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GS2 4.3 spec is great but 4.3 is off putting

Hey guys been checking out the specs of GS2 and I like it..they have not confirmed which CPU its using and it maybe Samsungs or tegra.
anyways I would actually get this since atrix will take ages before hits UK BUT and i mean BUT 4.3 inc screen is putting me off. 4" is just about acceptable for me. Also that size of a phone is going to reduce the total sale of the handset, Even my friends who work in phone stores say they find it hard to sell bigger screen phone's. SGS was ok to sell because it was light and not that much bigger in total size then an iphone but they found it hard to sell phone's like Desire HD especially to female customers. I have GS1 currently.
Any one else being put off by larger phone?

It has been comfirmed that its gonna be using Exynos in some regions and Tegra2 in other regions... same for the Super Amoled Plus screen. Some regoins will not get that.
As for the size my hands are big enough.
I would say if your hands arnt that big i wouldnt buy it. Its like someone with massive hands using the Galaxy Tab for a phone.. it just wont work.

no..............

Ronaldo_9 said:
Hey guys been checking out the specs of GS2 and I like it..they have not confirmed which CPU its using and it maybe Samsungs or tegra.
anyways I would actually get this since atrix will take ages before hits UK BUT and i mean BUT 4.3 inc screen is putting me off. 4" is just about acceptable for me. Also that size of a phone is going to reduce the total sale of the handset, Even my friends who work in phone stores say they find it hard to sell bigger screen phone's. SGS was ok to sell because it was light and not that much bigger in total size then an iphone but they found it hard to sell phone's like Desire HD especially to female customers. I have GS1 currently.
Any one else being put off by larger phone?
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The difference in size between SGS1 and SGS2 is very small.
SGS2 is 2 mm wider, 3 mm longer but also thinner and lighter.

if only they release a 4.3 Exynos version and 4" tegra that would be sweet.. oh well gonna have to wait to see what else comes out soon.

I love big screen phones, using a desire hd and galaxy tab and tried once going back from 4.3 " to 4" and found that I very much prefer the bigger screen. Even though the battery on my dhd sucks the only reason I haven't switched phones yet is because I can't find any with the same screen size, but now that the galaxy 2 is coming I will get one to replace my dhd.
I'm actually eyeing the samsung infuse with the 4.5" screen but I don't think it will be released in europe :-(
Swyped from my sexy galaxy tab

I have a feeling this phone isn't gonna feel like a big screen phone, due to how thin and light it is. If your really worried just wait until you can paw one in the shops.

I hope atrix hits UK soon along with GS2 but in carphone warehouse, i have friends who can get 30% off

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Well I own an hd2, which has a 4.3" screen. It isn't big, and I have the hands of a teenage girl. It fits nicely, and isn't much of a nuisance in my pocket either. So I dun think you should really worry about the 4.3" screen.

Also, according to the Engadget article, the bezel is very small, so you get a lot of screen without carrying a cinder block around.
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Certainly the size will be offputting to some, not me though.
Interesting that the increased screen size seems to be because of the real stripe matrix in use here, doesn't bode well for Samsung adopting qHD anytime soon does it?

NZtechfreak said:
Certainly the size will be offputting to some, not me though.
Interesting that the increased screen size seems to be because of the real stripe matrix in use here, doesn't bode well for Samsung adopting qHD anytime soon does it?
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I personally find the retina display and qHD nothing more than just a marketing gimmick.
When I had my 800x480 Desire next to my girlfriend's iPhone 4 I couldn't see the benefit of it. Websites often fit on the screen when in desktop mode, but most things were too small to read and I had to zoom in anyway just like I would have had to do on my Desire. The rest looked pretty much the same. But who knows, maybe it's just that my eyes suck.
In the end, I'd rather have a display that is better at saving battery rather than showing me detail which my eyes can't see.

I like higher resolutions for browsing/document display, more important with a view to HDMI mirroring, qHD on a screen this size should be able to display text that is readable fully zoomed out, so I don't buy it as just a marketing gimmick. Its not a biggy in terms of this phone, but when qHD becomes more standard and more apps are customised for it then it may become an issue, but thats really a worry for future handsets.

martino2k6 said:
I personally find the retina display and qHD nothing more than just a marketing gimmick.
When I had my 800x480 Desire next to my girlfriend's iPhone 4 I couldn't see the benefit of it. Websites often fit on the screen when in desktop mode, but most things were too small to read and I had to zoom in anyway just like I would have had to do on my Desire. The rest looked pretty much the same. But who knows, maybe it's just that my eyes suck.
In the end, I'd rather have a display that is better at saving battery rather than showing me detail which my eyes can't see.
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Iphone4 has much better battery life the desire, i had one for 5 months. retina display is the best overall quality display in terms of image and text quality. I'm an Android person and since i buy my handsets off line, i pay the higher prices for phones but any one says that there is a better display then iphone4's is talking crap because they just hate apple or they cant tell difference due to their eye sight.
Any screen that uses Pentile Matrix to me sucks, I love how amoled works but pentile sucks.
With qHD using pentile well i'd rather use super amoled plus but would need to see it inhand. Pentile is what is found on amoled and super amoled like desire/SGS, the text look poor when zoomed out and fuzzy with 800x480 resolution you normally shouldnt have to zoom in to see text on a 4" but you do. For me text looked better on desire then SGS because it was 3.7" at same resolution so the pentile was squeezed together in 3.7” .
I’v had iphone 4, desire, SGS and nokia n900 in front of me at once and I would honestly say websites and text looked great on n900 and you can read without zooming (landscape mode on all). Iphone4 image quality and text is fantastic you don’t even see a pixel due to the density. On desire and SGS you can see each dot that makes up a text or icon on desktop. But videos look great on super amoled and blacks well they look great as the led are turned off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family

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I like higher resolutions for browsing/document display, more important with a view to HDMI mirroring, qHD on a screen this size should be able to display text that is readable fully zoomed out, so I don't buy it as just a marketing gimmick. Its not a biggy in terms of this phone, but when qHD becomes more standard and more apps are customised for it then it may become an issue, but thats really a worry for future handsets.
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The HDMI mirroring and a higher resolution screen is a fair point. I know that when playing video it should output it in the video's resolution (so no mirroring), but I wonder how it deals with pictures.
Ronaldo_9 said:
Iphone4 has much better battery life the desire, i had one for 5 months. retina display is the best overall quality display in terms of image and text quality. I'm an Android person and since i buy my handsets off line, i pay the higher prices for phones but any one says that there is a better display then iphone4's is talking crap because they just hate apple or they cant tell difference due to their eye sight.
Any screen that uses Pentile Matrix to me sucks, I love how amoled works but pentile sucks.
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Yeah, it does have a better battery life. The multitasking on iOS is more limited than on Android, so there's a better guarantee that there won't be things running in the background that are eating the battery away, and the CPU is down-clocked too. Furthermore they use Li-Pol batteries, which is something that I'd like to see on other devices too. However it is well known that AMOLED screens consume significantly less energy than any other screen technology available at the moment, so if you stuck one into an iPhone the battery would be even better.
But seriously, aren't you taking all this a bit too personally? I'm no Apple hater, not sure why you made me one. Just because I had an opinion that differs from yours? Well, how mature. I was merely stating what I found out when I was playing with the two devices, didn't imply that what I said was the holy grail and the only truth.

Not taking it personally but i just adding some information and my views

I was right, you are Steve Jobs.
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I was right, you are Steve Jobs.
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You think you're a funny guy? Go be funny somewhere else, useless post to increase post count...

tegra 2 equipped will come to US .
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Traded in my TF for a....

Hey Folks,
First and foremost, I'm not hear to start bickering with anybody...just here to share. Yesterday, I received my TF from BB via UPS. I was anxious to get it but at the same time had fingers crossed being that there's been quite a few documented issues both hardware and software related. As I turned on the device, the first thing that was blaring at me was there was screen separation. This was under the bezel where I could see the white of the black light clearly. Not the same as light bleed (there was some of that also). I went ahead and setup my account but had already known at that point that I was going to at least replace the unit. Initially, the unit was on 3.0.1, but after the battery had charged to about 70%, I got the notification that the 3.1 update was available. Now prior to me updating, which in all honesty wasn't a ton of time, I was experiencing FC's left and right. Believe me, I'm not the drama queen type, BUT IT WAS FREQUENT. Next thing I noticed was that, albiet not to thick, the tablet was quite heavy..a fair share of fatigue after holding for a short spell. In the TF's defense, I know a Xoom would have been equally taxing, as would an Iconia, etc.
Now I had been in Best Buy the same day that my TF came in the mail and saw that the Tab 10.1 was being released the next day (today). BTW...I live in NYC and was at the Union Square location. Fast forward to today; I was contemplating what I was going to do. Should I replace the unit with another and take the chance that everything is okay or do I choose something else. Low and behold, greatly due to the fact that there have been so many reports over various forums, I chose the Tab 10.1.
I've just had it a couple hours now, but so far here's what's evident. It is quite a bit lighter and more comfortable in hand.There's just about 0 light bleed. The colors are brighter on the Tab (take that as a pro or con....the colors are 'Galaxy S' oversaturated). There have been 0 FC's and the Tab is noticeably more responsive even when compared to the TF after it updated to 3.1. I'll miss the TF's widgets and extra cloud/DNLA services even though I never got a chance to hook it up. It's good to know that there are already accessories available that are made just for the tab. I bought a book style case for it from Belkin. '
All-in-all, I felt a bit let down enough by the TF to quickly decide that it wasn't the right choice for me. If any of you are feeling the same, I pray that provided you don't have any major hardware issues that Asus and Google can straighten them out with future updates. As for me, I prefer to take a less tentative unsure route.

Interesting. Thanks for the input.
Is there a keyboard case for the tab?

no microsd? dealbreaker.
samsung qual control? dealbreaker.
active # of developers for tab? semi dealbreaker.
love the TF. love the dev community. love the dock. good luck with the tab.

Keyboard Case? Not sure. I saw the Keyboard today, but don't know about the case to be honest.

chotabk said:
no microsd? dealbreaker.
samsung qual control? dealbreaker.
active # of developers for tab? semi dealbreaker.
love the TF. love the dev community. love the dock. good luck with the tab.
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Call it the luck of the draw and I hope I continue to be lucky, but as I'm using I haven't encountered anything as yet. But again, this is just after a couple hours of use. I will tell you this much though, there are certain options that I can't seem to find on the Tab...such as the option to have the Tab be seen as a desktop device so less mobile pages load. As far as the microsd, it's not that big of dealbreaker for me as I don't necessarily need to have a ton of movies or music on the device. I'll be able to hold a decent share, but it was never one of my major objectives to load the baby up like I would an ipod or my mac. I may change my tune. I guess time will tell.

chotabk said:
no microsd? dealbreaker.
samsung qual control? dealbreaker.
active # of developers for tab? semi dealbreaker.
love the TF. love the dev community. love the dock. good luck with the tab.
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+ $100 more than TF. Dealbreaker

Fyahstarter said:
Call it the luck of the draw and I hope I continue to be lucky, but as I'm using I haven't encountered anything as yet. But again, this is just after a couple hours of use. I will tell you this much though, there are certain options that I can't seem to find on the Tab...such as the option to have the Tab be seen as a desktop device so less mobile pages load. As far as the microsd, it's not that big of dealbreaker for me as I don't necessarily need to have a ton of movies or music on the device. I'll be able to hold a decent share, but it was never one of my major objectives to load the baby up like I would an ipod or my mac. I may change my tune. I guess time will tell.
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Could you do more test for us if possible? What is the load time for the browser? Is there lag when typing on forums like xda? How is the battery life? Thanks

Fyahstarter said:
The colors are brighter on the Tab (take that as a pro or con....the colors are 'Galaxy S' oversaturated).
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This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.

Shawn_230 said:
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a PLS panel which is suppose to be an incremental improvement over IPS with even better viewing angles and brightness.

Shawn_230 said:
This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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What are you talking about??? The 10.1 US verison runs on a PLS screen which is a IPS panel....Maybe you're thinking about the 10.1V which was release eariler this yr.

I dunno, just looked on Samsung's website and it said 10.1 WXGA TFT panel.
I guess it may have been the non-US version.

Shawn_230 said:
This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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The tab has a pls display (better than ips) not tft. And the saturation has nothing to do with being an amoled or not. Samsung just likes to increase the saturation on its displays so they look more appealing
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Shawn_230 said:
I dunno, just looked on Samsung's website and it said 10.1 WXGA TFT panel.
I guess it may have been the non-US version.
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That is just a very generic description for 1280x800 LCD. Even IPS panels are WXGA TFT. That isn't suppose to tell you what kind of panel it is, be it TN, VA, IPS, or PLS.
So the description is correct, it's just vague in not including the panel type.

aim1126 said:
The tab has a pls display (better than ips) not tft. And the saturation has nothing to do with being an amoled or not. Samsung just likes to increase the saturation on its displays so they look more appealing
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Learn to read, this fact was already pointed out by at least two other people. Jesus, do people just enjoy kicking someone while they are down?
Also, I'm still not entirely sure. I'm looking at some sites and I see a lot of them listing a WXGA TFT display.
Edit: Okay, I guess this link confirms it. I still don't care though, I just went through two months of Transformer back-order bullcrap and I'm guessing it will be the same story with the Galaxy Tab for a while.
Ravynmagi said:
That is just a very generic description for 1280x800 LCD. Even IPS panels are WXGA TFT. That isn't suppose to tell you what kind of panel it is, be it TN, VA, IPS, or PLS.
So the description is correct, it's just vague in not including the panel type.
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Yeah, but when they just say TFT it usually means the crappiest kind. If they had something to advertise they would (well looks like they do, not sure why they don't advertise the SuperPLS panel more).

I'm still undecided what to do with my Transformer. This is the second one I've had. Sounds like my first had the same issue the OP has with his and my second has a light colored blotch in the middle of the screen.
Both tablets have some very positive qualities. So hard to weight what is going to be more important to me.
Transformer
+ $100 cheaper
+ micro SD
+ mini HDMI
+ netbook style keydock
Galaxy Tab 10.1
+ lighter and rounded edges (more comfortable)
+ better speakers
+ PLS display
+ LED flash
+ just better looking
Almost afraid to say it, because I detest custom UI, but I almost want to give the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a + for TouchWiz UX. The demo of it actually has some very nice looking features.
Because of the lack of micro SD I almost certainly will need to spend $200 more for a 32GB Galaxy Tab 10.1, versus the 16GB Transformer I'm using now with my 16GB micro SD card. So the price difference is greater (I am sure I need more than 16GB for a tablet).

Shawn_230 said:
Learn to read, this fact was already pointed out by at least two other people. Jesus, do people just enjoy kicking someone while they are down?
Also, I'm still not entirely sure. I'm looking at some sites and I see a lot of them listing a WXGA TFT display.
Edit: Okay, I guess this link confirms it. I still don't care though, I just went through two months of Transformer back-order bullcrap and I'm guessing it will be the same story with the Galaxy Tab for a while.
Yeah, but when they just say TFT it usually means the crappiest kind. If they had something to advertise they would (well looks like they do, not sure why they don't advertise the SuperPLS panel more).
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Relax dude. Those people answered while I was typing my message. I'm not a very fast aat typing I guess lol
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aim1126 said:
Relax dude. Those people answered while I was typing my message. I'm not a very fast aat typing I guess lol
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Sorry, my experience has been that people like to gang up. Someone makes a clerical error and makes a misinformed statement, one person points out this error and it should end there. But usually you get a dozen other people join in and say the same thing just to feel good.
So yeah, sorry that I misunderstood your intent.

Ravynmagi said:
I'm still undecided what to do with my Transformer. This is the second one I've had. Sounds like my first had the same issue the OP has with his and my second has a light colored blotch in the middle of the screen.
Both tablets have some very positive qualities. So hard to weight what is going to be more important to me.
Transformer
+ $100 cheaper
+ micro SD
+ mini HDMI
+ netbook style keydock
Galaxy Tab 10.1
+ lighter and rounded edges (more comfortable)
+ better speakers
+ PLS display
+ LED flash
+ just better looking
Almost afraid to say it, because I detest custom UI, but I almost want to give the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a + for TouchWiz UX. The demo of it actually has some very nice looking features.
Because of the lack of micro SD I almost certainly will need to spend $200 more for a 32GB Galaxy Tab 10.1, versus the 16GB Transformer I'm using now with my 16GB micro SD card. So the price difference is greater (I am sure I need more than 16GB for a tablet).
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Same here. My TF is on its way to Asus for Repair. My display went dead after 1 months.... Before, having an sd slot was very important to me, but now its not cause I pretty much stream all my videos from my server at home with plex. What I like about the 10.1 is the battery life (engadget review) got 10 hrs, and better speakers. I am going to purchase 10.1 next week from Bestbuy and test it out. IF its good, then my TF will go straight to Ebay.
Here is an mini comparison of both Tablet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV8GggJuKe8

dazz87 said:
Could you do more test for us if possible? What is the load time for the browser? Is there lag when typing on forums like xda? How is the battery life? Thanks
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Im typing in the browser now and there is a bit of lag, but one thing that makes it a bit easier is that the Tab has haptic feedback. The TF didnt or by default it was turned off. The lag is definitely there though.

Shawn_230 said:
This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Again, I'm not here to bicker or say mine is bettrr than yours, I'm just sharing. However, at the same time I'm not imagining things. The colors are very bright. Similar to what i have seen on Galaxy S phones. Moreover, that's not necessarily a pro. I am more partial to colors being closer to neutral.

question about the screen quality

how does the galaxy tab's screen compare to the xoom's? or even the ipads ips screen

I am hearing it is the best screen on any tab available today, though the colors are oversaturated in Samsung fashion, but there is virtually no light bleed that is present on IPS screens, and viewing angles are exceptional.
XOOM does not hold a stick against it - I have a Transformer with an IPS screen, and it leaves XOOM screen in dust.

oh wow i didnt know the transformer had a ips screen... i wonder if im ever going to see that one at bestbuy

I tested out the Tab yesterday, the screen quality was bloody brilliant, clearly the BEST screen I've ever seen on a tablet, I'd choose the Super PLS over IPS anyday - loved the colors and viewing angles on it !!

any one has side by side comparison of the ipad2 ips screen and galaxy tab 10.1 pls screen?

Check out Anandtech's review of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 from today:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4445/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-review/6
There's details on the screen vs the Eee Pad Transformer vs the iPad 2 vs the Xoom vs the BlackBerry PlayBook.

Anyone have comments on the quality of the LE versus retail?

Supercurio got his 10.1 today and he's been developing for the Transformer the last couple weeks. He says the 10.1's screen is art while the IPS is on the Transformer is just a screen. A lot of tweets basically suggesting that he likes the 10.1 better, period.
https://twitter.com/#!/supercurio

how does the 10.1 retail compare to the 10.1v
and 10.1 i/o edition?
also how does it compare to the ipad2 ips screen. any user experiences

songmeesay said:
Supercurio got his 10.1 today and he's been developing for the Transformer the last couple weeks. He says the 10.1's screen is art while the IPS is on the Transformer is just a screen. A lot of tweets basically suggesting that he likes the 10.1 better, period.
https://twitter.com/#!/supercurio
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Appears he's very happy with the audio too. Nice.

@ OP: I currently have xoom & 10.1 and its not even close screen wise!

songmeesay said:
Supercurio got his 10.1 today and he's been developing for the Transformer the last couple weeks. He says the 10.1's screen is art while the IPS is on the Transformer is just a screen. A lot of tweets basically suggesting that he likes the 10.1 better, period.
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Thats awesome. I'd still like to hear LE vs Retail comparisons

Coming from Nook Color and Blackberry Playbook I was quite underwhelmed by the screen. Perhaps my expectations were unrealistic but it didn't blow me away or anything and I'm missing the "sharpness" and text rendering quality from the above devices. I guess the size of the screen is here to blame and it might look better on the 8.9 version but 10.1 is not "amazing".

The screen on the PlayBook is better than the Galaxy Tab 10.1 on paper at least (my earlier post in this thread had specs for both), so perhaps not "amazing" when speaking relatively but for most people it should be.

The Galaxy Tab 10.1 display model at Best Buy looked great... Until I turned off auto-brightness and turned it up a bit: then it looked awesome!
After that I went to look at the Xooms on display and was vastly underwhelmed. It's a night and day difference. The Galaxy Tab's screen is much brighter and has more vivid colors and better contrast. It's like comparing the screen of a Nexus One to that of an HTC Magic (except for the resolution, which is the same on both tablets).

it's definately the best btw the transformer and xoom. it's gets brighter than my ipad and the dimmest setting is the lowest of them all - great for night time reading!
it is quite saturated, but it makes comics pop. the oversaturated colors are a help when watching movies in indirect or bright lights since the lights kill viewability and alter color perception.

I agree; it's definitely the best screen to date on a tablet this size. When it comes to movies, the details are incredible (specifically 720p mp4 rips. Haven't tried any other formats). I'm a video enthusiasts and am very picky about the screens, too. Supercurio says he'll be able to implement an app for the screen to take the color down a bit for those that prefer a more natural color reproduction. I actually like the colors.
Can't wait to see the PenTile screens.

Screen Comparisons: Contrast Ratio

I've been trying to understand the relative differences between the IPS displays used in the IPAD 2 and the Transformer, the Super PLS display of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the TFT used in the XOOM. I settled on contrast ratio as an objective means of comparison.
Article 1 XOOM: 750
Article 2 XOOM: 597!
iPad 2: 775
Galaxy Tab 10.1: 830
Transformer: 763
Article Quote: "Contrast ratio is also better on the Galaxy Tab 10.1: 830:1 vs 763:1 on the Eee Pad Transformer."
What surprises me the most out of all this, besides the XOOM discrepancies , is that the contrast of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 display is not as incredible as we were lead to believe. It compares favorably with IPS, but isn't really leaps and bounds better. In fact, it might have equivalent or slightly lower contrast than an IPS display, or conventional display but better viewing angles.
Interesting quote: "On the other hand IPS (and PLS) has significantly lower contrast ratios compared to the best VA based panels that Samsung and other manufacturers have used in high-end phones for years."
Side note is that the multiple contrast ratios for the XOOM screen might reflect the multiple screen sources/manufacturers that were used in different XOOMs.
Sources:
http://galaxytablife.com/2011/06/eee-pad-transformer-vs-galaxy-tab-10-1-comparison/
http://www.tabletreaderinfo.com/content/Motorola-Xoom-Tablet-Review/Screen.htm
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4191/motorola-xoom-review-first-honeycomb-tablet-arrives/2
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1291980086

The most important things to me on a tablet screen:
1. Color reproduction. Is it uniform and even? This leads me to
2. Viewing angles, top, bottom, left and right. Does the screen stay relatively sharp or does the image dissolve/wash out?
3. No back-light bleed. This is inexcusable regardless of the lectures people spout out about it being inherent to the technology. It's not when the product is designed correctly.
The panel in the GTab 10.1 is beautiful. It meets my criteria where the xoom failed on all of them and the iPad failed miserably on back-light bleed.
Contrast ratio to me is just a number. I have tolerances for all my electronics devices and to me, the panel on the Samsung is the clear winner in the tablet race. Let's hope the build quality follows suit. I'm already starting to get annoyed at how long a full charge takes.

The screen looks amazing! The only thing I noticed is that the screen calibration is a
little bit oversaturated. I'm planning on using mine as a photography/design portfolio and have noticed color shift when compared to my calibrated monitor.
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I had Xooms (with both screen versions Auo and Sharp), an I pad and now a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the screen on my tab is far and awy better than all of them.
The Xoom has 2 screen fkavors, Sharp and Auo optronics. the screen mfg by Sharp had much better color saturation and better contrast, but unfortunately for me, a ton of light bleed due to a defect in the panel.
Specs only tell part of the story.
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lordwinkevin said:
The screen looks amazing! The only thing I noticed is that the screen calibration is a
little bit oversaturated. I'm planning on using mine as a photography/design portfolio and have noticed color shift when compared to my calibrated monitor.
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When Samsung releases the kernel source, supercurio can start developing his Voodoo Sound and Screen tweaks for the SGT 10.1, which will make color reproduction much more realistic.

I'm new with android and this is awesome to hear. I also own the iPad 2 and Datacolor made an in app color calibrated picture viewer called SpyderGallery but an overall screen color calibration would be awesome!
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matt310 said:
The most important things to me on a tablet screen:
1. Color reproduction. Is it uniform and even? This leads me to
2. Viewing angles, top, bottom, left and right. Does the screen stay relatively sharp or does the image dissolve/wash out?
3. No back-light bleed. This is inexcusable regardless of the lectures people spout out about it being inherent to the technology. It's not when the product is designed correctly.
The panel in the GTab 10.1 is beautiful. It meets my criteria where the xoom failed on all of them and the iPad failed miserably on back-light bleed.
Contrast ratio to me is just a number. I have tolerances for all my electronics devices and to me, the panel on the Samsung is the clear winner in the tablet race. Let's hope the build quality follows suit. I'm already starting to get annoyed at how long a full charge takes.
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I threw these numbers out there because, so far, almost all the info on PLS panels used in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been primarily subjective. Its totally new technology.
However, recently, Samsung has started to develop the PLS Panels for use in stand-alone computer monitors, and some reviewers are beginning to analyze and reveiw the technology. This is a really interesting article, and "sheds some light" (to make a bad pun) on the PLS panel technology used in the Galaxy Tab 10.1, how it works and some of its pros and cons:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sa850.html
Remember this is a stand alone PLS monitor, so one would expect its performance would exceed that of an integrated tablet screen, but they found a contrast ration of only 545:1. Thats pretty bad in my opinion. They try to theorize why this occurs:
"The low contrast ratio may be due to the poor uniformity of the backlight. The picture based on the results of my measurements shows a bright spot in the center of the screen, just where I measured the contrast ratio. That spot is not as bright as the bottom left corner, though.
Although the extent of the variation in brightness is exaggerated in the picture for illustrative purposes, the monitor is obviously far from ideal, especially with black. Talking about the exact numbers, the average nonuniformity of brightness for black is 8% whereas the maximum deflection from the base level is as high as 45%! For white, the average and maximum are 3.6% and 8.3%, respectively. It’s hard to say why the monitor is so good with white and so poor with black....."
So, disturbingly, they found the first dedicated PLS prototype monitor to have POOR contrast ratio!! Not what you would expect. They theorize that it might be due to poor backlighting, but it is worrisome.
To summarize what the reviewers found after examining this prototype PLS monitor:
Highs:
•Low response time, good color rendering, excellent viewing angles
•Full coverage of the sRGB color space
Lows
•Low contrast ratio
•Poor uniformity of backlight for black
If this review is accurate, these first panels seem to show that the PLS technology is good, but not great. Its an OK alternative to IPS but really not that stellar in its performance. Its biggest advantage seems to be that it is a cheap alternatative to IPS that has much better viewing angles.
Remember, one of the biggest selling points cited by Samsung was cost! Its cheaper to produce than IPS. That may be a larger motivation to Samsung than increased performance.
Of course, how this translates to the performance of our own toys is debateable, but its something to think about beyond the subjective impressions we have already heard.

That's definitely interesting. Perhaps the larger the panel, the greater the difficulty in achieving a uniform amount of back-light. I have definitely experienced this with clouding and flash-lighting on TV sets (and mainly the reason I switched to plasma - I'd rather roll the dice with image retention than sit and stare at uneven back-lighting during movies)
Have you read about the issues Samsung's having with the panel thickness on the GTab 8.9? There's not much other than a translated-from-Korean report, but it seems the company (and panel suppliers) use a very thin "G1F" touch panel for the 10.1, and may be forced to use a (40%!) thicker application (GFF) for the GTab 8.9 due to either shortages in supply or complications in the manufacturing process.
^I think that bit is a key factor when comparing display performance - anything that sits on top of the actual pixels will contribute to the clarity of the content being displayed. Here's the article: http://tablets-planet.com/2011/06/10/samsung-to-use-lower-quality-dispalys-on-some-galaxy-tab-8-9s/

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That's definitely interesting. Perhaps the larger the panel, the greater the difficulty in achieving a uniform amount of back-light. I have definitely experienced this with clouding and flash-lighting on TV sets (and mainly the reason I switched to plasma - I'd rather roll the dice with image retention than sit and stare at uneven back-lighting during movies)
Have you read about the issues Samsung's having with the panel thickness on the GTab 8.9? There's not much other than a translated-from-Korean report, but it seems the company (and panel suppliers) use a very thin "G1F" touch panel for the 10.1, and may be forced to use a (40%!) thicker application (GFF) for the GTab 8.9 due to either shortages in supply or complications in the manufacturing process.
^I think that bit is a key factor when comparing display performance - anything that sits on top of the actual pixels will contribute to the clarity of the content being displayed. Here's the article: http://tablets-planet.com/2011/06/10/samsung-to-use-lower-quality-dispalys-on-some-galaxy-tab-8-9s/
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Thanks. Very interesting article. Especially considering that there has been a lot of talk about the quality control of the existing 10.1 panels. There have been threads about moisture under the screen, dust under the screen, lots of people with dead pixels. Haven't encountered nearly so many screen anomalies in other device forums. Wonder if that's the reason the GTAB 10.1 is so scarce in many places. Perhaps there are problems producing the 10.1 screens.
Oh and I went Plasma for all my TV's as well for the same reason, in addition to the faster response time. Even my video gaming TV is a Plasma. And I have never had a single problem with image retention.
Edit: Looks like another website has an article about the screen supply problem, only this time relating specifically to the GTAB 10.1. They speculate on a change in GTAB thickness if they can't make enough of the screens.
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-to-be-thicker-than-ipad-2-due-to-supply-shortage-10158766/
Maybe soon there will be THREE versions of the GTAB 10.1: The 10.1, the 10.1v and the 10.1 series 2 extra thick!

I just found dust on my screen. Its definitely behind the glass panel.
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Slashgear is rife with editorial errors. that article misquotes the one I linked earlier. They even have published content that indicates it's the 8.9 and not the 10.1 affected but the different panel thickness:
http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-tab...tter-screen-in-some-areas-at-launch-10158611/
Either way, I doubt the US will see the thicker screen - they continued shipping AMOLED phone displays here despite a worldwide shortage, causing many other markets to receive Super LCD screens instead.

is it just me or is my screen a bit lacking in viewing angles?

it's surprising how bad the viewing angles are. It's more prevalent when you watch a movie on it like game of thrones where everything is dark. That or i'm having a major issue with light bleed. The blacks seem clouded and when i change the angle, you can see that the viewing angles aren't optimum.
Is this expected out of this note? I assume the PLS LCD from samsung was the IPS equivalent. It's shocking considering my Nexus 7 feels like a better screen.

It doesn't have the viewing angles of an AMOLED screen, but I find it sufficient. Based on what I've read in other sections of xda, PLS actually has better viewing angles than IPS or at least that's what's being perceived.

It's not just you, there is significant brightness falloff when viewing it off angle. However, there is very little, if any, color shift when viewing off angle. I can live with it, because of the pen. If it wasn't for the pen then there are several other tablets that are waay better at being tablets than the note.

I dont really have this problem, or else ive compensated in one way for another. In power savings mode i notice it more, but i have it on power savings mode at those times for a reason. See if you can change your screen mode in settings under display. That has helped me before during movies, however during movies i have this upright and i dont really touch the tablet .

skadebo said:
It's not just you, there is significant brightness falloff when viewing it off angle. However, there is very little, if any, color shift when viewing off angle. I can live with it, because of the pen. If it wasn't for the pen then there are several other tablets that are waay better at being tablets than the note.
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I don't think so. Can you name them? The ones that are better.

You fell for the trap ! No biting the bait !
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darkwolfelite said:
I don't think so. Can you name them? The ones that are better.
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iPad 4, iPad 3, Nexus 10, maybe even the TF Infinity pad if you're into that sort of thing. The high res + better off-axis viewing angles make for more enjoyable consumption devices.
Edit: I freaking love the Note btw because I need the s-pen. I'm just impervious to the reality distortion field that exists for every Android device in their own sections on XDA.

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You fell for the trap ! No biting the bait ! lol guess I did
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skadebo said:
iPad 4, iPad 3, Nexus 10, maybe even the TF Infinity pad if you're into that sort of thing. The high res + better off-axis viewing angles make for more enjoyable consumption devices.
Edit: I freaking love the Note btw because I need the s-pen. I'm just impervious to the reality distortion field that exists for every Android device in their own sections on XDA.
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Friends of mine have Ipads, all versions of it and they all complain that my tab can do and handle alot more than thiers. the Nexus 10 is not as good as the note. Samsung I believe made the nexus 10. They are not gonna make a better product for someone else. And the Infinity? I hope you are joking! I had 3 of those things and and was not better than the note.
But I know everyone likes what they want to like regardless of what specs are so I am not bashing what you or anyone else likes:laugh:

It's just you.

GSMArena, Swedroid, and Anandtech are the three sites that do thorough standardized testing. GSMArena's review of the Note was 8 pages long. Here's what they said about the display. I think it pretty much matches people's experiences.
The 10.1-inch PLS LCD screen with a resolution of 1280 x 800 pixels gets the job done but fails to impress. Android slates such as the ASUS Transformer Prime TF700T and the Acer Iconia Tab A700 are rocking full HD resolution, and the iPad 3 is in a league of its own with its 3.1MP screen. As a result pixel density on the Note 10.1 is nothing to be excited about (149ppi), but big tablets like this are viewed at a bigger distance than phones, so it's not as much of an issue as you might have thought. Still, if you've seen the new iPad, the difference in sharpness is quite noticeable. Numbers aside, the image quality is decent. Viewing angles are very good and blacks look reasonably deep.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1-review-798p2.php​

DammitCubs said:
it's surprising how bad the viewing angles are. It's more prevalent when you watch a movie on it like game of thrones where everything is dark. That or i'm having a major issue with light bleed. The blacks seem clouded and when i change the angle, you can see that the viewing angles aren't optimum.
Is this expected out of this note? I assume the PLS LCD from samsung was the IPS equivalent. It's shocking considering my Nexus 7 feels like a better screen.
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I think some of you guys are staring to hard at HD LCD because there is zero issue looking at my screen from an angle and that's with brightness down.... ur just use to looking at the Nexus or the ipad that has a higher resolution... there's nothing wrong with the notes screen!

I don't have any issues with viewing angles, so my vote is its just you.

I like dealing with evidence so attached are some pictures I took with manual settings and a custom whitebalance. Contrast appears lower when viewing off angle. Or maybe Samsung did the classic switch-a-roo where early adopters get nice panels and then they switch to crummier / cheaper ones down the line.

Okay so I looked more carefully and I definitely see that off-angle viewing results in the dark or black areas of photos / movies become a grayish mess, kind of like in the bottom left hand corner of my second photo. The saturated / brighter parts of the photo are fine though. Anyway, I don't really care because the Note is awesome, I just wanted to bring some facts to the table instead of subjectivity.

skadebo said:
iPad 4, iPad 3, Nexus 10, maybe even the TF Infinity pad if you're into that sort of thing. The high res + better off-axis viewing angles make for more enjoyable consumption devices.
Edit: I freaking love the Note btw because I need the s-pen. I'm just impervious to the reality distortion field that exists for every Android device in their own sections on XDA.
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LOL. Awesome response

To give people an idea of what i see. When I play game of thrones. During dark scenes, everything looks cloudy. And at low brightnesses, in complete darkness, I still have to pump up my brightness to 40%.
I have a Nexus 7, Retina Macbook next to me. You can clearly see a difference. Also, on different angles magnifies that "white cloud". It's very similar to those TFT on laptops showing very bad blacks. The blacks are bad, but the clouding above is significant.
I bought it for the S-pen and work but it's something I noticed over the weekend.

Try movie mode under screen mode, let me know if it makes a difference. This is one of the only tablets i have to install a screen filter app on because its too bright in total darkness.

I find the viewing angle issues are easily solved using the following steps:
1) Sit in a comfortable chair.
2) Hold the SGN10.1 directly in front of you.
I mean, is there a particular reason you feel the need to view your Note from an extreme angle?
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mitchellvii said:
Hold the SGN10.1 directly in front of you.
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Funny.
I guess I've never noticed it as an issue because it doesn't seem to be on mine...

mitchellvii said:
I find the viewing angle issues are easily solved using the following steps:
1) Sit in a comfortable chair.
2) Hold the SGN10.1 directly in front of you.
I mean, is there a particular reason you feel the need to view your Note from an extreme angle?
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Good one. Haha!
Why would anyone want to watch movies on a tablet in an angle anyway?