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post your first thoughts of your new HTC Aria

Well, I'm just wondering what everyone else is thinking. I just purchased the aria after buying (and returning the motorola backflip) - which btw, I have to give *some* credit. I read a lot of bad things about the backflip and I have to say, I really didn't have all that many problems with the phone, i personally thought it was a step up from my tilt2.. I was at my wits end with either winmo or htc.. but the backflip just didn't have enough power for me and I feared att would take forever to release 2.1 for the device.
Anyway, so far ( my first few hours ) with the aria, I am quite impressed. I wanted a small device and I think this packs a nice little punch. My experience has been fairly good. There are a couple things I dislike already about the phone.. the speaker quality is really bothering me, I can barely hear when I'm getting a phone call, the actual handset sound quality is not bad, its crisp and clear, but not NEARLY as good at the backflip.. if anything the backflip should get some excellent credit for having a great speaker and sound quality. The headphones or ear buds are HUGE, I'm not a small guy, but how is someone suppose to stick those huge buds in their ear hole? I'm slightly concerned about battery life, but I understand this may be an issue with most of android phones (or 2.1 down maybe???) but really that's about the only downfalls I'm running into at the moment. Overall I am quite satisfied with the device and think I'm actually going to keep this one. I love how it's just zipping through most screens and programs. I seen some video reviews of android central putting it through some benchmark test along with 3 other devices and this aria kept up with them.. (and even beat the droid, yes, I know, droid has twice the resolution but still.. not bad). Oh and I was also really concerned with the low resolution of the device, I understand a higher res on such a tiny screen would make things very hard to read. This screen is very vivid and I don't know why I was so concerned anymore.
would I buy my mom this phone? heck yah, so far, it's ranked up there in my list of fav phones.. and maybe take the #1 spot here soon after more playing around. (YES, UNTIL MY NEXT DEVICE!!!)
well, just thought I would say Hi to all my fellow aria owners, see what you guys thought and maybe offer some opinions for others who haven't bought the device.

I picked up the phone yesterday and I have to say I'm really enjoying it so far. For the 600mhz processor it's packing it's actually VERY responsive. I have been pleasantly surprised at the speed this little guy packs (and that's coming from a Nexus One owner!). The screen looks small when placed beside my Nexus One but while using the device I find myself having plenty of room to browse, type, and just about do anything. So far so good!
Ever since I got my Nexus One and ditched iPhone I've been looking at the Legend but didn't want to give up 3G. This device in my opinion is a smaller and more pocketable model. It has the same processor, screen size, and resolution but it's not AMOLED (which doesn't bother me because I can see it in sunlight) and runs just about identical software. Over all I'm impressed with the device.
Now hopefully it will see a root pretty soon and maybe even some ROMs/Kernels if were lucky!

HTC Aria
I just registered to xda-developers to post about the HTC Aria. The thing about the phone is that it's FAST. For a 600MHz processor, it screams. I've seen the EVO 4G and Droid and the Aria seems to keep up in terms of smoothness. Listening to music, surfing the web and getting text at the same time is smooth.
I have the phone fully charged, with brightness set to automatic, and wifi turned on so we'll see how long the phone lasts through out a normal day.

I went to the ATT store yesterday to check the phone out in person. I was pretty impressed with its speed over all. I had no issues with the screen size what so ever. In fact... the fact that the phone is small and very thin (compared to my Tilt 1) makes it one of my first choices for a new phone. BUT... I'm out of contract with ATT on July 5th and am thinking of switching to sprint and getting an EVO but I have yet to get my hands on one to really compare. But again... the size of the Aria is very appealing to me. And I'm not so sure Sprint will have the coverage I need in all the places I go?
I REALLY hate how ATT neuters their phones!!! And hate it even more that i have an UNLIMITED data plan now...BUT.... ATT wants to charge me more a month for a new data plan for "smart phones". $5 more for 200megs $15 more for 2GBs, and I for get how much more if I want to teather... WTF??? I can teather NOW (and do often)... such a rip off... data is data and unlimited is unlimited in my mind!!! Sprint would be the exact same price I pay now for unlimited everything and and i could get an EVO.
I think my biggest concern with the Aria is that... until I root it, and am able to change radios, i'm worried about signal strength!!! My tilt was BAD until I installed the radio I have now around here. It was impossiable to travel and talk on it because I kept loosing signal. I drive a lot for work, and to some remote places too, I could look at my in dash NAV screen and watch the signal drop out every couple mins. Installed the battery eating monster and all was well. But I REALLY don't want to go through that again, I'd actually like it to be good out of the box (imagine that?)
I had recently played with a friends backflip and managed to lock it up inside 15mins and had to reboot it to get it to function again. Plus i didn't care for the keyboard on the outside and lack of 2.1 to start with... So I'm still on the fence... nice sized Arai but still have to deal with ATT, or go to Sprint, get an EVO and the great unknown of how my service will be. Live in 12866 but travle 100+ miles in every direction for work.
So far I'm 60/40 toward the Aria... maybe once it's rooted I'll make the jump??? IDK!
Chris

sentinel_cm said:
I REALLY hate how ATT neuters their phones!!! And hate it even more that i have an UNLIMITED data plan now...BUT.... ATT wants to charge me more a month for a new data plan for "smart phones". $5 more for 200megs $15 more for 2GBs, and I for get how much more if I want to teather... WTF??? I can teather NOW (and do often)... such a rip off... data is data and unlimited is unlimited in my mind!!! Sprint would be the exact same price I pay now for unlimited everything and and i could get an EVO.
Chris
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Actually, if you already have an unlimited data plan, you can keep it as long as you like, even if you switch phones. I had the HTC Fuze for the longest time and as long a you mention that you want to keep your unlimited plan, you should be able to keep it.

lorcharlie said:
Actually, if you already have an unlimited data plan, you can keep it as long as you like, even if you switch phones. I had the HTC Fuze for the longest time and as long a you mention that you want to keep your unlimited plan, you should be able to keep it.
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I had this arguement with the people who work at the ATT store too... I couldn't get them to upgrade me to the Arai and keep my plan AS IS. I can get the phone via the store for $130, or $29 via ATT web site (both with 2yr contract extensions). But both require me to upgrade to the dataplan for smart phones. I'm going to try the 800 # and see if I can get my way... I have in the past.
Chris

Those AT&T guys needs an update. When I went to get my phone on Sunday, I was the only informed person about the HTC Aria. They had to go online to find the phone cause they didn't believe me. I got the only one there that day.
BestBuy Mobile acknowledges that you have an unlimited plan and will keep you on it when I went to ask them on Saturday. If AT&T doesn't work, BB?

go to best buy, i work there and at least at my location the mobile team knows all about the aria, its 129 and we dont have any mail in rebates, its all in store

lorcharlie said:
Those AT&T guys needs an update. When I went to get my phone on Sunday, I was the only informed person about the HTC Aria. They had to go online to find the phone cause they didn't believe me. I got the only one there that day.
BestBuy Mobile acknowledges that you have an unlimited plan and will keep you on it when I went to ask them on Saturday. If AT&T doesn't work, BB?
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I just spent 30 mins on the phone with ATT and here's where I got....
I'm told that I have the "wrong" data plan for the phone I have now. I find this amuseing because I bought the phone 2 years ago via the web site, and the plan in March at the ATT store. They tell me that as soon as I put my sim chip in the Arai my plan would be automatically upgraded, I call BS!!! (heard this from the guy in the store too). I gave them a "little bit" of hard time and talked to a manager too.
The manager was very cool and was willing to work with me... He offered to change me to the 200Mb smart phone data plan + unlimited text. This would bring my bill up $5 a month for the 2 year contract. He then offered me a $120 credit to my account to cover the extra $5 for the whole 2 years. I told him I wanted to think about it and he put a note on my account and told me I could do the online thing then call back and referance the note and get the credit.
So... I can upgrade to the Aria for $29 via att site, my bill goes up $5 a month, but they will give me a $120 credit to cover it. Not bad...
Now my thought process is this... IS 200Mb enough... I adverage about 15Mbs normally but with a full HTML browser and Android as a new toy will it be enough???? Or do I jump ship for Sprint and a $200 Evo???
Decisions decisions....

sentinel_cm said:
I just spent 30 mins on the phone with ATT and here's where I got....
I'm told that I have the "wrong" data plan for the phone I have now. I find this amuseing because I bought the phone 2 years ago via the web site, and the plan in March at the ATT store. They tell me that as soon as I put my sim chip in the Arai my plan would be automatically upgraded, I call BS!!! (heard this from the guy in the store too). I gave them a "little bit" of hard time and talked to a manager too.
The manager was very cool and was willing to work with me... He offered to change me to the 200Mb smart phone data plan + unlimited text. This would bring my bill up $5 a month for the 2 year contract. He then offered me a $120 credit to my account to cover the extra $5 for the whole 2 years. I told him I wanted to think about it and he put a note on my account and told me I could do the online thing then call back and referance the note and get the credit.
So... I can upgrade to the Aria for $29 via att site, my bill goes up $5 a month, but they will give me a $120 credit to cover it. Not bad...
Now my thought process is this... IS 200Mb enough... I adverage about 15Mbs normally but with a full HTML browser and Android as a new toy will it be enough???? Or do I jump ship for Sprint and a $200 Evo???
Decisions decisions....
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That really depends on how you are going to use it. If you use wifi most of the time and don't use 3G to do much multimedia streaming, then you should be fine. Don't download big email attachments and don't send them while on 3g. 200mb is not a lot of data for this type of smartphone, but if you don't want to pony up for more data, you can stay within 200mb with some discipline and judicious use of cell data. Restricting most of your playing to wifi will help a lot.
T-Mobile and Sprint both offer more attractive data plans that might work for you. But where I live and travel, only AT&T and Verizon offer the kind of service that make it worth having a cell phone at all. If I lived and traveled in a more urban area, I'd have a lot more choices.

sentinel_cm said:
I just spent 30 mins on the phone with ATT and here's where I got....
I'm told that I have the "wrong" data plan for the phone I have now. I find this amuseing because I bought the phone 2 years ago via the web site, and the plan in March at the ATT store. They tell me that as soon as I put my sim chip in the Arai my plan would be automatically upgraded, I call BS!!! (heard this from the guy in the store too). I gave them a "little bit" of hard time and talked to a manager too.
The manager was very cool and was willing to work with me... He offered to change me to the 200Mb smart phone data plan + unlimited text. This would bring my bill up $5 a month for the 2 year contract. He then offered me a $120 credit to my account to cover the extra $5 for the whole 2 years. I told him I wanted to think about it and he put a note on my account and told me I could do the online thing then call back and referance the note and get the credit.
So... I can upgrade to the Aria for $29 via att site, my bill goes up $5 a month, but they will give me a $120 credit to cover it. Not bad...
Now my thought process is this... IS 200Mb enough... I adverage about 15Mbs normally but with a full HTML browser and Android as a new toy will it be enough???? Or do I jump ship for Sprint and a $200 Evo???
Decisions decisions....
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Here's some clarification on how the data plans work. In the past, there were a total of five data plans: Media Net, PDA, Blackberry, iPhone, and aircard data. Out of these five, only Media Net truly had unlimited data, but it was only for non-smartphones, such as the Samsung Eternity, or more recently, Samsung Sunburst, etc. The PDA, iPhone, and Blackberry plans were all $30, but none of them were truly unlimited. In the fine print on the brochures that had this plan, or if you ask any honest AT&T rep, you truly had a 5GB limit, just like the aircard plans.
This being said, you may have had Media Net on your phone before, but Media Net is not the internet plan associated with smartphones, the smartphone plans are. And if you did not have any of the smartphone data plans before, it is IMPOSSIBLE for AT&T (it is not a clickable option in the activation system any longer) to give you that old plan. For me, this doesn't matter. The AT&T online bill payment system has the option to see a nice graph of data usage for the previous six months to give you an idea of how much you use, and I think there is some truth to AT&T's statement that 98% of their users do not exceed 2GB. I myself peaked at 300 mb in May, so while my average is above the cheap $15 200 MB limit plan, It is well beneath the $25 2GB plan, which is cheaper than the archaic 5gb limit plans.
So you see, the unlimited smartphone data plan is a lie, there has never been one for AT&T (and of course, Verizon, because their plans mirror each other).

Not an owner yet.. but I have a renewal coming up, and I'm kicking the idea around. I've used Windows Mobile for a while now, but I really like the flexibility & apps available with Android.
I'm debating whether to just get the Aria, or use my upgrade to get an iPhone 3G, sell it then turn around & buy a Nexus one.
Assuming I do the adb thing to allow apps and then do a root to get rid of the bloatware, what would the pros & cons be between the Aria and the N1? I know the N1 has a larger screen and the faster processor, the Aria has the HTC interface.. is there anything other than that?

attn1 said:
That really depends on how you are going to use it. If you use wifi most of the time and don't use 3G to do much multimedia streaming, then you should be fine. Don't download big email attachments and don't send them while on 3g. 200mb is not a lot of data for this type of smartphone, but if you don't want to pony up for more data, you can stay within 200mb with some discipline and judicious use of cell data. Restricting most of your playing to wifi will help a lot.
T-Mobile and Sprint both offer more attractive data plans that might work for you. But where I live and travel, only AT&T and Verizon offer the kind of service that make it worth having a cell phone at all. If I lived and traveled in a more urban area, I'd have a lot more choices.
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I've never paid for a data plan on my Windows phones, I've always turned off pictures in my browser and rarely checked anything. I'd spend like $2-$3 per month on data..
But on this upgrade, it looks like I have to add a data plan, which is ok with me because of the new $15 option. Other than general web browsing, I might download or email small files (word/excel etc) here & there.. I run some websites that I might edit from time to time (if I can get used to the touchscreen keyboard).. I can't see myself doing any streaming.. The most data-intensive thing I can see myself doing is Google Maps/Navigation. Think I'd be ok with the 200MB plan? Is tethering possible on the new plans? I'd definitely do that if it was possible (but again, just for general use, no streaming or large files or anything..)

sentinel_cm said:
I just spent 30 mins on the phone with ATT and here's where I got....
I'm told that I have the "wrong" data plan for the phone I have now. I find this amuseing because I bought the phone 2 years ago via the web site, and the plan in March at the ATT store. They tell me that as soon as I put my sim chip in the Arai my plan would be automatically upgraded, I call BS!!! (heard this from the guy in the store too). I gave them a "little bit" of hard time and talked to a manager too.
The manager was very cool and was willing to work with me... He offered to change me to the 200Mb smart phone data plan + unlimited text. This would bring my bill up $5 a month for the 2 year contract. He then offered me a $120 credit to my account to cover the extra $5 for the whole 2 years. I told him I wanted to think about it and he put a note on my account and told me I could do the online thing then call back and referance the note and get the credit.
So... I can upgrade to the Aria for $29 via att site, my bill goes up $5 a month, but they will give me a $120 credit to cover it. Not bad...
Now my thought process is this... IS 200Mb enough... I adverage about 15Mbs normally but with a full HTML browser and Android as a new toy will it be enough???? Or do I jump ship for Sprint and a $200 Evo???
Decisions decisions....
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I was going to say that even though I have unlimited data, I realize that almost everywhere I'm at, I have Wi-Fi. That's something else to consider if they won't let you have unlimited data. You could probably do most of your steaming/downloading on Wi-Fi and only do 3g when necessary.
I just checked when I had my iPhone 3gs and I only used 300MB of 3g on average, which means most of my internet interactions were on wifi.
Just a thought. And yes, I can't wait for this phone to be rooted.

ShinerDraft said:
I've never paid for a data plan on my Windows phones, I've always turned off pictures in my browser and rarely checked anything. I'd spend like $2-$3 per month on data..
But on this upgrade, it looks like I have to add a data plan, which is ok with me because of the new $15 option. Other than general web browsing, I might download or email small files (word/excel etc) here & there.. I run some websites that I might edit from time to time (if I can get used to the touchscreen keyboard).. I can't see myself doing any streaming.. The most data-intensive thing I can see myself doing is Google Maps/Navigation. Think I'd be ok with the 200MB plan? Is tethering possible on the new plans? I'd definitely do that if it was possible (but again, just for general use, no streaming or large files or anything..)
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The "option" to teather is listed @ $45 per month. So $15 for 200Mb, $25 for 2Gb or $45 for 2Gb + Teather which is decribed as... "2 GB of data to share between your phone and your laptop or Netbook"
I'm sorry... but that is a TOTAL ripoff!!! $20 more to SHARE the same amount of data between my phone and laptop???

I just got my Aria yesterday and am so far happy with it. I still need to figure out how to push apps to it with the side step procedure linked elsewhere here in the forum, so the AT&T restriction really doesn't seem to be that big of a problem to me.
I concur on the insanity on the data plans with AT&T. I've got it doubly complicated as I have a Family plan shared with my husband's iPhone which has the grandfathered in unlimited data and we have unlimited text. The online upgrade system was still giving me the option last week of adding on to my phone for data unlimited for $10 more as we have the text option. But of course I got the same song and dance from the store monkeys on the 'well that's not for smartphones' dodge. Nicely done as far as SNAFU'd corporate communications goes. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from AT&T .
My only complaint with my phone so far is that it is unable to refind my unadvertised home wifi net after a reboot or extended sleep. There's probably a fix, I haven't looked yet for it.

I REALLY hate how ATT neuters their phones!!! And hate it even more that i have an UNLIMITED data plan now...BUT.... ATT wants to charge me more a month for a new data plan for "smart phones". $5 more for 200megs $15 more for 2GBs, and I for get how much more if I want to teather... WTF??? I can teather NOW (and do often)... such a rip off... data is data and unlimited is unlimited in my mind!!! Sprint would be the exact same price I pay now for unlimited everything and and i could get an EVO.
Chris,
I just went through the data question w/ AT&T (I know I can barely stand them) I was told that my 'unlimited' data plan was grandfathered and I didn't have to change anything, however, I did have to talk with customer service to have them set it up.

ShinerDraft said:
Assuming I do the adb thing to allow apps and then do a root to get rid of the bloatware, what would the pros & cons be between the Aria and the N1? I know the N1 has a larger screen and the faster processor, the Aria has the HTC interface.. is there anything other than that?
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I just went from an N1 to an Aria and like the change. Even though the N1 has a faster processor, the Aria is just as fast because it doesn't have as much to power. There are some articles out there which show it's comparable to the Evo and N1 in terms of speed (despite lower specs) (try http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=24656.0). I was saying in another post that the Aria can actually juggle 7 or so apps at a time while the N1 will start seriously lagging at just 3 or 4. This is before I had upgraded the N1 to 2.2, but a lot of Market apps were not available or compatible with that build (and some of the stuff I'd already purchased didn't show up!). Of course, the 2.2 build on N1 is 450% faster than the 2.1 build and could easily be considered the fastest android build out there.
I also had a lot of trouble holding onto the N1. It was sleek, but just a little *too* sleek, if you can imagine! I'd also had a negative buying experience with Google where their checkout software screwed up and then the manager-less customer service reps didn't have any idea about what to do (even though that was just my own personal experience).
The N1 did have a gorgeous, big screen and it was sweet on 2.2. The Live Wallpapers can be a thrill, if you are as easily amused as myself. But the Sense ui on the Aria is amazing and seems more interactive than what was on the N1.
Plus, if you root the N1, you void your manufacturer's warranty - your boot screen will display a message to that effect. With the G1, I was able to reload a stock rom and it was accepted under the original warranty. I'm hoping the Aria will be the same way. I was thinking I could root it (if/when that happens) and overclock, but it just doesn't seem to need it now....
Btw... anyone want to buy an N1?

damn pixie said:
I just went from an N1 to an Aria and like the change. Even though the N1 has a faster processor, the Aria is just as fast because it doesn't have as much to power. There are some articles out there which show it's comparable to the Evo and N1 in terms of speed (despite lower specs) (try http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=24656.0). I was saying in another post that the Aria can actually juggle 7 or so apps at a time while the N1 will start seriously lagging at just 3 or 4. This is before I had upgraded the N1 to 2.2, but a lot of Market apps were not available or compatible with that build (and some of the stuff I'd already purchased didn't show up!). Of course, the 2.2 build on N1 is 450% faster than the 2.1 build and could easily be considered the fastest android build out there.
I also had a lot of trouble holding onto the N1. It was sleek, but just a little *too* sleek, if you can imagine! I'd also had a negative buying experience with Google where their checkout software screwed up and then the manager-less customer service reps didn't have any idea about what to do (even though that was just my own personal experience).
The N1 did have a gorgeous, big screen and it was sweet on 2.2. The Live Wallpapers can be a thrill, if you are as easily amused as myself. But the Sense ui on the Aria is amazing and seems more interactive than what was on the N1.
Plus, if you root the N1, you void your manufacturer's warranty - your boot screen will display a message to that effect. With the G1, I was able to reload a stock rom and it was accepted under the original warranty. I'm hoping the Aria will be the same way. I was thinking I could root it (if/when that happens) and overclock, but it just doesn't seem to need it now....
Btw... anyone want to buy an N1?
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Ah just keep them both! Lol...I am and I'm still enjoying the hell out of my Aria. This thing doesn't skip a beat! Its easily the fastest 600mhz phone I've ever used. I'm guessing the smaller screen size needs less processing power or something because this little guy flys. I can't even imagine what it would do with a snap dragon! If we can get a root and maybe a 800-850mhz over clock on this bad boy it will be crazy fast.
On a side note my Aria is easily kicking my Nexus Ones ass in battery life. Im extremely surprised.

Can anyone who has an Aria comment on call sound quality, speaker phone quality & volume, and how the phone performs in general in reguards to having a signal vs. not having a signal on the network???

Explanation how Atrix 4G will cost you extra $153 USD a month (+)

Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
To get this into perspective, let's look at what's in the market.
For the price of the dock ($500) I got myself an Acer AS1810TZ netbook/notebook hybrid about 4 months ago. It has:
4GB RAM
320 GB HDD
1.3 Intel Pentium DualCore CPU
Easily handles 1080p video
Battery lasts for EIGHT HOURS (!!)
Full Windows 7 Ultimate OS
1366x768 screen resolution
If you don't want the laptop dock, then why even get Atrix 4G?
Think about it:
You DON'T need 1GB RAM, nothing to fill it with without the laptop.
Camera is crap - 5MP
Unable to do 1080p video. Maybe in 3 years it will, heh.
Only capable of HSPA+. No LTE, obviously.
FroYo. No word on GB update. Seiously, top of the line Android phone with 2.2 when 2.3 and 3.0 are out?
Forced MotoBlur
Probably a bootloader locked to HELL AND BACK to prevent hacking and free tethering
Let's face it - phone's ugly and looks like an old fat iphone.
I think conclusion is pretty obvious. It's quite entertaining to watch how AT&T keeps building itself a coffin, while repeatedly shooting itself in a leg, while drinking poison by the gallons.

Wow glad I don't have my tilt2 anymore and switched to sprint with prices like that there screwing them selves band there consumers that's just bs
sent from my hero which is a real hero now thanks to gb

HTC Pyramid.

Well, that's one usage scenario. I'm not sure why you'd pay that much for a phone off contract, though, with ATT. It's not like T-Mo where you can get a cheaper plan w/out phone subsidies.
If I were buying the Atrix, as a current ATT customer (like I am), and I wanted the dock, I'd just buy the combo deal which is $500 (plus tax) for both. That's $700+ less than what you have quoted.
Tethering is $20 a month, true, but I've been tethering on my ATT plans for years (since the iPhone 3G came out) and never paid any extra for it. I doubt that anyone on this forum wouldn't be able to figure out free tethering. I haven't looked into weather tethering is a required option on this phone, so I could be wrong. Side-note on the tethering: I have unlimited data for my phones on ATT, and last month I didn't have home internet while waiting for the cable co to install. I used well over 50GB of data that month. My wife used at least 10GB. I was able to stream Netflix to my HDTV and stay current with all my BitTorrent downloads (linux distros, y'know). And I don't pay for tethering. Not a word, slowdown, surcharge, complaint, or any throttling whatsoever from ATT. Plus I have the HSPA modem installed on my Captivate, so the data was quite fast (for a phone).
Anyone with an Android phone already pays for a data plan, so that isn't really sensible to add to the cost of the Atrix specifically, since it applies to every Android handset. Most decent Android handsets cost between $150-$200 (at least when they are new). So really, you are paying an extra $300 for... wait for it... a netbook! How much does a netbook cost? Oh, yeah, about $300. I paid $340 for mine, the OP says he paid $500 for something better.
That's cool, but the Atrix can also run Citrix for a full desktop experience if that's really what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjOND67hYCE

johnnydeathmatch said:
Well, that's one usage scenario. I'm not sure why you'd pay that much for a phone off contract, though, with ATT. It's not like T-Mo where you can get a cheaper plan w/out phone subsidies.
If I were buying the Atrix, as a current ATT customer (like I am), and I wanted the dock, I'd just buy the combo deal which is $500 (plus tax) for both. That's $700+ less than what you have quoted.
Tethering is $20 a month, true, but I've been tethering on my ATT plans for years (since the iPhone 3G came out) and never paid any extra for it. I doubt that anyone on this forum wouldn't be able to figure out free tethering. I haven't looked into weather tethering is a required option on this phone, so I could be wrong. Side-note on the tethering: I have unlimited data for my phones on ATT, and last month I didn't have home internet while waiting for the cable co to install. I used well over 50GB of data that month. My wife used at least 10GB. I was able to stream Netflix to my HDTV and stay current with all my BitTorrent downloads (linux distros, y'know). And I don't pay for tethering. Not a word, slowdown, surcharge, complaint, or any throttling whatsoever from ATT. Plus I have the HSPA modem installed on my Captivate, so the data was quite fast (for a phone).
Anyone with an Android phone already pays for a data plan, so that isn't really sensible to add to the cost of the Atrix specifically, since it applies to every Android handset. Most decent Android handsets cost between $150-$200 (at least when they are new). So really, you are paying an extra $300 for... wait for it... a netbook! How much does a netbook cost? Oh, yeah, about $300. I paid $340 for mine, the OP says he paid $500 for something better.
That's cool, but the Atrix can also run Citrix for a full desktop experience if that's really what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjOND67hYCE
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^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
I'm not getting tethering, I just want the media dock. I want to be able to stream high quality video to my TV/where ever.
I love that it's a powerful phone. I love that Sony has announced they'll be making games for the Android devices, and I love that the Atrix is the first one that will be able to reliably run Playstation 1 games, so I don't have to keep lugging my PSP around with a dozen memory sticks.

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HTC Pyramid.
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here, here

Milkshakes00 said:
^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
I'm not getting tethering, I just want the media dock. I want to be able to stream high quality video to my TV/where ever.
I love that it's a powerful phone. I love that Sony has announced they'll be making games for the Android devices, and I love that the Atrix is the first one that will be able to reliably run Playstation 1 games, so I don't have to keep lugging my PSP around with a dozen memory sticks.
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Funny thing, I wasn't even interested in the Atrix until I saw the linkbait title of this post in a sig. After reading it I couldn't help myself, had to post a reply. Now I'm getting one for sure! It'll make a great birthday present from my wife (she's great!).
Now I just have to decide if I should get the laptop dock or should just wifi tether to my CR-48... Decisions, decisions.... I'm leaning towards not since I found out that the dock requires the tethering plan. It does look so sexy, though (like a Macbook Air) and I like the fact that it has its own battery which can charge the phone. Of course, with a 1930mAh battery, that might not be necessary.

DarkDvr said:
Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
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Not sure how you crunched those numbers, butyou assume that people don't already have a data pro plan (which is retarded for a site like XDA)
So doing the math correctly, by taking out the data plan you already have, it's actually more like:
(699+500+(20*12))/12 = 119.9---> $120 extra a month, if you're counting your initial investment, which I think would be poor statistics.

Well, the phone its self is a standard at&t phone deal.
It is only when you include the useless dock that the math turns into a total screw job.
Everything I have read says that you must have tethering to get the dock for 200 dollar discount.
Tethering is 20 dollars amount extra, anyone who has ever heard of XDA developers knows how to get around that little bs fee.
240 dollars a year for tehtring on a 2 year contract is a rip off.
after 2 years the dock will have cost close to 800 dollars.
800 dollars for a netbook is a friggin joke.
What is going on is at&t is doing anything and everything to try and make up for losing the Iphone exclusivity contract. I would look for them to also continue to increase their data pricing fees and anything else they can charge extra to their costumers to maintain their quarterly statements.

I don't want to know what this will cost in Europe..
Too much in any case!

i currently have the nexus one and i can tether. i am also on the grandfather unlimited data plan from at&t. my question is about the tethering - will at&t lock this feature unless you pay for the tethering plan? or do i need to root this phone or something of that sort to get tethering working for free?

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Not sure how you crunched those numbers, butyou assume that people don't already have a data pro plan (which is retarded for a site like XDA)
So doing the math correctly, by taking out the data plan you already have, it's actually more like:
(699+500+(20*12))/12 = 119.9---> $120 extra a month, if you're counting your initial investment, which I think would be poor statistics.
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You assume many people here have DataPro.
I assume they don't. This is xda, most phones here are rooted and will have tethering hacks.
Either way, 153 or 120 per mo is insane. Especially considering latest Atrix reviews, which are disappointing to say the least.

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i currently have the nexus one and i can tether. i am also on the grandfather unlimited data plan from at&t. my question is about the tethering - will at&t lock this feature unless you pay for the tethering plan? or do i need to root this phone or something of that sort to get tethering working for free?
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The only way for you to be able to bypass AT&T detecting the tethering is if phone is hacked. You'll have to wait for our XDA geniuses to unlock the bootloader, root, find the detection methods and hack them.
Considering how much AT&T doesn't want you to do that + Moto's habbit of locking the hell out of bootloaders (Droid X).. I'd say you'll wait to wait a while.
Besides, sideloading is locked tight on Atrix - AT&T hates sideloading and will never allow it (from their words). So installing tethering apps is kinda out of the picture.
But that's just my guess, maybe it won't be as difficult to hack.

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The only way for you to be able to bypass AT&T detecting the tethering is if phone is hacked. You'll have to wait for our XDA geniuses to unlock the bootloader, root, find the detection methods and hack them.
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That isn't true. Enabling sideloading is trivial and doesn't require unlocking the bootloader or root. Once you sideload PDAnet, you can tether all day long. That's worst case scenario, assuming none of the devs here enable root and hack the tethering feature as has been done with all the other phones.
Also, even with the heavily-locked bootloader (at this point we don't know if the Atrix is locked or not), the Droid 2 was rooted before it was even for sale. Rooting likely won't take long, and once we have root, tethering and whatnot won't be a problem.
IMO, even if we can't get custom ROMs, it won't be that big of a loss due to Tegra 2. The reason I put a custom ROM on my Captivate is for speed. From everything I've seen so far, that won't be a problem on the Atrix.

I'm just thankful I'm still grandfathered in under the old, unlimited data plan. Hopefully AT&T doesn't take that away any time soon. And then I'll happily wait a month or two to see what happens with the Atrix.

To go against that, just for the hell of it, mine is going to cost 150, and it is going to cost 25 bucks a month for the data pro plan.
I know there are a lot of things that people would love to change, but you have tonremember that this is a first for the industry and there are going to be problems.
The phone itself is amazing technically, theres no doubt about that.

Milkshakes00 said:
^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
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WRONG! Nexus S shipped with 2.3....latest and greatest at the time.

That's your problem.
There are a lot of assumptions here but we aren't all in the same boat. I currently have an iPhone 4 with unlimited. I managed to score the Atrix for $168 no commitment($268-$100 instant rebate) in my premier count. Which I do believe was a glitch because the prices are now at 399.99 but mine has shipped nonetheless. I have screenshots to prove the pricing. I've been holding out for a good Android phone on AT&T because in my area I get great service. The Atrix fit the bill. You also don't need to unlock/decrypt the boot loader OR even root the phone to allow free tethering. There is a thread in this section and they added the how-to to the root thread that shows you how to enable it without a tethering plan. So I won't be spending anything extra a month aside from my initial $168+tax for the phone and I can tether for free to my iPad and laptop. For me, this is a great deal. I understand not everyone was able to get it for this price or have grandfathered-in unlimited data but some do. I just don't understand the motivation for the big write up really. Is there some sort of anger that this set up is out of your price-range? I felt the need to take my time to explain my situation but I can't think of a reason why you would spend your time explaining yours.

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Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
To get this into perspective, let's look at what's in the market.
For the price of the dock ($500) I got myself an Acer AS1810TZ netbook/notebook hybrid about 4 months ago. It has:
4GB RAM
320 GB HDD
1.3 Intel Pentium DualCore CPU
Easily handles 1080p video
Battery lasts for EIGHT HOURS (!!)
Full Windows 7 Ultimate OS
1366x768 screen resolution
If you don't want the laptop dock, then why even get Atrix 4G?
Think about it:
You DON'T need 1GB RAM, nothing to fill it with without the laptop.
Camera is crap - 5MP
Unable to do 1080p video. Maybe in 3 years it will, heh.
Only capable of HSPA+. No LTE, obviously.
FroYo. No word on GB update. Seiously, top of the line Android phone with 2.2 when 2.3 and 3.0 are out?
Forced MotoBlur
Probably a bootloader locked to HELL AND BACK to prevent hacking and free tethering
Let's face it - phone's ugly and looks like an old fat iphone.
I think conclusion is pretty obvious. It's quite entertaining to watch how AT&T keeps building itself a coffin, while repeatedly shooting itself in a leg, while drinking poison by the gallons.
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Or $199 on contract + $30 unlim data + 3rd party laptop dock.
Oh and I think Moto said they are going to release an update soon for 1080p capture. And 99% of all android phones have a locked bootloader. You can get launcherpro if you dont like MotoBlur. Rooting the phone will give you free tethering.

Its $499 of contract and where else can you take the guts out of your laptop put it in your pocket, make phone calls, send receive emails, web surf, etc.

Help Deciding, WiFi or 3G model...

so im in bit of dilema... I had a iPad (yay its gone) and i want to buy a Xoom. I frequently used my iPad for school but now that i dont have it im realizing how much i really needed it @[email protected]
So my problem, will stores (bestbuy in particular) have the Xoom on Sunday (3/27)? Or should i just buy the normal one tomorrow? I seriously need a tab ASAP and i dont want to wait if i dont have to.

it depends on how much you plan on using it me personally I got the 3g one since I like having internet everywhere I go without worrying about wifi

Just buy the regular one from best buy for full retail and then return it when wifi comes out. I believe you have 14 days return. Double check before you buy so you can't cuss me out ;-)
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lol i wouldnt cuss you out either way, if i buy it that my conscious choice! but back to my question, will they HAVE it sunday?

plakius said:
Just buy the regular one from best buy for full retail and then return it when wifi comes out. I believe you have 14 days return. Double check before you buy so you can't cuss me out ;-)
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yes its 14 days, but they charge a restocking fee in the neighborhood of $50-$70.
The WiFi comes out in 5 days, just wait and save yourself $200... Just call your local store and ask, they should be on sale on the 27th. If not, you can pre-order on amazon and you should have it by monday if not Saturday (they sometimes ship it 1 day early to ensure you get it in time for launch).

ill call tomorrow and ask. like i said i need it ASAP, so no later than next monday 3/28.

niiza said:
ill call tomorrow and ask. like i said i need it ASAP, so no later than next monday 3/28.
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Need is a strong word...
They are supposedly on sale on the 27th everywhere, I dont see why one of the many retailers selling it wouldn't have one available.

PaulG1488 said:
it depends on how much you plan on using it me personally I got the 3g one since I like having internet everywhere I go without worrying about wifi
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I wouldn't mind paying the monthly fee. It is the added $200 bucks premium I dont have the stomach for. If it was $599 for 3G, I'll pick one up and do month to month non-contract. Works for me.

I got mine with the 2yr contract. One thing to think about is you can get the 1gb/m plan and upgrade/downgrade at anytime. so 20bucks per month , net anywhere, 200 bucks off the $800 price tag. worth it to me. extra 10 bucks gets you the protection plan incase you break it.

i opt for 3G model.

With the iPad I can see not having the need of 3G and WIFI version is perfectly fine. But with Xoom, I am really debating. The whole benefit of Honeycomb is the widget functionality. A lot of the widget relies on having internet to update (i.e.: news, weather, etc.,). So not having 3G, that really going to hamp down the true experience of XOOM isn't it?
But then again, paying the premium of $200.00 just to have the 3G benefit sucks...*sigh*...decision decision.
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I got mine with the 2yr contract. One thing to think about is you can get the 1gb/m plan and upgrade/downgrade at anytime. so 20bucks per month , net anywhere, 200 bucks off the $800 price tag. worth it to me. extra 10 bucks gets you the protection plan incase you break it.
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I thought once you sign the 2 yrs contract, let say at $50/mo, you can't downgrade it....

smilepak said:
I thought once you sign the 2 yrs contract, let say at $50/mo, you can't downgrade it....
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I think its just like any phone contract, you can upgrade/downgrade your minutes/texts/data etc. at any time to apply to the next month.

I bought the 3G/LTE (upgradable) version, but I bought it off contract. Verizons data plans are a joke, $20 for 1 GB of data, no unlimited option? That is insulting, considering that the LTE could chew through that in a day. I hate the way the wireless ISP data plans are going. Looking a my sprint bills I use around 10 GB per month.
I just use my EVO 4g and tether it to my Xoom, my Xoom is in airplane mode all the time, which saves on the battery. Also on a side note, one overlooked feature new to honeycomb ( I think its new, my evo with can't do it) you can use bluetooth while in airplane mode without having to toggle airplane mode. Nice touch none of the reviewers mention.

boxmander said:
I bought the 3G/LTE (upgradable) version, but I bought it off contract. Verizons data plans are a joke, $20 for 1 GB of data, no unlimited option? That is insulting, considering that the LTE could chew through that in a day. I hate the way the wireless ISP data plans are going.
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1 day? you could get through 1gb on LTE in a couple hours lol.
I agree it is very insulting how much they think they can charge for data lol. its ridiculous.

sgtagem said:
I got mine with the 2yr contract. One thing to think about is you can get the 1gb/m plan and upgrade/downgrade at anytime. so 20bucks per month , net anywhere, 200 bucks off the $800 price tag. worth it to me. extra 10 bucks gets you the protection plan incase you break it.
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1 day? you could get through 1gb on LTE in a couple hours lol.
I agree it is very insulting how much they think they can charge for data lol. its ridiculous.
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Heck I blow 1GB on my FIOS in an hour...haahah

I blew mine on day 2 cuz i used wifi on day 1. Then i cancel on day 2. When the bill came home, they dont say how much i owed them. So i took it to verizon store, they said i had 3 bucks of data left Funny thing is, I was using the minimum amount compare to how much i use on my nexus.

XOOM / FLIP PHONE vs. XOOM / SMART PHONE

I have a Droid X now, along with the Xoom. I have a 3G Xoom (no 3G service right now) and I tether it to my X while on the road or use WiFi at home and where it is available on the road. I am sure I am not the only one that has this same set up.
I find myself rarely using the X any more, other than phone calls. My X contract is up soon so I thought about just going with a small flip phone and then activating the 3G service (and 4G once the xoom is upgraded and it comes to my area). No need in paying for 2 different data plans when I rarely use the X any more for data. And the Xoom will be faster on 4G rather than tethering it to 3G.
Anyone else thought of doing this? Just curious...

Guess not. lol

I'm going to go with a dumb phone soon. I already have the 3g going on the Xoom and am not getting much use out of my android phone.

The Xoom is great and yes I find myself using my Android phone a bit less now, but I'm never going to go back down to a dumbphone lol. But to each their own.
My biggest reason for this is the Verizon's data price for tablets are RETARDEDLY expensive. I get unlimited data through T-Mobile on my G2, and if I want any decent amount of data on Verizon with my Xoom, I'm gonna pay more for just data than I do for my entire bill on T-mobile. So that's my big reason why. Its drastically cheaper to tether.
Not to mention that no matter how great the Xoom is, I'm not carrying it around unless I have a bag/backpack with me. There are plenty of times I still want/need a smartphone and don't have the Xoom with me.
FWIW you should go read the other huge thread on this. There was a big discussion a few weeks back on the Tablet + Dumbphone decision.

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The Xoom is great and yes I find myself using my Android phone a bit less now, but I'm never going to go back down to a dumbphone lol. But to each their own.
My biggest reason for this is the Verizon's data price for tablets are RETARDEDLY expensive. I get unlimited data through T-Mobile on my G2, and if I want any decent amount of data on Verizon with my Xoom, I'm gonna pay more for just data than I do for my entire bill on T-mobile. So that's my big reason why. Its drastically cheaper to tether.
Not to mention that no matter how great the Xoom is, I'm not carrying it around unless I have a bag/backpack with me. There are plenty of times I still want/need a smartphone and don't have the Xoom with me.
FWIW you should go read the other huge thread on this. There was a big discussion a few weeks back on the Tablet + Dumbphone decision.
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Was the other discussion in the Xoom forum? I couldn't find it.
My reasoning is that it won't be long before Verizon and other carriers start buckling down on tethering. Whether it is right or wrong is not really the question... I do believe they will start doing it. And if they do, there is no way in hell I am going to pay for data for both my X (which I use much less now) and the Xoom.

ghoticov said:
Was the other discussion in the Xoom forum? I couldn't find it.
My reasoning is that it won't be long before Verizon and other carriers start buckling down on tethering. Whether it is right or wrong is not really the question... I do believe they will start doing it. And if they do, there is no way in hell I am going to pay for data for both my X (which I use much less now) and the Xoom.
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Even if you for some reason want to pay Verizon to tether your Droid X, its still cheaper than paying for independent data on the Xoom.
There of course is the convenience factor of having independent amounts of data on each device. But it depends on how much you wanna pay for it obviously.

martonikaj said:
Even if you for some reason want to pay Verizon to tether your Droid X, its still cheaper than paying for independent data on the Xoom.
There of course is the convenience factor of having independent amounts of data on each device. But it depends on how much you wanna pay for it obviously.
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How is it cheaper? I pay $30 a month for data on my X... it would be another $20 a month to enable tethering via Verizon.
Right no, you can get 1G for $35, right? I use about 3.5-4G a month so I could even get the 5G for $50 and still have room for data.

thought about it but use my phone as mp3 player run tracker and weight room log not to mention when I'm in the car I use it for GPS. Other than the GPS I would look foolish lugging this thing around the track. Keep the smart phone you'll miss it when its gone

Is anyone even buying the $800 3G Xoom anymore?

With all the cheaper tablets out now or in the near future, is anyone going to be "brave" (using a nice word) enough to buy the $800 3G Xoom anymore?
I am trying to sell my 3G Xoom (barely used) for $625 on Craigslist and I don't even get any real offer for about 1 week (except for people who wants to trade it for tatoos work).
That is a lot of savings for an almost 2 month old tablet when you take into account of not having to pay taxes.

Earthbrain said:
With all the cheaper tablets out now or in the near future, is anyone going to be "brave" (using a nice word) enough to buy the $800 3G Xoom anymore?
I am trying to sell my 3G Xoom (barely used) for $625 on Craigslist and I don't even get any real offer for about 1 week (except for people who wants to trade it for tatoos work).
That is a lot of savings for an almost 2 month old tablet when you take into account of not having to pay taxes.
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id return my wifi and take it from ya, but i dont want a monthly plan when i can just tether with my incredible..

Earthbrain said:
With all the cheaper tablets out now or in the near future, is anyone going to be "brave" (using a nice word) enough to buy the $800 3G Xoom anymore?
I am trying to sell my 3G Xoom (barely used) for $625 on Craigslist and I don't even get any real offer for about 1 week (except for people who wants to trade it for tatoos work).
That is a lot of savings for an almost 2 month old tablet when you take into account of not having to pay taxes.
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I sold mine and got the playbook and am very pleased.
I couldnt even sell my Xoom for 625.. Sold for 600$ . When I listed my iPad 2 only 40$- retail it sold by the next day.. Xoom for a week couldnt sell for 200$- retail without me having to deal with shipping. Basically also when you buy the Xoom current 800$ price point model the price drops 1/4 immediately.
So if you buy it at say Best Buy and have 14 days remember after this your 820$+ device is really worth 6-650$

I guess im lucky i sold mine for 650 on craigslist and same as you i bought a playbook.
The playbooks screen is just amazing!

If it were a wifi only Xoom maybe, but since it's a 3g Xoom I find it pretty stupid to purchase when you can get a wifi only one for the same price. I mean sure, you can get a plan but why get a plan for something that your smartphone could tether its current plan to?
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Why do you need a plan? The 3G that I am selling does not need any plan.
Also, I currently have the ipad, the T-mobile Galaxy Tab, the 3G Xoom, and I bought the 64 GB Playbook on opening day.
I love the Playbook so much that I have neglected to use the other 3 tablets.
I need to sell my 3G Xoom to buy the 8.9" Samsung tab in June. I have too many toys now.

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Why do you need a plan? The 3G that I am selling does not need any plan.
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But I think that is the point/problem...
If someone doesn't need/want the VZW data plan, then they don't need to spend the extra $$ on the VZW Xoom with 3G (4g upgradeable).
So if you're selling a used VZW 3G Xoom, its a tough sale when a "NEW In Box" Wifi Only Xoom can be had for $539.99 to $599.99.
Also consider the "NIB" Xoom would have a store return policy, and the warranty wouldn't have started weeks (or possibly two months per the OP) ago.

Id wait till motorola upgrades the radio so you can say its 4g capable since its free n ur waiting till june to spend the money on another tablet if it was just wifi only id sell it now but im sure some people wud like to be able to put there thunderbolt 4g unlimited data sims card in the tablet
it be a faster sell once its got its 4g radio

Lol, how many things in the world have cheaper version?
If you want a ferrari do you buy a fiat cause it still has all the wheels and an engine just lik the ferrari?
Yes, people are still buying the 3G XOOM, I paid £580GBP for mine and it was well worth it.
The Acer should be half the price, it's an entry level company.

Some people feel that using a phone as a wifi hotspot/tether just eats up the phone battery much quicker and so it's not that useful if you plan on surfing the net with the Wifi Xoom for long periods of time.

I ditched my smartphone and now pay less for the same amount of data I was using. My dumbphone is still a better phone than the smartphones I've had.
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musashiken said:
Some people feel that using a phone as a wifi hotspot/tether just eats up the phone battery much quicker and so it's not that useful if you plan on surfing the net with the Wifi Xoom for long periods of time.
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most places I goto that I would be on wifi for a long time either have wifi, or a place for me to charge my phone while tethered

DroidHam said:
most places I goto that I would be on wifi for a long time either have wifi, or a place for me to charge my phone while tethered
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Well unfortunately some countries don't have the luxury of having many public wifi hotspots.

mrmerkwa said:
Id wait till motorola upgrades the radio so you can say its 4g capable since its free n ur waiting till june to spend the money on another tablet if it was just wifi only id sell it now but im sure some people wud like to be able to put there thunderbolt 4g unlimited data sims card in the tablet
it be a faster sell once its got its 4g radio
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You made a good point. I will just hold onto the $625 price point until I fully upgrade to 4G and see if it will sell better. I will feel better if I use it more often before I sell so that I can get my money's worth.

tethering is just fine here - Nexus One + Xoom.
Heard about charging your phone via your Xoom using a micro-usb to micro-usb cable ... need to buy one and try it out myself cuz the Xoom battery is just awesome.

Went with a dumb phone and 3/4g xoom, and paying less for data too. Use wifi at home and work and 3g when I'm out and about. Luv my 3g tab
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Earthbrain said:
You made a good point. I will just hold onto the $625 price point until I fully upgrade to 4G and see if it will sell better. I will feel better if I use it more often before I sell so that I can get my money's worth.
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Moto just announced LTE late summer. You may be holding onto it a while.
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Earthbrain said:
Why do you need a plan? The 3G that I am selling does not need any plan.
Also, I currently have the ipad, the T-mobile Galaxy Tab, the 3G Xoom, and I bought the 64 GB Playbook on opening day.
I love the Playbook so much that I have neglected to use the other 3 tablets.
I need to sell my 3G Xoom to buy the 8.9" Samsung tab in June. I have too many toys now.
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Smh why downgrade to a playbook id get a crapple product before I would ever get crapberry

Earthbrain said:
Why do you need a plan? The 3G that I am selling does not need any plan.
Also, I currently have the ipad, the T-mobile Galaxy Tab, the 3G Xoom, and I bought the 64 GB Playbook on opening day.
I love the Playbook so much that I have neglected to use the other 3 tablets.
I need to sell my 3G Xoom to buy the 8.9" Samsung tab in June. I have too many toys now.
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Why is xoom chosen to be the one? why is the playbook so interesting?
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I bought 3g specifically so that I can get a plan. Hoewever, I'm personally waiting for 4g upgrade before getting a plan. And people do still buy it, the ones who travel alot.