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One GREAT WAY to speed HD2 PERFORMANCE

I created videos showing the dramatic difference (before vs. after) but then realized this site does not allow me to upload videos (and I am too lazy to set up a utube account).
The 16GB Micro SDHC card that comes with the T-Mobile HTC HD2 is only Class 2 and is a very SLOOOOOWWW card (also class 2 cards are CHEAP, that is why it is INCLUDED FREE). If you watch the Transformer movies installed on that card you will discover there are a few times during the movies where the screen momentarily freezes. Also if you have alot of songs on the card, when you scroll over to the media player you will see it takes forever for the media player tab (about 45 seconds) to display anything. Even a game that comes with the unit repeatedly freezes and is not playable because of the speed of the card - under games, try the game called "Ferrari GT Evolution". It is a great game but it is unplayable on that card.
I purchased a 16GB Class 6 Micro SDHC Card and it came today. I copied everything from the old card to the new card. WOW, WHAT A DIFFERENCE! It is about $60 but is makes a VERY big difference in performance for everything mentioned above. For instance, the Ferrari game mentioned above does not freeze at all (and loads much faster) and also when I scroll over to the media play tab the delay before that tab becomes useable is only about 3 seconds.
If you want a SAFE great way to really improve the performance of your unit, replace the old crappy Class 2 Micro SDHC card with a Class 6 version. WOW.
(BTW, my main reason for getting this card was also that it took too long to take a photo and then to be able to take another one immediately afterwards. Now that is MUCH faster as well. A workaround would be to not use the card for picture storage but I prefer to put them on the card.)

I have been using a 4GB class 6 card I had laying around and I have seen a difference as well. I copied all the data from the 16GB card to my computer then copied it to the 4GB card to start out with. I saw a big improvement in the momentary freezes that occur when navigating the UI, music indexing and video playback. After using that card for a couple weeks I copied everything back to the 16GB card after formatting it and popped it back in to see if it was a placebo effect. Things were noticeably different, it just felt more sluggish at times. The Class 2 card isn't bad and it isn't the whole problem but getting a better card does change things a bit.
I did pick up a couple 8GB class 6 Sandisk cards for about $10 not to long ago for my camera. The 16GB and 32GB cards aren't as economical yet. The improvement is worth $10-$20 dollars to me but not $60.

how can i tell if my other card is a class 4 or not

sherlockpwnz said:
how can i tell if my other card is a class 4 or not
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It'll be printed right on the front of the card...a little number inside of a circle. If you dont see one there, odds are it's a class-2

Panasonic makes a Class 10...that's what I use lolol...
~Jasecloud4

Class 6 vs 2 Photo... (Micro SDHC Card)
There is no such thing as a Class 10
Look at the photo (CLICK ON THE PHOTO TO ENLARGE IT AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE) FOR THE Speed Class Designation. I guess the standard spec does not say which way is right-side up for printed labels!
Class 6 is the highest speed currently. There are 32GB cards out there (which the unit can support) but they are VERY expensive. The Class 6 card I bought was somehyting like $60 with the shipping from Newegg.com.
Also notice that it is such a damned nightmare to be able to read these ever so tinier labels on everything out there! (Or maybe it's also because of my age.)
It is true, also, that those without the class specification are much older - and slower, I guess they should all be lumped in presumably with class 2

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There is no such thing as a Class 10
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You might want to have a look at THIS and THIS...class-10 16GB cards do exist and are currently available. Jase doesn't usually just make crap up either

Wow Class 10 - !
Sorry, my bad, I guess there is Class 10 now! YIKES! My apologies

PWND!
sweet I didin't know there were class 10 either.
Guess I am going to pick one up soon.

scrizz said:
PWND!
sweet I didin't know there were class 10 either.
Guess I am going to pick one up soon.
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No one is pwning anyone.
Just merely stating the fact.

$100...Hope they become cheaper!

thanks for this thread... i totally didn't realize there were speed diffs on microSD cards.
so a few questions then:
1. the new 32GB sandisk microSD is only class 2... i assume no other manufactures are out yet, especially with a class 6 or 10. this is the very end of the SDHC standard. the next upgrade will be all SDXCs.
2. will a class10 be better than a class 6? i always thought that there are spec. limitations to SD card readers itself. does anyone know what the max limit of the HD2 SD card reader is? class 6 or 10? because if it's class 6, then buying a class 10 would be useless.
i remember that older SD card readers can't read the SDHCs.

JediFonger said:
thanks for this thread... i totally didn't realize there were speed diffs on microSD cards.
so a few questions then:
1. the new 32GB sandisk microSD is only class 2... i assume no other manufactures are out yet, especially with a class 6 or 10. this is the very end of the SDHC standard. the next upgrade will be all SDXCs.
2. will a class10 be better than a class 6? i always thought that there are spec. limitations to SD card readers itself. does anyone know what the max limit of the HD2 SD card reader is? class 6 or 10? because if it's class 6, then buying a class 10 would be useless.
i remember that older SD card readers can't read the SDHCs.
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1. I haven't seen any class 6 32gig cards but there will be some eventually.
2. Technically class 10 is faster than class 6 but unless you run everything off your sdcard and have a ton of music/video I doubt it would be worth it. If you were going to be using a 32gig card then a class 10 would probably be worth it, though I don't know if the HD2 supports that speed.

sirphunkee said:
You might want to have a look at THIS and THIS...class-10 16GB cards do exist and are currently available. Jase doesn't usually just make crap up either
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Thanks for the "usual" lolol...
To be honest I've got the class 10 Panasonic, and a class 6 Kingston, (both 16gb [32gb models are ridiculously expensive]) and when you run them side-by-side in a phone, there really isn't a difference in everyday use that I can tell. Class 6 is plenty fast for a phone. But there's always people like me in the world who aren't afraid to fork over the extra money to see if the latest tech will get me a little extra speed.
For those on the ropes as to what to get: if your just listening to music, Class 2 is good; for video, class 4 is good; if your non-stop music and video all day everyday work and play, and have some extra cash Class 6 rocks.
For all of you nut jobs like me who care about the extra microseconds of speed, lolololol, and have the money to spend...get the Class 10...
~Jasecloud4

the first thing i did for my hd2 was upgrade to a class 6 from previous experience with rooted android handsets (where upgrade to class 6 is always recommended

would a class 10 or a class 6 improve battery life?

Thanks for the thread and the informative posts, I guess I will make sure to get at least a class 6 for my media heavy device.

Also, if I were to buy one, which companies are reliable? Or are they all pretty much the same? I've only heard of SanDisk and Kingston because I've met the co owner of Kingston and he gave me some free stuff before.

jas0nw0ng said:
Also, if I were to buy one, which companies are reliable? Or are they all pretty much the same? I've only heard of SanDisk and Kingston because I've met the co owner of Kingston and he gave me some free stuff before.
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I would just stick with sandisk or kingston anyway, they're both as reliable as any, and usually priced right along the lesser-known maufacturers.

So for anyone who has used both a class 6 and class 10 card IN THE HD2, is there a speed difference? I have a paypal coupon code that is good for 25% off, and am eyeing some of the class 10 kingston cards on ebay which would come out to about $74 with this coupon code. Not very much more than a class 6, course i could just use the coupon code for a class 6 off ebay too. I would like to go the 32gb route, but seems everything 32gb is class 2 =(

microSD 32Gb class 6 and Galaxy S

I am thinking about purchasing a 32Gb microSD for use with my galaxy S.
My concern is that, is this too large? Are there any bad side effect like it being too slow to display picture/start up scann/run applications?

Which brand? That's probably more important for the speed than class (a class 2 Sandisk is often as fast or faster than a class 6 from a lesser brand).
The capacity of the card shouldn't affect the speed during most situations. However the phone does scan for media each time it is turned on or after disconnecting from USB connection (Kies or mass storage), the amount of time this takes depends on:
-the amount of media stored on the card and
-(probably) the read speed of the card.
Note that class rating is minimum write speed - so it's not a great indicator of real-life performance.
Also note that some too-cheap-to-be-true cards are actually smaller capacity cards that report larger capacities to fool the customer.
BTW where are you getting the card from (I want one as well ).

Hi flamingpitofhell,
I am looking at Sandisk as well and most likely get it from their online store. I am trying to find more information whether it is worth the trouble.

I don't think Sandisk sell class 6 cards (yet). Buying from their online store's also more expensive than online retailers (I can get one in Australia for AUD155, which is ~USD137, cf their RRP of USD200).

thanks for the pointer. will look around for local stores here in Thailand.
Which city in Australia are you in? I studied in Perth more than a decaded back.

I'm in glorious Melbourne mate, haven't been to Perth yet

the only LEGIT 32GB Sandisk available right now in the market is only Class 2
if you read anything else, it is FAKE, specially from eBay
wait until the other microSD manufactures start pushing out 32GB on class 4 or class 6 before buying.
i'm using 2x 16GB Class 6 until the 32GB class 6 becomes available.

I'm using Class 2 32GB card in mine, its fine.
Its slower when you're transferring to the card from your PC, but for most people thats only particularly problematic the first time (loading music collection), after that you'll not really notice a difference in the phone (the read speeds are basically the same, and the phone can neither read nor write to the card faster than a Class 2 card can cope with). You can see it in the benchmarks taken post-mimocans fix - Class 2 cards are no slower than any other Class within the phone.
Grab one now and be happy.

NZtechfreak said:
I'm using Class 2 32GB card in mine, its fine.
Grab one now and be happy.
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Where did you get yours from and how much for. I`m interested in getting one myself.
Thanks

my local stores already carry the real Sandisk 32GB class 2
too slow for my taste, i like to run Apps from the SD card, also use it as a SWAP partidion to prevent the LAG problem people complains about, it's a very easy fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251

i wonder what would be better a 16gb class 6 or 32gb class 2...
is it worth sacrifising double of the memory for the speed?

onbacardi said:
i wonder what would be better a 16gb class 6 or 32gb class 2...
is it worth sacrifising double of the memory for the speed?
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it depends what you are trying to do
if it's just to listen to mp3, then Class 2 is fine
if you want to run games, software, watch movies, use it for SWAP drive to have no lag, then minimum a Class 6

Class ratings don't really seem to have too much of an effect on real world performance: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1468705. Just discount the last result from the SGS (it's most likely mistaken for the internal SD).

i rather trust my experience coming from PalmOS + WinMb where real life situations using a class 4 or slower cards, made a huge word of difference when launching applications from SD and watching movies from SD
funny enough the numbers reported on that topic shows SGS i9000 to have the fastest speed even using the same card that got lower speed on the other phones.
which seems to point out it's directly proportional to the CPU speed, and the multitasking software running in the back end.
however as you see on those test itself, there are speed differences between class 2, class 4 and class 6
the same class # can not be compared to another class # of a different size,
if you imagine a hard drive, the bigger the hard drive the more layers/disk area it has to read, the same is true even for static SD cards.
however as pointed on those test Transcend usually has the fastest SD cards in the market, that's why i always buy that brand for performance, using a 16GB Transcend myself, waiting for the 32 GB class 6+ to come out
Adata has 2 lines, the performance line, and the standard line
if you want speed get the performance SD cards
Kingston and Sandisk are mostly standard speed, they don't release much performance level SD cards anymore, but they do have lots of those on USB sticks.

I tried my Brothers Sandisk Class 2 32GB and it worked perfectly.
Granted it's not as fast as my Sandisk Mobile Ultra Class 4 but that card flies anyway.
Certainly for recording your large movie files taken with the camera it's no different in speed than using the built in SDCard on the phone.

I have no problems watching 720P video on my phone. I have no problems launching applications either.
So much misinformation...

of course there is no problem, the issue here is getting the top performance, any SD card will work just fine.
it's just a matter of how fast/slow are you able to torelate

The only time you will notice any difference in speed is when transferring data to and from the card.
However, when you have double the space of other cards to consider speed should not be a deciding factor.
I'm already looking to get the Sandisk Class 2 32GB card. It will store all of my work files normally kept on my Laptop.
My Sandisk Class 4 Mobile Ultra 16GB will be my spare ~ should the larger card fail...

Thanks for the information s everyone.
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I have the 32GB sandisk card and works perfect. I have a 720p mkv file and my music on there. Playback was superb for the video with no noticeable lag. Mind you the card isn't anywhere near full yet. From my limited knowledge of sd cards, they put data on the fastest part first so the fuller it gets the slower the card is likely to get..
My plan is to put movies and songs on the 32GB file and reserve the internal 13GB for capturing video and taking pictures on the phone.

Choppy hd video w stock micro sd

I'm waiting for my 16gb to arrive but I'm wondering if the chippy video is due to the included memory card.
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just got my new 16gb class 4 card and the video steal seems to be a problem. when moving the camera, the video will be smooth, then pause for a split second and continue w/smooth recording again, then the video will pause for a second again and so on. anyone having this issue while recording in hd?

markjnj said:
just got my new 16gb class 4 card and the video steal seems to be a problem. when moving the camera, the video will be smooth, then pause for a split second and continue w/smooth recording again, then the video will pause for a second again and so on. anyone having this issue while recording in hd?
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Bumping this thread because both my wife and I have the same problem with hesitations in video. She's stock; I have a 16gb class 4, stock rom, and faux's latest kernel.
Anyone else have or solve this problem?

I also have this problem. I was wondering if it was the sd card. I have this isssue with all sense ROMs. I even unrooted and flashed PD15IMG to get back to "as new" and reformatted sd card. The hesitation was still there. I haven't always had this problem with HD videos... I have a few videos recorded a while ago that are perfect or have one spot where it skips. I have contacted Tmobile about the issue because I have the insurance. The technician wanted to do some research on the issue and get back to me within 72 hours... which should be tomorrow (3-15-11). He said he wanted to see if there was a solution he didn't know of before they replace the phone. I'll let you know what happens.

T-mobile told me it was my sd card. I bought a class 10 and still had the problem. I called them back and asked for a replacement phone. My replacement should be here tomorrow.
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roush97 said:
T-mobile told me it was my SIM card. I bought a class 10 and still had the problem. I called them back and asked for a replacement. My replacement should be here tomorrow.
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Seems unlikely, but keep us posted...
I read that rebooting right before creating a video helps, and I've also played around a little with overclocking the cpu before making a vid. Seems like these have helped on mine, but haven't had a chance to really test it out thoroughly.

I did get good 720p recording a day or two ago. It was a 40 second video with no choppiness. It's the first good video I had in a long time. I was running the RoyalGlacier 1.2 ROM. Team Royal makes great ROMs, especially coupled with faux123's kernels.

Here's some info that might be helpful to someone. I'd been having problems with choppy video, and was using a 16gb Patriot class 4 card. It turns out that this card was at least part of the problem. It's not a 'counterfeit' and was bought through a reputable retailer, and it passed the the 'h2testw' program in terms of overall capacity. BUT, the test showed that the write speed was actually a bit slower than the 8gb card that came with the phone (the read speed on the 16gb was a bit higher than the 8gb card, but I imagine this doesn't matter in recording vids much).
So I'm back to using the 8gb card that came with the phone. This fixes 90% of the choppiness issue that I've been experiencing the past couple months (got the new card in January). Btw, I did try reformatting the card, etc. I'm now going to look at buying another 16gb or 32gb card, but will be staying away from the Patriot brand and also trying to get one that is class 6 or higher.

I have class 2, 4, 6, and 10 cards. Only my class 10 patriot 8gb micro sd card seemed to work. Honestly a class 4 card should be fine for 720p recordings...but something's up with the software.

nodrogkam said:
I have class 2, 4, 6, and 10 cards. Only my class 10 patriot 8gb micro sd card seemed to work. Honestly a class 4 card should be fine for 720p recordings...but something's up with the software.
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It may be that something in the software keeps it from writing efficiently, but definitely weird that the 16gb class 4 patriot tested out with a lower write speed than the 8gb one that came with the phone...and that's the only thing that seemed different with that card that would explain why I was getting so much more stuttering on my vids.

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It may be that something in the software keeps it from writing efficiently, but definitely weird that the 16gb class 4 patriot tested out with a lower write speed than the 8gb one that came with the phone...and that's the only thing that seemed different with that card that would explain why I was getting so much more stuttering on my vids.
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what class is the 8gb card that came with your phone? some came with class 2 and some with class 4.
it's commonly known in the storage/memory world that the larger the card size the slower the write (and often read) speeds will be. Granted when an SD card is certified to be a certain class it should meet the standards of that class. That being said, how a card is formatted, handled, and ejected or not ejected properly affects the performance of the card.
in my years of experience buy the size of the card that you need to use...getting a card 2x than your storage needs maybe thinking ahead but if speed is what you want, smaller is better and of course the higher class the better.
I got my 8gb class10 patriot from amazon for $25 flat and have no complaints. SD card tester programs tell me the card is writing data at about 10mb/sec which is what it should be doing.
good luck with your video issues, and hopefully a future update will rectify the situation so that even class 2 can handle the recording and playback of recorded videos on the device.

nodrogkam said:
what class is the 8gb card that came with your phone? some came with class 2 and some with class 4.
it's commonly known in the storage/memory world that the larger the card size the slower the write (and often read) speeds will be. Granted when an SD card is certified to be a certain class it should meet the standards of that class. That being said, how a card is formatted, handled, and ejected or not ejected properly affects the performance of the card.
in my years of experience buy the size of the card that you need to use...getting a card 2x than your storage needs maybe thinking ahead but if speed is what you want, smaller is better and of course the higher class the better.
I got my 8gb class10 patriot from amazon for $25 flat and have no complaints. SD card tester programs tell me the card is writing data at about 10mb/sec which is what it should be doing.
good luck with your video issues, and hopefully a future update will rectify the situation so that even class 2 can handle the recording and playback of recorded videos on the device.
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The card that came with the phone is a class 2, and the test showed it was writing at above 5MBps, while the 16gb Patriot class 4 was just above 4MBps.
In terms of creating videos on each card, I tested them each immediately after a full format and with a somewhat controlled view of the same scene. Thus, the only variable that would seem to be able to account for the poor performance using the 16gb card seems to be the card itself, and, my guess is more specifically, the write speed.
Perhaps slightly over 4MBps is just below the threshold for what is required for a stutter-free video, and perhaps some variability in the cards that shipped with the phones accounts for why some people are reporting hesitations in their videos while others are not.

netter123 said:
The card that came with the phone is a class 2, and the test showed it was writing at above 5MBps, while the 16gb Patriot class 4 was just above 4MBps.
In terms of creating videos on each card, I tested them each immediately after a full format and with a somewhat controlled view of the same scene. Thus, the only variable that would seem to be able to account for the poor performance using the 16gb card seems to be the card itself, and, my guess is more specifically, the write speed.
Perhaps slightly over 4MBps is just below the threshold for what is required for a stutter-free video, and perhaps some variability in the cards that shipped with the phones accounts for why some people are reporting hesitations in their videos while others are not.
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that's probably a good evaluation of the situation. i never did test my 4gb class 6 card, but i do know it transfered the contents of my music folder significantly faster than the 8gb class2 card that came with the device. Yet that card was still not enough for stutter free 720p recording. I can only assume its speeds were <10mb/sec. So the sweet spot is probably 6mb/sec.+
thinking bigger picture, there's a serious QC issue if some people with the same cards have issues while others don't. though i question if some people think that they're recording 720 by default and never bothered to check the video settings to begin with (default is 480p). therefore some people think they have no problems, but it's only because they're recording in 480p (which is still clear, especially on screen).

i had a few minutes. ran a test on 3 cards
1. 8gb class2 - stock card - ~4mb write
2. 4gb class6 - ~6mb write
3. 8gb class10 - ~10mb write
So as i stated before, for my phone, i need more than 6mb/sec + card for stable 720p video recording.

I haven't checked this thread in a while, but I just got a replacement mt4g w/the good screen and thought maybe it'd improve, but hd video recording is still freezing up every so often. so I've just resorted to taking video in widescreen. hopefully someone figures something out. I'm running faux kernel, stock rom.

So I was reading this thread and remembered a thread I read yesterday in the android apps and development forum. Apparently we are governed by how fast our SD Cards are read, but you can change it. Anyway, if someone wants to try the fix out (seems simple) I think it would be a good place to start. If it ends up working out make sure to let us know which method you used.
Link to the thread..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010807

just flashed 2048 on my mt4g. tested a few short clips which seemed to have improved. The 2nd clip there were only a few very slight pauses on video recording. This was off of a fresh reboot though, so I will continue to test through out the day as I use my phone more.
Update: The flash didn't seem to stick. as suggested by some others on the thread I'm now using/testing sd speed boost. Settings seem to stick, and so far there hasn't been any choppiness in recording hd. will continue testing and let you know.
Update: Doesn't help...still happens.

im on cmrc4, using the same sd card that came with the phone it is recording fine

could you try this out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1025512

just made the changes. video -15000000 and audio -96000. Let me do a few tests.

Is it real or placebo? Would using faster SD card improve phone performance?

I just got an "advertised " centon class 6 card. It seems a little quicker. I can't tell. Anyone can shed some light on this?
Maybe because the card is empty and doesn't have thousands of files on it, like my previous one does, might have something to do with something.

using a faster card will impact the performance slightly. Any time the phone has to go to the SD card to read something (opening apps, pics, videos, etc.), the faster it can read it, the faster it performs.
Is it necessarily noticeable? Probably not.

not a placebo at all, If you had let's say a Class 2 or class 4 sd card and you get a class 6 you can tell the difference.
I changed the stock card for a class 6 and I can tell the diffence as when you view pictures or play music.

For recording and watching video and copying data would benefit from a faster card. With video, you can get studdering if the card can't send and receive data fast enough to keep up with higher bitrates. If you have a card that reads two meg a second and a video that plays at almost four, the card would probably be the bottleneck.

On my old phone (moto backflip). Using aps2sd and swap on the sd card I noticed a difference. I went from the stock card to an 8gb class 6 and then to a 16gb class 10 and noticed a difference each time.
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Nitro3a said:
On my old phone (moto backflip). Using aps2sd and swap on the sd card I noticed a difference. I went from the stock card to an 8gb class 6 and then to a 16gb class 10 and noticed a difference each time.
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Glad to hear this as I just ordered a 16GB class 10 Patriot card from amazon, was only 35.99 Beats the hell out of my current 4GB class 4

The class of a card is based on write speeds. It could still have bad access speeds which wouldn't do anything to help performance. Random access speed is the spec you care about for stuff other than taking pictures or video. I would look up tests people have done on the card before buying and get one with fast random access speed. There is no easy way to know other than benchmarks people have done. For example I have a 2gb class 2 card that works with a few emulated games(castlevania por in particular) that even a class 6 gives problems. Also it only matters when you are accessing your SD card of course.

I haven't noticed any increase in performance with a faster sd card. The only thing I noticed is a lot better is HD video recording. It can now record HD video without stuttering like before.

Tips to improve camera/camcorder performance.

I) Change the SD card.
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Although Dell's stupid camcorder settings probably should not overload the class 4 card that comes with the phone for the most part, a 720p video I recorded using my Class 10 card has a bitrate of roughly 6MB/S, which is higher than the 4mb/s a class 4 card is supposed to be able to transfer. I changed to a 32GB Sandisk Mobile Ultra Class 10 and there is a noticeable difference in the smoothness of the video recorded. Some lag is still present(In reality the phone records at 23 fps as opposed to the 25fps Dell says it should), but for the most part the video is now acceptable. Maybe a placebo effect, but photos seem to be captured slightly faster.
II)Settings in the Camera.
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This makes a HUGE difference in the viewfinder, where it's silky smooth one second and laggy as hell the next. Turn auto-banding on,change the scene mode to sports or something,and if you want change the white balance from automatic to something else.
More tips to be added as I discover them

Great tips! Especially your second point.
Thanks for the info!

Theres a lot of discrepancy as far as choosing the class of memory card for the dvp. Some users say stick with class 4 because its more likely to be accepted with the dvp, some say get class 6 or class 10 due to higher speed. However, is getting a higher class card riskier? I have read online that the phone may get bricked if you use an incompatible card and it is safer to use a class 4... is this true or is getting a class 10 card okay?

My personal experience is that there is no problem with a SANDISK card.(maybe other popular brands too, but Sandisk announced something about Windows phone compatibility, and the stock card is Sandisk too, so it's the best bet)Maybe if you use some cheap-ass no brand card then it won't get recognized, but I don't think you'd entrust your phone and all your valuable information on those. Seriously, get the class 10, it makes a lot of difference in performance and usability.

I got a Transcend working

yeungl said:
I got a Transcend working
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Transcend isn't a "cheap-ass no brand card" but thanks for the info. The thanks button doesn't work for some reason...

SunnyChrono6 said:
Transcend isn't a "cheap-ass no brand card" but thanks for the info. The thanks button doesn't work for some reason...
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Who said it is a cheap-ass no brand card?
The good thing is, it has life time warranty