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$700 for the 32GB model? Hmm...
The price is way to high. $400 tops.
That isn't cheap by any means but keep in mind that the wifi model should be quite a bit cheaper than this, wouldn't be holding my breath for $400 though.
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WTF is Moto thinking here?
These price leaks have FAIL written all over them. No eff'in way will you see me shell out more than $500 for a glorified internet browser/PSP. Make a port of a useful program like Eclipse and a way to write and run code... and we'll talk.
The use cases for tablets are out there, but none of them are compelling enough to price in the laptop range. I mean, this thing is a beast spec wise, but offers less than 1/3rd of the functionality. Can I write code, model 3d... etc? Damn it, $200 more and I could buy an eff'ing macbook (w/ student discount).
I'm not sure I understand who their target market its. I am in the market for a tablet, but that flat out prices me OUT of that tablet. It's a 1st generation, no history, no followers that want an upgrade...nothing like that. Everyone I know that has an iPad is happy with it and I don't think they are going to pull many from that market (especially the apple-holics). While I'm glad to see the price drop from $800 to $700.....that is a $hit ton of coin for a gadget. I know tablets are more than "just" gadgets but I'm willing to guess most of us have laptop, smartphones, and PCs....so in that sense, it is sorta like a new gadget cuz we clearly don't "need" it.
I really don't understand how they justify this price with virtually no track record.
I'd like to point the finger at Apple for this one. They've effectively set the bar for price point with the iPad and now all other manufacturers are following suit.
What these other companies (Moto, Samsung, etc.) need to understand is that Apple charges as much as they do because they can, people will pay for the image.
Android tablets, in my mind, should be priced significantly lower in order to move units and undercut Apple. Why would they ever charge more, or even the same, when Apple already has such a strangle hold on the market? I can almost guarantee that these Android tablets will be dead on arrival (as far as general public/mass market appeal) if they charge iPad prices or above. With the iPad 2 just around the corner these Android tablets really need all the help they can get, especially if they want to win over Apple customers. Even if Android has more functionality than iOS general consumers will still see the iPad as being the best option, and the result will be Android being eclipsed by the iPad 2 launch (at least for initial release).
I'm all for the potential of tablet computing but as someone stated before, and this is bang on in my mind, laptop prices with 1/3 of the functionality. So why would I pay that and why do I need one?
I really hope Moto can win me over with functionality and pricing because the closer we get to a release date the less I think I want one of these tablets.
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I'd like to point the finger at Apple for this one. They've effectively set the bar for price point with the iPad and now all other manufacturers are following suit.
What these other companies (Moto, Samsung, etc.) need to understand is that Apple charges as much as they do because they can, people will pay for the image.
Android tablets, in my mind, should be priced significantly lower in order to move units and undercut Apple. Why would they ever charge more, or even the same, when Apple already has such a strangle hold on the market? I can almost guarantee that these Android tablets will be dead on arrival (as far as general public/mass market appeal) if they charge iPad prices or above. With the iPad 2 just around the corner these Android tablets really need all the help they can get, especially if they want to win over Apple customers. Even if Android has more functionality than iOS general consumers will still see the iPad as being the best option, and the result will be Android being eclipsed by the iPad 2 launch (at least for initial release).
I'm all for the potential of tablet computing but as someone stated before, and this is bang on in my mind, laptop prices with 1/3 of the functionality. So why would I pay that and why do I need one?
I really hope Moto can win me over with functionality and pricing because the closer we get to a release date the less I think I want one of these tablets.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Up until now I was 100% sure I wanted a XOOM. It's the standard that Google is using to base Honeycomb on, all of their developers have one. It's the flagship tablet for Honeycomb and they're killing it by trying to match Apple's price on the iPad. Very big mistake, and I have serious doubts on how well this thing is going to sale. Compare it to the Asus EEEPad Transformer who's prices are much lower and if Engadget is right, it even comes with the keyboard dock. I just don't understand.
CaffeineIndustries said:
WTF is Moto thinking here?
These price leaks have FAIL written all over them. No eff'in way will you see me shell out more than $500 for a glorified internet browser/PSP. Make a port of a useful program like Eclipse and a way to write and run code... and we'll talk.
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Totally agree. If they price it at laptop level, it has to be able to REPLACE the laptop, so yeah, Eclipse would be cool for us devs (with a bluetooth keyboard, obviously). Although for the average user, most usual apps are available (most people have a computer for internet browsing and the Office apps).
As for the Xoom price vs iPad, in my mind it absolutely HAS to be lower than the pad. Significantly. No one in the real world is going "oh, I wish I could buy this Android Xoom tablet, but it's too expensive, I'll just go with the iPad instead...". It's the other way around, which is why it has to be significantly cheaper to steal some tablets customers. Many of my friends don't even know what's Android!
Sadly like many of you its not looking good for me getting one of these. Looks like I'll be waiting on an iPad 2. Moto really looks like they'll be screwing the pooch on this one.
You guys are mostly wrong, did you even look at ipad prices? This thing is priced competitively and is ****ting on the ipad in terms of specs, so you expect something with massive spec bump to be cheaper, I'm confused. And high end laptops don't cost anywhere around $700. You're comparing a cheap laptop to the highest spec tablet out there, nor do I believe you guys are looking at the full potential of tabs, by the end of the year your tab will be like another screen in your home with Comcast for 1 example, $700 and I'm getting one on day 1. To the Guy who said this should cost less then the ipad, that's a ****ing joke right?
Actually I don't know why I'm wasting my time, I'm in a room with a bunch of people under 10 posts lol
I thought more about this last night and this morning. I had all sorts of justifcations in mind for why I would need (want ) the Xoom and I was willing to hold out for it. But the price is rediculous and simply NOT justifiable for some.
This price has really turned me off. I'm seriously thinking about just getting a Nook Color, rooting it, and calling that good. Honeycomb was my hope, Gingerbread will be fine for $250 thannkyouverymuch.
Although I may wait about February 15th so I can utilize the 14 day return policy just in case.....the Xoom price drops
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I thought more about this last night and this morning. I had all sorts of justifcations in mind for why I would need (want ) the Xoom and I was willing to hold out for it. But the price is rediculous and simply NOT justifiable for some.
This price has really turned me off. I'm seriously thinking about just getting a Nook Color, rooting it, and calling that good. Honeycomb was my hope, Gingerbread will be fine for $250 thannkyouverymuch.
Although I may wait about February 15th so I can utilize the 14 day return policy just in case.....the Xoom price drops
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30 days here in Cali
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You guys are mostly wrong, did you even look at ipad prices? This thing is priced competitively and is ****ting on the ipad in terms of specs, so you expect something with massive spec bump to be cheaper, I'm confused. And high end laptops don't cost anywhere around $700. You're comparing a cheap laptop to the highest spec tablet out there, nor do I believe you guys are looking at the full potential of tabs, by the end of the year your tab will be like another screen in your home with Comcast for 1 example, $700 and I'm getting one on day 1. To the Guy who said this should cost less then the ipad, that's a ****ing joke right?
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As I said, most people don't know what's Android, everybody knows what's an iPhone/iPad. They want that thing with the Apple, so yeah, it has to be cheaper than the iPad (well, than the iPad 2, obviously, the iPad 1 will drop in price when the new one comes out). I know the specs of the Xoom are crazy (but please don't compare that to a high end laptop) but just look at the reactions out there, no one's excited about the current price leaks.
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As I said, most people don't know what's Android, everybody knows what's an iPhone/iPad. They want that thing with the Apple, so yeah, it has to be cheaper than the iPad (well, than the iPad 2, obviously, the iPad 1 will drop in price when the new one comes out). I know the specs of the Xoom are crazy (but please don't compare that to a high end laptop) but just look at the reactions out there, no one's excited about the current price leaks.
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But everybody is excited about the product, and I don't know where you live but EVERYONE in California knows about android and iPhone
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But everybody is excited about the product, and I don't know where you live but EVERYONE in California knows about android and iPhone
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I'm excited about the product too! Who wouldn't be, this is the best tablet so far. I understand that you'll buy it no matter the price, I won't unless it's cheaper, like many others. Not much to add... As for where I live, hint: look at the flag... Yep, some people in the great North don't know about Android. Crazy, eh?
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You guys are mostly wrong, did you even look at ipad prices? This thing is priced competitively and is ****ting on the ipad in terms of specs, so you expect something with massive spec bump to be cheaper, I'm confused. And high end laptops don't cost anywhere around $700. You're comparing a cheap laptop to the highest spec tablet out there, nor do I believe you guys are looking at the full potential of tabs, by the end of the year your tab will be like another screen in your home with Comcast for 1 example, $700 and I'm getting one on day 1. To the Guy who said this should cost less then the ipad, that's a ****ing joke right?
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It is very possible to buy an extremely capable laptop now-a-days for between $500-$800. Yes the XOOM is impressive spec wise (for tablets) at the moment but a month after its release the iPad 2 will be here and suddenly Moto's offering won't exactly be "****ting" on anything anymore.
Also, I just want to be clear that I'm not saying the iPad is better than the XOOM or any other Android offering, I'm just trying to look at this from a general consumer's point of view.
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Actually I don't know why I'm wasting my time, I'm in a room with a bunch of people under 10 posts lol
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This was completely unnecessary, no one is attacking you personally here. Also, a quick look through this thread would prove you wrong. Not to mention that most of the posts here bring up good points and are well written. We may have less posts than you but that doesn't mean much if you pride yourself on posting 'quality' comments such as this.
Who are we kidding? We're all buying this tablet. lol
I just hope we get it here in Canada for $700 and not some bull**** price of $749.99+ or whatever. Our dollar is par now.
I'd sure like the WiFi only version, since by then I'll have the Atrix (coming to Bell), no need for 2 3G devices.
http://briefmobile.com/will-the-xoom-fail-at-launch
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http://briefmobile.com/will-the-xoom-fail-at-launch
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I hope it doesn't bomb, but I think it will. If it is a success, I will be surprised.
My hope is that the other companies planning on launching Honeycomb tablets learn a little from this (likely) failed launch and try to avoid the many mistakes made by Verizon, Best Buy, and Motorola. I'm more interested in Honeycomb succeeding than the Xoom or any one device, but this has not been a good start.
I posted the first comment there, to me he seems to be a huge Apple fan lol.
"You got it all wrong, they have been vocal winning best of CES a bit over a month ago when it was announced and then again during MWC a few days ago. Meanwhile we heard directly from the CEO a week back on the exact pricing of the 3G model and WIFI version. Meanwhile commercials have been airing regularly.
Also if you want to compare this next gen tablet to the old dominant one, I feel you must compare at least the price of the WIFI only model with the same 32gb gives you the exact same $599.99, I feel you are giving an overly Apple biased argument when you put a dual core 1ghz CPU up against a single core as well as the Xoom having 4 times the ram, expandable data space through a microSD slot, HDMI out, a front and rear facing camera a true widescreen with 16:10 aspect ratio running at a higher resolution on what some are saying is the best tablet operating system to date.
Yes I'm planing on picking one up on Thursday and I feel it will more then likely out feature the iPad 2 as well.
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The video of the last Engadget podcast had a valid point. When Android first came out, the iPhone was thought to be an insurmountable force. It was believed that there was no chance of it succeeding against the iPhone. Not only did it exceed expectations, it seems to have exceeded the iPhone period.
The XOOM is a real tablet, moreso than anything in existence. It is more capable than the iPad in both functionality and in the fact that it's a tablet OS designed on a tablet for a tablet. It's not a desktop OS on a tablet like Windows 7, or a phone OS lazily modified for a tablet like iOS. This means that, while the XOOM 3G may not be ringing true to the tune of some people's wallets/budgets, it will do well among many of the people who have been waiting for a real tablet, like me. I don't know how many of me there are, but we will know in a month. Also, we will know even moreso when the WiFi-Only version is released, which I pray is no later than the end of Q1 2011 b.k.a March. The first thing I will be doing is making a series of videos showcasing the power of video streaming on the device. My phone can handle streaming of AVI.. but I haven't managed to stream 1080p MKV yet.
Your question should be more will XOOM fail period, because launch is not a fair indicator. By price alone, the original launch will possibly be underwhelming. Many people will be waiting for the cheaper WiFi-only version. Others will be waiting to see if the device has a locked bootloader, while some may be waiting for LG, Samsung(though I can't see why anyone would trust them after they abandoned the Galaxy Tab 1 after less than 6 months), or the multitude of other tablets. Some people will also be waiting(futilely) for the sure to be underwhelming iPad 2 announcement of 1 or 2 real improvements and a bunch more fancy bull. The last group will still be on the fence about needing a tablet. You might see a fair uptick in a few months before the next school year if any of these proves useful for students.
The sheer amount of options in the next 6 months is really going to make it hard to gauge the success of Honeycomb, which is the real question. It's about Honeycomb, not the XOOM.
The Xoom will fail. I don't even know if I'll buy one anymore, and I was the biggest fan of it after CES. If I buy one, it will likely be the wifi version. The nail in that coffin is the ridiculous restrictions on activation. Requiring 3g activation, plus charging $200 more for a 3g/4g radio is outrageous. I don't think I would have even taken a second look at the $800 price tag if I 1) didn't have to pay more to activate, and 2) didn't know that they're charging $200 just for the 3g radio.
We have to vote with our wallets, and my wallet says that a 3g/4g radio isn't worth $200 and carrier restrictions will not be tolerated.
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The video of the last Engadget podcast had a valid point. When Android first came out, the iPhone was thought to be an insurmountable force. It was believed that there was no chance of it succeeding against the iPhone. Not only did it exceed expectations, it seems to have exceeded the iPhone period.
The XOOM is a real tablet, moreso than anything in existence. It is more capable than the iPad in both functionality and in the fact that it's a tablet OS designed on a tablet for a tablet. It's not a desktop OS on a tablet like Windows 7, or a phone OS lazily modified for a tablet like iOS. This means that, while the XOOM 3G may not be ringing true to the tune of some people's wallets/budgets, it will do well among many of the people who have been waiting for a real tablet, like me. I don't know how many of me there are, but we will know in a month. Also, we will know even moreso when the WiFi-Only version is released, which I pray is no later than the end of Q1 2011 b.k.a March. The first thing I will be doing is making a series of videos showcasing the power of video streaming on the device. My phone can handle streaming of AVI.. but I haven't managed to stream 1080p MKV yet.
Your question should be more will XOOM fail period, because launch is not a fair indicator. By price alone, the original launch will possibly be underwhelming. Many people will be waiting for the cheaper WiFi-only version. Others will be waiting to see if the device has a locked bootloader, while some may be waiting for LG, Samsung(though I can't see why anyone would trust them after they abandoned the Galaxy Tab 1 after less than 6 months), or the multitude of other tablets. Some people will also be waiting(futilely) for the sure to be underwhelming iPad 2 announcement of 1 or 2 real improvements and a bunch more fancy bull. The last group will still be on the fence about needing a tablet. You might see a fair uptick in a few months before the next school year if any of these proves useful for students.
The sheer amount of options in the next 6 months is really going to make it hard to gauge the success of Honeycomb, which is the real question. It's about Honeycomb, not the XOOM.
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I think the launch will fail as far as selling a high amount of units and establishing a brand name. Once the iPad 2 and other Honeycomb tablets hit the market, the playing field will be a lot different than it is now. The Xoom will be forgotten about. Even if it isn't forgotten about, it'll be VERY hard for Motorola to get a good amount of sales with it. Since the G-Slate and GT 10.1 are so evenly matched, the sales will basically be split. Unless one of the tablets are much cheaper than the others and has decent television marketing.
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I think the launch will fail as far as selling a high amount of units and establishing a brand name. Once the iPad 2 and other Honeycomb tablets hit the market, the playing field will be a lot different than it is now. The Xoom will be forgotten about. Even if it isn't forgotten about, it'll be VERY hard for Motorola to get a good amount of sales with it. Since the G-Slate and GT 10.1 are so evenly matched, the sales will basically be split. Unless one of the tablets are much cheaper than the others and has decent television marketing.
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This is not true. Something I watched today, maybe the Engadget podcast, said that the G-Slate is going to be 1000$. This is perfectly believable because its got what the XOOM has + useless 3D features. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not evenly matched. It has a smaller size but IIRC it's missing a microSD card slot, hdmi, and usb. The only way to get USB, and maybe HDMI is to use hard to find PDMI cables. It might be cheaper out the gate, but any discount will be mitigated or obliterated by the need to pay high price pdmi adapters that 99.9% of us don't have.
I think we will see the WiFi-Only 32GB version released around iPad 2 time for 600$. I am hoping they release a 16GB version too to compete at the 500$ price point, but I don't think it will matter. Honeycomb will not be for people who are happy with the iPad, as such I don't think the 500$ price point is as important as people think.
Of course, only time will tell.
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This is not true. Something I watched today, maybe the Engadget podcast, said that the G-Slate is going to be 1000$. This is perfectly believable because its got what the XOOM has + useless 3D features. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not evenly matched. It has a smaller size but IIRC it's missing a microSD card slot, hdmi, and usb. The only way to get USB, and maybe HDMI is to use hard to find PDMI cables. It might be cheaper out the gate, but any discount will be mitigated or obliterated by the need to pay high price pdmi adapters that 99.9% of us don't have.
I think we will see the WiFi-Only 32GB version released around iPad 2 time for 600$. I am hoping they release a 16GB version too to compete at the 500$ price point, but I don't think it will matter. Honeycomb will not be for people who are happy with the iPad, as such I don't think the 500$ price point is as important as people think.
Of course, only time will tell.
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$1000 converted from UK currency?
Devices in other countries always cost much more than they do in the US. Heck, the Optimus 2X is like $750 if you convert Korean currency to US dollars. I hardly believe that will be the final price. Was $1200 the final price of the Xoom? No it wasn't. Even with 3D technology, it still won't release anywhere around that.
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$1000 converted from UK currency?
Devices in other countries always cost much more than they do in the US. Heck, the Optimus 2X is like $750 if you convert Korean currency to US dollars. I hardly believe that will be the final price. Was $1200 the final price of the Xoom? No it wasn't. Even with 3D technology, it still won't release anywhere around that.
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Well no one really thought the XOOM was 1200$. Apple fanboys perpetuated that nonsense to hurt the device, but it was obviously a placeholder price as they always are.
About the 1000$.. I just heard it on Engadget podcast, I expected them to use US money. If its 1000$ GBP.. that's crappy reporting. Though I have to say I don't see the LG being competitive with 3G. I'm going to be so i can preorder a xoom in 9 hours
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Well no one really thought the XOOM was 1200$. Apple fanboys perpetuated that nonsense to hurt the device, but it was obviously a placeholder price as they always are.
About the 1000$.. I just heard it on Engadget podcast, I expected them to use US money. If its 1000$ GBP.. that's crappy reporting. Though I have to say I don't see the LG being competitive with 3G. I'm going to be so i can preorder a xoom in 9 hours
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If they're "Apple" fanboys what does that make you? I can't stand when people are biased like this its immature as hell dude.
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There is a huge "Netral" camp of comsumers out there, who should really be the primary target of both Apple and Non-Apple tablet producers.
From this perspective, if , assuming Apple follows the same style by releasing iPad 2 at 499/599/699 for wifi-only version and reduce iPad 1 by 100 USD for each level, XOOM has a VERY VERY hard time to justify its 800 price tag with comparable iPad 2, whose functionality is rumored to be comparable to current "state-of-art" tablets.
And one important point, from marketing point of view,
1. Still a lot of people are seen as very cool by carrying an apple product around, but not by carrying a Dell/Motorola around. Sony may be better.
2. Was there ever/is there going to be a long line like the one on first launching day of iPhone 4 for Motorola's XOOM? where it is gonna be? Best Buy's store front???
Again, I am not an Apple fanboy, and in fact, I hate their arrogant attitude and monopoly behavior (subscription policy etc etc), but just at the time I am about to happily find the best Android tablet come out to compete with iPad, I saw the price tag... ouch! Unfortunate decision, They thought their brand carry such a premium???
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If they're "Apple" fanboys what does that make you? I can't stand when people are biased like this its immature as hell dude.
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Correction. LG won't be competitive with 3D, not 3G.
I am simply stating that anyone who thought the 1200$ price was legit is either an idiot, a noob, or intentionally fear mongering. I knew instantly that 1200$ was the typical price holder we always see initially in BBY and other retailers systems in the month(s) leading up to a release. When the HTC EVO first showed up in systems it was listed at well over 1500$, thought I don't recall the number. So if someone is knowledgeable of the industry, and thought 1200$ was legit, they are an idiot. If they were knowledgeable and perpetuated the price, like most of the Engadget raging commenters, they are a fearmongering Apple/Palm/Nokia-boy. Or simply a troll.
I currently choose Android. I do not pretend that Apple is complete crap. They serve a purpose, and I can see that. A fanboy is someone who can't see that.
I wonder what your issue is that you call me immature.
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Correction. LG won't be competitive with 3D, not 3G.
I am simply stating that anyone who thought the 1200$ price was legit is either an idiot, a noob, or intentionally fear mongering. I knew instantly that 1200$ was the typical price holder we always see initially in BBY and other retailers systems in the month(s) leading up to a release. When the HTC EVO first showed up in systems it was listed at well over 1500$, thought I don't recall the number. So if someone is knowledgeable of the industry, and thought 1200$ was legit, they are an idiot. If they were knowledgeable and perpetuated the price, like most of the Engadget raging commenters, they are a fearmongering Apple/Palm/Nokia-boy. Or simply a troll.
I currently choose Android. I do not pretend that Apple is complete crap. They serve a purpose, and I can see that. A fanboy is someone who can't see that.
I wonder what your issue is that you call me immature.
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The fanboy comments are always so immature. I just skip past them.
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The fanboy comments are always so immature. I just skip past them.
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I'm confused. Am I being labeled as a fanboy?
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I'm confused. Am I being labeled as a fanboy?
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No no no... not you
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No no no... not you
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Ok good. I mean I love Android, but I have always considered myself reasonable in my assessments. I have switched allegiances too willy nilly to be a true fanboy. I was swinging the apple banner till the evo release.
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There is a huge "Netral" camp of comsumers out there, who should really be the primary target of both Apple and Non-Apple tablet producers.
From this perspective, if , assuming Apple follows the same style by releasing iPad 2 at 499/599/699 for wifi-only version and reduce iPad 1 by 100 USD for each level, XOOM has a VERY VERY hard time to justify its 800 price tag with comparable iPad 2, whose functionality is rumored to be comparable to current "state-of-art" tablets.
And one important point, from marketing point of view,
1. Still a lot of people are seen as very cool by carrying an apple product around, but not by carrying a Dell/Motorola around. Sony may be better.
2. Was there ever/is there going to be a long line like the one on first launching day of iPhone 4 for Motorola's XOOM? where it is gonna be? Best Buy's store front???
Again, I am not an Apple fanboy, and in fact, I hate their arrogant attitude and monopoly behavior (subscription policy etc etc), but just at the time I am about to happily find the best Android tablet come out to compete with iPad, I saw the price tag... ouch! Unfortunate decision, They thought their brand carry such a premium???
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I hate to compare anything with the idevices. But when you first see the $800 price tag. It makes everybody thinks motorola over price it compared to the ipad. but come on, the ipad has only half the features in the xoom. 64 gb ipad with wifi plus 3g is $829. that's $30 more than the xoom. The only thing that version has over the xoom is storage. Xoom on the other hand has sd card slot.
For the record, I just check best buy site yesterday. pre order is now on back order, so are the accessories. I'm just not sure if I can trust that source though. Seemed pretty fast.
ps: I was the first one pre order the thing at my local best buy.
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I hate to compare anything with the idevices. But when you first see the $800 price tag. It makes everybody thinks motorola over price it compared to the ipad. but come on, the ipad has only half the features in the xoom. 64 gb ipad with wifi plus 3g is $829. that's $30 more than the xoom. The only thing that version has over the xoom is storage. Xoom on the other hand has sd card slot.
For the record, I just check best buy site yesterday. pre order is now on back order, so are the accessories. I'm just not sure if I can trust that source though. Seemed pretty fast.
ps: I was the first one pre order the thing at my local best buy.
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The Xoom accessories were "backordered" right off the bat at BB.com. They were never in stock.
It comes with no flash.... So yes.
You have to download flash 10.1 from the market. Flash will work w/ this tab.
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Wow! Think suppliers are attempting to clear current inventory for possible TF2? Or at least Christmas shopping?
Wow that's an even better deal than when Staples had their $100 off coupon. The $199 Kindle Fire is going to beat up the prices on every tablet.
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Wow! Think suppliers are attempting to clear current inventory for possible TF2? Or at least Christmas shopping?
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I'm still convinced the TF 2 isn't that near by. If anything, this sale is a response to the kindle fire.
Why do I think this? Because I heard about the TF a whole year before it finally came out. And back then the rumor was the TF would arrive any day now. Yup, any minute, actually. Well, that any day turned into a whole year.
I'm just not convinced it would take them less than 5 months between the time the tegra 3 is released and when asus could ship in volume devices equipped with the tegra 3.
Transformer $399. Dock $149. $549.00
Asus Slider $479.00
So....
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Transformer $399. Dock $149. $549.00
Asus Slider $479.00
So....
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Do you even read? it's 399$ for the TF+dock ..
^lol go easy on him
so whats the stand alone price for the dock? thats all i need. researching.....
updated: still not cheaper than $118 with free shipping. eh black friday/ cyber monday is kinda around the corner. ill wait lol
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I'm still convinced the TF 2 isn't that near by. If anything, this sale is a response to the kindle fire.
Why do I think this? Because I heard about the TF a whole year before it finally came out. And back then the rumor was the TF would arrive any day now. Yup, any minute, actually. Well, that any day turned into a whole year.
I'm just not convinced it would take them less than 5 months between the time the tegra 3 is released and when asus could ship in volume devices equipped with the tegra 3.
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I'm a little bitter at Nvidia as well for crying wolf too, but Tegra 2 was there first Android chip. There were a few non-honeycomb tablets that came out before Zoom (Elocity A7 & ViewSonic). I think Nvidia was late on hardware and blundered on the Tegra 2 by not being ready for honeycomb. I think they were originally targeting 2.2. Hopefully, they have learned from both mistakes.
I'm on the sidelines for the moment. My wife thinks she wants some sort of tablet and the Fire is an option. There are a ton of good looking gingerbread tablets coming soon (I'm assuming fire is gingerbread under the covers as well) in $200ish. I'm liking the Lenovo A7 from a specs standpoint. The Arnova G2 10" might be nice too.
Anyway, benchmarks from the TF201 have been seen. So it exists in some form.
I have a Nook Color running CM7 nightlies.
I ordered a Transformer from Target when they had them for $399 but my order 'got lost in the system', sigh.
I saw this deal and jumped on it.
I doubt that Target will have any inventory to even honor my order. They issued a UPS tracking label but UPS has yet to receive the package and it has been several days. They are sold out so I doubt I ever get that one hence the order with Newegg.
I can't wait to get my hands on this device.
I wonder if we will be able to root this one?
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Do you even read? it's 399$ for the TF+dock ..
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This is in response to the posts pondering the price cut.
Do YOU even read?
Smells vinegary in here.
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This is in response to the posts pondering the price cut.
Do YOU even read?
Smells vinegary in here.
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Yes, and it's a valid point. I'm sure Asus has figured it out that $550 for the Transformer+keyboard dock is hard to justify when they're selling the Slider for $479. Plus, we know that Asus must be making some nice margins with the dock at $149. Couple that with the inevitable decrease in component costs for the TF, and suddenly it's probably quite feasible for Asus to drop the price for both and still make a decent margin.
I picked up this deal today. The gf wanted a tablet for school, so I dug around a bit and almost bought it on Amazon for $400 without the dock.
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I have picked one up on this deal, but wonder if I would be able to root this or not? I wonder if I am going to get with serial number B70 from NewEgg?
I wonder if all of the new Asus TF have locked bootloader which prevents them from rooting?
If I can't root, it is deal broker for me, and I am not sure if Newegg will take it back or not?
Goddamn, this is frickin' awesome (but heartbreaking..). Anyway, if I didn't have one, I'd totally buy this. I don't think root capability would affect my decision, as the stock version is pretty awesome already. Pre-Netflix, I would have needed the root, but now.. >_>
Just ordered one.... very very legit deal.
I found the sale by accident... there was some ASUS reps on MSU's campus for the Sparty LAN Party... if they read this you guys sold me on it. I loved playing with the demo unit
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I wonder if we will be able to root this one?
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Goddamn, this is frickin' awesome (but heartbreaking..). Anyway, if I didn't have one, I'd totally buy this. I don't think root capability would affect my decision, as the stock version is pretty awesome already. Pre-Netflix, I would have needed the root, but now.. >_>
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I have picked one up on this deal, but wonder if I would be able to root this or not? I wonder if I am going to get with serial number B70 from NewEgg?
I wonder if all of the new Asus TF have locked bootloader which prevents them from rooting?
If I can't root, it is deal broker for me, and I am not sure if Newegg will take it back or not?
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See here. It appears it will not be rootable.
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See here. It appears it will not be rootable.
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I was afraid of this, but I went ahead and bought it because it's such a great deal. If anything, you can resell the TF and dock on ebay and still come out good. I think I'll be happy with the stock ROM for now anyways.
But, newegg, by some miracle, could have some older stock of the TF and some of us could get lucky...Here's to wishful thinking
Just because it's not rootable now, doesn't mean it won't be rootable later. But it could take a long time.
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I kind of thought the sale might have to do with demand for the dock. The TFs have been relatively hard to find, but New egg's stock indicator was showing 9999+ of the dock last night.
Anyway, this deal was a perfect storm for me. I've been shopping around for a while, waiting to see what was coming out and at what price points. Skype was a big want for me, and having heard it works reasonably well with the new update, and then finding the free keyboard deal put me over the top.
-Brian
Well I decided to bite the bullet and pick up a 32GB TF101 at BB for $399. I was VERY unhappy with my Acer a500 wifi performance so one of the first things I did when I got home was to compare the two side by side and what a difference.
The Asus was reporting Excellent signal strength at 72Mbps and the Acer was reporting Good strength at 19 Mbps. The icing on the cake was when I fired up wifi analyzer and the Asus reported -45dB signal strength and the Acer was around -68dB.
That is a HUGE difference which just confirms to me that my wifi really sucked. I had trouble getting wifi in places that I shouldn't have trouble. Maybe I had a bad a500, but it seems to be a widespread issue and I bet some of it is because of the aluminum back cover (just like the Prime which ironically has the same issue).
Anyway, so now the question that I have is that I have read about the backlight bleeding in the TF101 and I do have it on the one that I picked up today. It is almost dead center (width-wise) and right on the bottom so you can see it pretty easy since the status bar is always black. So my question is, should I return it and try and get another one to see if it is better or do they all have varying degrees of light bleed?
I did mine- got one without any noticeable bleed (noticeable being the key word in the TF screen dept, they seem to be plagued by it and goodintentions will chime in to tell you that all ipad2s have it WORSE lol)
Highly recommend getting an ipad2. That's all I gotta say.
What did I tell you? LOL
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What did I tell you? LOL
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I lurk on on apple forums a lot. Trust me, all ipad2's have backlight bleeding. The thing is ipad2 users either don't notice or don't care. A lot of them have even stated after they read about it and checked their own ipads that they saw it had massive light bleeds like mofos, but they still didn't care.
In fact, the only people who care so much about light bleeds are android users. What's ironic is before there was an android device with ips display android users were whining about the lack of ips display on android tablets. And now that there are ips display android tablets android users are now whining about light bleeds.
I'm not saying if you have massive light bleeds that you should live with it. I'm also not saying that you should live with any light bleeds if it bothers you that much. It's just an obseration that ipads have light bleeds like mofos but ipad users don't seem to care that much.
But anyway, to the OP, since you will probably need intensive psychological treatment for the small amount of light bleeds that you have, you should exchange your unit for another one. Chances are the next one will also have light bleeds. Keep exchanging it. I'm sure after 10 times or so may be you'll get lucky and get a unit that have no light bleeds.
PS - I've worked with over a dozen TF's and they all had light bleeds to some extend. None very bad. A few barely noticeable, but they are there. I wish you the best of luck in your quest for a light bleed free TF.
Where do you find the time to lurk in apple forums when you lurk in here so often? lol
I am not really looking for a bleed-free unit, but when I booted it up for the first time that is the first thing that caught my eye. I think what makes it jump out is that there is very minimal bleed anywhere else on the screen and then there is this one spot about an inch wide that is pretty noticeable.
And it happens to be right on the black bar along the bottom so you always see it. I am a little afraid to swap it out and then get one worse, but I might take the chance. If this spot was along the top of the unit there is no question that I wouldn't even really worry about it.
All I can say is that ur a fool.
U can get a tf201 for 450otd
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What are does bleeds??? Can anybody show me a picture or video?
I've been looking for any anomaly on my transformer screen and I don't see anything...
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All I can say is that ur a fool.
U can get a tf201 for 450otd
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First, I am not sure where you can get the Prime for $450 out the door (I live in NY state so virtually everywhere charges tax, the cheapest I have seen it is $500). Second, the only reason I got the TF101 to begin with was because my Acer had extremely poor wifi strength and that is the same issue that plagues the Prime (along with basically no GPS in the Prime since it doesn't work). So assuming I could get it for $450 out the door, why would I even pay $50 more for a unit that has WAY more problems than the TF101?
Please don't give me the whole "I have a Prime and mine is fine" comment that almost all Prime owners give. It is well documented, and reflected in reviews on most websites, the the Prime has some pretty widespread issues.
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What are does bleeds??? Can anybody show me a picture or video?
I've been looking for any anomaly on my transformer screen and I don't see anything...
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Then why worry about it? If you don't see any anomaly's don't ask for pictures of anomalies to see what they look like because then you will most likely find some. If it looks fine to you, just let it go.
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All I can say is that ur a fool.
U can get a tf201 for 450otd
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And some, like myself, would say that you're a fool. I paid $250 for a brand new TF101 last May. I plan on buying the prime, but not for more than $250.
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And some, like myself, would say that you're a fool. I paid $250 for a brand new TF101 last May. I plan on buying the prime, but not for more than $250.
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I just don't understand why people still insist on taking their chances with the Prime at the moment when it is pretty well documented that the QA for the unit is terrible and that Wifi/GPS/BT are pretty screwed up.
It seems like the Prime was a science experiment and a way to push the Tegra3 to the market first. I think people are too infatuated with having the "fastest" tablet, but what good is a tablet that doesn't get good, consistent wifi (unless you are buying it strictly for games)?
EDIT: I am curious to see where he found the Prime for $450 out the door though because at that price I may have actually tried it first since I paid $432 after taxes for the TF101. I did have $125 in BB gift cards though which is why I kind of preferred to get it from BB.
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EDIT: I am curious to see where he found the Prime for $450 out the door though because at that price I may have actually tried it first since I paid $432 after taxes for the TF101. I did have $125 in BB gift cards though which is why I kind of preferred to get it from BB.
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I stay away from best buy like the plague.
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Then why worry about it? If you don't see any anomaly's don't ask for pictures of anomalies to see what they look like because then you will most likely find some. If it looks fine to you, just let it go.
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It does look fine!
I think you did very well in buying the 101... The only thing that can put people off is the thickness. But the back is fantastic...
goodintentions said:
I stay away from best buy like the plague.
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Ha, normally I do too. I mainly use BB to physically look at stuff I plan to buy and then buy elsewhere. But, I got a bunch of BB gift cards for my birthday and Christmas so I had to use them on something.
And with the 32GB being on sale this week at BB it was the best price around for a new unit anyway.
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I stay away from best buy like the plague.
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Smart man.
I picked up a used (mint) TF101 w/keyboard dock locally for $350. Tossed in a 16 gig card and I'm off to the races. Love it and my Prime was returned to Amazon immediately. Can't wait for ICS!
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ericshmerick said:
I picked up a used (mint) TF101 w/keyboard dock locally for $350. Tossed in a 16 gig card and I'm off to the races. Love it and my Prime was returned to Amazon immediately. Can't wait for ICS!
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Yea, I am definitely happy with the TF101. I just swapped mine out at Best Buy tonight and there is very minimal backlight bleeding on this new one and looks much better.
The wifi signal strength is like night and day compared to my Acer that it is replacing. I was tempted to get the Prime because of the specs, but it definitely has the same issue that my Acer does in terms of wifi strength so it isn't worth it for me because I want a unit that I don't have to worry about sitting on top of a router to connect to the internet.
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I stay away from best buy like the plague.
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I will now too considering their shady practice of adding extensions to the product code for items sold on black friday so they cannot be exchanged if defective with the non black friday equivalent..yeah, that right there is sum b...s....
i'm debating between the htc flyer and the n7, but my main concern with the n7 is all the issues that have been discussed and people having had to do 3 RMAs, etc. So is it still worth it?
I'm not sure what the defect rate of the current Nexus 7s are now, but as far as alternatives go, the HTC Flyer is completely outclassed with its single core processor. If you're considering alternatives, you should really look for something with a dual core processor, like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7".
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I'm not sure what the defect rate of the current Nexus 7s are now, but as far as alternatives go, the HTC Flyer is completely outclassed with its single core processor. If you're considering alternatives, you should really look for something with a dual core processor, like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7".
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well im looking to spend $250 or less, new or used. I'm not looking to compare the flyer and n7, as i already know it would be unfair. Not a fan of samsung tablets, and for the tablet i dont need the latest and greatest specs on it. I owned a nook color and was very happy with it, enjoyed my tf101 but the screen was a bit big for my tastes.
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well im looking to spend $250 or less, new or used. I'm not looking to compare the flyer and n7, as i already know it would be unfair. Not a fan of samsung tablets, and for the tablet i dont need the latest and greatest specs on it. I owned a nook color and was very happy with it, enjoyed my tf101 but the screen was a bit big for my tastes.
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If you liked the Nook Color, why not consider the Nook Tablet?
EDIT: I would also take people's complaints here about "defects" with a grain of salt. Yes, of course there are always going to be real manufacturing defects in a product line, but geeks tend to be more...particular than the average consumer. If you're really concerned about it go to a retail store and open it right there to make sure it's to your liking. At least that way too you can return the same day if needed.
Do it. Eventually you'll get a good one, hopefully on the first try.
You won't be dissapointed coming from those other devices. I'm still rather impressed having a transformer prime, just how well this thing does.
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If you liked the Nook Color, why not consider the Nook Tablet?
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That would be the wrong move. Sure it goes from a single to dual core processor. But your left with a tablet that is so locked down, and has practically no development. Vs. the color which was pretty cool in its day and has tons of mods. I was very dissapointed after I got a nook tab for my girlfriend.
There is a nook app, and a kindle app. There's no reason to have a nook or kindle after the release of the Nexus. IMO.
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If you liked the Nook Color, why not consider the Nook Tablet?
EDIT: I would also take people's complaints here about "defects" with a grain of salt. Yes, of course there are always going to be real manufacturing defects in a product line, but geeks tend to be more...particular than the average consumer. If you're really concerned about it go to a retail store and open it right there to make sure it's to your liking. At least that way too you can return the same day if needed.
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i kinda wanted something similar but with a front facing camera. yeah i guess i could go into a store
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Do it. Eventually you'll get a good one, hopefully on the first try.
You won't be dissapointed coming from those other devices. I'm still rather impressed having a transformer prime, just how well this thing does.
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yeah, im sure eventually i would get a good one but its (potentially) a lot of time/energy used.
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yeah, im sure eventually i would get a good one but its (potentially) a lot of time/energy used.
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I'll admit, I did get a replacement. But that replacement seems good so far. And from the play store, it wasn't really all that much of a hassle. If you can find it locally, it's even less hassle.
I just think in the 7" form factor, it would be silly to get anything else, if you don't like samsung. (me included)
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I'll admit, I did get a replacement. But that replacement seems good so far. And from the play store, it wasn't really all that much of a hassle. If you can find it locally, it's even less hassle.
I just think in the 7" form factor, it would be silly to get anything else, if you don't like samsung. (me included)
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i figured most people on xda have gotten at least 1 replacement, if not more, but thats good to hear the returns via the play store are relatively easy. i guess i'll have to compare final prices and see where i can get the best deal and think about it all.
received mine on monday, perfect condition. i cant complain about anything on the n7, even if i wanted too. for the price, nothing out there even comes close.
Coming from a single core 7 inch tablet, I can say that going with the Nexus 7 is the better choice.
The issues people have been having is due to their very meticulous nature.
Screen separation? There's a guide to fix that. You can send it to Asus to get it fixed, but you can spend 15 mins to fix it yourself.
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received mine on monday, perfect condition. i cant complain about anything on the n7, even if i wanted too. for the price, nothing out there even comes close.
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great to hear that, where did you buy from? I might buy from the google play store, cheapest price i can find without buying used.
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Coming from a single core 7 inch tablet, I can say that going with the Nexus 7 is the better choice.
The issues people have been having is due to their very meticulous nature.
Screen separation? There's a guide to fix that. You can send it to Asus to get it fixed, but you can spend 15 mins to fix it yourself.
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Well i happen to be one of those meticulous natured people, when i buy something i expect at the very least that it would be in the condition i paid money for. So once a few more people chime in i might just go ahead and buy from the play store, unless there's somewhere better/cheaper/faster. I checked local close by stores and they are all $250 not including tax yet...for comparison the play store total price is $231.85.
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great to hear that, where did you buy from? I might buy from the google play store, cheapest price i can find without buying used.
Well i happen to be one of those meticulous natured people, when i buy something i expect at the very least that it would be in the condition i paid money for. So once a few more people chime in i might just go ahead and buy from the play store, unless there's somewhere better/cheaper/faster. I checked local close by stores and they are all $250 not including tax yet...for comparison the play store total price is $231.85.
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from google play, 16gb version.
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well im looking to spend $250 or less, new or used. I'm not looking to compare the flyer and n7, as i already know it would be unfair. Not a fan of samsung tablets, and for the tablet i dont need the latest and greatest specs on it. I owned a nook color and was very happy with it, enjoyed my tf101 but the screen was a bit big for my tastes.
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I think I read somewhere that the Galaxy Tab 2 7" is on sale this week at Walmart for $250 with a $50 gc, which brings the net price down to $200 if you want to count the gc as cash. Any reason why you don't like Samsung tablets? You can always load a custom rom if you don't like Touchwiz (which I don't).
i had an HTC Evo View 4G (Sprint's version of the HTC Flyer). My thoughts...
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i'm debating between the htc flyer and the n7, but my main concern with the n7 is all the issues that have been discussed and people having had to do 3 RMAs, etc. So is it still worth it?
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As the title states, I had the Sprint version of the HTC Flyer, and I liked it a lot. It was relatively snappy, running Honeycomb 3.2, and I had 32GB onboard and a 32GB microSD card in it, so I could carry around a fair amount of music and movies for airplane rides, etc.
I ended up leaving it on an airplane, and I was dejected for a full week before I decided to pre-order the Nexus 7. I got it through MacMall and it has been pretty solid so far. Very slight raised screen on the left side, but literally 1mm tops, and not noticeable. It's not spongy, but it does give if you press hard on the screen (which I never do). As for Jelly Bean 4.1, it is hands down superior to Honeycomb in every way shape and form, and you can definitely tell the difference in responsiveness with the N7. Loading apps like Netflix, Pulse, Kindle, etc. is at least five times faster on the N7 vs. the HTC, and it should be. Also, I paid $230 for the HTC when it was on sale last year, and while I don't regret that amount paid for it, the $249 (no tax + free shipping) for the N7 is a great deal, assuming you get one in good shape.
I would recommend buying from a local retail store so you can exchange and exchange until you get a good unit. It seems like there are a lot of faulty ones out there, but then again, this is a forum where people are going to go to gripe about their issues, not bask in the glory of their perfectly functioning devices.
Nexus 7, without a doubt.
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I think I read somewhere that the Galaxy Tab 2 7" is on sale this week at Walmart for $250 with a $50 gc, which brings the net price down to $200 if you want to count the gc as cash. Any reason why you don't like Samsung tablets? You can always load a custom rom if you don't like Touchwiz (which I don't).
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I'm just not a fan of Samsung stuff in general, I've tried their stuff and read reviews and there is always some issue that has didn't play in their favor, ie: looks, cost, etc...As my signature says I'm an HTC and ASUS fanboy, I guess part of it is I just like the underdogs, like how I like AMD instead of Intel.
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As the title states, I had the Sprint version of the HTC Flyer, and I liked it a lot. It was relatively snappy, running Honeycomb 3.2, and I had 32GB onboard and a 32GB microSD card in it, so I could carry around a fair amount of music and movies for airplane rides, etc.
I ended up leaving it on an airplane, and I was dejected for a full week before I decided to pre-order the Nexus 7. I got it through MacMall and it has been pretty solid so far. Very slight raised screen on the left side, but literally 1mm tops, and not noticeable. It's not spongy, but it does give if you press hard on the screen (which I never do). As for Jelly Bean 4.1, it is hands down superior to Honeycomb in every way shape and form, and you can definitely tell the difference in responsiveness with the N7. Loading apps like Netflix, Pulse, Kindle, etc. is at least five times faster on the N7 vs. the HTC, and it should be. Also, I paid $230 for the HTC when it was on sale last year, and while I don't regret that amount paid for it, the $249 (no tax + free shipping) for the N7 is a great deal, assuming you get one in good shape.
I would recommend buying from a local retail store so you can exchange and exchange until you get a good unit. It seems like there are a lot of faulty ones out there, but then again, this is a forum where people are going to go to gripe about their issues, not bask in the glory of their perfectly functioning devices.
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Thanks, for the detailed review/personal anecdote. I will wait a bit before buying since it can only get cheaper as time goes on (i hope).
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Nexus 7, without a doubt.
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duely noted.
I haven't had a single defect on my tablet. Its beautiful, fast, and priced to change the game. I would not hesitate to buy this tablet, unless you have severe OCD, then I probably wouldn't buy any tablet or electronic device, as you will certainly find something to bother you if you look hard enough.
I also owned the HTC EVO View 4G (HTC Flyer) and sold it before buying the N7. It is lighter, slimmer, faster, better screen, and just all around better.
Don't get the Flyer unless you can get it for $100.
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I haven't had a single defect on my tablet. Its beautiful, fast, and priced to change the game. I would not hesitate to buy this tablet, unless you have severe OCD, then I probably wouldn't buy any tablet or electronic device, as you will certainly find something to bother you if you look hard enough.
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nice, good to hear and bet you were happy when you got it!
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I also owned the HTC EVO View 4G (HTC Flyer) and sold it before buying the N7. It is lighter, slimmer, faster, better screen, and just all around better.
Don't get the Flyer unless you can get it for $100.
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thanks for the input, i'll take this into consideration.