AT&T's response to my BBB complaint... "they aren't capping upload speeds"..yea right
On March 09, 2011, the business provided the following information:
AT&T Mobility Tele: 952.703.4316
Regulatory Response Team Fax: 952.703.2307
AGENCY'S NAME:
Better Business Bureau of Metropolitan
Texas COMPANY'S NAME:
AT&T
ADDRESS:
1600 Pacific Ave Suite 2800
Dallas TX 75201 ADDRESS:
Office of the President
2325 N. University
Lubbock, TX 79415
AGENCY REP: N/A COMPLAINANT'S NAME:
Keith Geissler
AGENCY'S FILE NO.:
91172869 COMPANY'S FILE NO.:
CM20110302_18007584
AT&T Mobility (AT&T) received the above-referenced customer complaint and appreciates the opportunity to respond. Specifically, Keith Geissler complains that the recently released Motorola Atrix does not offer speeds anywhere near what advertised speeds claim. He is requesting activation of 4G services and removal of the cap on the Motorola Atrix services.
Account research regarding this complaint shows that AT&T is focused on delivering a wide choice of solutions and the best possible Smartphone experience to our customers. Be assured that AT&T has not "capped" the upload speeds on the ATRIX. The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device, and we currently are performing the testing and preparations necessary to ensure that, when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
We ask that you please keep in mind; software is only one of many factors that can affect speeds experienced. Factors such as location, time of day, network capacity and facilities, can have an impact as well. Again, in order to ensure the best possible customer experience services will become available once testing has been completed.
AT&T sincerely regrets any inconvenience this issue may have caused. Please feel free to contact me directly at 952-703-4316 if you have any additional questions or concerns in this matter.
Name: Sheila Utech, Customer Appeals Manager, Executive Response
You must not have read the letter very well, now did you?
The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device
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when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
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Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
It is not capped but we will turn it on ...SMH
I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
kgeissler said:
Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
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Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
PixoNova said:
I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
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That is likely the case. Download speeds are not capped on the phone, only limited to what the backhaul to the tower in your area can support.
That said, HSUPA is in fact disabled, so you WILL NOT see speeds above 300k/s until they enable it with a firmware upgrade (or a dev here on xda fixes it )
A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets. A better question to AT&T might be why are they limiting access to existing HSPDA+ today, that testing has already been done.
Jim_R said:
A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets.
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The truth comes out... its good to know the BBB is good for something, as they couldnt just give a BS line in that response. Now we know they did infact disable it on purpose AND it will be activated.
I am still waiting on a letter from AT&T's office of the president...
it doesn't matter if you are living in a 4g zone, the fact is that the atrix won't do hsupa until an update for the phone gets released to enable it. at least they admitted that it's turned off
Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
substance12 said:
Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
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Went here: http://www.bbb.org/
Put in my zip code, and there was a link to "file a complaint". I just put all the information in and submitted it online.
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
Everyone should go to bbb.org and file a complaint and state specifically that the iPhone 4 works as HSUPA capable, the Atrix should as well since it is advertised as such.
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I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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I find it odd that AT&T is still sucking so hard on the teets of Apple. Apple was literally waiting for the day to leave AT&T and join other carriers. And through all the years I was with AT&T they gave me crap service because I had a smartphone that didn't start with an "i".
What they NEED to be doing is focusing MORE on us Android users like Verizon did with theirs while they didn't have the iPhone. Because eventually iPhone users are going to want better service (drop calls much?) and potentially migrate to Verizon. Then all AT&T will have left is bitter Android users waiting for their contracts to expire.
Thank God I bailed on AT&T. In a strange twist for me is that my download speeds on Sprint sometimes aren't as high as my upload o_0. No matter since I still get over 1500kbps both ways.
edit: Man this thread is on every major tech blog now
leadguy68 said:
Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
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The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
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Sharkonwheels said:
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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This is great! Wish i would have had this earlier today when i filed my bbb complaint and called att to complain. Im gonna use your words next time i have this conveersation.
mburris said:
The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
notice the lack or "3G" or "H"
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Wow that is unethical! So we will never know the truth running att/moto firmware!?
Somewhat depressing since it was more of a case of..oops we got caught what can we tell them now. Now we all get to wonder how long are they going to make us wait till we can get this update that they are "testing".. I certainly hope it is soon since it is depressing that the 4g phone is slower than now 4g branded devices.
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Interesting... I was reading this article (http://androidandme.com/2010/07/car...ons-why-t-mobile-3g-is-better-than-sprint-4g/) that speculates that Sprint will have the slowest speeds by the end of 2011.
Of course, the primary purpose of the article is to pit T-Mobile's 3G against Sprint's 4G... but also goes on to talk about AT&T and Verizon. I'll summarize what I gathered in the article.
Sprint's "4G" WiMax speeds have a theoretical limit of 11 Mpbs. I've personally been able to hit 3 Mbps. Some people on T-Mobile's 3G HSPA+ can apparently hit 5 Mbps with a theoretical limit of 21 Mbps.
AT&T will also upgrade to HSPA+, but with a theoretical limit of 14.4 Mbps (still faster than Sprint). The article specualtes that Verizon will have the fastest 4G available, but not until a year from now.
Do you think Sprint will up their game? Is that even possible? Did I choose the wrong carrier when I went with the EVO?
In two years switch to the fastest network. Why worry about it now...and really are you going to have same phone in two years?
Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
Unfortunately this article falls short in a number of ways:
Sprint's current WiMax standard (802.16e) has a max theoretical downspeed of 144Mb/s. 802.16m, the future revision of WiMax has a theoretical max of 1Gb/s.
HSPA+'s current max speed is 56Mb/s, and the future revision max is 168Mb/s.
Nobody's network right now is even close to those speeds. Sprint has a head start, and the existing infrastructure to build off of in terms of subscribers and towers.
T-Mobile has Deutsch Telekom's money to build off of, but their existing 3G coverage is grossly lacking.
Granted both parties are trying to build as much as possible, but in the end I'll stick with Sprint.
Your call.
~Jasecloud4
WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Your totally right. Think about it Wireless N has a theoretical speed of 300mbps, but for the most part you'd be lucky to get a transfer speed over 180mbps (at least in my case, some might get a little higher) because this is theoretical and could someday reach that potential. The same goes for 4g. Everyone has their own speeds and systems but in the end its just a matter of who has better coverage. At&t and t-mobile might have "more bars in more spaces", but in my experience sprint and verizon have far superior data networks and I don't think thats going to end anytime soon. So for me I'll stick with Sprint.
For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
moonpie28 said:
For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
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Agreed. Besides, to me the most important thing right now is how long sprint's going to keep the unlimited data option. Who knows,in two years with everyone capping data, might as well go to the provider who's gonna fill the bucket fastest. Who exactly is going to be the fastest? That's anyones guess right now, but it doesn't really matter because alot can change in two years.
based on my experience, AT&T's 3G performance (latency aside) with an HSUPA-enabled device is excellent and trumps Sprint's 3G by far. I constantly pull 3.5 mbit/s down, 1.6mbit/s up on my phone, which is comparable or perhaps a slight tick below Sprint's WiMax performance levels.
N1 users on Tmo raped us in speed tests still.. so sprint is still slow.. I get usually 2-3mb down most of the time, N1 users are boastin 5-10mb+ down on tmo 3g.. =\
I average 3-5Mgs here in Chicago on 4G
Stupid argument since Sprint/Clearwire is switching to 802.16e Enhanced by the end of the year, with a software update and a few hardware changes. Research the stats for it, and then see if you agree with that post.
Sprint will be using LTE, one way or another. They've already contacted suppliers a few months ago.
Sent from the Samsung Fascinate with Verizon.
Heh. This is why I posted this thread. Just about everyone is more informed than I am. I love my EVO but everyone was looking at me like I was crazy when switching to Sprint.
I'm mostly concerned because I do find Sprint's current 3G-4G offerings to be pretty slow... and my reception isn't as good as my Fiance's who is on AT&T. She points that out all the time...
I'd prefer to have a balance between good reception and good internet speeds. These are phones, after all
If you stick with a smartphone long enough, you'll realize that at the beginning of the year one carrier might be dominant, but by the end of the year the title has changed.
Stick with what you've got (unless your on Cricket ), and you'll be alright.
~Jasecloud4
It also comes down to unlimited data vs limited data. The other guys are all changing their data plans (tmobile and sprint aside).
What its the point if slightly faster speed if you can only use it half the month because of data caps.
I'm happy with mine. I got this speed while using wifi tether on my laptop
Also note I used the browser to test this speed
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I was thinking about this yesterday while stuck in the car streaming Pandora. I am glad I don't have to worry about how my music I stream for fear of running out of data.
The Everything Plan is what will keep me on Sprint, even if they are a bit slower.
The compression and technologies (html5, silverlight) are going to provide better performance streaming with less throughput. So are you really ever going to need more than 3-5mb on your phone? You arn't going to hit many sources that can provide you data faster than you can download.
(I can see needing more if you are tethering multiple devices)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/sprint-clears-35mhz-of-spectrum-for-future-use-wonders-if-its/
Blackcircle said:
Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
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I just worry that their speedy push to 4g is going to leave there 3g network in the dust. Let's face it there are still plenty of places that do not have even a 3g network, at least in my state there is. If someplace doesn't even have access to 3g there is no way they are going to get 4g.
Many of us saw the abysmal wireless speeds posted in the Engadget review.
I have performed some additional research and I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone. This obviously also affect download speeds as the TCP responses are slowed down.
http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-on-its-4g-devices/
I know everyone has asked 88 Million questions about the encrypted bootloader, and we really won't have an answer until the phone is released.
However, my question is, can the HSUPA limitation be removed such as by flashing a new modem.bin? Perhaps using the modem firmware from the international version?
When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.
I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.
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Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?
Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)
Obviously something is a little off.
Cool, well I hope it isn't an issue then.
I searched for more reports and it looks like this may have been initially reported because of an error in AT&T's network?? But may have been fixed around August 2010?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745039
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572628
Plus there was this whole mess on another forum:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/137436-how-enable-hsupa-captivate.html
Based on your results it looks like this may not be an issue and I may just be creating rumors. I guess I should be patient and just wait for the release day.
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When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.
I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.
Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?
Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)
Obviously something is a little off.
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They disable hsupa on all phone except the iphone eventhe captivate, you have a non stock fw and probably a tl3 modem flased to your cappy, btw im running darky9.3
I think this is a an issue.
The speeds are nothing close to 4g, and the tests on the atrix are consistently under 2mbs.
That sucks.
i get 4 down with my capt and 2 up
busy around 2.5-3
I got to play with an Atrix at a bar a couple weeks ago (friend of mine reps for Motorola), and the download speeds were consistently under 2 megs even though the H+ symbol was active. I hope this gets sorted out on or before march 6th.
Also I do recall seeing a speed test video of the inspire 4g getting speeds over 3 meg down so it could also be an issue of where I am using the phone.
On my Aria it's not uncommon for me to hit download speeds at or above 3 Mbs, granted it's been running CyanogenMod since the first day I owned it, so idk if the custom ROM has any effect on AT&T disabling anything...
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On another note, when I was checking if my local AT&T store had demo Atricies p) today, I asked an sales rep about the speeds and all she said was that the inspire was getting much faster speeds then her iPhone 3GS. After she walked away, I proceeded to turn off wi-fi, download the speedtest.net app and run it. Sure enough it got 1.5 Mbs down though :/
I think this is a major concern.
There is no evidence what so ever that the Atrix gets anywhere near "4g" speeds.
And I think the whole "but AT$T hasn't finished the build out" is a BS excuse my captivate running a rom gets better download speeds. That is just unacceptable.
I think you can hope in one hand that AT$T will improve the speed on the ATRIX and **** in the other and see which one gets filled up first.
The only way it will get fixed is the same way the captivate is running Froyo, you will have to root it and then flash a faster modem. Hopefully flashing a modem will be possible with locked down bootloader.
Lol, I would LOVE to get 1.5 mbps down. I'm in the capital of the free world and I hardly get up to 500 kbps on my Craptivate, with a JK4 modem.
Seems difficult to imagine AT&T shooting themselves in the foot with their first "4G" branded phone by limiting the upload.
I am hoping they fix it before launch and maybe that is why there has been just a trickle of reviews on the phone so far.
AT&T are indeed disabling HSUPA on all their phones expect the iPhone for an unknown reason.
This WILL result in slower upload speeds AND slower download speeds due to how TCP works.
All the above above me saying they are getting fast upload speeds are running none stock at&t firmware with none stock modem firmware.
It was also shown that the "Inspire 4G' has been crippled with having HSUPA disabled and is having slower speeds as well.
This is a really big issue for me. I'm on an iPhone 4 and I live in chicago, I get about 5.8 Mbps down and 1.3 Mbps up. That inside my condo. My upload is always consistent around the city, the download can dip to 2 Mbps here and there. But what I'm getting at is I have really excellent speed on my iphone 4 in chicago.
I've seen reviews on the htc inspire and the atrix, and I don't know if it's the part of the country they're in or AT&T is actually limiting, but the upload speed is horrible on these "4g" phones.
I can't live with slow data speed, I just refuse. I have an unlimited plan and pay 30 a month for it. I'm tired of getting dicked around with the evil carriers. They want our money, but they don't want to give us service to match.
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You are not going to get the speed that you are getting with Iphone I agree that it really sucks.
I think the fact is that the reason the atrix does not have lte is that AT$T is behind in their lte roll out.
HSPA+ is bs as far as I'm concerned. The whole thing hinges on the fiber connecting the towers, which is the major thing holding up LTE. You aren't going to see better speeds until the fiber is laid and who knows how that will take for them to do?
I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.
Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
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I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.
Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
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Wow, thats just ridiculous.
I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.
i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.
UGH!
aphexacid said:
Wow, thats just ridiculous.
I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.
i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.
UGH!
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I was excited about the atrix too but now I'm sitting back and watching also. I'm pretty happy with my flashed captivate at the moment. ATT in my opinion is quite deceptive in their practices. They just hope people will not notice. I am now waiting to get the Galaxy S II international version which supports ATT HSPA+ so I can bypass all the ATT restrictions. I will buy it straight from samsung unlocked. Another good thing is that you most likely will not have to worry about a locked bootloader and since it's international it will have good XDA support hopefully. Just look at the i9000.
Yeah, I have been torn too about the Atrix. It is without a doubt a sweet phone.
But I find it completely unacceptable that it is slower on download speeds than the iphone 4, that is a crock of ****.
And AT$T is supposedly rolling out LTE in just a few months which is real 4g speed, not the Bs HSPA+ AT$T is selling now.
Why the hell doesn't the Atrix support Lte?
What is going to suck is buying the Atrix and then having AT$T rollout lte in your town, but being stuck on their crappy half ass HSPA+ crap for 2 years. Fact is their HSPA+ marketing is just a cheap ploy since Verizion is beating the **** out of them on LTE rollout.
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T-mobile is getting the galaxy s2 which is every bit if not a better phone that also happens to support lte.
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No, it doesn't. The first LTE phone isn't coming out until much later this year.
Every "4G" phone that's coming out untill Q3 is HSPA+ or WiMax. The ones after Q3 will have SOME LTE, but even those aren't going to be faster than the HSPA+ or WiMax phones for another 2 years or so.
For the earlier poster, the test was done in New York, which is overcrowded for frequency and carrier space. I always get like 2-3x what they give in the reviews (I live in Chicago too).
I'm sure you'll have tons of examples of the upload and download speed in a week, but I'm gonna bet it's better than iphone 4 if you aren't in New York.
I smell a lawsuit here.
You can't sell a phone as "4G" in its title, forcing people to move to "4g" data plans while not only not providing 4G but actually disabling full 3G (i.e. disabling HSUPA).
That is just fraudulent and i honestly don't see how they are going to get away with it this time.
Until now they got away with it on the Captivate and other phones because they didn't commit to anything, but with the Atrix and HTC Inspire 4G they are actually defrauding the customers by disabling HSUPA which disables HSPA+ (4G) as a result.
Read here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/15/wimax-2-standard-and-its-theoretical-1gbps-downloads-to-be-fin/
Notice the second to last line. So it seems like for those of you that are deciding to keep off the Evo 3D bandwagon for this year (and maybe wait for some quad core action next year ) and are still clinging to your Evo's next year, you might see some 100megs down, that is, if Sprint decides to show your town a little love.
Omg if this is real...i just got a boner
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If I were Sprint I would be investing in this ASAP [as long as the lower bands are allowed to be used]
Yeah that's going to be sweet. Sprint is going to have a huge head start and if they plan right and upgrade towers quickly they may be able to get alot of customers back from Verizon. Wimax 2 WILL also be compatible with the Evo 3D because it will use the exact same Wimax chip (although from the article ANY original wimax chip will work). Hopefully Sprint will jump on this and start to truly shine as a stupid-fast, reliable, UNLIMITED network.
What all of you are missing is the bandwidth isn't true and can't reach those speeds IN ANY FORM or way. The max that can goto almost any tower are 100Mb connections. You would have to have 4-7 fibers going to EACH TOWER in order to reach those speeds.
Also what you're also forgetting is that they are "leasing" the bandwidth from the cable/phone providers. Certain states like FL, texas, and others with data centers will be the only ones reaching these speeds. However, it is very sad that we can get faster speeds with our mobile than we can with our hardwire connections directly to our house. lol
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What all of you are missing is the bandwidth isn't true and can't reach those speeds IN ANY FORM or way. The max that can goto almost any tower are 100Mb connections. You would have to have 4-7 fibers going to EACH TOWER in order to reach those speeds.
Also what you're also forgetting is that they are "leasing" the bandwidth from the cable/phone providers. Certain states like FL, texas, and others with data centers will be the only ones reaching these speeds. However, it is very sad that we can get faster speeds with our mobile than we can with our hardwire connections directly to our house. lol
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Oh no, ONLY 100mbit / second?
Why would they even bother?
I wouldn't expect to see this until like 2012(late) at least.
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I know I didn't word it right. but remember. it is a shared connection. with lots of people abusing the speeds. no caps on sprints networks for at least now. lol. BUT I do predict that they will attempt to prevent us from mod'ing our phones. hahahahahaha. *rolls over laughing*
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I know I didn't word it right. but remember. it is a shared connection. with lots of people abusing the speeds. no caps on sprints networks for at least now. lol. BUT I do predict that they will attempt to prevent us from mod'ing our phones. hahahahahaha. *rolls over laughing*
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Uh, what in the fun are you talking about?
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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I read it, but I'm saying for it to become available(for most of the country) I said probably end of 2012. Sprints only going to kick this off in certain areas like with regular wimax(which still isn't available in all major cities yet).
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
They are taking forever in Jersey, killin me
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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Ya this is an older article, but I posted it because it gives facts about they new network. The technology was finally approved today. The article about it is on the main page of engadget.
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
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In sn interview Dan Hesse said a third of Sprints operating cost was going to back haul fees for using Verizon and at&ts networks. The last thing they probably want is to start roaming on versions network at 10Mbs.
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
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Yet again after all the lengthy discussion this topic has had we still get ignotant comments like the one above. Sprint simply switching to LTE will NOT solve the coverage and building pen. problems currently seen with WiMax. Again its based on the Freq band. If they put WiMax on Nextel old freq when its finally put to rest then we'd be getting the same coverage VZ's LTE network would be getting as the building pen on the lower band is much greater.
WiMax isn't going anywhere so just get used to it. I dont expect Sprints 4G to increase and get better till they have taken all the Nextel service off that Freq and can then make their use of that freq with what they want. Likely with Clearwire doing LTE on that and using WiMax and LTE both which will be easy to employ with their network upgrade they are cuttently doing.
The reason I say LTE on the old Freq is because currently WiMax isn't provisioned to work on that freq and is only provisioned for 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz currently. But I would think that once that 800MHz freq opens up with Nextel being off it, that sprint/clearwire could get it provisioned for that Freq.
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This is my final post for this section, as I'm typing the same **** over and over again, only for it to be ignored. Months passed, as it's a new thread with the same **** I've wrote months ago. Sprint's frequency is the sole reason as to why the building penetration isn't up to stuff, not the technology. LTE IS NOT THE REASON VERIZON'S 4G HAS BETTER BUILDING PENETRATION, IT'S THE FREQUENCY. Multi-mode towers will solve that problem.
Sprint's frequency is not the reason the speeds are ****. The speeds are **** because their 4G strategy is at a standstill. Not only is every current 4G tower in every city suppose to be upgraded, they were to blanket those cities with more towers. If Orlando have 13 towers spread throughout the city, Clearwire was to upgrade those towers, while increasing the total to 20. Clear didn't drop the ball, they punted it out the stadium. Best solution for both parties is for Clear to officially switch to Sprint's Network Vision, and also support Sprint's drive for LTE. Both already have LTE soft markets, but it needs to be made official for the public to know. Another solution is to switch their current WiMax solution to 802.16e Enhanced, while increasing the bandwidth to 20MHz.
Anyway, that's it from me. Go back to arguing with trolls who mentions Sprint more than Hesse himself, but obviously hate the company. It's entertaining.
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This is my final post for this section, as I'm typing the same **** over and over again, only for it to be ignored. Months passed, as it's a new thread with the same **** I've wrote months ago. Sprint's frequency is the sole reason as to why the building penetration isn't up to stuff, not the technology. LTE IS NOT THE REASON VERIZON'S 4G HAS BETTER BUILDING PENETRATION, IT'S THE FREQUENCY. Multi-mode towers will solve that problem.
Sprint's frequency is not the reason the speeds are ****. The speeds are **** because their 4G strategy is at a standstill. Not only is every current 4G tower in every city suppose to be upgraded, they were to blanket those cities with more towers. If Orlando have 13 towers spread throughout the city, Clearwire was to upgrade those towers, while increasing the total to 20. Clear didn't drop the ball, they punted it out the stadium. Best solution for both parties is for Clear to officially switch to Sprint's Network Vision, and also support Sprint's drive for LTE. Both already have LTE soft markets, but it needs to made official for the public to know. Another solution is to switch their current WiMax solution to 802.16e Enhanced, while increasing the bandwidth to 20MHz.
Anyway, that's it from me. Go back to arguing with trolls who mentions Sprint more than Hesse himself, but obviously hate the company. It's entertaining.
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God damn, I get tired of reading posts by people who obviously gained all of their knowledge by skimming articles and parroting what others have said, as opposed to doing any real research or reading.
Anyone else having random upload speed? I will consistently get 5-6mb down, and for a while was getting 1-2mb up. Now Im back to 300 up, while occasionally jumping to 800.
It does appear to be still capped, but now it is capped at 1.275mbps up. I did have some issues last night with it wanting to limit my spead, but it seems to have sorted itself out. It doesn't matter what I do now, I'm stuck at 1.275 max up.
I had this problem with the telstra radio flash and it is the reason I flashed back..wanted to wait for the official hsupa update. Doesn't sound like the problem is fixed in the official update though. My iphone 4 never had it's upload speed dip like the atrix does.
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Under Phone information what does it say for Network type?
This phone, per Motorola, supports up to 14.4 Mbps (down) under HSDPA. HSDPA is limited to ~350Kbps (up) - Most people do not get these speeds on HSDPA for the reason that your carrier does not support 14.4 Mbps HSDPA everywhere. Different locations will be able to support different categories of HSDPA.
HSUPA is the same deal. Same with HSPA+
Also your signal to the tower will have a factor in the actual speeds you are getting, as well as how congested the networks from your phone to the speed test sites are.
From what I've seen, my local provider AT&T is only allowing HSDPA category 4, whereas the phone supports up to category 10. Unsure about HSUPA as Motorola's website says nothing about HSUPA (and I have not had the update yet). However, Wikipedia shows that the Atrix should support up to Category 6 HSUPA once it is enabled through software, which is 5.76 Mbps - it sounds like your local carriers are capping you at Category 3 or less HSUPA.
If other model phones which should support Category 6 HSUPA in your area are getting consistently low speeds in your area as well, it's just your carrier not supporting higher speeds for anyone, hopefully they will upgrade their network. But if those phones are consistently getting much higher speeds (as they should) then your carrier is still discriminating against the Atrix, and capping it at lower speeds. Submit a BBB or equivalent report against the carrier, email your carrier's executive/corporate offices and complain, do not stand for this. This is unfair.
In the past we had uncapped HSDPA speeds (anything higher than HSDPA was limited - not capped, and not all carriers support the higher speed HSDPA in all areas), anyone who was using HSDPA would have gotten the same speed as us. But if we are being capped based on the model of phone using the same protocol/category network as other phones - THIS is unfair.
I'm with Telstra in Australia using an AT&T Atrix running 4.1.83. I used to get ~300Kbps up, and now get ~1.25Mbps up, which would indicate it is still capped, albeit at a higher rate.
ManoloVerg said:
I'm with Telstra in Australia using an AT&T Atrix running 4.1.83. I used to get ~300Kbps up, and now get ~1.25Mbps up, which would indicate it is still capped, albeit at a higher rate.
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I am in the same situation as above with similar results.
I think its a backed thing. I have a inspire too, and am getting pretty much the same results on both.
The upload speeds worked fine for a while. Im in detroit area and I got speedtests of 1.56 U, 5.6 D. It worked fine for a while. Now I can't get obove 0.4 u, but download still goes over 5 mbps. Why. Is it still capped?
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Ill tell you why, because both att and moto are a joke and I will be taking my business elsewere after the disaster this phone has been. God Adam I should have waited for the gsII or sensation.
And the answer to the ops question is yes. These numbers are pathetic compared to the thunderbolt getting over 10/10
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Ill tell you why, because both att and moto are a joke and I will be taking my business elsewere after the disaster this phone has been. God Adam I should have waited for the gsII or sensation.
And the answer to the ops question is yes. These numbers are pathetic compared to the thunderbolt getting over 10/10
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htc and verizon are a joke idk what you are talking about
the thunderbolt is even more of a joke than my old pos hero
I would rather have unlimited data and over 10/10 internet speeds than capped upload/slow downloads, 2 gb limits, locked bootloader, and crappy voice qaulity.
Oh well though im stuck with this thing now.
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htc and verizon are a joke idk what you are talking about
the thunderbolt is even more of a joke than my old pos hero
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I'm not sure what's not to love on Verizon's LTE?
My upload is often faster than your download on AT&T's "4G" phones.
Download often hits 50+mbps... Get real.
Mmhmm.... and how often do you really ever say to yourself "Man... i'm SO glad i'm getting 50mbps so i could download that file on my phone."? Exactly how much could you POSSIBLY download on your phone that 50mbps is that important? It seems to me more like an e-p*nis extension than a necessity. Hell, i hardly ever really find a need for a 15Mbps connection on my computer, except for the rare times i actually need to download a file that's a couple Gigabytes.
Also have to remember that AT&T doesn't even have their 4G network up yet.
And also have to remember.... if you don't have an Atrix... don't like the Atrix.... or don't even use AT&T...... why the f*ck are you even in the Atrix discussion? i smell some troll's a coming.
edit: Oh... and fsturbo.... i don't know where you get the "crappy voice quality". If that's what you're experiencing... it's more than likely your phone, as many people have discovered. The locked bootloader isn't all that bad, and will probably be cracked sometime soon-ish. And... i'm pretty sure Verizon is also ditching the unlimited data packages in exchange for a tiered platform just like AT&T did.
On another note... you MIGHT want to leave the "i'd rather have unlimited data" arguement to those who uuh... DON'T have unlimited data. I do... and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few here that do, too.
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Mmhmm.... and how often do you really ever say to yourself "Man... i'm SO glad i'm getting 50mbps so i could download that file on my phone."? Exactly how much could you POSSIBLY download on your phone that 50mbps is that important? It seems to me more like an e-p*nis extension than a necessity. Hell, i hardly ever really find a need for a 15Mbps connection on my computer, except for the rare times i actually need to download a file that's a couple Gigabytes.
Also have to remember that AT&T doesn't even have their 4G network up yet.
And also have to remember.... if you don't have an Atrix... don't like the Atrix.... or don't even use AT&T...... why the f*ck are you even in the Atrix discussion? i smell some troll's a coming.
edit: Oh... and fsturbo.... i don't know where you get the "crappy voice quality". If that's what you're experiencing... it's more than likely your phone, as many people have discovered. The locked bootloader isn't all that bad, and will probably be cracked sometime soon-ish. And... i'm pretty sure Verizon is also ditching the unlimited data packages in exchange for a tiered platform just like AT&T did.
On another note... you MIGHT want to leave the "i'd rather have unlimited data" arguement to those who uuh... DON'T have unlimited data. I do... and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few here that do, too.
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Oh well, our perception of a mobile smart phone is definitely different. I see it as a cable modem in my pocket, always ready to connect to my laptop and tether. If not, EVERYTHING on my phone is snappy, don't have to wait to buffer, or ever use WiFi. And noone is putting limits on how much data I'm gonna be using, or capping my upload speeds.
Per AT&T's PR CES announcement (January 6th 2011), they HAVE their "4G" deployed to ~100% of their footprint. Now, the fact that they call 4G deployed jsut because the software is enable is something the customers should question not me. But if you're happy, I guess it's all good.
And I don't mind Atrix. Not a bad phone. Motorola certainly ain't my favorite but there is no denying that Atrix is a powerful phone. Too bad the network is pulling the whole experience down.
Well.... "powerful phone" and "fast network" are two different sides of the table, really. And i don't recall seeing any statement about their 4G deployment other than that it's only available in a select few cities at this point in time.
And i guess our ideas of a smartphone ARE different then. I've never thought of my phone, be it my previous iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, or current Atrix, as a multimedia device. Rarely ever watch youtube video's on it. Only ever web browse on it when i'm away from my computer and just want to check something quick, or if i'm driving about and need to find a phone number or something of the sort. Don't have a laptop or much of any portable device other than an Archos 70 250GB tablet... so i don't have much of a need to tether, and as i already mentioned... 15Mbps is fast enough for me on my computer. The one convenience feature i really like with the Atrix is the HDMI output. Nice to sometimes pop a video onto my phone to play it on the TV. Then again... my Archos tablet can do the same thing... and has 250GB of storage space.... so even that's a toss up as to which i'd rather use.
So i'd say the network pulling the experience down is arguable. Just about the only thing Verizon has going for them over the Atrix is LTE. If you're not a major speed freak, which i don't imagine makes up the majority of users, then it's not really all that different between the two.
Would be good if someone running the leaked Telstra SBF on a non-AT&T network (preferably Telstra) could post their results. That would confirm that there is something in 4.1.83 that is limiting uploads to ~1.25Mbps.
As I said before, I am using 4.1.83 on an AT&T Atrix on Telstra's network. I know Telstra is capable of much more than 1.25Mbps upload speed, so something on the phone must be limiting it.
yeah, I'm not sure what is going on. Sometimes I can't get above 300kbps upload, and sometimes I get above 1.25Mbps
just before the below test, I got 2.5 Mbps down and 231 kbps up...
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Anyone else having random upload speed? I will consistently get 5-6mb down, and for a while was getting 1-2mb up. Now Im back to 300 up, while occasionally jumping to 800.
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Well.... "powerful phone" and "fast network" are two different sides of the table, really. And i don't recall seeing any statement about their 4G deployment other than that it's only available in a select few cities at this point in time.
And i guess our ideas of a smartphone ARE different then. I've never thought of my phone, be it my previous iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, or current Atrix, as a multimedia device. Rarely ever watch youtube video's on it. Only ever web browse on it when i'm away from my computer and just want to check something quick, or if i'm driving about and need to find a phone number or something of the sort. Don't have a laptop or much of any portable device other than an Archos 70 250GB tablet... so i don't have much of a need to tether, and as i already mentioned... 15Mbps is fast enough for me on my computer. The one convenience feature i really like with the Atrix is the HDMI output. Nice to sometimes pop a video onto my phone to play it on the TV. Then again... my Archos tablet can do the same thing... and has 250GB of storage space.... so even that's a toss up as to which i'd rather use.
So i'd say the network pulling the experience down is arguable. Just about the only thing Verizon has going for them over the Atrix is LTE. If you're not a major speed freak, which i don't imagine makes up the majority of users, then it's not really all that different between the two.
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To me a bigger argument is what is special about the dual core phone at this point in time? What do you plan on doing on your phone that will absolutely give you amazing experience and speed over your previous Apple products?
And why is that more important to you than AT&T's network that's clearly a bottleneck for the overall user experience in the age where everything depends on the internet latency and network QoS?
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To me a bigger argument is what is special about the dual core phone at this point in time? What do you plan on doing on your phone that will absolutely give you amazing experience and speed over your previous Apple products?
And why is that more important to you than AT&T's network that's clearly a bottleneck for the overall user experience in the age where everything depends on the internet latency and network QoS?
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I just wanted to start this thread to ask if any insiders or users such as yourselves have any new information regarding wimax expansion, LTE deployment or any other type of rumors that point to us getting better services in the future. Any timelines on deployment or hints at them are appreciated.
Update: All will be revealed October 7, God willing
Update 2: It looks like Sprint might be upgrading the existing EVDO Rev A network to Rev B. also a new video on network vision
Korey says the rev b upgrade is bs.
What I have heard:
Network Vision:
A new program to replace all existing cell sites with all new hardware which is backed by fiber optics (yes!!! no more 150k 3g) and works with all technologies on all frequencies possible (CDMA 800/1900), (Wimax 2500) and (LTE 800/1900/2500(Clear)/1600(lightsquared?))
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Light Squared LTE partnership:
Sprint is rumored to be negotiating with light squared to piggyback their network on sprint's towers further increasing the quality of sprint's lte network.
Edit: The deal is either done or close to complete. source
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Edit 2: It looks like lightsquared has vacated the spectrum which interfered with GPS in favor of some other spectrum. They claim the GPS interference is no longer an issue. If it's true we could see 1400/1600mhz lte in 2013.
LightSquared announces 'solution' for GPS issue, says LTE network will roll out on schedule
Bloomberg said:
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
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It's also worth noting that this network will operate in the 1600mhz spectrum and due to GPS providers illegal use of this spectrum, the lte network will interfere with vital high precision GPS used in agriculture.
Basically, John Deere is squatting on LightSquared's spectrum but there is nothing we can do about it because we need their products for food production.
Clear Moving to LTE:
It's a done deal the question is when. It's still using that nasty 2500mhz spectrum so I'm not all that interested.
What it all means:
The network vision upgrade should result in a dramatic increase in network speed because the back haul to the new towers is fiber optics meaning they won't be choked for bandwidth under the load of heavy smartphone use.
Vision should also lead to much better coverage in building and out because of the use of the old iDen (nextel) 800mhz frequency. 800mhz is why Verizon and US Cellular have the coverage they do. One 800mhz tower can serve the same coverage area three 1900mhz towers do. Sprint intends to switch all towers to use this frequency as well as 1900mhz when the 800mhz network is at capacity.
The light squared deal is a win-win for Sprint despite the controversy surrounding the interference Lightsquared causes with GPS. Unlike the situation they face with Clear today, Lightsqared will actually be paying Sprint to use their network. This could expedite the deployment of LTE for Sprint with the financial incentives Lightsquared will provide.
TL;DR
If the rumors are true Sprints network will be by far the best in the country. If you know something please tell us. I tire of Sprint's silence on their future plans (I want 1500kbps 3g/10mbps wimax nao!).
Even owners of Wimax devices (us) will see an improvement in overall coverage and speed as Sprint converts all towers to use Wimax and 800 mhz cdma (as well as lte).
Sweet. This would be great. My 3g is not 190k. It just says DEATH in a speed check. Lol.
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Sweet. This would be great. My 3g is not 190k. It just says DEATH in a speed check. Lol.
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lol, I guess I should be thankful.
I have not heard anything more than what you posted ... but it does sound good for us (eventually)
I hope it comes true and quickly... The market is moving really fast right now and Sprint is starting to feel like is going to fall behind again...
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I hope it comes true and quickly... The market is moving really fast right now and Sprint is starting to feel like is going to fall behind again...
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i agree. releasing 4G before anyone was a great move and increased their revenue, regardless of the loss it reported from 2010(less of a loss than 2007-2009 for sure) but now that ATT, and big red have released LTE, sprint is already behind, atleast to those who know the difference in the types of 4g anyway. this will deff be a great step in the right direction for the company. now if only they would release a SGS2 WITH a keyboard ill be set lol oh well, maybe when SGS3 comes out =P ill probably still have my epic by then anyway hahahahaha
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
TexasEpic4G said:
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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amen to that Tex. same reason i got this phone too.
Ohhhh man, this perks me up! I, too, got the epic after many months of research (and seeing every one of my friends who own Evo's replacing them every two or three months due to cracked/broken screens). I really hate the Evo for it's weight, but hate it even more because of its lack of keyboard.
Now back on topic. When I got my phone, I did the research on the networks, and was REALLY bummed that Verizon has the better speeds and coverage, whereas a few years ago, it was the opposite. *sigh*
I would really like to see this happen fast. My coverage where I live is bad, and we only have 3G right now (which I cannot complain about, but do when it does not work... which means A LOT of complaining).
Everything else about this awesome phone? AMAZING. Glad I chose it instead of the others. Just sayin.
I would like the technical controversy of whether WiMax handsets could ever be easily upgraded to support LTE laid to rest, yea or nay. I suspect nay, and since they expect 2 year or less upgrades for users, maybe it's a non-issue.
DroidApprentice said:
I would like the technical controversy of whether WiMax handsets could ever be easily upgraded to support LTE laid to rest, yea or nay. I suspect nay, and since they expect 2 year or less upgrades for users, maybe it's a non-issue.
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There is a chance they could be but, it is slim because the only lte band our phones could support is 2500mhz from Clear so it wouldn't improve coverage much (Vison will because of more towers but it will still be spotty) but speed could go up a bit.
I think it would be pointless though. They would be better off uncapping the Wimax speeds (which would make them more or less the same speeds as LTE ~ up to 40mbps). I would say most likely they keep the wimax caps (maybe ease up a little on the upload cap) and leave the phones with Wimax.
I was happy that Sprint made the first move with 4G. WiMax was already established in many markets, so it made sense for them to use that to be the first ones to market with 4G. And to be honest WiMax gets good and consistant speeds with relatively low latency (average 5-7 down and 1-1.5 up with around 70-80 ms latency), its just that once you enter a building or even a car for that matter the signal penetration drops off sharply. Thats that 2500 Mhz spectrum for ya. BUt hopefully this deal with light squared will accelerate thier LTE deployment. It would be nice to have all the major carriers on one universal 4G standard that way you could roam anywhere you go. I just hope sprint can stay in the game. This AT&T/T-mobile merger is going to put the hurt on the ol now network.
maybe......someday
expect the worst hope for the best that way you dont get your feels hurt lol
iam happy now lol
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hoping for a response from whosdaman or someone else who works for sprint
My bro works at Sams club in the phone department, and the Sprint Rep that handles distributing phones to all stores in the valley told him that they are not deploying out any more 4G as they are in talks to use LTE like verizon on their network.
WIMAX phones CAN convert to LTE....as can the currently deployed WIMAX equipment with no additional hardware...it's basically a software update. Sprint will be converting their 800MHz frequencies from IDEN to CDMA and will use LTE across all frequencies and incorporate aggregation which is where multiple frequencies are used simultaneously thereby increasing total frequency width and speed.
This thread should be deleted, while continuing on with this one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1015442
TexasEpic4G said:
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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That is the same reason I got the Epic as well, but I now very rarely use the hardware keyboard. I'm excited for the new SGSII, but to each his own I guess
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lynyrd65 said:
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hoping for a response from whosdaman or someone else who works for sprint
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Lol, well what do you want me to say? haha...I've already talked about this previously.
"Cellular Frequency Aggregation: Using multiple Cellular Radio Frequencies in parallel to increase link speed" Think of it like Link aggregation whereas using multiple Ethernet network cables/ports in parallel to increase overall link speed......Using 3 100Mb ethernet ports at the same time to have an effective 300Mb total connection. This is only possible if both the sending computer AND receiving computer support the capability. NVIDIA motherboards with dual 1GB ethernet ports can perform this using their driver.
REPOST......
From sprint website
Current vs. New cell site
Today, Sprint uses separate equipment to deploy services on 800 MHz spectrum, 1.9 GHz spectrum and, through its relationship with Clearwire, 2.5 GHz spectrum. Under the terms of the new contracts, Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung will install new network equipment and software that brings together multiple spectrum bands, or airwaves, on a single, multi-mode base station.
Comparison between today's base stations and Network Vision base stations
With Network Vision, Sprint will make substantial changes to the cell sites that power its wireless network. The top image shows Sprint’s existing base stations, which require single, refrigerator-sized cabinets for each technology. Large black coaxial cables must run from each cabinet to the top of the cell tower, which has an inherent loss of signal. The Network Vision multi-mode base station will require less space. Other advantages will include the ability for Sprint to use spectrum bands on multiple technologies, replacing coaxial cables with fiber that is not affected by signal loss and improved remote radio heads that replace existing less efficient radios.
Multi-mode technology
The implementation of multi-mode technology throughout the Sprint network will:
• Enhance service
• Create network flexibility
• Reduce operating costs
• Improve environmental sustainability
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Other Rumors alluded to by sprint
Berge Ayvazian, Senior Consultant, Heavy Reading
“This is a very bold move. Sprint was first with an all-digital wireless network; the first to upgrade to EVDO; and more recently, the first to broadly offer 4G services. Sprint is once again first to deploy a common converged mobile network that will strengthen its 3G services; enhance its 4G technology options; and continue delivering the industry’s leading push-to-talk offering.”
Steve Elfman, Sprint president of Network Operations and Wholesale
“We’re seeing an increasing need from our push-to-talk customers for high-speed data capabilities. Marrying the industry’s only sub-second PTT call set-up with broadband data directly supports our customers’ needs and creates an unmatched offering in the market. Additionally, we fully expect a competitively priced lineup of rugged handsets and smartphones on the CDMA network.”
lynyrd65 said:
There is a chance they could be but, it is slim because the only lte band our phones could support is 2500mhz from Clear so it wouldn't improve coverage much (Vison will because of more towers but it will still be spotty) but speed could go up a bit.
I think it would be pointless though. They would be better off uncapping the Wimax speeds (which would make them more or less the same speeds as LTE ~ up to 40mbps). I would say most likely they keep the wimax caps (maybe ease up a little on the upload cap) and leave the phones with Wimax.
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Looks like sprint will be raising the cap on the upload tommorow. I guess they read my post.
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/09/sprint-said-to-raise-4g-upload-cap-to-1-5-mbps-june-10th/
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