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I have had the vibrant for a couple of months now, and I must say I am very dissapointed.
I had the chance to try my friends' evo and another friends mytouch 4g and I must say these phones are about 10 times better rhan the vibrant...
No lag, gps works amazingly fast and accurate 9.8 ft accurancy indoors on the evo with 8 sats locked. These phones just work right out of the box. The vibrant is a hyped up phone with very little usability because most times I need something really quick the phone decides to crawl and doesn't respond. Build quality is also better on the mentioned phones. Even my other friends htc aria performs faster and better in every aspect and that on 2.1...
Hopefully someone will solve these issues at some point cause it seems to me it is all software related cause on the spec sheet the vibrant looks to be a great device but in real life it is just a lot of frustration...
This is definitely my last Samsung phone and as soon as I get my hands on a used mytouch 4g I will gladly get rid of the vibrant.
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Just root it go crazy oh baby oh baby .
Root it
Flash voodoo kernel/custom rom
quit whining.
You don't like your Vibrant, great. Leave the forum and stop complaining about it. You can sell it, smash it, trade it, whatever. We don't care. The majority of us are happy with the Vibrant.
Now lets be nice. We havent a reason to be rude. He is unhappy and has a right to be. We dont have to respond to the thread.
I am for one happy with my phone. Gps works! awesome software by teamwhiskey!
Great glasstopia them by mwbehr. Fantastic kernel by the man himself eugene373.
I already learned I dont need samsungs support. Maybe we can help him learn that also.
Well what a friendly community this is...
I felt like venting because using this phone is frustrating. I posted in the general section so if that was wrong let the mods take care of it but don't act like an idiot.
My vibrant is rooted and on official ka6. Rooting has nothing to do with the performance of the device.
Besides a phone should work the right way out of the box without any modification. If you say you are happy then good for you, but you might want to try using other phones and you will clearly see the difference...
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I didnt mean to come off rude, I was giving you the solution man.
I have MANY phones. Rooting doesnt help the performance... but apps that need root access do. And yes, voodoo (converting the file system to EXT 4) WILL fix your complaint.
Hazzard99 thank you for the reply. You are absolutely right and that is why I said it must all be software related since the hardware seems like it is supposed to beat pretty much any device out there.
I am fine with rooting and I did it, I just do not feel comfortable to flash any custom firmware yet...
I am more frustrated with samsung than anything else. I think android is the future definitely and it is growing daily... but Samsung lost me as a customer, that is for sure.
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XPLANE9 said:
You don't like your Vibrant, great. Leave the forum and stop complaining about it. You can sell it, smash it, trade it, whatever. We don't care. The majority of us are happy with the Vibrant.
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I'm sorry, aren't a ton of the threads in this forum dedicated to people's complaints with sammy/tmo/vibrant? Not a whole lot of us are satisfied with the Vibrant stock. Maybe we can educate him just how simple it is to root this device and put it's fantastic hardware to use.
Can you imagine what we'd miss out on if Sombionix or Eugene were basically told to piss off when they first picked up an Android phone and wanted it to do more?
Cut the guy some slack is all I'm sayin.
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Tjbunch1228 thanks for your understanding.
I will be flashing a custom rom and kernel but I think before that I will do a little more reading. I grasp the basics but I still require a bit more education before I proceed and this forum has plenty of step by step guides on how to do it, I just felt the need to bash Samsung. I wish I could do more so that Samsung actually hears my and many other peoples complaints.
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Hazzard99 thank you for the reply. You are absolutely right and that is why I said it must all be software related since the hardware seems like it is supposed to beat pretty much any device out there.
I am fine with rooting and I did it, I just do not feel comfortable to flash any custom firmware yet...
I am more frustrated with samsung than anything else. I think android is the future definitely and it is growing daily... but Samsung lost me as a customer, that is for sure.
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I understand that the stock version of the phone is truly laggy, and the gps is not that great. But they are many roms or "custom firmwares" that u can flash. They will make ur phone nearly 100x better. Flashing is defnitely worth it. If ur brave enough, you can even add on the ffc.
Dont be scared you dont have to do much but flash the rom of your choice and read up on it a bit.
One of the little pleasures of life Is taking pride in the things that we do for ourselves. I am very grateful for the community everytime I meet someone who has a certain phone and hates it. I let them know that the phone isnt that bad.
Oh and btw I run bionix v and I can underclock to 800mhz and be happy as a pig in poop.
And also we let samsung have it. they got railed via facebook and twitter about how unhappy people were. Tust me they know!!!
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Tjbunch1228 thanks for your understanding.
I will be flashing a custom rom and kernel but I think before that I will do a little more reading. I grasp the basics but I still require a bit more education before I proceed and this forum has plenty of step by step guides on how to do it, I just felt the need to bash Samsung. I wish I could do more so that Samsung actually hears my and many other peoples complaints.
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I recommend both guides in my signature if you have not already. And yeah, we railed samsung pretty hard... got some articles written and voi'la they released froyo (half-assed though)
A little ass is better than no ass! Amirite? lol
Yeah I was scared about f-ing my phone up but with some reading and some trail and error I've learned that without tthe dev community I would truly hate and more then likely would have broke this phone out or frustration. Wait till you get a whiskey or axura or eugene or the other guys.(sorry I just don't know the developer name but they so trigger and couple others) you will be floored. I know I am
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Well guys thanks for your input. I will have to do some more reading and definitely some flashing (this just sounds weird)
One question though. Would flashing eugenes kernel but remaining with stock ka6 fix the lag on this device?
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Dont flash that!!!!!
Not cause its bad or anything.. but it could possibly erase your sd card and mess with your internal memory if you dont watch out
You are warned
Got it. I will stay away for now.
Thank you!
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Sorry I meant supercurio not eugene.
Supercurio is the one that mentioned odin flashable kernel + voodoo but using stock firmware ka6 if I understood correctly...
I feel comfortable using odin, so if this will speed up the vibrant I would gladly try it...
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It has a big impact on the speed. And sound is freakin sweet!
I havent GBed. I wont bother unless its Moto released and rootable. Why? All the "where is this app?", "where is that feature?", "Im loopin bootstrap!", and my personal favorite :"how do I get back to froyo? " ...just click ur heels Dorothy......
Don’t get me wrong, Im the happy beneficiary of rooted stock. And for the folks that are all about the phone geek thing knock urselves out, Im enjoyin the reads. But let's be honest,GB isn't a warm fuzzy balance of enhancements for time invested.
After couple of functionality tweeks like rooting for bloat reduction, Froyo is highly functional and solid. I personally have a limited amount of free time...which incidentally is maximized by my highly feature-laden rock solid DX...and while Iapplaud u bleeding edge cowboys, I'm gonna stay put...til Moto releases GB and somebody here gets it rooted.
just sayin...munch,ymunch,munch...
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Technically with the locked bootloader everybody is running a Motorola released version. This new version of gb that was released was by an ota to a few phones. While not a full fledged update to gb it is very stable and reliable. I have been on it and have zero problems. All of my apps appeared. And no bootloops. The directions for everything that needs to be done are very well done and there is almost a zero percent chance of truly bricking your phone. And with sbf'ing and everything I had to do to get to gb it only took me about fifteen total minutes to get there. Enjoy your stable Froyo and popcorn and I will enjoy my stable Gingerbread.
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I havent GBed. I wont bother unless its Moto released and rootable. Why? All the "where is this app?", "where is that feature?", "Im loopin bootstrap!", and my personal favorite :"how do I get back to froyo? " ...just click ur heels Dorothy......
Don’t get me wrong, Im the happy beneficiary of rooted stock. And for the folks that are all about the phone geek thing knock urselves out, Im enjoyin the reads. But let's be honest,GB isn't a warm fuzzy balance of enhancements for time invested.
After couple of functionality tweeks like rooting for bloat reduction, Froyo is highly functional and solid. I personally have a limited amount of free time...which incidentally is maximized by my highly feature-laden rock solid DX...and while Iapplaud u bleeding edge cowboys, I'm gonna stay put...til Moto releases GB and somebody here gets it rooted.
just sayin...munch,ymunch,munch...
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wow. thanks for the worthless post. save that kind of stuff for your therapist. nobody here cares to hear that you're not a flashaholic. geez. how arrogant
EDIT: lol. i just came across your last couple posts in another thread. i see the true reason you havent gone to gingerbread is because you dont know what you're doing. Which, there's nothin wrong with. But dang dude. really? i'll go back to eating my popcorn and enjoying my rock solid gingerbread rom, lol.
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wow. thanks for the worthless post. save that kind of stuff for your therapist. nobody here cares to hear that you're not a flashaholic. geez. how arrogant
EDIT: lol. i just came across your last couple posts in another thread. i see the true reason you havent gone to gingerbread is because you dont know what you're doing. Which, there's nothin wrong with. But dang dude. really? i'll go back to eating my popcorn and enjoying my rock solid gingerbread rom, lol.
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lol that's funny.
He must have got this site confused with facebook.
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Ur right that Im not up on all the knowledge necessary. And that's part of the point....why spend the time? What's the reward for the risk? I've read more "help,I did what it said and my phone won't this that or the other" than ur "rock solid GB" stuff. Glad ur happy, sorry ur such loss poor converationalists.
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Ur right that Im not up on all the knowledge necessary. And that's part of the point....why spend the time? What's the reward for the risk? I've read more "help,I did what it said and my phone won't this that or the other" than ur "rock solid GB" stuff. Glad ur happy, sorry ur such loss poor converationalists.
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What's the point? Why do you do things that you do? It's simply because this is a development forum for people who enjoy this stuff. We enjoy flashing things and learning all we can about this stuff. It is fun for us. The reason people have issues is almost 100% user error. That means that they forgot to do something. Or didn't fully download a file. Or did something in the wrong order. There's almost never a problem with the software provided to us. The files work, people just make mistakes
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What's the point? Why do you do things that you do? It's simply because this is a development forum for people who enjoy this stuff. We enjoy flashing things and learning all we can about this stuff. It is fun for us. The reason people have issues is almost 100% user error. That means that they forgot to do something. Or didn't fully download a file. Or did something in the wrong order. There's almost never a problem with the software provided to us. The files work, people just make mistakes
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+1. With the locked bootloader and no way for people to try to flash the radio or kernel. It has made this phone nearly impossible to hard brick. I only know of one. Every other person has worked through there problems by the helpful people and guides on this and other forums. You stick around here long enough and you will be eating gingerbread instead of popcorn.
Edit: I should say no way to flash a custom kernel or custom radio.
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While I share the philosophy of the OP (waiting for OTA and z4root-esque rooting), I don't agree that anyone should avoid applying GB. I did that sort of thing with my WinMo phone and if I felt the need to GB now, I absolutely would with no worries about the quality of the rom.
And with the potential for a long break without being rooted, I may just do that. I'm not up to speed with a lot of this, but will a root for the OTA be possible and will it take some time? I needs my AdFree, Tether and CacheCleaner.
I'm not trying to go against the tone of the thread here by saying this, but I have Gingerbread and am really not looking back. Stock Froyo was boring, everyone will agree with that. From there you had either ApeX or rubiX (or later Liberty). I ran all three actually and settled between Apex and rubiX Focused. Apex is/was good for battery life and overall stability. rubiX Focused is/was good for speed and stability, battery life was a bit less than Apex. But to me Gingerbread is the best of both worlds. 30-40 hour battery life PLUS the much improved (for most) Quadrant scores and overall speed and snappiness is like rubiX + ApeX. (video here)
I guess all I'm trying to say is that *when done properly*, if you flash from your favorite ROM to Gingerbread it's completely doable without any hitches or hangups. The thing to remember here is this: you're going from your favorite build/ROM/setup to something completely foreign. When I first flashed 2.3 (the most recent OTA, deodexed & rooted) there were some things I complained about. Then, with time and just playing around with it, I figured them out. I think most people are "having issues" with it because it's really that much of a change. It's not the jump from 2.2 to 2.2.1. It's a whole new setup, interface and all. I think it's the process that scares people, and that's understandable, but just remember.. it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to brick your phone. With SBF, you'd almost have to be trying to mess things ups. Find a decent guide and give it a shot. You can always flash back to your current setup.
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While I share the philosophy of the OP (waiting for OTA and z4root-esque rooting), I don't agree that anyone should avoid applying GB. I did that sort of thing with my WinMo phone and if I felt the need to GB now, I absolutely would with no worries about the quality of the rom.
And with the potential for a long break without being rooted, I may just do that. I'm not up to speed with a lot of this, but will a root for the OTA be possible and will it take some time? I needs my AdFree, Tether and CacheCleaner.
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Just a heads up, be careful with Wireless Tether on 2.3.. or even 2.2 if you're going over 5GB. People are saying that's being watched now.
I didn't really say "what's the point", I said the reward for time spent seemed dubious.....and I said I applaud the efforts and am the beneficiary of them. But damn there's lotta varying degrees of success. Part of my trouble is my PC's incompatibilty with the DX drivers that prevents me from sbfing....which seems like the safety net.
Buy beyond that I haven't read anything that puts GB so very much up the foodchain from froyo ....boring? Froyo is boring compared to GB how?
And zippy? My DX is very zippy...
Maybe Im not running enough stuff ;-)
I have to say, extended battery life has my eyebrow raised...that'd be welcome.
To be honest I was thinkin about loading the dx drivers on the DAW side of my dual boot XP box...down side is that boot is offline with no antivirus etc to maximize the resources for the studio ....don't wanna **** up a well-oiled machine....which brings me back to sittin in my chaise lounge on the sideline til GB is as easy as rooting &deodexing was.
Thx for the civil discourse.
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I didn't really say "what's the point", I said the reward for time spent seemed dubious.....and I said I applaud the efforts and am the beneficiary of them. But damn there's lotta varying degrees of success. Part of my trouble is my PC's incompatibilty with the DX drivers that prevents me from sbfing....which seems like the safety net.
Buy beyond that I haven't read anything that puts GB so very much up the foodchain from froyo ....boring? Froyo is boring compared to GB how?
And zippy? My DX is very zippy...
Maybe Im not running enough stuff ;-)
I have to say, extended battery life has my eyebrow raised...that'd be welcome.
To be honest I was thinkin about loading the dx drivers on the DAW side of my dual boot XP box...down side is that boot is offline with no antivirus etc to maximize the resources for the studio ....don't wanna **** up a well-oiled machine....which brings me back to sittin in my chaise lounge on the sideline til GB is as easy as rooting &deodexing was.
Thx for the civil discourse.
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I am definitely getting better battery life. The other day I calibrated my battery and had to wait for 1 day 13 hours and change before the thing finally died. Also if the drivers aren't working for you try this. http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/d...-solution-your-windows-rsd-lite-problems.html
just put it on a cd and go. It is linux. I haven't used it since my windows 7 64 bit system did the job for me just fine, but I have heard a really good response with this. Also, if you have any questions about it the guy is really good at answering them.
Since you are on stock....you are really in the perfect position to upgrade to gb the easiest. Root, Droid 2 Bootstrap, wipe, run the 3 files from tbh, wipe, and reboot. Off you go.
Just to note TBH has put out a rooted version of the GB leak....
I have blur_version.23588.p1 p2. And p3 plus the droid 2 bootstrap. So ur sayin I'm good to go from 2.2 rooted stock froyo up to GB without needing any sbf connection to my PC, right?
This is a good time for me to phuck around w the phone cuz Im off this week.
Couple of last questions :
I bought power amp...am I gonna lose it?
Does the camera settings issue mentioned recently apply to me on this load?
What does OTA stand for?
Can I get back to froyo 2.2 without sbf?
How many pecks in aa bushel?
Thx
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I have blur_version.23588.p1 p2. And p3 plus the droid 2 bootstrap. So ur sayin I'm good to go from 2.2 rooted stock froyo up to GB without needing any sbf connection to my PC, right?
This is a good time for me to phuck around w the phone cuz Im off this week.
Couple of last questions :
I bought power amp...am I gonna lose it?
Does the camera settings issue mentioned recently apply to me on this load?
What does OTA stand for?
Can I get back to froyo 2.2 without sbf?
How many pecks in aa bushel?
Thx
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1. No it will redownload after you flash
2. Yes. No idea why or how to fix
3. Over-the-air. It is an update sent directly to your phone from Verizon.
4. No. But SBF'ing is not difficult at all, it's just the idea that scares people and that people make stupid mistakes
5. I think two, or four maybe. But that is completely unrelated. Look it up
Thx....damn quick response.
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Well she-it...I was all ready to pull the trigger when I double checke file size. #2 should be 16.2m and im only showing 21.7k. Only one of the three links is working.
Anybody know of another link?
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Well she-it...I was all ready to pull the trigger when I double checke file size. #2 should be 16.2m and im only showing 21.7k. Only one of the three links is working.
Anybody know of another link?
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all links work here
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...3-3-4-5-588-install-patch-root.html#post68035
No joy.
Got an abort on the first file. (Good place to get one I guess). These files were downloaded to the wifey's laptop and copied over.
One distinction ...instructions here included "wipe", but the instructions from the modderX site did not mention wipe.
Furthermore there are 2 wipes .... I tried wiping the cache...no joy. The other wipe looked too scary..sumpin about reset factory blah blah blah.....
Its good to be on vacation.
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I want to root my phone but dont know if its possible witht the lastest update. im very new to all of this but i see there are many many more things i can do with it rooted than not rooted.
i also want to get sense 3.0 on it.
thanks for all help.
chesarae.garza said:
I want to root my phone but dont know if its possible witht the lastest update. im very new to all of this but i see there are many many more things i can do with it rooted than not rooted.
i also want to get sense 3.0 on it.
thanks for all help.
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for the love of christ............. diaf
chill out bro...forums dont need police! its just a question, dont take it so personal.
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chill out bro...forums dont need police! its just a question, dont take it so personal.
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yes but it is the same question that has been asked a thousand times that you didnt feel the need to search for yourself. look like 3 posts down from your thread, then like 2 more down, then a few more down, notice anything? yeah those are the other morons who asked the same thing that has been beat to death because they felt they were to special to search.
i dont think we think were "to special" bro.
thanks for pointing me in the right direction though, thats all i needed.
So it can't be done or is it being worked on?
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So it can't be done or is it being worked on?
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Currently it cannot be done. The source code for the ROM will be released soon and soon after you will have more ROMS, better kernels and rooting. Until then its a wait period for you. Its good practice to wait after an update (OTA) is released to the wild because you lose root and essentially you are stuck with that ROM until things are released etc.
Hope that helps and welcome to XDA.!
How long....?
I'm a n00b and I know there is no root method with a 2.3 OTA if you are S-On. The bootloader is locked.
Question: Whats a typical time-frame for somebody to do the hack? Days, weeks, Months.
From what I gather and read this work-a-round is going to be harder.
The reason I ask is that I am about to kank my Comcast wireless service. Increased from $26.99 to $49.99. I think I'm better off paying Sprint $30 for the hotspot. I am better off waiting a bit, then root to get the free hotspot tether to work.
FWIW - Maybe there should be a sticky titled "EVO 4G 2.3 Hack Update! - Sprint: 4 , XDA:3" One post per day, saying just "nada, zilch, nothing, - patience grasshoper"
Anything to see the status is No Can Do.
People will be mercilessness with asking the same ridiculous question.
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I'm a n00b and I know there is no root method with a 2.3 OTA if you are S-On. The bootloader is locked.
Question: Whats a typical time-frame for somebody do the hack? Days, weeks, Months.
From what I gather and read this work-a-round is going to be harder.
The reason I ask is that I am about to kank my Comcast wireless service. Increased from $26.99 to $49.99. I think I'm better off paying Sprint $30 for the hotspot. I am better off waiting a bit, then root to get the free hotspot tether to work.
FWIW - Maybe there should be a sticky titled "EVO 4G 2.3 Hack Update! - Sprint: 4 , XDA:3" One post per day, saying just "nada, zilch, nothing, - patience grasshoper"
Anything to see the status is No Can Do.
People will be mercilessness with asking the same ridiculous question.
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i would say average is a few weeks to a month based on previous ota getting rooted. however google seems to have done a good job at plugging all the holes and it may be considerably longer. no way to know how long really. just depends how much scouring it takes to find an exploit. take the rageagainstthecage exploit, that wasnt discovered until about 6 months after froyo was release iirc
I get aggravated to, but the guy asked the question in a decent enough. non-naab way.
Truth is, if you have 2.3.3 and you're S-on, there is no root, currently.
Give it some time, be patient and use the time to read as much as you can and get an idea of what you want and how you want to set it up once a root method is developed.
Specifically, I'd learn APS2SD/SD Card partitioning, Which ROMS suit your needs the best and how you want to set your screens up
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I get aggravated to, but the guy asked the question in a decent enough. non-naab way.
Truth is, if you have 2.3.3 and you're S-on, there is no root, currently.
Give it some time, be patient and use the time to read as much as you can and get an idea of what you want and how you want to set it up once a root method is developed.
Specifically, I'd learn APS2SD/SD Card partitioning, Which ROMS suit your needs the best and how you want to set your screens up
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op asked in a manner befitting someone who has not searched or tried to answer for himself hence is why he got some flammage. Schlenkerla, however, asked in an educated and obviously researched way which earned him a proper reply.
no root? How about another option?
ok, i have been reading every single day on how to re-root my evo. Now, im not asking if there is a root method yet, however i need to ask this.
Is is possible to revert the hboot, firmware, to a previous version. I an unable to install a ruu OS because im s-on of course. I would just like to know if there is ANY way to revert back to 2.2 so i can just root the normal way and start flashing roms daily again... It can be complicated, im highly technical, but i cant find anyhting talking about a way to do this.
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ok, i have been reading every single day on how to re-root my evo. Now, im not asking if there is a root method yet, however i need to ask this.
Is is possible to revert the hboot, firmware, to a previous version. I an unable to install a ruu OS because im s-on of course. I would just like to know if there is ANY way to revert back to 2.2 so i can just root the normal way and start flashing roms daily again... It can be complicated, im highly technical, but i cant find anyhting talking about a way to do this.
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not possible at this point. the 2.16 hboot will not allow an older version to be flashed.
Crap, that sucks! thanks for the info.
I am guessing the same goes with a factory reset.
Btw - what all does factory reset do?
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chill out bro...forums dont need police! its just a question, dont take it so personal.
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Forums also don't need the same question asked in 50 different threads.
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Or people running around being jerks on it. If a complete stranger asked you the same question for the 50th time in real life would you blow up in their face about it? No. So why would you on the internet? The internet makes people feel empowered to be rude because they aren't face to face. Let's just keep in mind that person on the other end is a human being, and we all are lazy and all don't search for stuff ok?
I can't tell you how many times my husband has said "I can't find the ketchup" and I say "did you look behind the milk?". The answer is always no, but that's where it is!
Maybe its just guys that have the problem with not knowing how to search.
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Because if someone asks you a question you've heard over and over, they may not be in a position to do a simple search for the answer before they ask....
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<snip> Let's just keep in mind that person on the other end is a human being, and we all are lazy and all don't search for stuff ok? <snip>
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Look, I am not a flamer (at least , not where noobs are concerned). I normally just ignore questions that have been answered 1000 times. Believe it or not, I am actually a pretty polite dood, especially to people I don't know. That being said, the thought process that starts with "everybody does it" and ends with "fvk it, i'll just ask instead of bothering to search" is just wrong. Feel free to search through every thread I have ever started and show me were I started a thread asking a question that had already been done to death. Do it. People get flamed because others want the questions to STOP! They WANT noobs to be too afraid of flaming to ask a question. I was gone on vacation, and away from from XDA for basically a solid week. During that vacation, I managed to smash my phone's screen. As soon as I got home, I put in for my replacement, and immediately started searching for root methods for the newest OTA. It took less than 10 minutes to determine that there was no news...with the exception of this, which obviously is not very helpful.
In short: Don't start a new thread unless you are SURE that there is not already a thread about your topic. If you decide to do it anyway, don't complain when you get flamed. It is your own fault. Human nature is no excuse for anything. We are humans and have the power to observe both ourselves and the world around us, and we have the ability to modify our behavior based on those observations. For instance, I was absolutely positive, when I began writing this response, that at least one person would feel the need to flame me for it. Go ahead. I can take it. I put my big-boy pants on.
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
VaKo said:
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
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True, that's unappealing...just when it's perfect you have to wipe and then you have to set it up again. I used to worry more about that but now that I've had to set-up again about 5 or 6 times I've become a master at doing it quickly and better than before. I totally love having root...wouldn't do it any other way.
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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undervolting each freq by 125mV is way to good to pass up
no way would I ever use stock
It's just not the right time. I wait until a "real" custom rom comes out.
What for? I can use my SD card if I need to. Which I don't. Got 3.2 a couple of days ago. If I want to play with roms and overclocking I have my phone rooted. But for now I don't need it.
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Really?
crisisinthecity said:
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
KerryG said:
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
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Good point. Any more reasons?
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
I Agree
I cannot imagine using any of my android devices without at least su file capabilities
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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This is great because it says that people love the Xoom right out of the box, or fresh from the stock update.
As I said, having experienced both, I will choose the ability to truly customize to my hearts content. But for those who are happy with plain vanilla, enjoy!
chbennett said:
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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+1 I have no reason to root.
the speed, battery life, etc. etc. are all fine for what I use it for - nothing heavy - just a replacement for browsing the web and a few games like angry birds
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there's no real custom roms out that give you any benefit to flashing a new rom, and I am on 3.2 - not even put an sdcard in the xoom yet.
all movies/tv shows are streamed direct to TV or to Xoom via Plex, so i dont need extra space to store movies,
I only have the wifi version so i dont need space for travelling around with 3g.
the only time I may need more space and thus an sdcard would be if i go on holiday and want to take a few films on the sd - but even in a readonly state i can do that by loading films onto an sd and sticking it in now...
my only grief was that motorola were taking an aeon to push out any updates to the UK image I had on - but flashing the US fixed that and I decided I dont need to go any further down the rooting process... I'm happy - surely that's the best way to be
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
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I was basically trying to get some conversations started as to why and why not to root the WiFi xoom so people on this forum understand where the other team is coming from. Thought this thread title and my choice of words would draw some good debate. And it would keep the debate here and not all over the forum.
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I get what people are saying here, if you're happy with what you've got then by all means you should stick to it. No-one should be telling you what to like.
However, I do support the OP. If you are NOT happy with what you've got but there is a fix for it, why not just apply the fix instead of complaining?
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I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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I for one am too new to Android to root my Xoom. I have a G2x phone. It has a one step Root method and a one step Recovery method. I'm ok with that. But looking at all the ABD steps and the instructions on how to make them work....I feel its too complicated for a limited return at this time.
If someone put together the Bible of rooting the Xoom, that does NOT begin with , " This assumes you have an understanding of xxx", then maybe I would...
I took the Xoom out of the box...I want to Root, do this, then this, then this. Include what needs to be installed, what to type, etc, etc.
If that sounds whiney...so what, you asked.
Has it been made possible to root 2.3.4 as of late?
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No. Only downgrading will work. IMO, gingerbread for our phone will never achieve full root and S-off... But I had to downgrade and its not that hard! Go here to downgrade. good luck.
Thanks if I helped
Lol u like your thanks dont you
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Yup.
10 char
Im thinking by the time I get all this downgrading, rooting,and flashing.....ill be due for my upgrade and rockin my sgs2
I originally had the vibrant but broke it aonth ago and am now using a friends backup phone....I learned to temp root this thing then had tmobile update it now im back to this? Lol.....cant wait for april
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All of that should take 30minutes to an hour lol. Not days or weeks
The galaxy s series is so easy to root and flash ....all done without the need for a computer
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Yeah but the mytouch 4g root with a computer is so much more worth it
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The galaxy s series is so easy to root and flash ....all done without the need for a computer
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No, after Gingerbread update you have to use a computer with ODIN to root, and once rooted, it's much more painful to flash the idiotic partition system of Galaxy S, requiring you to reflash bootloaders and kernels from PC before flashing the actual ROMs or even for backup restorations, being unable to flash kernel from recovery - because kernel contains the recovery. Actually, if there is a phone that requires PC almost for any type of flashing - that would be Galaxy S.
IMHO, as stated many times - if you can't follow a simple guide to downgrade and root your MT4G, you shouldn't be rooting anyway.
Lmao what a tard
That reply isnt even worthy of a responce....buckle up
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Lmao what a tard
That reply isnt even worthy of a responce....buckle up
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@jack_r1 makes a very valid point. rooting this phone when it had 2.2.x was STUPID easy. Easy and quick enough that i had it rooted before i left the T-Mobile Store, when i bought the phone.
The new method is simple. you downgrade then you use one of two VERY simple methods to root your phone.
If you cannot follow directions and need to rely on a one click root. Either based from the phone or on the PC then you shouldn't be messing with SU access.
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Lmao what a tard
That reply isnt even worthy of a responce....buckle up
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That's what a clueless person would say, I guess. If you had ever tried to flash anything on Galaxy S type phone, you'd know. Pretty much all the ROM flashing instructions contain ODIN versions and instructions that require flashing at least bootloaders and mostly kernels too (see "Flash a stock Gingerbread ROM" step as an example), for a reason. Moreover, you can try flashing Gingerbread MIUI and then reverting back without ODIN. Good luck.
And whoever messed with rooting and flashing one phone, if he didn't just have to click "root" button on 1-click-rooter of some kind, but at least to work out ADB, wouldn't be afraid of rooting MT4G. I guess your mouth is going far ahead of your knowledge. It's good that rooting became complicated on all phones, because it keeps dummies from messing with things they don't understand.
This is what happens when one is having a friendly conversation with another and a third party joins in with a ” im better than you complex” and runs his/her trap and makes insults for no apperent reason all in his/her very first post .....if you cant be nice and put in helpful info without insult stay out kiddo......or buckle up and enjoy the ride....I dont care either way I deal with dumbasses on a daily basis and your not gonna find my nerve
lol
I dont let children and childish adults get to me lit-alone on a keyboard
Yes you can root and flash a galaxy s without ever touching a comp.
Yes in some cases odin is required,inwhich involves using a comp.....omg Im so sorry ..... Although that was further along than the conversation I was having with invasion....lol you just wanted to come here and play the ”all knowing” part and the ”im also a cyber tough guy” part wich are both laughable and pathetic at the same time.
Now you can stop your childish anticks and allow hair to grow on your balls or continue crying like a little girl.....either way im done with you youve already waisted enough of my time inwhich im certain you were not worth! :-D
Go ahead, feel free to make another attempt to make yourself feel big and bad.....after all thats what you came here to do in the first place.....and seeins as im giving you the oppertunity to have the last word.......nows your chance to turn it around or fail as you so boldly have.
Have a nice day kiddo
Or should I rephrase:
You posted without searching, one of, if not the most posted question on the forum. Then, when you got the response that indicated you as a not-so-brave person, you tried to start bragging to lift your self-esteem, taking this thread off track. Then, when you understood you've got caught bragging, you've read the regular line that shows on these forums 3 times a week - "if you can't follow the guide, you shouldn't be rooting anyway" as a personal insult - and got all cocky and started name calling. When you got paid with the same money, you still keep being cocky.
The funny thing is that I didn't write to catch you on your bragging, I couldn't care less. I just can't stand wrong info, which you happened to be spilling, so I corrected. This is not a private chatroom, there are no "friendly conversations" here. This is XDA-Developers, not XDA-group-hugging-team.
Waste of time, indeed.
Grow up.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = Burn. I think we should stop arguing.
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+100
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Thank god this is just a loaner phone.
I guess its true.....that with cheap low quality phones comes cheap low quality followers.....have a nice life lol
...why are you not banned yet?
everything Jack_R1 said is absolutely true.
he is a very great helper, and many people respect him. if you don't have the quality of respect, then i'm sorry, but you must not have been taught any morals.
i COMPLETELY disagree with anything you said. Samsung makes the worst products out there. i mean seriously? WHY DO I NEED TO FLASH MY GALAXY S VIA ODIN OR WHATEVER GARBAGE TO GET A NEW ROM??? that's plain crap! pointless. you must not have very good experience with HTC devices.
let me show you how HTC does it:
Rooting
very easy and simple on most devices, main thing is to obtain S-off.
Flashing
even easier.
this procedure goes for every HTC device out there:
reboot to recovery
make a nandroid backup
wipe
flash
DONE.
what about Samsung?
oooh first you gotta flash the "bootloader" or whatever crap, then the "modem", then this, then that via ODIN, and then you gotta do this this and this, THEN you finally reboot into recovery and flash.
i will let you decide which you think is easier, but don't go about saying that i have "no idea what i'm talking about" because i do. my dad has a Galaxy S, and flashing to that device is complete crap. i don't know WHERE you got that info that "flashing to a Galaxy doesn't require a computer". BECAUSE IT DOES.
stupid ODIN...
anyway, back on point. if you think you're so great and pro, maybe YOU can make an easier way to root 2.3.4 Stock MYTOUCH. cause i think a lot of us would appreciate it. maybe then, you'll be worthy enough to be here. because all you've done so far, is fill up xda with your retarded garbage.
have a nice day.
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Thank god this is just a loaner phone.
I guess its true.....that with cheap low quality phones comes cheap low quality followers.....have a nice life lol
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That's cool too. You're welcome for the help. -_____-
saranhai said:
...why are you not banned yet?
everything Jack_R1 said is absolutely true.
he is a very great helper, and many people respect him. if you don't have the quality of respect, then i'm sorry, but you must not have been taught any morals.
i COMPLETELY disagree with anything you said. Samsung makes the worst products out there. i mean seriously? WHY DO I NEED TO FLASH MY GALAXY S VIA ODIN OR WHATEVER GARBAGE TO GET A NEW ROM??? that's plain crap! pointless. you must not have very good experience with HTC devices.
let me show you how HTC does it:
Rooting
very easy and simple on most devices, main thing is to obtain S-off.
Flashing
even easier.
this procedure goes for every HTC device out there:
reboot to recovery
make a nandroid backup
wipe
flash
DONE.
what about Samsung?
oooh first you gotta flash the "bootloader" or whatever crap, then the "modem", then this, then that via ODIN, and then you gotta do this this and this, THEN you finally reboot into recovery and flash.
i will let you decide which you think is easier, but don't go about saying that i have "no idea what i'm talking about" because i do. my dad has a Galaxy S, and flashing to that device is complete crap. i don't know WHERE you got that info that "flashing to a Galaxy doesn't require a computer". BECAUSE IT DOES.
stupid ODIN...
anyway, back on point. if you think you're so great and pro, maybe YOU can make an easier way to root 2.3.4 Stock MYTOUCH. cause i think a lot of us would appreciate it. maybe then, you'll be worthy enough to be here. because all you've done so far, is fill up xda with your retarded garbage.
have a nice day.
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LMAO. ^^^^^^^^^^ = 2ND STRAIGHT BURN!!!
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Lol this is funny ****