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about the DK05 leak wasn't about monopoly

he is lying about the whole thing. i did not give it to people i liked...
i only gave it to people that developed for the epic and people that they trust weather i liked it or not.
I gave firon the leak of dj29 then whodaman & firon decided to leak it without my approval a week later... they have the power to leak froyo without me approving that .. it take time to test froyo.. i assure you that guy that leaked it is not a developer or a tester..
thanks the mods for closing the thread of the dk05 leak because flashing the leak is NOT SAFE!
i just don't want people bricking their phone and yes it has a signature. don't take word for it my source confirmed it..
the closed leak lasted for a week before it became out of control..

Good to know that bro!
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noobnl said:
he is lying about the whole thing. i did not give it to people i liked...
i only gave it to people that developed for the epic and people that they trust weather i liked it or not.
I gave firon the leak of dj29 then whodaman & firon decided to leak it without my approval a week later... they have the power to leak froyo without me approving that .. it take time to test froyo.. i assure you that guy that leaked it is not a developer or a tester..
thanks the mods for closing the thread of the dk05 leak because flashing the leak is NOT SAFE!
i just don't want people bricking their phone and yes it has a signature. don't take word for it my source confirmed it..
the closed leak lasted for a week before it became out of control..
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I agree it wasnt posted by many people who had it for a REASON as to prevent problems and people getting BRICKED or not flashing properly.
Sit back and think about how long the leak has been out do you all really think that if it was WORTHY of being let out to the masses it would have taken so long? No it would have been posted as a rom for mass consumption REALLY Fast....
BUYERS BEWARE

noobnl said:
the closed leak lasted for a week before it became out of control..
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I think the epic forums are out of control. As someone stated, we should all be helping eachother.
I just see noob has done a lot of amazing work for the epic, people should be grateful & all they do talk garbage & complain. I should just get my evo back & leave all this behind.

rjmjr69 said:
I agree it wasnt posted by many people who had it for a REASON as to prevent problems and people getting BRICKED or not flashing properly.
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That explains why the modem was not released. Now why wasn't the rom released?
I think the epic forums are out of control. As someone stated, we should all be helping eachother.
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They absolutely are.

I tested DJ29 for about a week and found it was good enough for a release. DK05 bricked my modem, so I didn't consider it safe.
The ROM was -probably- okay to release, but the modem is not.
It was not held back for fame or any bull**** like that.

There are too many trolls on these forums who obviously don't understand the time and patience it takes to make things like this possible.
I appreciate all the hard work you've done noob, and firon.
I really wish I had the knowledge to participate, but my time will come

halfcourtshoes said:
I think the epic forums are out of control.
I should just get my evo back & leave all this behind.
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You are dead right on this one. The Epic side of the house is unbelievably bad. Not only are things slow, at no fault to anyone here, but there is WAY too much bickering in these threads. I go to the threads concerning my EVO and love it. I come here and am continually caught off guard by the way folks are. Either way, I want my Epic to stay my main phone, so I keep coming back.

Any one know what the "phone,orange triangle and little computer" mean. I fear I bricked my phone. I can't even get into download mode now. WHen I press 1 and power up the charging battery comes on the screen. Thanks for trying to keep this from happening. This the first time I have bricked a phone in many years. Guess ut was bound to happen at some point.

Why not just release the rom + modem with a disclaimer that it may brick your phone and require an Odin flash? Also, the safety net Odin represents in itself, I think, nullifies any danger from bricking.
And another thing; don't send things to people over the internet and expect them to stay secret.

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Either way, I want my Epic to stay my main phone, so I keep coming back.
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Lol, that's my problem. I love my Epic, so I just skim through the bickering & hang around. No offense but a lot of it does seem about egos & fame, but I understand what goes into being a dev & it is nice to have recognition for your work. But at the same time it's not safe to release stuff not ready for the primetime because everyday average users looking for a better phone experience will just end up bricking their phones. & like I said, everything noob has put out has been quality work & I've never had a problem with any of it. just my two cents.

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Any one know what the "phone,orange triangle and little computer" mean. I fear I bricked my phone. I can't even get into download mode now. WHen I press 1 and power up the charging battery comes on the screen. Thanks for trying to keep this from happening. This the first time I have bricked a phone in many years. Guess ut was bound to happen at some point.
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Pull the battery and try again.

ptfdmedic said:
Any one know what the "phone,orange triangle and little computer" mean. I fear I bricked my phone. I can't even get into download mode now. WHen I press 1 and power up the charging battery comes on the screen. Thanks for trying to keep this from happening. This the first time I have bricked a phone in many years. Guess ut was bound to happen at some point.
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Hm. What you're describing sounds like you have the phone plugged in while you're trying to enter Download mode, which isn't very effective. Try plugging it out first.

Anyway we can have you guys upload DK17 at least for us to flash or odin? I can wait for the final modem...jjst want an up to date rom.

vgambit said:
Why not just release the rom + modem with a disclaimer that it may brick your phone and require an Odin flash? Also, the safety net Odin represents in itself, I think, nullifies any danger from bricking.
And another thing; don't send things to people over the internet and expect them to stay secret.
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Because despite all the warnings in the world people who should not touch things of this nature WILL and then a storm of accusations and mad people will hit the forums... What ever happened to being a MAN OF YOUR WORD? thats the beef
DONT SEND THINGS ON THE NET??? Guess you certainly would not be trust worthy

vgambit said:
Hm. What you're describing sounds like you have the phone plugged in while you're trying to enter Download mode, which isn't very effective. Try plugging it out first.
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Pull the battery and try again.
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Thanks guys. I'm not sure what was happening but I finally got it to work. Back up and running. I pulled the battery walked away and tried again and it worked.
Defiantly waiting for the ok from the people in the "know" before trying this again. Thanks for trying to protect us from ourselves. LOL

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Because despite all the warnings in the world people who should not touch things of this nature WILL and then a storm of accusations and mad people will hit the forums... What ever happened to being a MAN OF YOUR WORD? thats the beef
DONT SEND THINGS ON THE NET??? Guess you certainly would not be trust worthy
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Very well put. I am ok waiting. I don't think it's some big conspiracy. I feel better knowing that the newer radios seem to fix the gps. Now we just need to make it safer to use. Until then I'll just pull up a chair, crack open a beer and roast some marshmallows courtesy of all the flames. Anyone care to join? lol

I'm not getting dragged into another fight on here, the **** with Hero was bad enough, but I will say a few things on this issue.
1. Odin gives a safety net, and it works well.
2. The modem is safe, so long as you're competent enough to flash it right. Thats not a shot at anyone who got a brick from it, but it works fine for me and many people who flashed it successfully.
3. This ROM is essentially **** anyway. I had one of the early leaks of it, and I went back to DJ29. The music player has issues, there are UI bugs in the launcher, the camera & flashlight APIs are broken for everything but the stock camera app, and there's still the lag issue on unlock. This is all straight off a wipe as well, so it isn't that.
4. Sometimes it isn't good to give everything to the public. I don't agree with keeping it in a secret little circle for devs, but sometimes things NEED to be tested and cleaned up before they can be given to the public.
5. As for the whole thing that it was a lie that there are tags from the source in the ROM, I'm not aware of everything, but I have found a few myself. All pointing to one Korean name, who built the ROM originally, and it's the same name as on the DJ29 leaks. I'm sure you're smart enough to find it. Does that mean he leaked it? No, but it is still a liability for him and his career because it was built on his machine & probably by him as well. Some people on here are just selfish and don't realize that their craving for the latest and greatest could cost someone their job.
There. I'm done.

This is exactly why the Epic community is not progessing as fast as the Evo community, the leaks don't get put into the right hands. And progress haults, I understand your concern about bricks but maybe you should post a thread with a request for people to Close beta test and perhaps create an application that can be filled out and submitted via PM to the person in control of the leak, this could help the rom fall into the correct hands that can test and verify a rom.
Thank you.

Well when you released dj29 he lost his job then

I won't even try to install froyo on my rooted epic

It sounds really complicated and risky, and some of the posts I've read seem to indicate that wifi tether might not work after installing froyo. I can live without flash on my phone, but wifi tether is my only at home source of internt and there's no way I'm paying Sprint's greedy asses thirty bucks a month for something android's capable of doing for free.
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Yorebuttrules said:
It sounds really complicated and risky, and some of the posts I've read seem to indicate that wifi tether might not work after installing froyo. I can live without flash on my phone, but wifi tether is my only at home source of internt and there's no way I'm paying Sprint's greedy asses thirty bucks a month for something android's capable of doing for free.
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Its really not that difficult. Just backup your phone (boot into clockwork>backup+restore>backup), flash the new PIT+modem through Odin, and install quantumROM (or any other rom) from zip on SD through clockwork. No issues for me here. ^,^
Plus, you can always restore if something goes wrong or flash to stock and restore the data from your backup.

I'm pretty new to android and I was kinda worried at first as well, but seriously its not hard at all. I cringed when I first rooted my evo and now on to my epic and I'm not scared at all now. Rooting my phone was the best thing I've done to it and I don't regret trying. I know there are "risks" involved but as long as you read and follow the instructions posted in literally every post then you'll be fine. And flashing to froyo was way easier than I thought. I was gonna stay on 2.1 till the official 2.2 release came out but I can't leave stuff alone. And it was super easy! Odin worked exactly as described and flashing roms is a simple process. You just have to read and read again. So have fun and happy modding.
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Yorebuttrules said:
It sounds really complicated and risky, and some of the posts I've read seem to indicate that wifi tether might not work after installing froyo. I can live without flash on my phone, but wifi tether is my only at home source of internt and there's no way I'm paying Sprint's greedy asses thirty bucks a month for something android's capable of doing for free.
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Nothing risky about it just need the capability of following simple step by step directions (seeming to become a rarity today). Most the people on here should have crapped their pants in the early days of android flashing SPLs to load roms that would have a high probability of bricking the phone requiring a JTAG repair to get working again.

konaman said:
I'm pretty new to android and I was kinda worried at first as well, but seriously its not hard at all. I cringed when I first rooted my evo and now on to my epic and I'm not scared at all now. Rooting my phone was the best thing I've done to it and I don't regret trying. I know there are "risks" involved but as long as you read and follow the instructions posted in literally every post then you'll be fine. And flashing to froyo was way easier than I thought. I was gonna stay on 2.1 till the official 2.2 release came out but I can't leave stuff alone. And it was super easy! Odin worked exactly as described and flashing roms is a simple process. You just have to read and read again. So have fun and happy modding.
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I'm begging you to please not encourage him. I promise this will be a much happier place without him :~)
To the OP, you are correct in saying this is risky business. Enjoy your Epic in its stock form as it is already an excellent phone. Wait till your official upgrade comes out very soon and just enjoy!
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drago009 said:
You are a ***** and we dont care!
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Though the OP is not ready for the world we have indulged in, there is no reason to use that language and offend others. I'm sure we all have doubted in the past to do something.
At his pace and time he will join us and step up to the challenge. PLEASE refrain your language!
- SFC Megabite
"Perfection is my life goal, excellence will be tolerated, WHOA!"

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Also, I cleaned up the thread. If you have nothing useful to add to the OP's message, don't reply.

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Also, I cleaned up the thread. If you have nothing useful to add to the OP's request, don't reply.
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request? I don't see a request from the OP, just him stating that he thinks it is risky to flash 2.2.1 and we were telling him why we didn't think it was risky. Is the forum getting so controlling that an opinion related directly to an OP's post is labeled invalid??? My post didn't call him any names or make fun of him, just stated that its a developers forum, not for people who can't live without problems.
This place gets crazier every day.

[Link] Sometimes root isnt the answer

http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
This should be stickied in every android forum here. Im not rooted, and i totally agree with this post.
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just being able to run ad blocker for games is enough reason for me

I think this all boils down to 2 things:
1) patience
2) intentions
You have to read up and study about rooting. Even though geniuses here and in other places have made it so relatively easy, no amount of relative ease will help someone who isn't detail-oriented, logical and methodical.
But the 2nd bit, intentions, is even more important. Rooting for its own sake is just stupid. In my case, I needed it for a reason never necessary for my old Touch Pro: roaming. On the TP, all I needed to do was install a CAB file. On Android and Sprint, root access was needed. All the other things I can do while rooted are just gravy. Mighty delicious and addicting gravy, but nevertheless gravy. ^_^

zanderman112 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
This should be stickied in every android forum here. Im not rooted, and i totally agree with this post.
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While I agree with the post, I am not sure you read it, it doesn't exactly agree with what you, it just talks about why people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't do something that could potentially brick their phone just to do it.

063_XOBX said:
While I agree with the post, I am not sure you read it, it doesn't exactly agree with what you, it just talks about why people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't do something that could potentially brick their phone just to do it.
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I did read it. And I payed attention. Lol. What I meant to say was, that this is one of the reasons I haven't rooted, I'm not good enough with pc's to do it. And even if I did manage to root succesfully, I wouldn't dare try flashing things and such. I'm all for making this phone better, but only with the things I'm comfortable with. When I upgrade to another phone in the future, I might start messin with this one for the experience, then I might do it on my current phone, whatever it may be.
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I personally don't *need* root. It does make a few things possible that I find useful, such as a permanent minfree mod, being able to store a few pictures in the system space for use as homescreen icons that don't take forever to show up after the phone boots, and actually replacing system apps with upgrades rather than taking up space on my data partition. I could easily survive without those things.
I completely agree that there are people that should not root, should not run custom roms, etc., and I see them regularly here and elsewhere. Much like that article says, they are not (necessarily) stupid, they just don't have the proper mindset.
When I see people posting things like "I don't see update.zip, I just see update" I cringe and start thinking that there should be a computer competency exam necessary to allow even the minimal "hacking" involved in things like rooting and roms.

JMMusic said:
When I see people posting things like "I don't see update.zip, I just see update" I cringe and start thinking that there should be a computer competency exam necessary to allow even the minimal "hacking" involved in things like rooting and roms.
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Make it happen lol
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+1 on the part about benchmarks. Maybe my usage is just minimal and simplistic compared to those who do it, but I just cannot understand why people benchmark phones (except maybe for graphical benchmarks to see what gaming performance might be like) or try to overclock from 1ghz to 1.2 or even 1.4 ghz. I just don't understand exactly what the point is, when the phone is (generally) fast enough to begin with.

Because you can.........
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TWO515TY said:
+1 on the part about benchmarks. Maybe my usage is just minimal and simplistic compared to those who do it, but I just cannot understand why people benchmark phones (except maybe for graphical benchmarks to see what gaming performance might be like) or try to overclock from 1ghz to 1.2 or even 1.4 ghz. I just don't understand exactly what the point is, when the phone is (generally) fast enough to begin with.
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Why buy a sports car? I mean a Corolla is fast enough for most use. Why get a 6 core desktop with 32gigabytes of RAM?
The real question is: If you want it then why not?
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I agree with the post. My wife is perfectly happy with her phone stock. Not me. I like to try new stuff and play around.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

I've helped plenty of people out who had no idea what they were doing now they edit xmls and smali on the regular. What some people need is a one on one in something like an irc so they can be reassured after each step and after the first round of flashing their comfort level and confidence greatly improve. To most people with these phones this is the first time they ever did any computer related mods in their life but they don't necessarily need to wrote off as to dumb to root
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Why buy a sports car? I mean a Corolla is fast enough for most use. Why get a 6 core desktop with 32gigabytes of RAM?
The real question is: If you want it then why not?
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Well I kind of understand what you're saying, but I don't really agree with your analogies. The car one is harder to fit because a lot of people buy sports cars for the look or the name, or whatever other features here and there that the Corrolla may not have. Even still, driving habits, location and so may other factors play into whether to get a sports car or a cheap sedan like the Corolla.
Overclocking your phone doesn't really compare because we're talking about taking what we already have (Corolla, sports car, or otherwise) and then modifying it for what is usally a minimum increase in performance. If your car has a 300 hp engine and you upgrade it to 350 hp, but don't drive it any differently than when you had 300 hp, what was the point of upgrading it?
And idk who has 32gb of RAM for regular desktop use, but most people who overclock their PC's can see a finite, tangible increase in performance. I'm on syndicaterom 1.1.0 which can scale up to 1.3 ghz. However, I would never notice the difference between 1 ghz and 1.3 ghz because 1 ghz is already more than fast enough for all of the things I do on my phone, and more than likely for the things that most, if not all people do on their phones. Most of the time, it seems like it's more for the theory and bragging rights. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I just don't see why people overclock and then benchmark their phones for non-gaming applications. To each his own I suppose.

Um. Tethering mostly. And also titanium backup.
Ill be it. I'm NOT a computer genius but imnot an idiot. I can root and whatever just fine and things work out eventually. So that's good. Still want to do ec05 and genocide 1.0 though... but yeah..
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Yeah... The author of that editorial should say that to the Indulge users' faces.

Lol, did he really say this should be stickied on every android forum here?? Oh no he didn't! That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol. Is that not what this forum is all about?? This is XDA Developers right? This is about developing new ideas for these devices that we feel are needed, wanted, or just for fun. These devices are capable of so much more than just stock gives us and we are here to unlock those possibilties. Guess what, a lot of these depend on root, or gaining Superuser permissions. The guy who wrote the arcticle sounded to me like he was just tired of noobs not paying attention or studying before the exam.
The rooting process really can't get any easier. If you could read instructions, download a file and find a button on your keyboard you can root. The problems are caused after you take the wheel of the rooted device and aren't educated enough on how to drive it after you turn off autopilot! But that's why these wonderful forums are here right?

Hypnotic2010 said:
That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol.
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The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.

k0nane said:
The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.
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You have no idea how many times I have had to bite my tongue on this forum... like the kids these days sayin 'no homo', they might as well add 'yes homophobe'. that and the 1488's in usernames... I just try to keep my mouth shut (completely contradictory to my nature) unless someone is using that ignorance in a way that needs to be addressed. The above statement is such, even if you are puerto rican, nobody knows that here on the interwebs... so you could be reinforcing racism in one of the impressionable kids here, when the only impression that should be made is a boot on the racists head.
Support your local ARA. (AFA in the UK/Europe)

Well here is the thing..the article mentions the Thunderbolt..and HTC is stepping it up taking things more annoying...for us though we got Odin, which is pretty good and simple at being a backup tool...
If a user is inexperienced and is afraid to mess up I just point them to EB13 tool and then update.zip to EC05 and they are back to normal...
That said out of curiosity..has anyone ever bricked their epic rooting? I mean I know on other phones rooting can brick...but I'v heard many people messing up and never heard of anyone bricking...but maybe I missed something...anyone see someone brick just by rooting?

Spot on
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I've helped plenty of people out who had no idea what they were doing now they edit xmls and smali on the regular. What some people need is a one on one in something like an irc so they can be reassured after each step and after the first round of flashing their comfort level and confidence greatly improve. To most people with these phones this is the first time they ever did any computer related mods in their life but they don't necessarily need to wrote off as to dumb to root
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Good reply Dreams,thats how i feel live and learn.
I have walked many people through rooting the epic the first time.
Now they are more advanced, and the community is better for it.

Why are you afraid to root your Wifi Xoom?

I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.

How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.

I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.

VaKo said:
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
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True, that's unappealing...just when it's perfect you have to wipe and then you have to set it up again. I used to worry more about that but now that I've had to set-up again about 5 or 6 times I've become a master at doing it quickly and better than before. I totally love having root...wouldn't do it any other way.

I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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chbennett said:
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.

Charlie_Don't_Surf said:
I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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undervolting each freq by 125mV is way to good to pass up
no way would I ever use stock

It's just not the right time. I wait until a "real" custom rom comes out.

What for? I can use my SD card if I need to. Which I don't. Got 3.2 a couple of days ago. If I want to play with roms and overclocking I have my phone rooted. But for now I don't need it.
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Really?
crisisinthecity said:
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.

KerryG said:
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
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Good point. Any more reasons?

newskate9 said:
For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.

I Agree
I cannot imagine using any of my android devices without at least su file capabilities

crisisinthecity said:
It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.

Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.

Cielmerlion said:
Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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This is great because it says that people love the Xoom right out of the box, or fresh from the stock update.
As I said, having experienced both, I will choose the ability to truly customize to my hearts content. But for those who are happy with plain vanilla, enjoy!

chbennett said:
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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+1 I have no reason to root.
the speed, battery life, etc. etc. are all fine for what I use it for - nothing heavy - just a replacement for browsing the web and a few games like angry birds
Charlie_Don't_Surf said:
I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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there's no real custom roms out that give you any benefit to flashing a new rom, and I am on 3.2 - not even put an sdcard in the xoom yet.
all movies/tv shows are streamed direct to TV or to Xoom via Plex, so i dont need extra space to store movies,
I only have the wifi version so i dont need space for travelling around with 3g.
the only time I may need more space and thus an sdcard would be if i go on holiday and want to take a few films on the sd - but even in a readonly state i can do that by loading films onto an sd and sticking it in now...
my only grief was that motorola were taking an aeon to push out any updates to the UK image I had on - but flashing the US fixed that and I decided I dont need to go any further down the rooting process... I'm happy - surely that's the best way to be

newskate9 said:
Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
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I was basically trying to get some conversations started as to why and why not to root the WiFi xoom so people on this forum understand where the other team is coming from. Thought this thread title and my choice of words would draw some good debate. And it would keep the debate here and not all over the forum.
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I get what people are saying here, if you're happy with what you've got then by all means you should stick to it. No-one should be telling you what to like.
However, I do support the OP. If you are NOT happy with what you've got but there is a fix for it, why not just apply the fix instead of complaining?

crisisinthecity said:
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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I for one am too new to Android to root my Xoom. I have a G2x phone. It has a one step Root method and a one step Recovery method. I'm ok with that. But looking at all the ABD steps and the instructions on how to make them work....I feel its too complicated for a limited return at this time.
If someone put together the Bible of rooting the Xoom, that does NOT begin with , " This assumes you have an understanding of xxx", then maybe I would...
I took the Xoom out of the box...I want to Root, do this, then this, then this. Include what needs to be installed, what to type, etc, etc.
If that sounds whiney...so what, you asked.

Root

Has it been made possible to root 2.3.4 as of late?
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No. Only downgrading will work. IMO, gingerbread for our phone will never achieve full root and S-off... But I had to downgrade and its not that hard! Go here to downgrade. good luck.
Thanks if I helped

Lol u like your thanks dont you
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Yup.
10 char

Im thinking by the time I get all this downgrading, rooting,and flashing.....ill be due for my upgrade and rockin my sgs2
I originally had the vibrant but broke it aonth ago and am now using a friends backup phone....I learned to temp root this thing then had tmobile update it now im back to this? Lol.....cant wait for april
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All of that should take 30minutes to an hour lol. Not days or weeks

The galaxy s series is so easy to root and flash ....all done without the need for a computer
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Yeah but the mytouch 4g root with a computer is so much more worth it

Shortbus-Driver said:
The galaxy s series is so easy to root and flash ....all done without the need for a computer
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No, after Gingerbread update you have to use a computer with ODIN to root, and once rooted, it's much more painful to flash the idiotic partition system of Galaxy S, requiring you to reflash bootloaders and kernels from PC before flashing the actual ROMs or even for backup restorations, being unable to flash kernel from recovery - because kernel contains the recovery. Actually, if there is a phone that requires PC almost for any type of flashing - that would be Galaxy S.
IMHO, as stated many times - if you can't follow a simple guide to downgrade and root your MT4G, you shouldn't be rooting anyway.

Lmao what a tard
That reply isnt even worthy of a responce....buckle up

Shortbus-Driver said:
Lmao what a tard
That reply isnt even worthy of a responce....buckle up
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@jack_r1 makes a very valid point. rooting this phone when it had 2.2.x was STUPID easy. Easy and quick enough that i had it rooted before i left the T-Mobile Store, when i bought the phone.
The new method is simple. you downgrade then you use one of two VERY simple methods to root your phone.
If you cannot follow directions and need to rely on a one click root. Either based from the phone or on the PC then you shouldn't be messing with SU access.

Shortbus-Driver said:
Lmao what a tard
That reply isnt even worthy of a responce....buckle up
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That's what a clueless person would say, I guess. If you had ever tried to flash anything on Galaxy S type phone, you'd know. Pretty much all the ROM flashing instructions contain ODIN versions and instructions that require flashing at least bootloaders and mostly kernels too (see "Flash a stock Gingerbread ROM" step as an example), for a reason. Moreover, you can try flashing Gingerbread MIUI and then reverting back without ODIN. Good luck.
And whoever messed with rooting and flashing one phone, if he didn't just have to click "root" button on 1-click-rooter of some kind, but at least to work out ADB, wouldn't be afraid of rooting MT4G. I guess your mouth is going far ahead of your knowledge. It's good that rooting became complicated on all phones, because it keeps dummies from messing with things they don't understand.

This is what happens when one is having a friendly conversation with another and a third party joins in with a ” im better than you complex” and runs his/her trap and makes insults for no apperent reason all in his/her very first post .....if you cant be nice and put in helpful info without insult stay out kiddo......or buckle up and enjoy the ride....I dont care either way I deal with dumbasses on a daily basis and your not gonna find my nerve
lol
I dont let children and childish adults get to me lit-alone on a keyboard
Yes you can root and flash a galaxy s without ever touching a comp.
Yes in some cases odin is required,inwhich involves using a comp.....omg Im so sorry ..... Although that was further along than the conversation I was having with invasion....lol you just wanted to come here and play the ”all knowing” part and the ”im also a cyber tough guy” part wich are both laughable and pathetic at the same time.
Now you can stop your childish anticks and allow hair to grow on your balls or continue crying like a little girl.....either way im done with you youve already waisted enough of my time inwhich im certain you were not worth! :-D
Go ahead, feel free to make another attempt to make yourself feel big and bad.....after all thats what you came here to do in the first place.....and seeins as im giving you the oppertunity to have the last word.......nows your chance to turn it around or fail as you so boldly have.
Have a nice day kiddo

Or should I rephrase:
You posted without searching, one of, if not the most posted question on the forum. Then, when you got the response that indicated you as a not-so-brave person, you tried to start bragging to lift your self-esteem, taking this thread off track. Then, when you understood you've got caught bragging, you've read the regular line that shows on these forums 3 times a week - "if you can't follow the guide, you shouldn't be rooting anyway" as a personal insult - and got all cocky and started name calling. When you got paid with the same money, you still keep being cocky.
The funny thing is that I didn't write to catch you on your bragging, I couldn't care less. I just can't stand wrong info, which you happened to be spilling, so I corrected. This is not a private chatroom, there are no "friendly conversations" here. This is XDA-Developers, not XDA-group-hugging-team.
Waste of time, indeed.
Grow up.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = Burn. I think we should stop arguing.

invasion2 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = Burn. I think we should stop arguing.
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+100
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Thank god this is just a loaner phone.
I guess its true.....that with cheap low quality phones comes cheap low quality followers.....have a nice life lol

...why are you not banned yet?
everything Jack_R1 said is absolutely true.
he is a very great helper, and many people respect him. if you don't have the quality of respect, then i'm sorry, but you must not have been taught any morals.
i COMPLETELY disagree with anything you said. Samsung makes the worst products out there. i mean seriously? WHY DO I NEED TO FLASH MY GALAXY S VIA ODIN OR WHATEVER GARBAGE TO GET A NEW ROM??? that's plain crap! pointless. you must not have very good experience with HTC devices.
let me show you how HTC does it:
Rooting
very easy and simple on most devices, main thing is to obtain S-off.
Flashing
even easier.
this procedure goes for every HTC device out there:
reboot to recovery
make a nandroid backup
wipe
flash
DONE.
what about Samsung?
oooh first you gotta flash the "bootloader" or whatever crap, then the "modem", then this, then that via ODIN, and then you gotta do this this and this, THEN you finally reboot into recovery and flash.
i will let you decide which you think is easier, but don't go about saying that i have "no idea what i'm talking about" because i do. my dad has a Galaxy S, and flashing to that device is complete crap. i don't know WHERE you got that info that "flashing to a Galaxy doesn't require a computer". BECAUSE IT DOES.
stupid ODIN...
anyway, back on point. if you think you're so great and pro, maybe YOU can make an easier way to root 2.3.4 Stock MYTOUCH. cause i think a lot of us would appreciate it. maybe then, you'll be worthy enough to be here. because all you've done so far, is fill up xda with your retarded garbage.
have a nice day.

Shortbus-Driver said:
Thank god this is just a loaner phone.
I guess its true.....that with cheap low quality phones comes cheap low quality followers.....have a nice life lol
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That's cool too. You're welcome for the help. -_____-
saranhai said:
...why are you not banned yet?
everything Jack_R1 said is absolutely true.
he is a very great helper, and many people respect him. if you don't have the quality of respect, then i'm sorry, but you must not have been taught any morals.
i COMPLETELY disagree with anything you said. Samsung makes the worst products out there. i mean seriously? WHY DO I NEED TO FLASH MY GALAXY S VIA ODIN OR WHATEVER GARBAGE TO GET A NEW ROM??? that's plain crap! pointless. you must not have very good experience with HTC devices.
let me show you how HTC does it:
Rooting
very easy and simple on most devices, main thing is to obtain S-off.
Flashing
even easier.
this procedure goes for every HTC device out there:
reboot to recovery
make a nandroid backup
wipe
flash
DONE.
what about Samsung?
oooh first you gotta flash the "bootloader" or whatever crap, then the "modem", then this, then that via ODIN, and then you gotta do this this and this, THEN you finally reboot into recovery and flash.
i will let you decide which you think is easier, but don't go about saying that i have "no idea what i'm talking about" because i do. my dad has a Galaxy S, and flashing to that device is complete crap. i don't know WHERE you got that info that "flashing to a Galaxy doesn't require a computer". BECAUSE IT DOES.
stupid ODIN...
anyway, back on point. if you think you're so great and pro, maybe YOU can make an easier way to root 2.3.4 Stock MYTOUCH. cause i think a lot of us would appreciate it. maybe then, you'll be worthy enough to be here. because all you've done so far, is fill up xda with your retarded garbage.
have a nice day.
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LMAO. ^^^^^^^^^^ = 2ND STRAIGHT BURN!!!
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Lol this is funny ****