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Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
To get this into perspective, let's look at what's in the market.
For the price of the dock ($500) I got myself an Acer AS1810TZ netbook/notebook hybrid about 4 months ago. It has:
4GB RAM
320 GB HDD
1.3 Intel Pentium DualCore CPU
Easily handles 1080p video
Battery lasts for EIGHT HOURS (!!)
Full Windows 7 Ultimate OS
1366x768 screen resolution
If you don't want the laptop dock, then why even get Atrix 4G?
Think about it:
You DON'T need 1GB RAM, nothing to fill it with without the laptop.
Camera is crap - 5MP
Unable to do 1080p video. Maybe in 3 years it will, heh.
Only capable of HSPA+. No LTE, obviously.
FroYo. No word on GB update. Seiously, top of the line Android phone with 2.2 when 2.3 and 3.0 are out?
Forced MotoBlur
Probably a bootloader locked to HELL AND BACK to prevent hacking and free tethering
Let's face it - phone's ugly and looks like an old fat iphone.
I think conclusion is pretty obvious. It's quite entertaining to watch how AT&T keeps building itself a coffin, while repeatedly shooting itself in a leg, while drinking poison by the gallons.
Wow glad I don't have my tilt2 anymore and switched to sprint with prices like that there screwing them selves band there consumers that's just bs
sent from my hero which is a real hero now thanks to gb
HTC Pyramid.
Well, that's one usage scenario. I'm not sure why you'd pay that much for a phone off contract, though, with ATT. It's not like T-Mo where you can get a cheaper plan w/out phone subsidies.
If I were buying the Atrix, as a current ATT customer (like I am), and I wanted the dock, I'd just buy the combo deal which is $500 (plus tax) for both. That's $700+ less than what you have quoted.
Tethering is $20 a month, true, but I've been tethering on my ATT plans for years (since the iPhone 3G came out) and never paid any extra for it. I doubt that anyone on this forum wouldn't be able to figure out free tethering. I haven't looked into weather tethering is a required option on this phone, so I could be wrong. Side-note on the tethering: I have unlimited data for my phones on ATT, and last month I didn't have home internet while waiting for the cable co to install. I used well over 50GB of data that month. My wife used at least 10GB. I was able to stream Netflix to my HDTV and stay current with all my BitTorrent downloads (linux distros, y'know). And I don't pay for tethering. Not a word, slowdown, surcharge, complaint, or any throttling whatsoever from ATT. Plus I have the HSPA modem installed on my Captivate, so the data was quite fast (for a phone).
Anyone with an Android phone already pays for a data plan, so that isn't really sensible to add to the cost of the Atrix specifically, since it applies to every Android handset. Most decent Android handsets cost between $150-$200 (at least when they are new). So really, you are paying an extra $300 for... wait for it... a netbook! How much does a netbook cost? Oh, yeah, about $300. I paid $340 for mine, the OP says he paid $500 for something better.
That's cool, but the Atrix can also run Citrix for a full desktop experience if that's really what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjOND67hYCE
johnnydeathmatch said:
Well, that's one usage scenario. I'm not sure why you'd pay that much for a phone off contract, though, with ATT. It's not like T-Mo where you can get a cheaper plan w/out phone subsidies.
If I were buying the Atrix, as a current ATT customer (like I am), and I wanted the dock, I'd just buy the combo deal which is $500 (plus tax) for both. That's $700+ less than what you have quoted.
Tethering is $20 a month, true, but I've been tethering on my ATT plans for years (since the iPhone 3G came out) and never paid any extra for it. I doubt that anyone on this forum wouldn't be able to figure out free tethering. I haven't looked into weather tethering is a required option on this phone, so I could be wrong. Side-note on the tethering: I have unlimited data for my phones on ATT, and last month I didn't have home internet while waiting for the cable co to install. I used well over 50GB of data that month. My wife used at least 10GB. I was able to stream Netflix to my HDTV and stay current with all my BitTorrent downloads (linux distros, y'know). And I don't pay for tethering. Not a word, slowdown, surcharge, complaint, or any throttling whatsoever from ATT. Plus I have the HSPA modem installed on my Captivate, so the data was quite fast (for a phone).
Anyone with an Android phone already pays for a data plan, so that isn't really sensible to add to the cost of the Atrix specifically, since it applies to every Android handset. Most decent Android handsets cost between $150-$200 (at least when they are new). So really, you are paying an extra $300 for... wait for it... a netbook! How much does a netbook cost? Oh, yeah, about $300. I paid $340 for mine, the OP says he paid $500 for something better.
That's cool, but the Atrix can also run Citrix for a full desktop experience if that's really what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjOND67hYCE
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^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
I'm not getting tethering, I just want the media dock. I want to be able to stream high quality video to my TV/where ever.
I love that it's a powerful phone. I love that Sony has announced they'll be making games for the Android devices, and I love that the Atrix is the first one that will be able to reliably run Playstation 1 games, so I don't have to keep lugging my PSP around with a dozen memory sticks.
SquareBare said:
HTC Pyramid.
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here, here
Milkshakes00 said:
^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
I'm not getting tethering, I just want the media dock. I want to be able to stream high quality video to my TV/where ever.
I love that it's a powerful phone. I love that Sony has announced they'll be making games for the Android devices, and I love that the Atrix is the first one that will be able to reliably run Playstation 1 games, so I don't have to keep lugging my PSP around with a dozen memory sticks.
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Funny thing, I wasn't even interested in the Atrix until I saw the linkbait title of this post in a sig. After reading it I couldn't help myself, had to post a reply. Now I'm getting one for sure! It'll make a great birthday present from my wife (she's great!).
Now I just have to decide if I should get the laptop dock or should just wifi tether to my CR-48... Decisions, decisions.... I'm leaning towards not since I found out that the dock requires the tethering plan. It does look so sexy, though (like a Macbook Air) and I like the fact that it has its own battery which can charge the phone. Of course, with a 1930mAh battery, that might not be necessary.
DarkDvr said:
Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
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Not sure how you crunched those numbers, butyou assume that people don't already have a data pro plan (which is retarded for a site like XDA)
So doing the math correctly, by taking out the data plan you already have, it's actually more like:
(699+500+(20*12))/12 = 119.9---> $120 extra a month, if you're counting your initial investment, which I think would be poor statistics.
Well, the phone its self is a standard at&t phone deal.
It is only when you include the useless dock that the math turns into a total screw job.
Everything I have read says that you must have tethering to get the dock for 200 dollar discount.
Tethering is 20 dollars amount extra, anyone who has ever heard of XDA developers knows how to get around that little bs fee.
240 dollars a year for tehtring on a 2 year contract is a rip off.
after 2 years the dock will have cost close to 800 dollars.
800 dollars for a netbook is a friggin joke.
What is going on is at&t is doing anything and everything to try and make up for losing the Iphone exclusivity contract. I would look for them to also continue to increase their data pricing fees and anything else they can charge extra to their costumers to maintain their quarterly statements.
I don't want to know what this will cost in Europe..
Too much in any case!
i currently have the nexus one and i can tether. i am also on the grandfather unlimited data plan from at&t. my question is about the tethering - will at&t lock this feature unless you pay for the tethering plan? or do i need to root this phone or something of that sort to get tethering working for free?
ApplCobbler said:
Not sure how you crunched those numbers, butyou assume that people don't already have a data pro plan (which is retarded for a site like XDA)
So doing the math correctly, by taking out the data plan you already have, it's actually more like:
(699+500+(20*12))/12 = 119.9---> $120 extra a month, if you're counting your initial investment, which I think would be poor statistics.
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You assume many people here have DataPro.
I assume they don't. This is xda, most phones here are rooted and will have tethering hacks.
Either way, 153 or 120 per mo is insane. Especially considering latest Atrix reviews, which are disappointing to say the least.
arcticreaver said:
i currently have the nexus one and i can tether. i am also on the grandfather unlimited data plan from at&t. my question is about the tethering - will at&t lock this feature unless you pay for the tethering plan? or do i need to root this phone or something of that sort to get tethering working for free?
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The only way for you to be able to bypass AT&T detecting the tethering is if phone is hacked. You'll have to wait for our XDA geniuses to unlock the bootloader, root, find the detection methods and hack them.
Considering how much AT&T doesn't want you to do that + Moto's habbit of locking the hell out of bootloaders (Droid X).. I'd say you'll wait to wait a while.
Besides, sideloading is locked tight on Atrix - AT&T hates sideloading and will never allow it (from their words). So installing tethering apps is kinda out of the picture.
But that's just my guess, maybe it won't be as difficult to hack.
DarkDvr said:
The only way for you to be able to bypass AT&T detecting the tethering is if phone is hacked. You'll have to wait for our XDA geniuses to unlock the bootloader, root, find the detection methods and hack them.
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That isn't true. Enabling sideloading is trivial and doesn't require unlocking the bootloader or root. Once you sideload PDAnet, you can tether all day long. That's worst case scenario, assuming none of the devs here enable root and hack the tethering feature as has been done with all the other phones.
Also, even with the heavily-locked bootloader (at this point we don't know if the Atrix is locked or not), the Droid 2 was rooted before it was even for sale. Rooting likely won't take long, and once we have root, tethering and whatnot won't be a problem.
IMO, even if we can't get custom ROMs, it won't be that big of a loss due to Tegra 2. The reason I put a custom ROM on my Captivate is for speed. From everything I've seen so far, that won't be a problem on the Atrix.
I'm just thankful I'm still grandfathered in under the old, unlimited data plan. Hopefully AT&T doesn't take that away any time soon. And then I'll happily wait a month or two to see what happens with the Atrix.
To go against that, just for the hell of it, mine is going to cost 150, and it is going to cost 25 bucks a month for the data pro plan.
I know there are a lot of things that people would love to change, but you have tonremember that this is a first for the industry and there are going to be problems.
The phone itself is amazing technically, theres no doubt about that.
Milkshakes00 said:
^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
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WRONG! Nexus S shipped with 2.3....latest and greatest at the time.
That's your problem.
There are a lot of assumptions here but we aren't all in the same boat. I currently have an iPhone 4 with unlimited. I managed to score the Atrix for $168 no commitment($268-$100 instant rebate) in my premier count. Which I do believe was a glitch because the prices are now at 399.99 but mine has shipped nonetheless. I have screenshots to prove the pricing. I've been holding out for a good Android phone on AT&T because in my area I get great service. The Atrix fit the bill. You also don't need to unlock/decrypt the boot loader OR even root the phone to allow free tethering. There is a thread in this section and they added the how-to to the root thread that shows you how to enable it without a tethering plan. So I won't be spending anything extra a month aside from my initial $168+tax for the phone and I can tether for free to my iPad and laptop. For me, this is a great deal. I understand not everyone was able to get it for this price or have grandfathered-in unlimited data but some do. I just don't understand the motivation for the big write up really. Is there some sort of anger that this set up is out of your price-range? I felt the need to take my time to explain my situation but I can't think of a reason why you would spend your time explaining yours.
DarkDvr said:
Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
To get this into perspective, let's look at what's in the market.
For the price of the dock ($500) I got myself an Acer AS1810TZ netbook/notebook hybrid about 4 months ago. It has:
4GB RAM
320 GB HDD
1.3 Intel Pentium DualCore CPU
Easily handles 1080p video
Battery lasts for EIGHT HOURS (!!)
Full Windows 7 Ultimate OS
1366x768 screen resolution
If you don't want the laptop dock, then why even get Atrix 4G?
Think about it:
You DON'T need 1GB RAM, nothing to fill it with without the laptop.
Camera is crap - 5MP
Unable to do 1080p video. Maybe in 3 years it will, heh.
Only capable of HSPA+. No LTE, obviously.
FroYo. No word on GB update. Seiously, top of the line Android phone with 2.2 when 2.3 and 3.0 are out?
Forced MotoBlur
Probably a bootloader locked to HELL AND BACK to prevent hacking and free tethering
Let's face it - phone's ugly and looks like an old fat iphone.
I think conclusion is pretty obvious. It's quite entertaining to watch how AT&T keeps building itself a coffin, while repeatedly shooting itself in a leg, while drinking poison by the gallons.
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Or $199 on contract + $30 unlim data + 3rd party laptop dock.
Oh and I think Moto said they are going to release an update soon for 1080p capture. And 99% of all android phones have a locked bootloader. You can get launcherpro if you dont like MotoBlur. Rooting the phone will give you free tethering.
Its $499 of contract and where else can you take the guts out of your laptop put it in your pocket, make phone calls, send receive emails, web surf, etc.
I am going to buy a Xoom, just wanted to start with that, now I was just curious about a few of the details.
So it is my birthday and my parents have said that they will get me the WiFi Xoom on the 27th or, since my birthday is today, I can pay the $200 difference and get one today tomorrow. This is where my dilemma lies.
I see some benefits to owning a 3G/4G model, never know when you may need to get a data plan to use. However, I currently have a rooted android phone so I am able to tether the device instead. Then I read that some carriers may begin to crack down on unauthorized tethering in the near future.
So that makes me lean a bit towards getting a 3G model.
Problem is, I wasn't sure how the whole WiFi lockdown situation was. I though I heard that Wifi was not locked at best buy, but before that I thought that only verizon sold wifi without requiring a month of data.
Ok enough blathering on... here are my questions
1.) Does a 3G Xoom from Best Buy require a month of data plan
2.) Since we know VZW sells wifi unlocked, do they load any bloatware of any sort?
3.) Unrelated: How is battery life
4.) What would you recommend, pick up a 3G enabled Xoom for $200 or a free Wifi model in a week
EDIT: I have $100 in Best Buy gift cards so that make buying it cheaper
roflha said:
I am going to buy a Xoom, just wanted to start with that, now I was just curious about a few of the details.
So it is my birthday and my parents have said that they will get me the WiFi Xoom on the 27th or, since my birthday is today, I can pay the $200 difference and get one today tomorrow. This is where my dilemma lies.
I see some benefits to owning a 3G/4G model, never know when you may need to get a data plan to use. However, I currently have a rooted android phone so I am able to tether the device instead. Then I read that some carriers may begin to crack down on unauthorized tethering in the near future.
So that makes me lean a bit towards getting a 3G model.
Problem is, I wasn't sure how the whole WiFi lockdown situation was. I though I heard that Wifi was not locked at best buy, but before that I thought that only verizon sold wifi without requiring a month of data.
Ok enough blathering on... here are my questions
1.) Does a 3G Xoom from Best Buy require a month of data plan
2.) Since we know VZW sells wifi unlocked, do they load any bloatware of any sort?
3.) Unrelated: How is battery life
4.) What would you recommend, pick up a 3G enabled Xoom for $200 or a free Wifi model in a week
EDIT: I have $100 in Best Buy gift cards so that make buying it cheaper
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1.) No
2.) No
3.) Superb. You won't be disappointed.
4.) I would pick up the 3G (that's what I have) mainly so you can the option to get insurance on it in vase you lose it, someone steals it or it breaks.
I hope I helped, any more questions feel free to ask.
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wait for xoom wifi.
3g/4g is not necessary if you have rooted android phone.
if you have money to burn, sure, get the 3g version. but imo, stick with wifi
See I wanted the possibility of 3G, so if I don't need a data plan from best buy that's great!
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Buy the 3G/4G at Best Buy, but with no service. Pay month to month. You don't want a 2 year contract. so your will pay the full price
If you live in a 4g area I would do the 3g/4g. Lte is so great. I'm getting 20mbs download on my thunderbolt.
I was in the same delima I had purchased a zoom from bb off contract...after a whiile whipping out your phone everytime you want to connect got to be annoying also you then have to charge both because tethering does drain battery. Not to mention RSS feeds and stuff that downloads in the background. Want to check it fire off an email...with out your phone or set it up to tether.
Also if you don't have a 4g phone you are missing out on that. In the end you should decide your use case and base it off that. On contract if you get it go to Verizon because the 20 dollar a month plan at best buy will only save you 50 bucks on the phone.
The contract is $20 then? Is that a fixed rate and is that for 4G when I get the upgrade? And how much data do I get for 20
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Yes minimum contract is 20 a month for one gig of data. 80 percent of the time I'm on wifi so it works for me. In order to get the full 200 off from best buy you need t have the 80 dollar a month plan which gives you 10 gigs.
roflha said:
I am going to buy a Xoom, just wanted to start with that, now I was just curious about a few of the details.
So it is my birthday and my parents have said that they will get me the WiFi Xoom on the 27th or, since my birthday is today, I can pay the $200 difference and get one today tomorrow. This is where my dilemma lies.
I see some benefits to owning a 3G/4G model, never know when you may need to get a data plan to use. However, I currently have a rooted android phone so I am able to tether the device instead. Then I read that some carriers may begin to crack down on unauthorized tethering in the near future.
So that makes me lean a bit towards getting a 3G model.
Problem is, I wasn't sure how the whole WiFi lockdown situation was. I though I heard that Wifi was not locked at best buy, but before that I thought that only verizon sold wifi without requiring a month of data.
Ok enough blathering on... here are my questions
1.) Does a 3G Xoom from Best Buy require a month of data plan
2.) Since we know VZW sells wifi unlocked, do they load any bloatware of any sort?
3.) Unrelated: How is battery life
4.) What would you recommend, pick up a 3G enabled Xoom for $200 or a free Wifi model in a week
EDIT: I have $100 in Best Buy gift cards so that make buying it cheaper
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If you tether form your phone you will not get 4G unless you upgrade your phone for $200. I would get the Xoom on contract and use the $200 you have saved to pay for the $20 data service. If you run low on the 1GB allowance you can always tether for the rest of the month. The money you save $200 + $200 pays for the data plan and you get 4G in the process.
This way if someone calls you, you will always be able to use the Xoom while talking, especially navigation which is very conservative on data and also caches local maps.
Also your resale value will be much higher. This is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Ok from what I've heard I'm going to pick up a 3G Xoom off contract from verizon. Most of my places I use it have wifi and I could get a contract in the future. Thank you everyone.
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Legacy2385 said:
1.) No
2.) No
3.) Superb. You won't be disappointed.
4.) I would pick up the 3G (that's what I have) mainly so you can the option to get insurance on it in vase you lose it, someone steals it or it breaks.
I hope I helped, any more questions feel free to ask.
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I have to say after reading about the whole att warning iphone users about tethering I wouldn't be surprised to see carriers lock down on that. I don't know the technicl aspect with android and if there even is a way to tell, but even if they do if you have a verizon android device they sell the wireless hotspot for $20 extra and it comes with 2gb. However, if you go over the 2gb then you pay another $20 for 2 gb. The comparable 3g plan is $20 for 1 gb, but you get the convenience of having 3G (and soon 4g) on your tablet. I picked up the 3g/4g model and i am currently on the $50/5gb plan. I have used just over 3gb so i am more than likely going to drop down to the $35/3gb plan. For me it was no decision I definately wanted the 3g model as i really want the 4g upgrade and that to me was worth the extra $200. This tablet is going to be great with that option. One'other reason is the tablet has the option to share the 3g/4g with up to 5 devices so that is another good option. I thought of getting rid of my incredible and going back to a feature plan as it has just been sitting around, but I decided to order the thunderbolt instead as i can't be without a smartphone. Believe me I tried it this last week. I hope this helps, and this is only my opinion. I feel the 3g is worth it as 4g will be great on this tabket and i feel it will be awhile before there is a better spec'd android tablet on the table (quad core?) I went with the 1 year contract so it should work great and i know this tablet will stay relevant for at least a year. I am really enjoyimg it and i must say having 3g built in really makes the device better in my opinion as i save battery life on my phone. I will more than likely be tethering my thunderbolt to the Xoom for the next month as i want 4g and it is free (hotspot) until may so i might drop down to the $20/1gb plan. One other thing to think about is the wifi only Xoom might not have GPS built in. I haven't read anything about so hopefully I am wrong, and i really don't have any reason to look into it as i have the 3g one. The ipad wifi one only uses cell tower triangulation and isn't very accurate so you might want to look into that if you plan on using google maps with the Xoom. I think you are smart to stay away from the two year contract though as the 3g/4g is, in my opinion, the way to go, but I think this early in the game stay away from contracts at all cost unless the is an option for 1 year. I have it as i am an employee so it is a no brainer.
The battery I have been so surprised with. It has been great and i have yet to need a charger during the day (and I bring it everywhere with me). You should have no problem with the battery as i am getting a good 6-8 hours of heavy use out of it and still end up with 30-50 percent when i put in the charger. It has been the best part if this tablet so far as i have always struggled with battery life on android products. I don't even have to remember to turn off wifi and gps. Seriously the battery life will be a non issue take my word for it.
Good luck with your decision I hope this all helps.
Well I got the 3G Xoom without a contract.
I love it!
Thank you all
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angermeans said:
I have to say after reading about the whole att warning iphone users about tethering I wouldn't be surprised to see carriers lock down on that. I don't know the technicl aspect with android and if there even is a way to tell, but even if they do if you have a verizon android device they sell the wireless hotspot for $20 extra and it comes with 2gb. However, if you go over the 2gb then you pay another $20 for 2 gb. The comparable 3g plan is $20 for 1 gb, but you get the convenience of having 3G (and soon 4g) on your tablet. I picked up the 3g/4g model and i am currently on the $50/5gb plan. I have used just over 3gb so i am more than likely going to drop down to the $35/3gb plan. For me it was no decision I definately wanted the 3g model as i really want the 4g upgrade and that to me was worth the extra $200. This tablet is going to be great with that option. One'other reason is the tablet has the option to share the 3g/4g with up to 5 devices so that is another good option. I thought of getting rid of my incredible and going back to a feature plan as it has just been sitting around, but I decided to order the thunderbolt instead as i can't be without a smartphone. Believe me I tried it this last week. I hope this helps, and this is only my opinion. I feel the 3g is worth it as 4g will be great on this tabket and i feel it will be awhile before there is a better spec'd android tablet on the table (quad core?) I went with the 1 year contract so it should work great and i know this tablet will stay relevant for at least a year. I am really enjoyimg it and i must say having 3g built in really makes the device better in my opinion as i save battery life on my phone. I will more than likely be tethering my thunderbolt to the Xoom for the next month as i want 4g and it is free (hotspot) until may so i might drop down to the $20/1gb plan. One other thing to think about is the wifi only Xoom might not have GPS built in. I haven't read anything about so hopefully I am wrong, and i really don't have any reason to look into it as i have the 3g one. The ipad wifi one only uses cell tower triangulation and isn't very accurate so you might want to look into that if you plan on using google maps with the Xoom. I think you are smart to stay away from the two year contract though as the 3g/4g is, in my opinion, the way to go, but I think this early in the game stay away from contracts at all cost unless the is an option for 1 year. I have it as i am an employee so it is a no brainer.
The battery I have been so surprised with. It has been great and i have yet to need a charger during the day (and I bring it everywhere with me). You should have no problem with the battery as i am getting a good 6-8 hours of heavy use out of it and still end up with 30-50 percent when i put in the charger. It has been the best part if this tablet so far as i have always struggled with battery life on android products. I don't even have to remember to turn off wifi and gps. Seriously the battery life will be a non issue take my word for it.
Good luck with your decision I hope this all helps.
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once you leave the 1gb plan you can't go back to it. Verizon had message show that before i changed my plan to the 3gb one. The 1gb plan is just introductory it seems
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Wow didn't know that...funny when I was getting mine he didn't mention it. Guess I'm tethering if I yet close to one gig. To he honest overages aren't all that had...
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I am going to buy a Xoom, just wanted to start with that, now I was just curious about a few of the details.
So it is my birthday and my parents have said that they will get me the WiFi Xoom on the 27th or, since my birthday is today, I can pay the $200 difference and get one today tomorrow. This is where my dilemma lies.
I see some benefits to owning a 3G/4G model, never know when you may need to get a data plan to use. However, I currently have a rooted android phone so I am able to tether the device instead. Then I read that some carriers may begin to crack down on unauthorized tethering in the near future.
So that makes me lean a bit towards getting a 3G model.
Problem is, I wasn't sure how the whole WiFi lockdown situation was. I though I heard that Wifi was not locked at best buy, but before that I thought that only verizon sold wifi without requiring a month of data.
EDIT: really late post sorry
Ok enough blathering on... here are my questions
1.) Does a 3G Xoom from Best Buy require a month of data plan
2.) Since we know VZW sells wifi unlocked, do they load any bloatware of any sort?
3.) Unrelated: How is battery life
4.) What would you recommend, pick up a 3G enabled Xoom for $200 or a free Wifi model in a week
EDIT: I have $100 in Best Buy gift cards so that make buying it cheaper
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1) I bought mine at best buy. Did not get a plan. It worked great on wifi right when i went home. However I soon got in situation where I wanted internet to use my Xoom and there was none. So two weeks in a broke down and got a plan. Since I have verizon I added the line on my account from the comfort of my home using verizons online website. Just make sure you save the sticker that comes with yoru Xoom. It has a bunch of numbers on it. Because when registering it will ask for these numbers. After 15 minutes i just clicked activate on my Xoom and boom, i now had 3g, no verizon phone call or store needed.
2) They sell the Xoom HW the same no matter where purchase it from. Well unless its a shady vendor that is. If the box says Motorola Zoom, don't get it, unless you want a nook with honeycomb
3) battery is grand
4) I got the 3g, i thought i would regret it at first, but as I said, i saw the need for it pretty soon and I'm very happy with my decision.
I got the 3/4G version at the steal price but as long as I have my company paying for unlimited data with my iPhone I won't need the data plan for the Xoom itself. I don't tether a lot but I'm afraid that AT&T will complain if I did.
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Has anyone managed to get their hands on a 10.1 3G yet? Any countries where they are available at all?
And if so, can anyone suggest a retailer which offers international shipping?
The US will have a 4G model through Verizon. Pre-orders are being taken now with a 4-6 week estimated ship delay. It has said 4-6 weeks for two weeks.
Based on the Xoom 4G update debacle, I'll only buy the 10.1 4G when it is in stores. When this happens is anyone's guess at this point.
I've got no info to support this, but I think the Xoom's LTE update and the 10.1's launch are somehow connected.
If the Samsung 4G model ships before the Xoom upgrade program is started, my irritation being an early adopter will turn into anger.
And yes, I own a Xoom and a WiFi 10.1. I much prefer the form factor on the Samsung (Samsung is wider and longer, but much thinner).
http://cgi.ebay.it/Samsung-Galaxy-T...420?pt=Telefoni_cellulari&hash=item3cba0db5b4
I was worried about not having a GSM radio on mine, but having a phone with WiFi Hotspot has saved me the extra charge and no longer personally feel need for the GSM version, just a personal thought
yup me two*
i'll use tethering but some carriers dont allow it or unless you pay a fee
maybe he's in that case...
Thanks for the replies. I am in South Africa so the upcoming 4G model is not an option, I am looking for a 3G model.
I have considered a Wifi model but data plans on a voice contract are very expensive here. Dedicated data plans on a dedicated data SIM are however very cheap. As such I can get one year of 2GB a month for a once off fee of $120 (+- &$10 a month).
Adding a data plan to my phone contract would on the other hand cost me more than double that so its not really an option.
I am hooked on the 10.1 as well so not considering any other tablet. If worst comes to show I will get the Wifi model but if I can get a 3G model then I will, even if its $200 more.
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http://cgi.ebay.it/Samsung-Galaxy-T...420?pt=Telefoni_cellulari&hash=item3cba0db5b4
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Eur400 and 22 for shipping to South Africa! It seems too good to be true. Does anyone have experience with this guy? He does have 98.5% positive ratings and is a power seller but 400!?!
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Eur400 and 22 for shipping to South Africa! It seems too good to be true. Does anyone have experience with this guy? He does have 98.5% positive ratings and is a power seller but 400!?!
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He only ships to italy. how did you get shipping info to south africa?
feedback is 99.8%
lol well if you dont want them its up to you but he sold 7 in one day and there's 2 left !
@xavier you have to contact him to get the worldwide shipping price
Tim182 said:
Thanks for the replies. I am in South Africa so the upcoming 4G model is not an option, I am looking for a 3G model.
I have considered a Wifi model but data plans on a voice contract are very expensive here. Dedicated data plans on a dedicated data SIM are however very cheap. As such I can get one year of 2GB a month for a once off fee of $120 (+- &$10 a month).
Adding a data plan to my phone contract would on the other hand cost me more than double that so its not really an option.
I am hooked on the 10.1 as well so not considering any other tablet. If worst comes to show I will get the Wifi model but if I can get a 3G model then I will, even if its $200 more.
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I travel to Africa often, what I suggest you get is a MiFi such as Novatel 2352 which I use, I simply get a data SIM card and my laptop, cellphone, IPAD, Smasung TAB can all get a wireless signal wherever I am, save yoruself getting a GSM device and invest the extra dosh on one of these devices, cost around $200, well worth it
Im in Norway and just ordered the White 3G edition form CDON.COM for 4600 NOK
Got mine (GSM 3G) from Samsung store in Indonesia. Dont believe they'll do international shipping.
Just curious to see how many have pre ordered and if you are moving from an international to the ATT version.
I have not preordered, but I am interested in the ATT version due to prevalent LTE where I live. I will wait to see all of the reviews and user feedback before getting one. I will most likely keep my current GNote since it gets updates from DBT and HSPA+ and battery life are great. I have a skyrocket that I will sell if I get the LTE version.
I did see a list of the apps that will be loaded on the ATT version and it is nice to have a version without all the bloat!
What's the big deal about LTE? I live in Europe, and I just get HSPA+ so I can't comment about it, but do you guys really tether THAT much to require those kinds of speeds? :S Don't get me wrong, the faster the better, but I paid 535 euros for my unlocked device. I don't think I could shove out any more money for the same model with a different radio and minus a hardware button.
So ... do you tether THAT much? I have unlimited data and I have tethered all of 3 times and that's because ADSL was down for an hour. Lol. I'd imagine LTE on the actual phone doesn't make much of a difference while mobile browsing or emailing as they're such small packets.
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What's the big deal about LTE? I live in Europe, and I just get HSPA+ so I can't comment about it, but do you guys really tether THAT much to require those kinds of speeds? :S Don't get me wrong, the faster the better, but I paid 535 euros for my unlocked device. I don't think I could shove out any more money for the same model with a different radio and minus a hardware button.
So ... do you tether THAT much? I have unlimited data and I have tethered all of 3 times and that's because ADSL was down for an hour. Lol. I'd imagine LTE on the actual phone doesn't make much of a difference while mobile browsing or emailing as they're such small packets.
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I do not tether at all personally. I have a Verizon LTE myfi for my work laptop. LTE is quite prevalent hometown (Dallas- Fort Worth) and in my Homestate of Texas where most larger cites have it. I have an unlimited LTE plan and have a skyrocket. I love my International GNote and will keep this one and probably sell my skyrocket. LTE is quite fast (20-60 mbps) and if I am going to use the GNote as my full time phone, I want LTE. I video call with my children when traveling in Texas without having to rely on the hotel wifi or hooking up my work wifi. If I want to stream netflix I do it over wifi, since I do not want to hog the bandwidth.
Keep in mind this is my plan which is based on the LTE version here having stellar reviews. As far as the cost, I do not have many others hobbies since I have young kids and a wife lol! My wife is understanding of my phone & watch addictions. Besides, if she is really good, she may get my International GNote to try out!
There is a att note forum now. Go look there for all the preorders threads. There are plenty.
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I have unlimited on an international Note. It is very easy to hit 2 gigs on HSDPA. With ATT sending out texts to those who use as tether as little as 2 gigs, I'm not sure if the LTE model is for me. I'd hate to lock in a contract only to have ATT breathing down my neck if I actually use LTE. Surely flying past 2 gigs would be very easy at those speeds. No thanks.
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I have unlimited on an international Note. It is very easy to hit 2 gigs on HSDPA. With ATT sending out texts to those who use as tether as little as 2 gigs, I'm not sure if the LTE model is for me. I'd hate to lock in a contract only to have ATT breathing down my neck if I actually use LTE. Surely flying past 2 gigs would be very easy at those speeds. No thanks.
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2 gigs? In DFW, I think the LTE texts start at around 5 gigs. 2 gigs would suck. That is not hard to do at all on hspa+ Seems wifi is everywhere where I live. I do agree the gigs can fly by faster on LTE. I have considered the new 5 gig plan with tethering but 50 bucks...
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yes preordered att note.
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Just curious to see how many have pre ordered and if you are moving from an international to the ATT version.
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Oh helllllll no!!! LTE without unlimited access (and by unlimited, I mean truly unlimited; no throttling) is a joke! Forget about it! I'm not interested! Plus, supposedly I was throttled over my last billing period, and honestly, I didn't even notice it. Was still getting ~3mbit on HSPA+, which is plenty fine for most stuff anyway. Burned through about 6gigs of data last period. No tethering either.
Plus Exynos is a beast. Seriously...
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I do not tether at all personally. I have a Verizon LTE myfi for my work laptop. LTE is quite prevalent hometown (Dallas- Fort Worth) and in my Homestate of Texas where most larger cites have it. I have an unlimited LTE plan and have a skyrocket. I love my International GNote and will keep this one and probably sell my skyrocket. LTE is quite fast (20-60 mbps) and if I am going to use the GNote as my full time phone, I want LTE. I video call with my children when traveling in Texas without having to rely on the hotel wifi or hooking up my work wifi. If I want to stream netflix I do it over wifi, since I do not want to hog the bandwidth.
Keep in mind this is my plan which is based on the LTE version here having stellar reviews. As far as the cost, I do not have many others hobbies since I have young kids and a wife lol! My wife is understanding of my phone & watch addictions. Besides, if she is really good, she may get my International GNote to try out!
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Question: If you already have a VZW LTE hotspot, A) are you grandfathered into unlimited data with VZW? and B) why not just keep your international Note and use the hotspot for when you need the extra bandwidth?
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Oh helllllll no!!! LTE without unlimited access (and by unlimited, I mean truly unlimited; no throttling) is a joke! Forget about it! I'm not interested! Plus, supposedly I was throttled over my last billing period, and honestly, I didn't even notice it. Was still getting ~3mbit on HSPA+, which is plenty fine for most stuff anyway. Burned through about 6gigs of data last period. No tethering either.
Plus Exynos is a beast. Seriously...
Question: If you already have a VZW LTE hotspot, A) are you grandfathered into unlimited data with VZW? and B) why not just keep your international Note and use the hotspot for when you need the extra bandwidth?
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Exactly what I plan to do. I have two grandfathered unlimited lines on VZW. So I'm going to do the Straighttalk $45 no contract deal and just wifi my Note from my hotspot off my RAZR. Just trying to decide if I want to buy a white Note or black Note.
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Exactly what I plan to do. I have two grandfathered unlimited lines on VZW. So I'm going to do the Straighttalk $45 no contract deal and just wifi my Note from my hotspot off my RAZR. Just trying to decide if I want to buy a white Note or black Note.
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Sounds like a good plan to me! I would avoid the AT&T version though, seriously. AT&T are a bunch of d!ck$ when it comes to unlocking their devices, using them in ways they didn't intend, and oh yeah, they still put Carrier IQ on their stuff AFAIK, so the AT&T Note will likely have that too. Not to mention, the discounted price only applies for a renewed 2-year agreement anyway, so you're either locked into that for another 2 years, or you're stuck with an ETF. Either way, they're gonna recoup the cost one way or another. Being that as the case, you're really just better off importing another unlocked Note and going pay-as-you-go on that $45 plan from Straight Talk
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Oh helllllll no!!! LTE without unlimited access (and by unlimited, I mean truly unlimited; no throttling) is a joke! Forget about it! I'm not interested! Plus, supposedly I was throttled over my last billing period, and honestly, I didn't even notice it. Was still getting ~3mbit on HSPA+, which is plenty fine for most stuff anyway. Burned through about 6gigs of data last period. No tethering either.
Plus Exynos is a beast. Seriously...
Question: If you already have a VZW LTE hotspot, A) are you grandfathered into unlimited data with VZW? and B) why not just keep your international Note and use the hotspot for when you need the extra bandwidth?
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I always get a kick out of your posts! The Verizon Mifi is through a corporate account so I do not know if it is unlimited. I do plan to keep my International Note! I have a skyrocket as my primary phone (I swap SIM's every week or so) I love my GNote and figure I can sell the skyrocket and get the LTE GNote. I do not want to give up my International with all the aspects of having unlocked and updates. I also just love the LTE Network and figure I will love it more with a GNote!
planoman said:
I always get a kick out of your posts!
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Why thank you good sir! I must admit that I do try being a bit edgy while remaining helpful, and of course telling it like it is!
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The Verizon Mifi is through a corporate account so I do not know if it is unlimited.
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Well, in that case, frankly you don't need to know! You're not paying the bill, so it's not your problem LOL!!! Consider it part of your "benefits package"
Yes, Ordered the Note Sunday at the AT&T store near me... White one on it's way, now I can retire my Dell Streak!
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Yes, Ordered the Note Sunday at the AT&T store near me... White one on it's way, now I can retire my Dell Streak!
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Same here preordered mine from Bestbuy. Will also retired my great Dell Streak.
Sent from the SuperStreak! ;-)
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yes pre-ordered, will also retire my Dell Streak 5
*sigh* Perhaps this is an appropriate time to breathe life back into an old thread of mine explaining why you should always buy unlocked, and why buying subsidized devices hurts competition and consumer choice...
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*sigh* Perhaps this is an appropriate time to breathe life back into an old thread of mine explaining why you should always buy unlocked, and why buying subsidized devices hurts competition and consumer choice...
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Once people say this about buying unlocked "But remember, the carrier will recoup the cost of selling you a discounted device over the term of your service agreement, so you're gonna pay some way or another anyhow. " I stop reading because it makes no sense.
How does ATT recoup the cost of selling me a diiscounted device over the 2 years? I have a couple options...
A) Buy a phone for $299, and then for the next 24 months pay for my Family Plan including 550 minutes, Unlimited Text and Unlimited Data for both lines, after corporate discount, I pay roughly $135/month, or $3240 for the plan + $299 for the phone, a total of $3539
B) Buy an unlocked phone for $699, and then for the next 24 months STILL pay for my Family Plan including 550 minutes, Unlimited Text and Unlimited Data for both lines, plan totalling $3240 over the 2 years, and the phone being $699, so a total of $3939
In the end, who paid $400 MORE over the course of two years? You did. You said it yourself, especially in the US, what am I supposed to do, switch to T-Mobile and deal with a) crappy service in my area and b) different radio frequencies potentially limiting my data speeds? Goto a regional carrier with again, crappy service in my area?
When you say it's ALWAYS better to buy unlocked, you're plain wrong. As much as you don't want to hear it, you bought your 7.7 Tab from AT&T, and agreed to the Terms of User when you signed the contract, if you didn't think it was fair at the time, you shouldn't have entered the contract, simple as that. It may work out for you to buy International, but you can't make that blanket statement for everyone.
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Once people say this about buying unlocked "But remember, the carrier will recoup the cost of selling you a discounted device over the term of your service agreement, so you're gonna pay some way or another anyhow. " I stop reading because it makes no sense.
How does ATT recoup the cost of selling me a diiscounted device over the 2 years? I have a couple options...
A) Buy a phone for $299, and then for the next 24 months pay for my Family Plan including 550 minutes, Unlimited Text and Unlimited Data for both lines, after corporate discount, I pay roughly $135/month, or $3240 for the plan + $299 for the phone, a total of $3539
B) Buy an unlocked phone for $699, and then for the next 24 months STILL pay for my Family Plan including 550 minutes, Unlimited Text and Unlimited Data for both lines, plan totalling $3240 over the 2 years, and the phone being $699, so a total of $3939
In the end, who paid $400 MORE over the course of two years? You did. You said it yourself, especially in the US, what am I supposed to do, switch to T-Mobile and deal with a) crappy service in my area and b) different radio frequencies potentially limiting my data speeds? Goto a regional carrier with again, crappy service in my area?
When you say it's ALWAYS better to buy unlocked, you're plain wrong. As much as you don't want to hear it, you bought your 7.7 Tab from AT&T, and agreed to the Terms of User when you signed the contract, if you didn't think it was fair at the time, you shouldn't have entered the contract, simple as that. It may work out for you to buy International, but you can't make that blanket statement for everyone.
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Or you can spend $50/month for unlimited everything on a pay-as-you-go plan and save yourself $2040 over the course of 2 years for one device. If your family plan has two lines on it (judging by your monthly cost), and say you bought two unlocked Note's, (So, $100/month x 24 months = $2400 + 2 Note's @ $700 each, brings you up to a total of $3800 over 2 years) you're still saving about $140, plus you're getting all the added benefits of owning an unlocked device, as described in my article. Also, this assumes you never sell your Note when you get tired of it and want to upgrade. You can further reduce the long-term cost by selling your device when you want to move on. Nearly two years after I got my old Galaxy S, I was still able to sell it for about $300 and some change.
I preordered Sunday afternoon.
Hello,
I currently live in Japan and am quite lucky to get my Edge today 10/23rd (around 6pm, Japan time). I am not a big forum user, and barely write any threads but I thought I would share some info and impressions in the coming days.
As I am a full-time teacher and father, my free time is quite limited but I will do my best.
As you know, Japan is the first country to get the edge and as planned I should get mine in a few hours. Browsing the carrier website (DOCoMo), I stumbled upon the user guides (simple and complete). Most of it is similar to the Galaxy Note 4 so it may not be very exciting for you guys... There aren't any English versions, sorry.
Annoying thing: the AC adapter and cables are sold separately. I am still not sure of the price but it should be quite reasonable.
As the guides are quite heavy, I am attaching the link, not the files.
https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/support/trouble/manual/download/sc01g/download.html
Enjoy,
David
Thanks. Post as much as your time allows.
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same question i asked tokyoguy how much did you buy it and how many yen is it more expensive than the note 4?
do they have lots of stocks or just a few?
Good morning. The phone was very expensive with my carrier (Docomo) as a continuing costumer. The original price was 98000 yen, roughly 1000$. With a 2 year contract, the price was down by 40%, but the data and call plans you can choose from are all very expensive, around 6000 for voice and 2gb of 4G.
alsomy carrier does not have the note 4. as it is will not be released in Japan.
Keep us updated for anthing thing you want to say about it.
I am still wait for it. Thanks
Also, since I had preordered the device on day 1, I don't know about the quantity. However, another carrier which was supposed to have them today too had to cancel and delay the release by a few days/weeks since they did not receive enough.
First impressions. After a few hours of use and settings fun.
First,I should mention that my previous (i.e until yesterday) phone was a GS2. Compared with the GS 2, the edge is obviously a huge leap, pun intended.
The build quality is nothing short of amazing, I actually kept in my pocket at work, just to keep touching the back cover.
About the edge screen: I really thought it would prevent me from holding the phone firmly but it does not. The biggest hurdle is the size, coming from a smaller phone.
Having regular hands and fingers, I can use it with one hand without being bothered by the edge screen but it obviously is much easier to hold with 2 hands.
I also noticed it is sluggish, but it may get better as I uninstall, disable bloat ware.
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Good morning. The phone was very expensive with my carrier (Docomo) as a continuing costumer. The original price was 98000 yen, roughly 1000$. With a 2 year contract, the price was down by 40%, but the data and call plans you can choose from are all very expensive, around 6000 for voice and 2gb of 4G.
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I got my monthly bill down by not doing any of their net services (and use a mobile router instead). So my monthly bill is around 4,500 yen (that includes talk time and the phone payments as well. )
Just fyi
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I got my monthly bill down by not doing any of their net services (and use a mobile router instead). So my monthly bill is around 4,500 yen (that includes talk time and the phone payments as well. )
Just fyi
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May I ask what you pay for the mobile router and which company you use?
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May I ask what you pay for the mobile router and which company you use?
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I pay 3,450 or so for the router. I use wimax, but I seriously can't recommend them. If you can handle only 7GB a month, I'd say go with docomo or emobile(now Ymobile)
I chose wimax because they have a no-limit policy... but their connection is horrible ><
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