Just heard out of blue and read somewhere on the forums that some companies are planning on dualcore.
Just curious how true is that?
dude.. wrong place to ask this.
But... Yea its true. There are some 'dual core' processors out there now, but its mainly one GPU processor and a CPU processor.
Ive read somewhere that Qualcom are planning on makin a true dual core cpu ;-)
I think that they should hold off. 1Ghz is fast enough. We have not meet 2Ghz yet. In my opinion a dual core phone would be too powerful!!! But in many cases it would be a nice option. Everything would be instant and they would have to increase the nand and ram speed. Imagine, a phone with 0 lag with no matter what you do.....
think of the battery life with 2GHz processor!
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think of the battery life with 2GHz processor!
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They would probably find something more energy efficient - like the Intel N450 processors as opposed to its predecessors.
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a9.php
the processor behind every dual core chipset.
samsung announced releasing a 1ghz dual core processor for early 2011 , as well as qualcomm started shipping its 1.2 ghz dual core processor , but not yet applied on phones but is said to be in early 2011 too, but the qualcomm 1.5 was delayed for the end of 2011 , that is all the info i collected about dualcore processors
Even though I have followed dev/porting for 8 months starting with HTC Touch, I have little knowledge of how it is actually done. So here's my question to the developers.
We all know that Nexus S (2?) will have Gingerbread 2.3. Looking at the rumored specs and model number, it seems that Nexus S is a slight upgrade from Galaxy S.
Assuming most of the hardware is identical to Galaxy S, how easy is it to port 2.3 to Epic 4G, once Galaxy S becomes available?
Specifically, what is needed to bake a new 2.3 rom? Do you need to reverse engineer like what devs did on HTC WM devices? Or is it a straight port? I suspect it's somewhere in between but want to hear from you.
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The simple answer to this (which has been answered in other threads already if you looked) is no its won't be easy.
Also, the Nexus S is rumored and pretty much guaranteed to launch with a dual core processor. The rumor is that they delayed the device and gingerbread to implement this, since it will be google's new flagship device and has to be cutting edge. Everyone knows that dual core processors are set to hit the market within the first couple months of 2011 anyway, so releasing an old generation processor in a flagship google phone just makes no sense.
So no, it will not be easy to port from the Nexus S. It will not only have a completely different processor, but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
muyoso said:
but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
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I agree and think this is the bigger problem (for the Epic at least).
Sure would be nice if the folks at Google would release at one clean Google device for each carrier. I'd be on it in a heart beat.
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I agree and think this is the bigger problem (for the Epic at least).
Sure would be nice if the folks at Google would release at one clean Google device for each carrier. I'd be on it in a heart beat.
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Yes that would be nice if they did that.I am surprised they are even doing another google phone by the way it sounded when they stopped marketing the nexus 1 that had no interest in doing another google branded phone.
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Also, the Nexus S is rumored and pretty much guaranteed to launch with a dual core processor. The rumor is that they delayed the device and gingerbread to implement this, since it will be google's new flagship device and has to be cutting edge. Everyone knows that dual core processors are set to hit the market within the first couple months of 2011 anyway, so releasing an old generation processor in a flagship google phone just makes no sense.
So no, it will not be easy to port from the Nexus S. It will not only have a completely different processor, but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
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Those are just rumors, all of the official specs that have come out say it will be a 1.2ghz hummingbird. The dual core 1ghz orion chip is definitely on the horizon but I highly doubt they will be able to get it in at the last minute, and there's a good chance we won't see it in phones until late next year. All rumors of a dual core Nexus S have had no credibility with their sources.
That said, if this turns out to be a dual core phone and gingerbread turns out to be optimized for dual cores, a port will probably be very difficult. But if it's just a 1.2ghz hummingbird then it would just be a matter of getting the CDMA radio working.
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Those are just rumors, all of the official specs that have come out say it will be a 1.2ghz hummingbird. The dual core 1ghz orion chip is definitely on the horizon but I highly doubt they will be able to get it in at the last minute, and there's a good chance we won't see it in phones until late next year. All rumors of a dual core Nexus S have had no credibility with their sources.
That said, if this turns out to be a dual core phone and gingerbread turns out to be optimized for dual cores, a port will probably be very difficult. But if it's just a 1.2ghz hummingbird then it would just be a matter of getting the CDMA radio working.
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The reason that I think he has to have a dual core in it is as follows:
If it has a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, BFD. It immediately launches and is mediocre. Nothing exciting at all about it.
If it launches as the first dual core phone, it is the top of the line phone worthy of being branded as a Google flagship device.
Also, if it just had a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, what is the holdup? It is no different from phones released months ago. Also, if its a 1.2 Ghz processor, it will be eclipsed within a matter of a month or two performance wise by Tegra 2 and dual core snapdragon processors. Basically, it would be an embarassing flagship device. The original Nexus is still to this day a damn good phone that is near the top of the pack of android phones performance wise, and it is a year old.
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The reason that I think he has to have a dual core in it is as follows:
If it has a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, BFD. It immediately launches and is mediocre. Nothing exciting at all about it.
If it launches as the first dual core phone, it is the top of the line phone worthy of being branded as a Google flagship device.
Also, if it just had a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, what is the holdup? It is no different from phones released months ago. Also, if its a 1.2 Ghz processor, it will be eclipsed within a matter of a month or two performance wise by Tegra 2 and dual core snapdragon processors. Basically, it would be an embarassing flagship device. The original Nexus is still to this day a damn good phone that is near the top of the pack of android phones performance wise, and it is a year old.
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You are fully aware the the Tegra 2 do not even exceed the hummingbird in gpu or cpu performance right? Im just saying cause it would suck if you didn't know what you're talking about.
Plus gingerbread will have HW acceleration, putting gpu performance on a step for the overall fluidity of the gui. So again... what's faster?
Really? I assumed it would greatly ourperform. Where did u get your facts.
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Really? I assumed it would greatly ourperform. Where did u get your facts.
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I'm trying to find the article again, but i know they were close but Tegra 2 did not outperform the hummingbird. Apparently now they optimized the platform more.
Don't get me wrong i love nvidia, that's all i've purchased and stayed with them even thou they still dont have a decent dx11 card that doesnt need 2 power supplies. But they really need to step up and their CEO needs to wattch what he says and deliver more.
Here's a quote "On the 3D side, Nvidia says it has doubled the performance of the initial Tegra, resulting in a peak speed of 90 million triangles per second. This level is well beyond the performance of any mobile processor shipping or even sampling today." Hummingbird has the same exact performance. And CPU performance is a very interesting area. Anyway the GPU performance is almost par with the Hummingbird leading maybe by 3-5%
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I'm trying to find the article again, but i know they were close but Tegra 2 did not outperform the hummingbird. Apparently now they optimized the platform more.
Don't get me wrong i love nvidia, that's all i've purchased and stayed with them even thou they still dont have a decent dx11 card that doesnt need 2 power supplies. But they really need to step up and their CEO needs to wattch what he says and deliver more.
Here's a quote "On the 3D side, Nvidia says it has doubled the performance of the initial Tegra, resulting in a peak speed of 90 million triangles per second. This level is well beyond the performance of any mobile processor shipping or even sampling today." Hummingbird has the same exact performance. And CPU performance is a very interesting area. Anyway the GPU performance is almost par with the Hummingbird leading maybe by 3-5%
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Since Tegra 2 is dual core and android does not have 2 core support till Gingerbread (Actually I don't think it even supports cortex A9 till gingerbread)..so if they ran 1 core vs 1 core I'd see a hummingbird win against a Tegra 2..but if Tegra 2 is running dual core (and optimized for it) it should win...but by that analogy Orion would then be superior.
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Since Tegra 2 is dual core and android does not have 2 core support till Gingerbread (Actually I don't think it even supports cortex A9 till gingerbread)..so if they ran 1 core vs 1 core I'd see a hummingbird win against a Tegra 2..but if Tegra 2 is running dual core (and optimized for it) it should win...but by that analogy Orion would then be superior.
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Not to mention that Tegra 2 does 1080P video recording. So yes, releasing a google flagship phone that within one month is eclipsed by LG with the first Tegra 2 phone, would be embarrassing. The Nexus 1 set the standard for almost a year, before the Galaxy S line came out. If the Nexus 2 can only set the standard for under a month, that would be stupid. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that the rumors of the Nexus S having a dual core are most likely true. Doesn't mean it has to be the Orion, but it would be awesome if it was.
Tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 CPU... as is the Samsung Orion and the TI OMAP4xxx chips. They accomplish 2.5 instructions per MHz as opposed to the 2 instructions per MHz in the Cortex A8 Hummingbird, and that's not counting improvements to instruction efficiency (getting more done with less instructions.) Add to that improvements such as out of order instruction handling and dual-channel memory support and Cortex A9 chips are head and shoulders above Cortex A8.
The only reason Tegra 2 wouldn't outperform Hummingbird significantly is, as mentioned, lack of dual-core support in current builds of Android, and the nVidia GPU which is, surprisingly, only just about on par with Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540.
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Tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 CPU... as is the Samsung Orion and the TI OMAP4xxx chips. They accomplish 2.5 instructions per MHz as opposed to the 2 instructions per MHz in the Cortex A8 Hummingbird, and that's not counting improvements to instruction efficiency (getting more done with less instructions.) Add to that improvements such as out of order instruction handling and dual-channel memory support and Cortex A9 chips are head and shoulders above Cortex A8.
The only reason Tegra 2 wouldn't outperform Hummingbird significantly is, as mentioned, lack of dual-core support in current builds of Android, and the nVidia GPU which is, surprisingly, only just about on par with Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540.
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OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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I'm not sure that triangles per second is accurate to describe performance.
Still, if you want an article:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
The Hummingbird has memory bandwidth limitations that I don't think the Tegra 250 will. Lets wait and see.
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OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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Here's the facts dude, and try to get this; Tegra2 does not, in fact, suck. You just posted a video of it being benchmarked on a netbook running Android 2.1 which cannot make full use of Tegra2's dual-core CPU. Secondly, neocore is a GPU test, not a CPU test. We already discussed the fact that the Tegra2 GPU is only just about on par with the SGX540. Thirdly, that test is being run at a signifcantly higher resolution than a mobile device would run, and frankly, considering this, the score isn't bad.
Fail, man, fail.
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I'm not sure that triangles per second is accurate to describe performance.
Still, if you want an article:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
The Hummingbird has memory bandwidth limitations that I don't think the Tegra 250 will. Lets wait and see.
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I would also like to point out that I wrote the article that sauron0101 just linked. It's also posted on my blog (linked in my signature) posted back in March. Tegra2 does feature dual-channel memory support as part of the Cortex A9 architecture, which is a significant advantage.
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I would also like to point out that I wrote the article that sauron0101 just linked. It's also posted on my blog (linked in my signature) posted back in March. Tegra2 does feature dual-channel memory support as part of the Cortex A9 architecture, which is a significant advantage.
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Any idea how fast the other Arm Cortex A9s are compared to the 250?
- We know that the SGX540 will be in the TI OMAP 4 series; probably not bandwidth limited - I am surprised that they did not opt for the SGX545
- The Samsung Orion series has Mail 400 (unknown performance)
- The Snapdragon (A8 unless Qualcomm opts to keep the name "Snapdragon for its A9 CPUs) will have a new generation of Adreno 300 graphics
Unknown if we will see this on mobile
- Marvell also has a new SOC
Also interesting is Samsung's Netbook roadmap, which uses the same SOCs on a phone:
Sorry if all of this is a bit off topic, but it is worth looking at what everyone has.
Edit: Qualcomm is keeping the Snapdragon name for the A9 processors.
Does no one see i was talking about Gpu perfomance? That's what's gonna matter in Gingerbread. And that's running 1024x600 on that res Galaxy tab is around 53 fps. It's the same thing that Vista started doing with HW accel so u understand.
http://theandroidsite.com/2010/12/1...r-on-the-market-according-to-glbenchmark-2-0/
Thought this was pretty cool information
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The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.
Yea the Tegra chipset will blow everything out of the water . I do like the Hummingbird processor though
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The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.
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No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...
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No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...
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Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".
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Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
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I actually researched this info back before CTIA when the Hummingbird was first announced...but I do remember stumbling upon your article here and there.
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".
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Even with 2.3 optimizations I do not think an old 1st gen 65nm Snapdragon will outperform a Hummingbird mhz for mhz..the newer 2nd gen ones are another story.
But yeah, optimizations from the Nexus S would be sweet..while I was hoping for an Orion CPU, I am quite happy they chose the same CPU as ours, this will help development a lot...
Next Snapdragon CPU: 2.5GHz, 75% Less Power
Samsung made headlines last week when it promised a 2GHz smartphone CPU for 2012. It wasn’t long ago that such a thing didn’t even seem possible, and the news sparked plenty of conversations about how fast the industry is moving. However, it seems Samsung’s lofty promise has already been outdone by Qualcomm, which is planning new single, dual and quad core Snapdragons that will reach clock speeds 2.5GHz.
A leaked Qualcomm presentation details the company’s plans for its next-generation Snapdragon processors, the MSM8270, MSM8930 and MSM8960 processors, and the APQ8064. Electronista reports that these chips are expected to be as much as five times faster than their predecessors in raw CPU power with four times faster graphics and "console quality gaming." The slides, first posted by MobileTechWorld, also detail 1080p video playback on tablets and other large display devices, stereoscopic 3D capture and playback, and support for 7.1 Dolby, and a 20-megapixel camera.
All of the CPUs are expected to sample before the end of the year but don’t expect to see any products until 2012 at the earliest.
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Since both the EVO 4G and 3D are using the same brand of processor I think its safe to assume it will also use this next gen processor. I suppose this is good news for those who can't upgrade to the EVO3D this year. There is always something better around the bend.
I would love to see video game benchmark videos for this cpu.
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the quad cores are a long ways away, but these new Dual cores, possibly running at 2.0 Ghz are going to be insane. The "console gaming" graphics are probably being a little overrated when described that way...
Anyways your in the wrong section, someone move this to Evo 3D discussion
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the quad cores are a long ways away, but these new Dual cores, possibly running at 2.0 Ghz are going to be insane. The "console gaming" graphics are probably being a little overrated when described that way...
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This is with newest Adreno on the EVO3D
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Anyways your in the wrong section, someone move this to Evo 3D discussion
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I made this thread to be read by those who still have the EVO4G that are not eligible for the upgrade when the EVO3D is released.
Funny cause my laptop has a 1.6 GHz.
I wonder how long the gap between Desktop CPUs and Phone CPUs will close.
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I wonder how long the gap between Desktop CPUs and Phone CPUs will close.
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A while. Even though the numbers may be similar the architecture is no where near the same.
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the quad cores are a long ways away, but these new Dual cores, possibly running at 2.0 Ghz are going to be insane. The "console gaming" graphics are probably being a little overrated when described that way...
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Um, not all that far off...
Eight cores, in a mobile processor? Balderdash! But according to EETimes, that's just what Samsung's planning on unveiling in February at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference (that sounds so exciting).
Now before you get too excited, this isn't - technically speaking - an eight-core processor. It's a dual quad-core, which is to say, a two-processor chip. The design is based on a reference architecture thought up by ARM themselves, dubbed "big.little," and is designed to combine the light-load battery life of a high-efficiency quad-core 28nm ARM A7 chip with a super-hi-po A15 processor for heavy lifting. The exact specifications, for our nerdier readers, are: 1 quad-core ARM A7 chip clocked at 1.2GHz for everyday tasks, and 1 quad-core ARM A15 chip clocked at 1.8GHz w/ 2MB L2 cache for processor-intensive tasks like video games.
ARM itself has said the "big.little" project is delivering benefits beyond those expected when the architecture was initially announced, and Samsung's chip should be the first on the market based on the concept. So yes, this will be a new Exynos of some sort.
Should you expect this chip in the Galaxy S IV (or whatever Samsung's going to call it - because that's far from a given)? It's possible, but not necessarily likely. The gap between chip announcement and tape-out (mass-production readiness) can be lengthy. With the first batch of Exynos 5 Dual devices just now hitting the market in the form of the new Samsung Chromebook and Nexus 10, this eight-core beast may not be ready in time for the next "next big thing." Samsung could very well specifically be targeting this chip for Chromebooks and Windows RT / Android tablets before taking a dive into smaller form factors, too.
Either way, it's exciting business - I can't say I ever tire of technology getting faster.
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to be honest lately i have started to lose interest in Samsung due to the whole exynos issue and lack of support for developers but if this is to be true then i feel comfortable in making my next device a Samsung (only with this chip ovcourse) lets hope we see this chip come to more devices if it is infact released we will have to wait and see what samsung brings us in 2013 to decide if our loyalty to samsung is acctually worth it
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What relavance to the S3 does this have??? Nothing. Keep it in the General section not the S3 General section...
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Not excited. Most apps today are optimized for single and dual cores, rarely on quad. And now octal??
Well if you read its not a true 8 core processor. It is two CPU's both quad core. One being an A15 @1.8GHz and the other an A7 @1.2GHz
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Yes and Intel working on a 48 core chip.
Also it doesn't matter if the application you are running isn't designed for multi cores, most of the time this isn't even possible. People are still forgetting that one application isn't EVERYTHING that runs on a CPU, there are a lot of processes that run at the same time and thus benefit from multi core architecture.
Someone please move this useless thread.
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Well if you read its not a true 8 core processor. It is two CPU's both quad core. One being an A15 @1.8GHz and the other an A7 @1.2GHz
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It's still a octa-core if you want to be anal about the definition, one of the hacks in kernels with this device SoC will be to run all cores in asymmetric multiprocessor modes.
But anyway the timing coincides with the 5450 rumors we've been hearing. Either they have two discrete quad A15 SoCs or they're both the same thing.
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It's still a octa-core if you want to be anal about the definition, one of the hacks in kernels with this device SoC will be to run all cores in asymmetric multiprocessor modes.
But anyway the timing coincides with the 5450 rumors we've been hearing. Either they have two discrete quad A15 SoCs or they're both the same thing.
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Wow that sounds super exciting. Great piece of info. Now its time for google to really optimize android for multi core processors
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Yes and Intel working on a 48 core chip.
Also it doesn't matter if the application you are running isn't designed for multi cores, most of the time this isn't even possible. People are still forgetting that one application isn't EVERYTHING that runs on a CPU, there are a lot of processes that run at the same time and thus benefit from multi core architecture.
Someone please move this useless thread.
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The 48 core chip intel now intel has started as a multi core gpu , they started designing it as larabee gpu which later turned into the product which is released right now .sadly its not destined for desktop but for high performance computing.
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