on to our Epic a bit longer till the new LTE headsets are available?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/212878/sprint_ceo_says_wimax_bet_paid_less_than_hoped.html
Sprint isn't going to drop Clearwire and their WiMAX network. They plan on integrating the Nextels 800 MHz spectrum, the 1.9 GHz network and Clearwires 2.5 GHz network. They will then roll out handsets that can take advantage of all of these network bands.
Source: http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/20...elligence-Network-Upgrades-Wireless-Networks/
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Bummer...
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I hope they go for LTE, I'm switching to Verizon as soon as they get an LTE device anyway. Wimax is dying because no one is adopting it around the world and it sounds better on paper than it performs in real life. Sprint is losing so much money I don't know how they're going to survive.
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I hope they go for LTE, I'm switching to Verizon as soon as they get an LTE device anyway. Wimax is dying because no one is adopting it around the world and it sounds better on paper than it performs in real life. Sprint is losing so much money I don't know how they're going to survive.
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Sprint is doing way better from an investment standpoint then a couple years ago. And people are adopting it around the world, and they are also going to implement LTE. Source is for international roaming for WiMAX.
Source: http://www.globaltelecomsbusiness.c.../25192/Sprint-agrees-WiMax-roaming-deals.html
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Haha. Verizon LTE sucks. In their tests they were getting less than 10mbps with no congestion. Don't pass on wimax just yet clearwire and sprint are releasing new markets all the time. It will take just as long for verizon to roll out their LTE and everyone will get IMO 2-3mbps until they can figure out what they are doing.
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Haha. Verizon LTE sucks. In their tests they were getting less than 10mbps with no congestion. Don't pass on wimax just yet clearwire and sprint are releasing new markets all the time. It will take just as long for verizon to roll out their LTE and everyone will get IMO 2-3mbps until they can figure out what they are doing.
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Yup. Don't count wimax out just yet.... http://www.pcworld.com/article/188205/watch_for_wimax_2_in_2011.html
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/04/samsung-showing-off-330mbps-wimax-2-mobile-broadband-over-at-cea/
From what I've been seeing, the only thing that Sprint has to do if they do decide to ditch WiMAX for LTE is change out a couple of cards at the servers and roll out a software update.
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From what I've been seeing, the only thing that Sprint has to do if they do decide to ditch WiMAX for LTE is change out a couple of cards at the servers and roll out a software update.
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And i'm sure we will still be paying the extra $10 a month lol
Tired of everyone saying lte is going to be the world standard. It does have a lot of backing but has not been proved in the real world. Wimax has been proved and works well.
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Haha. Verizon LTE sucks. In their tests they were getting less than 10mbps with no congestion. Don't pass on wimax just yet clearwire and sprint are releasing new markets all the time. It will take just as long for verizon to roll out their LTE and everyone will get IMO 2-3mbps until they can figure out what they are doing.
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Less then 7mbps? What was WiMax on it's low range, because Verizon's LTE was 7-33mbps. 7 was the low. I've read some reports of Verizon's LTE service hitting in the 50mbps on the download and in the 20's for upload.
Personally, I'd rather have Sprint change over to LTE ASAP. This way, since AT&T and VzW will both be on LTE, we can get better coverage due to roaming.
BTW, isn't Sprint's Wimax locked at 2-6mbps with possible busts to 10 or 12 mbps? If you think about it 2-6mbps is 3G already is, so why pay the extra $10 for marketing?
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I hope they go for LTE, I'm switching to Verizon as soon as they get an LTE device anyway. Wimax is dying because no one is adopting it around the world and it sounds better on paper than it performs in real life. Sprint is losing so much money I don't know how they're going to survive.
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So you know, the reason why wimax is so slow on sprint is:
1) They cap it
2) They are not using their full spectrum in the 2.5ghz band...in that band from what I read they got 30mhz spectrum and right now only using 10mhz...Verizon only has 20mhz spectrum and using it all for LTE...but they opted to use the extra 10mhz in a way that will give better speed but lower capacity...hence the tiered plans...
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Personally, I'd rather have Sprint change over to LTE ASAP. This way, since AT&T and VzW will both be on LTE, we can get better coverage due to roaming.
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You do know that AT&T and Verizon are going FD-LTE while sprint would end up going TD-LTE...so they will only be able to "roam" if the equipment supports both and on the right bands...
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As sprint is using only 10mhz for wimax, my guess is they will use the remaining 20mhz for TD-LTE..if you read the news sprint is working with some companies to create a better way of pickign up signals on multiple bands..aka if they end up full switching to TD-LTE it would end up seamless...you wouldn't even notice it..
I personally think going wimax was not a bad idea..its just that sprint messed it up completely...2 things that come to mind are:
1) EVO was a failure..simply because they could not keep it in stock..sprint should have had multiple manufacturers making 4g devices and say released the Epic and EVO together...instead they lost millions by having HTC fail to deliver the stock.
2) Completely failed utilizing their partners..I mean they got comcast and many other cable providers as a partners...they could have used that and made airwave boxes built into the cable and offer quadruple play with cell phones.
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I personally think going wimax was not a bad idea..its just that sprint messed it up completely.
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I agree with you. It looks like sprint is learning from their mistakes though. They finally are contracting out work, and going to have multiband handsets. I can't wait to see how they incorporate the existing iden network, well the frequency anyways. Maybe for voice?
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I agree with you. It looks like sprint is learning from their mistakes though. They finally are contracting out work, and going to have multiband handsets. I can't wait to see how they incorporate the existing iden network, well the frequency anyways. Maybe for voice?
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Aren't they selling the iden network?
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Aren't they selling the iden network?
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O didn't think they were. I thought they were going to incorporate the 800MHz network.
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I was just at starbucks that's 100ft from a 4G tower and I was getting 2mbits/1.2mbits down/up and outside I was getting 5mbits/1.2mbits with a clear line of sight. When I had a G1 I was getting 3-4 with a max of 6 mbits in the same spot. So no, wimax doesn't work that well in the real world. I use it more than most people and it sucks about 95% of the time. Using it while you're moving is a joke too.
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I was just at starbucks that's 100ft from a 4G tower and I was getting 2mbits/1.2mbits down/up and outside I was getting 5mbits/1.2mbits with a clear line of sight. When I had a G1 I was getting 3-4 with a max of 6 mbits in the same spot. So no, wimax doesn't work that well in the real world. I use it more than most people and it sucks about 95% of the time. Using it while you're moving is a joke too.
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Was the antenna on the tower facing directly at you? how many bars did you have? what radio were you using? who provided the equipment for the tower in question? what were you using to speedtest? how far away was the server? what was the latency?
I am in NY, I get around 7mbp/sec on 2 bars, 4mb/sec on 1 bar...and as you can guess the there are a lot of interferences and a whole lot of people using 4g..so its as "real world" as it gets..
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So you know, the reason why wimax is so slow on sprint is:
1) They cap it
2) They are not using their full spectrum in the 2.5ghz band...in that band from what I read they got 30mhz spectrum and right now only using 10mhz...Verizon only has 20mhz spectrum and using it all for LTE...but they opted to use the extra 10mhz in a way that will give better speed but lower capacity...hence the tiered plans...
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Capped? From what I hear, only the upstream is capped at 1mbps, download is wide open. Clearwire (CW) also hold around 150mhz of spectrum in the 2.5ghz frequency. The problem is 2.5ghz is terrible for building penetration and it's going to cost more to setup all these addition sites to get the any decent indoor coverage. Also, even though Sprint owns majority stakes in Clearwire, how does it help Sprint, when it now looks like Sprint is getting ready to ditch Clearwire for their LTE testing?
BTW isn't CW now trying to sell some of that 150mhz of spectrum they hold to try and stay a float? I don't know how much of it is up for sale, but I don't think all this talk of spectrum will mean much of anything to the average consumer since Sprint doesn't own it, it looks like Sprint is now trying to get away from CW, and VzW has LTE up and running well on what they spectrum have.
As for FD/TD LTE, my understanding is that TD-LTE is already interoperable with FD-LTE, so it looks like Sprint is on the right track if they go TD-LTE. The only issue I see with Sprint roaming on ATT/VzW is roaming contract issues and Sprint would have to make sure they have a 700mhz radio in any LTE device, in addition to whatever frequency they plan on using for their LTE setup.
One question ... doesn't FD-LTE give better upload speed?
I have used wimax in 3 different markets now. Portland, Oregon, Las Vegas, and Philadelphia. In all three markets I would sometimes get as little as 3 mbs down but normally would get between 6 and 8. This is right in the area verizon says their lte will reside but again there is zero real world experience to prove this.
As far as roaming on lte goes it is not likely to happen. Both because all the carriers use different frequencies and because the carriers are going to want to protect their advantage in deploying 4g. From my experience wimax works great and lte has not yet been tested.
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I'm in NYC as well. The antennas are omnidirectional, 3 bars, stock, clearwire?, tethered laptop and speedtest app on phone, NY so pretty close, anywhere from 70ms to 150ms. The second you step inside any building signal drops at least 1 to 2 bars. Wimax is a gimmick to me and I don't think it'll succeed once more reliable technologies (possibly LTE) become implemented.
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Was the antenna on the tower facing directly at you? how many bars did you have? what radio were you using? who provided the equipment for the tower in question? what were you using to speedtest? how far away was the server? what was the latency?
I am in NY, I get around 7mbp/sec on 2 bars, 4mb/sec on 1 bar...and as you can guess the there are a lot of interferences and a whole lot of people using 4g..so its as "real world" as it gets..
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news
Oh well.
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Unless you plan on using your EVO for the next 4-5 years , i dont think it really matters. If/when they make this move, there will be plenty of phones to come out that will support the new network. I doubt anyone will still have their EVO's /Epic's by the time this actually comes to reality.
Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
Doesn't bother me too much. Yes, I enjoy the speeds of WiMax, but the battery drain is too much of an issue.
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this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Makes sense, also could explain why we haven't heard about an EVO 2. They could be trying to figure out how to apply a triband radio up in the phone.
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i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Well obviously it wouldn't be a hackers hack it'd have to be a Sprint flash of some sort. I am not saying its even plausible more of food for thought.
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this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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Not so sure about that. WiMax currently require some form of key/pw authentication with Clear to connect. LTE on Sprint will probably require SIM cards to connect, like Metro PCS does even as CDMA network. I don't see how they (or even Sprint themselves) will get around that issue. It'd probably be as futile as trying to connect with AT&T's/Verizon's LTE network with a hacked WiMax radio.
Ok sprint will have wimax and lte dual so that good thing imaging and evo 2 with rev b for 3g 1xadvance and wimax and lte omg and being coverd with that much technology
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Good I better get my $10.00/mo back
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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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No, the TOWERS can be fairly easily converted. No phone can be unless explicitly designed for that (like Qualcomm GoBi data chips).
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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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really? that would be awesome if one of the devs can get wimax radio flashed to verizon's LTE
I hope Sprint Goes LTE - The Verizon LTE speeds look awesome
detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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with speeds under 200 kbps there is absolutely no phone in the world that would make me wanna stay with sprint.
Boy,if this is true they will be losing customers like crazy come this summer.
The story was on Engadget the other week. Technically, the Sprint network guy said it was being evaluated for six months...but with no new Wimax phones on tap for the next six months (that we know of), the conclusion will be the same at the end of six months as it is now.
If they are going to make the move, then throw the switch, and have a plan in place to get us off of our EVO's (and them off of their Epics), even if it's three months out, because then that class action thread that's out there may start looking real good and actually get five stars.
Note: If all that's needed is to switch out the baseband cards and run a firmware update, that would mean that Wimax would have to get turned off, because it's the Wimax equipment that's getting the upgrade. So this won't be a side by side Wimax/LTE network. It's either or...right???
i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
Good riddance? Wimax is a joke in my area (metro Atlanta), to this day I can barely connect to Wimax from inside my house and the coverage map "according to Sprint" shows my area lit up with Wimax. I have to stand by my second story window in my house to connect to it and the connection is "poor", Hell its poor when I go outside.
Love the phone itself though.
Dan330 said:
i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
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How so? If it's what I think...network access can be controlled just as easily on a Wimax network as on a LTE network. It's all IP traffic. Verizon just chooses to control it.
Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
omgzilla85 said:
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.
There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.
They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.
The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.
No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte
the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise
Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age
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This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.
As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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Looks like Sprint's getting ready to deploy LTE. What does everyone think?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/17/sprint-to-deploy-4g-lte-network-with-lightsquared/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/falcone-s-lightsquared-venture-reaches-a-15-year-network-deal-with-sprint.html
Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Yeah, thats what I'm worried about, I wish/hope its as easy as a change of a frequency channel.
I"m sure they will iron those wrinkles before flipping the switch.
It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
Ok, so lets say they deploy this 4g lte network... what happens to their 4g wimax network? From what little I know about wimax and lte chipsets, I dont think it would be possible for a firmware upgrade to turn wimax to lte. What happens to clear? One important thing to remember is that I didnt actually read the article so these questions may already be answered. haha.
Although, if my evo became a 3g only device, I would actually be ok with that if they drop the $10 a month surcharge
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It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
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Words straight out of my mouth.
is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
Could the new radio(SMR) thats in the evo 3d work on this frequency and be a dual wimax/lte combo?
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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here is a chart..
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
I assume any potential move to lte will address wimax's inferior latency?
Sprint end users will NOT use LTE most likely ever. Sprint (the provider service) will utilize LTE strickly for back haul only. This is a very good thing for us the end user, basically means to us that we will have lots of bandwidth on tap. Wimax offers up to 12MB d/l transport speeds which most of us probably never see anyway. I personally get 7-8 around Baltimore/Annapolis areas of Maryland and this will hopefully allows us to have the bandwidth assuming more towers are deployed for our cell connectivity. This is a very good thing for us and the sooner the better!
sounds like lte will come later on firat is evdo rev o then rev a then rev b then do then do advance then lte
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I have spoken to my sprint rep a lot about how Sprint works. He used to work for Samsung and distributed phones to carriers in the northeastern part of the united states. Because of this, he learned a lot about Sprint. One thing that he learned was that Sprint has the most bandwidth out of all the carriers, and it is one of the main reasons why theory data is truly unlimited.
Just throwing that out there.
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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It talks about Sprint using LTE in the third paragraph of the Bloomberg article.
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
Yet more money wasted on Wimax and shoveled into another bad relationship (Clearwire) Stay comfy in number 3 because you're going to be seated here a while, Sprint. At the very least they woke up and realized LTE is the way to go.
However even after Clearwire's long gone. Those who already have Wimax 4g will still be supported until after their devices are long gone. The only ones who will be bit will be the ones that should have upgraded lone ago. Like the ones today who are still carrying around Cingular phones refusing to upgrade to AT&T So at least Sprint will keep their core customers happy to an extent.
Sprint desperate to jump into the LTE iPhone train next year?
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What good is backhaul when the airwaves can't reach end users?
It's like having a download server capable of gigabit speed, along with an ISP who can deliver it to you. Except you're saddled with a 1991-vintage 10 Mbps ethernet card.
That's the problem I've been noticing with WiMAX. Sprint has one hell of a data network, but the airwaves used to deliver that network are congested and not well suited to the consumer's needs.
I wonder how likely it is that an upcoming Galaxy 2 or Photon 4G will be LTE / Wimax on Sprint...
While not Evo Shift related, but we should start seeing Sprint LTE phones late next year.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...-the-second-half-of-2012-likely-in-Q3_id24383
Let the rumors and hopes begin!
Quad core, AMOLED screen, and minimal manufacturer skinning (I know, I know, a pipe dream)
All this talk about lte, wimax, clearwire, etc. has brought me to realize I know very little about the subject. I thought 4G was 4G. Apparently there are differences. None of the carriers offer 4G where I live, the closest being verizon about 60 miles away. I guess I'm off to the world of google and wiki to do some researching.
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My Shift should last me until then.
jsp254 said:
All this talk about lte, wimax, clearwire, etc. has brought me to realize I know very little about the subject. I thought 4G was 4G. Apparently there are differences. None of the carriers offer 4G where I live, the closest being verizon about 60 miles away. I guess I'm off to the world of google and wiki to do some researching.
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actually, none of the carriers anywhere in the country offer 4G, they offer somewhat advanced 3G that they've labeled as 4G. But that's a debate for a different place.
Chances are, if you don't have "4G" now, you sure as heck won't miss it if you get a phone that has "4G" capabilities and you're in an area that isn't covered by that service. I rarely use the "4G" on my Shift, because it's 150 miles to the closest site that has it. I think that's the case for a whole lot of people with the Shift, and other "4G" phones, especially on Sprint.
The LTE service Sprint is coming out with is supposed to be put in the same locations as their 3G within a year of the beginning of the rollout, so all 3G covered areas would also have LTE in theory (or so the rumors have said). That would actually make a difference in the phones people purchase, and make that extra $10/month for the "smartphone fee" worthwhile.
It's probably worth waiting on your upgrade until next fall to get the LTE phones if you're into the more advanced phones, but Wimax will still be supported (but not likely expanded), and of course they'll still have the 3G capabilities. Personally, I haven't decided whether I'll keep my Shift past my Feb upgrade or not, it'll depend on the condition of my Shift, the device rumors I'm hearing, and of course how much money I have to upgrade. It's my last yearly upgrade, so I have to actually buy a phone that I expect to last for two years.
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actually, none of the carriers anywhere in the country offer 4G, they offer somewhat advanced 3G that they've labeled as 4G. But that's a debate for a different place.
Chances are, if you don't have "4G" now, you sure as heck won't miss it if you get a phone that has "4G" capabilities and you're in an area that isn't covered by that service. I rarely use the "4G" on my Shift, because it's 150 miles to the closest site that has it. I think that's the case for a whole lot of people with the Shift, and other "4G" phones, especially on Sprint.
The LTE service Sprint is coming out with is supposed to be put in the same locations as their 3G within a year of the beginning of the rollout, so all 3G covered areas would also have LTE in theory (or so the rumors have said). That would actually make a difference in the phones people purchase, and make that extra $10/month for the "smartphone fee" worthwhile.
It's probably worth waiting on your upgrade until next fall to get the LTE phones if you're into the more advanced phones, but Wimax will still be supported (but not likely expanded), and of course they'll still have the 3G capabilities. Personally, I haven't decided whether I'll keep my Shift past my Feb upgrade or not, it'll depend on the condition of my Shift, the device rumors I'm hearing, and of course how much money I have to upgrade. It's my last yearly upgrade, so I have to actually buy a phone that I expect to last for two years.
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I'm in the same boat and I'm waiting for Q3 2012.
I use 4G all the time and honestly can't wait to see the improvements LTE bring
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It's probably worth waiting on your upgrade until next fall to get the LTE phones if you're into the more advanced phones, but Wimax will still be supported (but not likely expanded), and of course they'll still have the 3G capabilities. Personally, I haven't decided whether I'll keep my Shift past my Feb upgrade or not, it'll depend on the condition of my Shift, the device rumors I'm hearing, and of course how much money I have to upgrade. It's my last yearly upgrade, so I have to actually buy a phone that I expect to last for two years.
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From my understanding they're re-purposing their 1900mhz band they use for 3G/Voice for LTE. Once the re-purposing is complete our phones would lose 3G/Voice functions outside of roaming on Verizon as they're relocating their 3G/Voice services to 800mhz (Verizon uses 850mhz so our 850mhz radio won't work on Sprint's 800mhz band). Hopefully they'll keep 3G/Voice on 1900mhz so they can gradually phase out their 1900mhz phones on both Sprint and Virgin Mobile. I'm not due for an upgrade until March 2013.
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I use 4G all the time and honestly can't wait to see the improvements LTE bring
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You probably won't notice a huge difference except for the amount of coverage. Comparing my WiMAX speeds to those of my friends on Verizon's LTE we're about the same speed (around 10Mbps).
I didn't know people actually use 4G. I have in here in San Antonio but never use it cause I'm always on WiFi and if I don't have that I'm probably not on my phone downloading stuff
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I use 4G whenever 3G is crapping out because it really kills my battery. I think im going to start carrying a 2nd battery.
I have 4G where I am, great at the house. Can definately tell when I switch back to 3G. Use 4G all the time and love it.
I have 4g most of the time but my wifi is much faster. For a while I was using the 4g until I could figure out who my internet provider would be at our new place. 4g is still pretty bad as I live in downtown los angeles with cell coverage that dies as soon as you walk into any building more than 100 feet.
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I just hope sprints lte has better building penetration. That's the only reason i don't use wimax much now. It drops connection so easy inside buildings if you are away from windows and takes a long time to pick it up again and while it's trying to connect or if it's dropping you get no data.
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I just hope sprints lte has better building penetration. That's the only reason i don't use wimax much now. It drops connection so easy inside buildings if you are away from windows and takes a long time to pick it up again and while it's trying to connect or if it's dropping you get no data.
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How's your 3G reception? They're re-purposing their 3G/Voice 1900mhz band for LTE so if you have crappy 3G reception most likely you'll have crappy LTE reception when it finally rolls out.