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Trinity is a fine device as far as a Pocket PC based on a Shaky MS Windows OS can be. You cannot criticize it so much on speed or most of the function it carries (After all, it is not a Laptop). But there are some serious flaws with it which one cannot ignore, I paid £360=$750 for mine which makes it quite an expensive PPC, therefore making these flaws worse than usual:
1- BLUE for BLUETOOTH
Considering the fact that one of its main usages is for listening to music and that it would be nice to be able to use a BT Headset to do that, the fact that the crappy BT on Trinity is very unreliable and does not work in many instances, would be a great disadvantage on this. I bought a Sony DR-BT10CX Bluetooth Stereo Headset for £30 and I was very disappointed to see that it is not working (Works as a Hands-Free But not a Wireless Headset). Since I managed to somehow make it work twice (though I have gone through the steps for 3 days now to no avail), I would conclude that this is not the BT Headset's Fault (So, I cannot return it), nor the Trinity's Hardware is faulty, but a stupid Software Glitch. By The Way – I would appreciate it if anyone can suggest a solution
2- PAIN of PAINT
The mere fact that over 90% of the people say that the pain is Peeling Off, is just painful. What kind of a stupid flaw is that? A device so sophisticated and complicated and they manage to mess it up over a simple painting process.
Also, I have tried to use Skype, but as soon as I try to call someone, it just shuts down the Skype. I believe that I am not the first person to have had such a problem. However, software conflicts are unfortunately quite normal when it comes to PPCs. I can live with that. But the PAINT & BLUETOOTH just bug me so much.
Anyway, when you pay a heck-load of money for something, you expect better in the basics. I just hope HTC solves these in the near future. For starters, I would say, work the damn BT problem, then even if you are going to use the stupid unreliable plastic casing, just do a better job with the painting. It is not rocket-science.
hi there, I don't know that much about the bluetooth problems, but I can confirm that I didn't get my hama-blurtooth dongle to do a sync via BT with my trinity either. But the usb-ActiveSync works fine (if I shut down the firewall for a while...) and is faster anyway!
concerning skype: what version did you try? the latest 2.2 for windows mobile didn't work on my device either. But the skype for mobile 2.1 version runs fine incl. telephone function. The video-call won't work on the trinity anyway - too much resources needed by skype at this time... but chatting or talking is fine, too.
PS: I have a vodafone vpa compact gps with the standard WM5 rom still on it. Didn't need the WM6 yet..
Cheers, S.
siavash.babaei said:
Trinity is a fine device as far as a Pocket PC based on a Shaky MS Windows OS can be.
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You hit the nail. It's based on that Shaky M$ whatever. As a corollary, other MS based devices also suffer most of your problems inevitably. Perhaps it's time for you to switch to iphone
siavash.babaei said:
1- BLUE for BLUETOOTH
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It's quite well known that BT headphones especially those stereo ones are quite picky on the phone combinations. I heard that even on nokia and se compatibility is still a problem. Not to mention that crappy MS BT stack on almost *ALL* HTC WM5/6 phones. Try do some research before buying - there's no direct indication that an expensive headset would automagically work on your trinity, and vice versa.
siavash.babaei said:
2- PAIN of PAINT
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That's HTC stupid problem, I agree.
siavash.babaei said:
Also, I have tried to use Skype, but as soon as I try to call someone, it just shuts down the Skype.
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Skype for Samsung CPU is still in beta. That means it may or may not work. I don't think Trinity users are alone on this one. Probably you should complain to Skype instead.
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Actually, I gave it a serious though - Getting an IPod - the thing is that I really needed the GPS function, and I didn't see IPhone offering that. Besides that, I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
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hi there, I don't know that much about the bluetooth problems, but I can confirm that I didn't get my hama-blurtooth dongle to do a sync via BT with my trinity either. But the usb-ActiveSync works fine (if I shut down the firewall for a while...) and is faster anyway!
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I had a similar issue with the toshiba bluetooth built into my laptop. I needed to change a key in the laptop registry and then instead of serial port, the phone saw it as activesync on the bluetooth settings.
Then it worked for activesync.
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Actually, I gave it a serious though - Getting an IPod - the thing is that I really needed the GPS function, and I didn't see IPhone offering that. Besides that, I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
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Of course you will have to use wired headphones driving car, because of the crippled Bluetooth in the iPhone. You can only play games, that Steve allows you to play. You want to receive MMS... no chance. Record a video ... forget about it.
Technology-Wise its an outdated gadget... but the design and the gui are smart....
you guys REALLY think iphone is an alternative?????
- you can't use memory cards
- you can't change the battery (jesus christ)
- only apple (will) make software
- GPS ... hahah
- no available software at all
- and many other things... i wonder if you can just upload an mp3 and play it, maybe you have to use itunes to buy it. I indeed wonder if you can upload "anything" into the phone
iphone is a cute expensive phone, nothing more than that. maybe 10 years ago i would be impressed. not now.
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you guys REALLY think iphone is an alternative?????
- you can't use memory cards
- you can't change the battery (jesus christ)
- only apple (will) make software
- GPS ... hahah
- no available software at all
- and many other things... i wonder if you can just upload an mp3 and play it, maybe you have to use itunes to buy it. I indeed wonder if you can upload "anything" into the phone
iphone is a cute expensive phone, nothing more than that. maybe 10 years ago i would be impressed. not now.
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iPhone is well iPhone. I do agree on the flaws. But its just a simple phone that gets to the point. Same goes for MacOS X , a simple system that just works. Common , we all admit that if you install 50000 tons of software inside your PPC , it makes it unstable etc....But I still can't understand why people still love to skin their PPCs to be an iPhone Clone. I still dont understand that part
PPC is well PPC Phone and iPhone is well iPhones. PPC is out there for soo many years and iPhone is new to the market. I am not against PPC nor defending Apple
I would just like to point that out
I loved the Trinity and I wish I still had it.
I beat the hell out of that phone and not a speck of paint ever came off mine.
I am thinking of getting the P3600i or the Polaris, thats how much I miss it.
Can't believe people would cry over the paint peeling THAT much... It's just right at the bottom right? Somewhere that can't be seen like 99% of the time... (it's like crying over a pimple where the sun don't shine )
I don't know what's wrong with the bluetooth, but using the SE HBH-DS970, I really can't see what the problem is? I admit it does require abit of tweaking to get the sound to go perfect, but that's a matter of minutes, once off.
To compare the device with iPhone or even an iPod (wtf?!) is... simply an insult... (for the reasons listed by above posters)
You really gotta read these forums more coz I'm sensing you haven't even scratched the potential of this phone...
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Can't believe people would cry over the paint peeling THAT much... It's just right at the bottom right? Somewhere that can't be seen like 99% of the time... (it's like crying over a pimple where the sun don't shine )
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Not complaining about my Trinity, it is doing all i require of it, but the paint peeling off is not just restricted to one part, its all of the anodised bit. i am loosing balck across the bottom and up both sides, near the buttons. Lay mine on the desk and the bottom edge looks decidedly scruffy and that's on a device thats less than four months old. Given its retail value it really should last longer before looking scruffy around the edges.
Don't compare a locked hypy Iphone to a customizable and complete PPC
I agree that comparing Trinity to the Hype-crap Iphone is an insult.
The Iphone lacks some essential functions as listed by above posters.
It's good looking, it's hypy, it's user-friendly, OK, but in terms of functionalities, and compatibility with softs, games etc. it's an old out-dated apple-locked phone.
Some one pointed out the fact that PPC users like to customize their device to make it look like an Iphone. Yep, so what?
Do you really think that means that those people dont want to enjoy their GPS, MMS, Video-recording, Tons of games and personalized softwares and tweaks anymore?
I don't think so, it's just that they think (like everybody) that the Iphone has a fresh-good-looking and hypy appearance... but unfortunately, only that.
So they take out what they like in it, and they can do so because, the PPC is easy to customize and modify ;-)
Do you know why Iphone users don't put a PPC like GPS, MMS service, video recording, all the games and softs they envy us on their device?
Because... they just CAN'T do it until Papa-Job decides to allow them to.
To conclude, about the paint-peeling issue, I believe this is a disapointing point on the Trinity and I sympathize with people suffering from that, but...
It doesn't seem to be a problem on the WHITE devices, only the black ones as I've heard. At least my white one doesn't have such a problem.
And since Apple fan-boys love the white color, I really don't see what could make them prefer the Iphone, except fidelity and obediance...
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Not complaining about my Trinity, it is doing all i require of it, but the paint peeling off is not just restricted to one part, its all of the anodised bit. i am loosing balck across the bottom and up both sides, near the buttons. Lay mine on the desk and the bottom edge looks decidedly scruffy and that's on a device thats less than four months old. Given its retail value it really should last longer before looking scruffy around the edges.
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Oh I see, I didn't understand it was that bad.... my top and sides aren't affected at all, it's only the bottom coz I keep putting it onto the cradle.
But I've only had my phone for about 3 months, no case no nothing.
It's alright, i can't imagine myself disliking the phone even if the paint's peeling like that.
the paint thing is plain stupid on a piece of kit like this. It starts as small specks falling off, now I'm in the same position as others- big chunks coming off all over the metal part. Looks very messy.
I'm tempted to peel the lot off so at least it's one colour (chrome).
I logged a call with Orange ages ago and no response.
This is the best device so far- all I can think is if you see those issues as showstoppers, you probably haven't worked out all you can do with it!
I don't want to send mine off for repair. Going a day without it would be hard, weeks impossible.
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...I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
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Money-wise?! You gotta be kiddin' me
I hate to see these threads disappear into iphone praising/bashing, but I'm going to join in.
WM is chronically flawed, and appears to be making zero progress in the right direction. I use it on my trinity, because thats the best solution for me, today.
The Trinity is a nice piece of hardware, appears well engineered and very well featured, WM6 is a dissapointment.
The iphone bashing revolves around a few points, video - I would be surprised if a soft update doesn't sort this in the next few months. MMS, yes it should be there, and will be in a few months. GPS, will be in the 2G model, the technology is still quite immature for mobile applications Apple will be looking for much quicker aquisitions, something not really cracked yet. Finally 3G, the reason its not there is beause it wouldn't fit. Apple designs products with the user in mind, not the technology. Probably 3 years ago they sketched out it should be this shape and work like this, today its possible as the current iphone.
Applications as treated on WM make sense in a desktop enviroment, they dont on a mobile phone. They should be web based apps executing in a protected enviroment a widget type interface will link them into the phone UI as needed. These apps should be about communication anyway not standlone installations.
I honestly find it remarkable the lack of vision as to where this technology is heading, and how its going to be taken to the masses. Think of a 'facebook' phone. The technology is going to start making its way towards the mainstream, its going to be traumatic for the networks as they awaken to the fact their role is simply to provide a gateway, their old fashioned revenue streams simply aren't feasible anymore, much as the landline telco's discovered a few years back. There will be a lot of wingeing from them.
WM died sometime ago, a few have failed to realise, I get the impression even Microsoft have worked this out.
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iPhone is well iPhone. I do agree on the flaws. But its just a simple phone that gets to the point. Same goes for MacOS X , a simple system that just works.
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About IPHONE... well yea... it's just a "simple $500 phone".
About MacOS I dont' agree about it being a simple OS. It is a really well built OS. I'm a windows user since Windows 2.0, I also work with Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris systems. Recently I bought a MacBook Pro to give it a try, as it is a well-built laptop. I have to say it really surprised me. The new MacOS is really a Unix system, a fancy linux. In fact, is a window manager over the FreeBSD unix. If you know Unix you can tweak the hell out of it. If you dont, well you can use MacOS as a dummy simple OS.
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Applications as treated on WM make sense in a desktop enviroment, they dont on a mobile phone. They should be web based apps executing in a protected enviroment a widget type interface will link them into the phone UI as needed. These apps should be about communication anyway not standlone installations.
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Dude, interesting post... Im working in the embedded market software (IPTV) for 6 years now, and I agree with some of your thoughts. About this one I quote, I dont neccessarily agree you need web-based apps, because of the overhead and memory footprint of a web platform. I think the best architecture is also split in two layers, I accept the widget-type interface, but with communication with a native, frontendless module.
Apple did not invent this. Multi layer applications are in use in Unix systems since X was born, circa 1980.
when dose the paint start peeling off? It think its a great little piece of kit
between iPhone and Trinity, I'll still pick trinity..I will only buy the iPhone when my iPod dies off and i'll use the iPhone as my iPod..My paint peels off at the bottom where the stylus is..suppose it could have been rubber or plastic there..but even so i don have much trouble with it..unstable WM is, it is still much much better than a N6280 which hangs more often than i can use it..anyway..with WM6..its much stable..I'll buy the trinity anytime!
Im now torn on whether to keep it or send it back. I got a brown sim free one delivered on friday morning after.much delibration and hesitation.
The hardware is very nice and solidly built...at least mine was. No gaps or anything of the sort.
Android and sense are both great...love them and I love the market place, which in my opinion is superior to the app store since.most apps are free and policy is less...draconian
I want to keep the device I really do.but its just not polished.enough and i know once the novelty wears off and reality sets in i'll most likely be frustrated when using it daily
I've noticed several issues:
-The keyboard works well for the most part with little lag but the spacebar sensitivity/responsiveness could be better. I still make more errors than I do on my iPhone as it loves giving me a period instead of a space
-During calls there's this annoying hiss that gives me a headache.
-Also during calls, sound gets distorted.if you raise the.volume beyond a.certain point and it makesit impossible to hear the other party properly
-Lags/stutters although mine doesn't seem as bad as others have pointed out. Just 1-2sec lags/jerkiness. However it becomes slightly more apparent when browsing the web and viewing photo albums.
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
Anyway like I said I really wantto.keepthe phone but I wantedto know how HTC handles their updates. Apple is very.much on the ball when it.comes to updates in my experience,they optimize, fix bugs and.add.features so you know you're well covered. Does HTC do.the.same.or doyou have to.suck it up and.live with what is shipped to you
If HTC do it like Apple then i'll keep the phone. Otherwise, it means my switch to Android will haveto wait a while yet
Ps the reason my post reads.funny is because.I'm.typing this from.the device and.going back to fix every error.is a.PITA
Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Yeah i have done the keyboard calibration which is why i'm surprised its still finicky. *Shrug*
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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Agreed and yeah...i'm starting to think this might be the way things end up unfortunately
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
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Its not my hearing i've never reached the max volume on my iPods/iPhones but frequently have to do so with the Hero. Maybe its specific to my unit.
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Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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I typed my post exclusively in landscape mode. I wouldn't even try portrait...unless for short text messages
I will admit that I'm quite confused regarding the lag issues. It does not seem to effect everyone and the ones it does effect consider a problem that if it were solved, the phone would be a fantastic upgrade from an iphone 3g or 2g. At times I hear it is just the live widgets, other times I hear it is just the software in general during media playback and browsing. I honestly don't know what to think and would love to have a means to test a hero as it is now. I'm not gonna upgrade to a 3gs...I'm still considering the hero but I'm going to wait for the software update and to see how things process for it on xda. I really see the potential in android and that is where I would like to stay if all works out..but I'm not so clear about the hero. Given my options and my needs, the the lag can be address with code optimization, then I think the hero is the best choice for me at this point. we'll see. if you're interested in selling it, let know price via PM. If you're any where near south central PA, perhaps I could give the thing a test run first if you don't mind.
I had the Hero, I could wait to get it. I was like a five year old waiting for santa! Anyway, bit dissapointed in it so reluctantly took it back and bought a PAYG iphone 3GS from O2.
Installed redSnow to jailbreak, then ultrasn0w to unlock and now i'm using it on Vodafone. Thank god for the iphone dev team.
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
http://justflikwalk.deviantart.com/art/iVillain-Beta-128791945
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Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
I agree crappy music playback is terrible. speed is OK, quite laggy compared to an iphone 3G but bearable. Apparantly a rom update will arrive soon.
I'm thinking of returning to an iphone as well. No equalizer is like it's 1999.
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Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
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Maybe so but its also piracy
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Maybe so but its also piracy
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....and you have a problem with this?
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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you can transfer all sorts of files uising wifi discover. It turns the iphone into a wireless usb stick. If you transfer an mp3 it'll play it on the phone. Thats what i do. There is al alternative to itunes on Cydia. Even if you couldn't do that, the sacrifice is a small price to pay when you concider the iphone 3GS is just so slick.
Why can't other manufactures achieve what Apple has done here? Did they back engineer the iphone from a UFO wreck in Navada? BTW i'm no iphone fanboy. I've had HTC devices from the first orange SPV in 2003 right up to The Hero. There is no getting away from it, Palm, Samsung, HTC whoever just can't get close to Apple right now.
Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
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Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
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I never even took the stock earbuds out of the box. Been alternating between V-Moda Vibe Duos and Bose Quiet Comforts
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The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place.....multitasking...
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
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If you don't count playing music whilst browsing the web or any other task, and background checking your email / calendar sync... but it sure sounds like multitasking to me
And all because you can't choose other apps to have open in the background dosn't mean it can't multitask 'at all'. And lord just look at the Hero (slowwww/laggggg) as a case point why multitasking might not always be the best way to go about a mobile phone operating system.
I don't know if talking about lag is a valid point as I, and many others have experienced no lag at all, even during intense useage.
Personally, I understand that many people are experiencing lag issues but I'm keen to see what happens with this update coming out soon.
And background processing/multitasking is absoultely vital for a smartphone OS.
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Goto Cydia > download "Backgrounder" and multitask as much as you want!
I'm a techy too, but the Hero just doesn't impress. Jailbreak an iphone and become a geeky as you want. Widgets on lock screen and the springboard.
The iphone apps are like a 100 years ahead of android! one day android will be great. Just not today.
hi guys...
just opening this thread to get some advice. i love my hero alot but other than flashing the phone for new roms i can find any thing to do with. well i was thinking going back to iphone because with it i can stream movies(via unlimvideos) and also games on iphone looks great. i really love my hero but i can't either stream music or play cool games. should i wait for upcoming games or should i change? you have to admit rockband,fifa,fast and furiost. is killing me not to do any thing with the phone games in android market are lame an worst 2d i have ever seen.
help me decide or show me the true power of my hero
I guess you'll have to go back to the iPhone then
There are many things I like about Android, but it doesn't have as many good games and high quality apps as there are for the iPhone. I use it "professionally" as a smart phone, so i don't really need games ... apart from a little bit of SNES emulation if I find the time I use it to study vocabulary, to write emails, to remote control my music/video server, take notes, plan meetings and so on.
The iPhone is more of an entertainment system than a smartphone (although it can be both) and I avoid it not only for technical reasons (Hero is smaller, Android has multitasking which I find quite handy with the apps I use, I can develop own apps for it more easily, etc.) but also because I don't want to support Apple right now. They are behaving like rampant douchebags and though I admit that they have superior hardware to some extent, that fact doesn't outweigh their dickish behavior recently.
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Hello, Swedish man here plese excuse english. Why you ask for people opinion here ? What dose it matter what geek think ? These geek cling to very small things - why you care about these people ? They very opinionated and usually wrong - me of course, I usually right. Hero good phone - people who use it bad - jost my opinion
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Hello AGAIN Poorboy,
You must be a troll, i'd better stop handing out cookies.
Hey bartolo777,
Try flashing one of the new desire-dump based 2.1 roms on it (i run behero).
It'll give you google nav, the new market, google goggles, etc.
Hope this helps.
Kr,
-Kevin
I consider myself a heavy user of all iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad, Macs, Apple TV), Blackberry phones and I could not resist myself the moment I saw the Galaxy Note. I ended up owning one and I really fell in love with that device the moment I held it my hands.
My experience with Note is just 1 week old and I wonder if there are any features that I am already / will be missing from iPhone/iPad world going forward. This is not a review and it is just my observation, opinion of what I feel
Here you go!
Hardware:
The galaxy note IMO is far more superior in the hardware specification than the iPhone 4s right the processor speed, performance, resolution, screen technology, feel.
OS:
Is it better than iOS? Well, can't say! iOS always had a clean interface. No cribs on Android either. Highly customizable, looks great and ICS looks promising (can't wait for it though)
Too many options are good
Battery
Note's battery lasts for nearly 16 hrs on moderate use and is definitely better than iPhone.
Display
One word! Gorgeous! Black is truly black and I believer that there are just too many posts complaining about patchy surface beneath the screen. I guess that is by design and I am not worried. The performance is flawless! Show stealer and all my friends who saw the demo could not close their mouth ;-)
Gestures:
I am not missing anything here! Supports all the gestures!
Apps:
I almost find all the apps in the Android market place that I used to use daily on my iPhone / iPad except a few (Love ArtRage on my iPad). I am sure the developers must be working on it. Only crib is that I need to buy them again. I wish there is a platform independent licensing mechanism.
iCloud
Yes, I am missing the iCloud backup / Restore across all my devices. But, at the end of the day I own only 1 Android phone and I believe the backup is happening here on either Google/Samsung. Experts?
Airplay
Yes, I miss it and I am not quite happy with AllShare (DLNA) as the videos don't play. This only plays Audio, Photos on DLNA certified systems and not what I watch on youtube etc.
In Apple world, the AirPlay is just awesome and helped us watch things directly on the TV using Apple TV.
PC Indepent
Truly it is. Till date iOS always depended on a machine and this dependency is removed only with iOS5. In the past one week, I have not connect my Note to any of my machines even once and fully operational within minutes of the purchase!
Audio / Call quality
Not missing anything here. Had too many confusions after reading user reviews and finally i wanted to give it a try and compromise even if the SQ is not that great. I am glad that I did it.
To my ears, the sound is equally good between iPhone and Note. But I found that the music quality is much better with the stock player than using 3rd party EQ/Amps. Somehow, the PowerAmp kills the quality. Not using it any more.
Missing iTunes? I don't think so. I copy my songs the microSD and job is done. Genius playlists? Never use them. No cribs!
iTunes Music Match? Wont work in my country!!
Oh, Did I say the FM quality is good?
Similarly no complaints on call quality either. crystal clear and I am using all default settings while placing the call. I am not disabling noise canceling as some users do.
Car friendliness:
Well, not too much happy as holding it on one hand is an issue while driving. Connects seamlessly with my Parrot BT hooked up to my Alpine and hence no major issues!
However, iPhone is equally bad and not superior. '
I guess it is more to do with lock screens and touch screens as I am more used to using my Blackberry Bold for business purposes to engage in conference calls (Dial a bridge and key in a 6-10 digit PIN code). Just imagine typing the PIN using one hand in Note. Really a struggle and it is too dangerous! On BB, I can feel the keys and type, while I watch the road.
Voice Recognition
Frankly I am not a big fan of this and hence not considering Siri too here. I don't think we can mimic US accent, how much ever we try and hence giving up on that!
Tamil eBooks
My tamil collection worked nicely on iBooks and on Note, I had to struggle a bit for Android. Finally I ended up Moon Reader and Cool Reader for tamil language support. I like Moon+Reader better than the Aldiko!
Timer control to make the phone sleep is missing in Note.
Mails / Messages
Both seamlessly connect to Exchange 2010 and IMO, Android uses advanced features (integrating the SMS) with Exchange better than iOS.
iPod Docking
In my car I am used to connecting my iPhone using the provided dock and connect to Parrot BT using bluetooth.
I know my Alpine suppers hard disks, USB disks etc. Need to buy the accessory to mount my phone so that I can play the songs! Will update once i get it!
Some of the above are just OS related and really not device related though!!
My 2 cents!
onlt thing i miss from iphone is android market is not selling items to my country so making tricks to get paid apps is not a good thing. iphone doesnt have this kşnd of issues.
I came from a IP3,3gs&4.
I miss bubble notifications, i know u can get them on launchers/themes but they don't cover a lot of apps like whatapp, work email etc.
Also on a jail broken ip4 the lock screen app vis on cydia is great. All my emails,SMS,whatapp / notifcations at the lockscreen. Didn't have to unlock to read first few lines of a notification.
So its just software hopefully ill get what i need when someone devs it
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I will never sell my iphone
iphone apps>>>>>>>>>>>android
So the sole reason you're keeping your iDevices is apps? I know the i ones tend to be more polished UI wise but that will come in time on Android, and seriously, how many apps exist on the i ecosystem that you can't substitute with an Android app, or come close?
Just wondering...
Games apps etc are all better on iphone more fluid and look better
Tamil eBooks
My tamil collection worked nicely on iBooks and on Note, I had to struggle a bit for Android. Finally I ended up Moon Reader and Cool Reader for tamil language support. I like Moon+Reader better than the Aldiko!
If your files are epub try Go Books it looks nice I used to use Moon+reader but switched up
oh.... let's see.... I missed the fact that my thumb can reach edge to edge of the screen on any of the iPhones. I also missed the slow evolution of the iDevices but they made sure we didn't feel cheap about it by selling them at a higher price than similar devices.
Gosh... there are so many paid apps that are so polished that the Androids will never catch up to.....
iFanbois, please get a life.
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oh.... let's see.... I missed the fact that my thumb can reach edge to edge of the screen on any of the iPhones. I also missed the slow evolution of the iDevices but they made sure we didn't feel cheap about it by selling them at a higher price than similar devices.
Gosh... there are so many paid apps that are so polished that the Androids will never catch up to.....
iFanbois, please get a life.
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The irony
In 2 weeks I miss the app store, the ease of use, the polished ios5 and most importantly the sync. Android sync is absolute garbage!
The rest of the stuff the note wins hands down, I'll bear with it till the iphone 5 comes out and see what that looks like, may even go back to windows if I dont ever manage to sync this thing properly
From 3GS to 4 to Note..
I miss activator from Cydia to features from status bar.
No yet enuf reading, is it activator or something similiar exist?
Like to activate/click on status bar from running app to return to home screen without clickinf on the physical button.(To minimize using of the button that frequently faulty.on my iphone)
TapaTalking on Note
vprabu said:
I consider myself a heavy user ,,,,,
iCloud
Yes, I am missing the iCloud backup / Restore across all my devices. But, at the end of the day I own only 1 Android phone and I believe the backup is happening here on either Google/Samsung. Experts?
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Why don't you try Dropbox? 2GB Free. By the way, if you use this link: http://db.tt/bO7rycn we both will win + 250 Free MB
I would say the apps are better on iOS. More of them, and better quality.
I had that great periodic table app, not on Android. Also there many more star map apps on iOS. Google Sky sux.
Android is very popular, maybe not as much as Apple devices but for how popular Android is I am surprised that more of the polished apps haven't been ported.
The thing I DON'T miss is iTunes. God i hate that app and the fact that you MUST use it to do anything on iOS.
I miss how easy it was to copy and paste, going back to a letter in word for correcting mistakes, and tiny wings
I don't miss the small screen, no flash, and no custom ROMS
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iFanbois, please get a life.
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We don't need those post's here. If you don't agree with him, discuss the topic, stay away from fanboy talk. The best way to let it die is to deny it exist's, lets keep it real.
I'm planning on buying a Note and keeping my iPhone 4(jailbroken) at first at least. I want to see where my needs are met or lost first. I'd like to be able to have the Note replace both my iPhone 4 and my HTC Flyer, but as it stands both devices are very nice singularly. I love my iPhone, and I love my Flyer. Both Android and iOS bring a lot to the table, Thanks for your incite on this thread!
From my personal experience
Hardware - android ++++++
Software - ios ++++++
I'm an android user but have been playing with several friends' iphones. I was always impressed with how polished the iOS in terms of smoothness and design. The sheer number of apps and how good some of them were also made me jealous. But in the end I can't imagine living a day-to-day life with a device so limited by one man's vision. These things are to be used the way somebody wants me to use them (including the way I grip the phone ;P). I'm aware that it really depends on personal preference but I'm a power user and being told how to use my device is simply an insult to me (and a painful limitation of course). On android I feel free.
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Why don't you try Dropbox? 2GB Free. By the way, if you use this link: http://db.tt/bO7rycn we both will win + 250 Free MB
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I do use Dropbox. But what I meant is that the devices synching our data (including apps) effortlessly.
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From my personal experience
Hardware - android ++++++
Software - ios ++++++
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Well, I partly agree. To me softwares / apps are still 3rd party stuff and they still do a good job when they support both the platforms. However the developers who are not familiar with UI/UX and when they create apps only on android, the UI is a bit lousy.
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I miss the way Music Player in iOS creating playlist. I find it more convenient as I always like to create playlists each day going out.
And honestly, the way iOS manage apps is better, I dont have to worry if I leave anything running in the background that killing the phone battery.
Anyway, I'm in love with my Note now
After trying several Android tablets, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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After trying several Android tablet, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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That is a genious idea!! So you plan to integrate a standard Android tablet into a car so that the front passengers can listen to music, make play lists play movies, use Google Maps based GPS (obviously this would only work for SIM card enabled tablets). I cant think of any other uses unless you really wanted to make serious modifications to the car.
Seriously, if I were you I would delete this thread until your idea has a patent or two because this idea is gold dust.
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That is a genious idea!! So you plan to integrate a standard Android tablet into a car so that the front passengers can listen to music, make play lists play movies, use Google Maps based GPS (obviously this would only work for SIM card enabled tablets). I cant think of any other uses unless you really wanted to make serious modifications to the car.
Seriously, if I were you I would delete this thread until your idea has a patent or two because this idea is gold dust.
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Yes. That is what i want to do.
Basically, i developed a board and it works. Now, im thinking new features and going to complete the work. One day it may come as an open design for Android fans.
Internet on the way is possible as 3G connection(USB dongle) is ready. Google street view is an interesting app for driving.
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
I love the idea of android in the car. But don't waste your time re-inventing the wheel, essentially building a custom tablet that will surely be out of date(both in hardware and in software) long before the product makes it out the door.
Compared to technology, cars last forever. *The only way to keep car electronics from feeling dated by the time the car pulls out of the lot is to have a "Dumb" car which can seamlessly integrate with user-replaceable off-the-shelf electronics.
Focus your resources on creating a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car. Then all that is left is a one-size-fits all frame for the console that permits you to drop in any (or a wide range) tablet the user wants. Inside the frame you could provide either both power & data over USB or power over usb and data/control over Bluetooth. Spend all of your effort in making the interface compatible with as many makes / models of cars as possible and working out how to get as much data and control over the car as possible. Don't waste your time on anything else..
Make this data/control available via a openly published API and let other developers build apps to display/use/control things and let Samsung/Asus/Apple/whoever build the actual tablets.
This approach is best for everyone. Less work for you on so many levels. And for customers it is great because it is future proof. In a 5 years (or 5 months) all you have to do to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware is stop by best buy and pick out a tablet.
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I love the idea of android in the car. But don't waste your time re-inventing the wheel, essentially building a custom tablet that will surely be out of date(both in hardware and in software) long before the product makes it out the door.
Compared to technology, cars last forever. *The only way to keep car electronics from feeling dated by the time the car pulls out of the lot is to have a "Dumb" car which can seamlessly integrate with user-replaceable off-the-shelf electronics.
Focus your resources on creating a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car. Then all that is left is a one-size-fits all frame for the console that permits you to drop in any (or a wide range) tablet the user wants. Inside the frame you could provide either both power & data over USB or power over usb and data/control over Bluetooth. Spend all of your effort in making the interface compatible with as many makes / models of cars as possible and working out how to get as much data and control over the car as possible. Don't waste your time on anything else..
Make this data/control available via a openly published API and let other developers build apps to display/use/control things and let Samsung/Asus/Apple/whoever build the actual tablets.
This approach is best for everyone. Less work for you on so many levels. And for customers it is great because it is future proof. In a 5 years (or 5 months) all you have to do to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware is stop by best buy and pick out a tablet.
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hi, cypho
Thanks for your advice.
Due to variety of cars(and tablets), I guess most difficult part is "a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car". Beside audio, power ..interfaces fitting to tablet, mounting and installation are blocking issues to make this kind of device.
There is another interface which has been widely applied in after market car head unit: standard 2DIN/1DIN stereo. Unfortunately, we have to put tablet into 2DIN/1DIN shield by this way.
nonstop2050 said:
hi, cypho
Thanks for your advice.
Due to variety of cars(and tablets), I guess most difficult part is "a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car". Beside audio, power ..interfaces fitting to tablet, mounting and installation are blocking issues to make this kind of device.
There is another interface which has been widely applied in after market car head unit: standard 2DIN/1DIN stereo. Unfortunately, we have to put tablet into 2DIN/1DIN shield by this way.
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I agree that is the hard part. Unfortunately that hard part cannot be avoided, weather you use an off the shelf tablet or build your own - it still has to interface with the car.
Really the ones who should be providing that open interface is the car manufactures. But they will never do it. They want to charge you $10,000 for an upgraded electronics package and then rely on those electronics feeling dated after 3 years to persuade people into buying a whole new car. How can they do any of that if it was easy to upgrade/replace the built in electronics for the cost of a cheep tablet.
The good news for you is because of the overpriced nature of manufacturers options if done right(sufficient polish and access to sufficient data and control over the car) you should be able to sell your interface device for big $$$. If the manufactures electronics option costs $10,000 and people are willing to pay for that, why would they not be willing to forgo the manufactures package pay twice that much or more for an aftermarket one that will never get old. Or better yet, imagine how much it is worth to someone considering spending buying a whole new car because their current car feels old.
Guys look here.
this dude build his streak 7 into his car. Just a idea
user_error said:
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
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Hi,
Media Sync is a killer application comparing current head unit. :laugh: WIFI is working easily on Android. As you mentioned, quality antenna is a must. Thanks for your information.
exebreez said:
Guys look here.
this dude build his streak 7 into his car. Just a idea
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thats something i'd do if i had the time and money
nice idea
voice controls would be really nice and an option to let it read out mails/messages you are getting while driving
There are some good voice control apps in google play. Hardware should link to an internal or external mic for the apps.
Here I put an external one for better performance.
nonstop2050 said:
After trying several Android tablets, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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multiple cameras and external storage to store video streams from cameras
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user_error said:
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
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You will stay in the car listening music instead of going back home to listen on our Sofa?
FocusVideo said:
multiple cameras and external storage to store video streams from cameras
USB camera and USB storage have been applied in the design.
USB camera can be standard PC web camera.
Full function samples will be done in several weeks. :laugh:
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
Focus on fidelity
Your early adopters would definitely be those who are already putting in custom stereos. The main thing is that you want quality audio connections via RCA connectors, and avoid ground-loop noise like the plague. Even if what you created was just a a Bluetooth transceiver in the trunk...
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Boll*cks I had this idea the other day.... then seen this. Guess I'll leave it to you good luck lad. :thumbup:
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You mean something like This ?
This would be great, if you could only make a dock for ANY tablet. The tablet that comes with this isnt probably too good. Having a nexus 7 in would make things MUNCH more intersting