I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?
I came from an Evo to the Shift. Don't want to go back.
Stuke00 said:
I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?
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It is really a matter of opinion. I had an Epic and I will tell you that there is no other smartphone line on the market that can match the graphics performance of the Hummingbird processor. They won't even come close.
That said, the GPU on the shift is not bad, its just not as good as the one in the SGS line. Personally, I don't play a lot of games on my phone and if I do they are not GPU intensive ones. My wife (she owns the shift and I now have an Evo) plays the sims on her phone and I've never seen it even stutter. I've watched full 1080p avi videos on both phones and never had an issue.
As to the screen, no one can say for you if its an issue. For me, it is. 3.6 is just too small but to my wife its more than enough. My suggestion would be to the sprint store and play with each. If you want the big screen the Evo is great and it has a great development community. If you want the keyboard, even though there doesn't seem to be a lot going on around here there are a lot of great devs would have already switched and are just waiting for permanent root to start releasing some very cool stuff.
For me, I wouldn't get or use my evo without the sprint extended battery for it. That fixes a major evo issue, battery life. It depends on what's most important features on a smartphone. I won't go through all the questions but figure out what you're wanting to do most often and go with the phone which that is it's strongpoints.
None of them do everything well.
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.
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Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.
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I agree, that's intriguing. Permanent root will happen, the Shift out of the box will blow your Hero away if you're worried about the bloatware.
I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is one day after my 30 day mark.
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I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is on day after my 30 day mark.
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I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.
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I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!
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I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.
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I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!
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I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!
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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.
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Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!
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i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift
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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.
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I may have read where you posted it, but I've also seen it a couple other places including androidcentral.com's forums.
StAlphonso said:
i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift
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I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!
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I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!
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Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.
I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.
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I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.
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Digression or not, +1!
kenvan19 said:
Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.
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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.
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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.
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I do apologize for my harsh opinion. I felt very burned by Sprint and Samsung based on the fact that the sales rep sold me on the epic based on a claim that there would be 4g in my area within 2 months and that the Epic would have 2.2 in less than a month. However, when I came back to have them check out my wife's instinct the same guy told me that the Epic wouldn't be getting FroYo and as you are aware there is no official Froyo for it nor is there 4G in my area. I bought my wife a Shift because I knew she couldn't handle dealing with the Instinct any longer but I bought it off contract so that when hers is up we can leave Sprint and just pay my ETF. If I could get out of Sprint with just paying one ETF I would do it now.
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Hi everyone,
I'm in the midst of trying to understand the full potential of a rooted Android phone, and have started a thread here. I wish to invite users with good knowledge of what a rooted phone could do to contribute to the thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6210151#post6210151
Looking forward to your participation.
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This phone is going to be incredible!!! the nexus one and its insane price tag will eat it bad on this one. Plus the Incredible is hands down better than the nexus, and thats just on paper!!! wait till it in our hands!!! lol I have a ROOTED Droid Eris (selling to help compensate for incredible) thats a month old, a ROOTED and OvrClocked Moto Droid thats a week old, and I already have pre-ordered a shiny new HTC Incredible (soon to be rooted lol).
about the droid
the droid is not hands down better then the nexous one
they are the same phones same processors and almost same everything
the droid has a better camera and more ram
thats it
so how is that hands down a better phone
i ordered mine and got it yesterday for my wife she is on verizon
i have the nexous one and after hella playing with both and testing both there about the same
my nexous one is faster but its rooted
i like the droids looks and how skinny it is but its not hands down better then the nexous one
also its does not have the Noise Cancellation technology but from what i can tell there both great call audio
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This phone is going to be incredible!!! the nexus one and its insane price tag will eat it bad on this one. Plus the Incredible is hands down better than the nexus, and thats just on paper!!! wait till it in our hands!!! lol I have a ROOTED Droid Eris (selling to help compensate for incredible) thats a month old, a ROOTED and OvrClocked Moto Droid thats a week old, and I already have pre-ordered a shiny new HTC Incredible (soon to be rooted lol).
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3 new phones in a month? Wow. Can your reverse the root on the Eris and Droid and return them? I thought people had 30 days to evaluate and return.
He's a collector
sn95chico said:
the droid is not hands down better then the nexous one
they are the same phones same processors and almost same everything
the droid has a better camera and more ram
thats it
so how is that hands down a better phone
i ordered mine and got it yesterday for my wife she is on verizon
i have the nexous one and after hella playing with both and testing both there about the same
my nexous one is faster but its rooted
i like the droids looks and how skinny it is but its not hands down better then the nexous one
also its does not have the Noise Cancellation technology but from what i can tell there both great call audio
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Well for one. It has better touch sensor technology, 8gig of internal memory for music/media/whatever/, actually can get reception? The noise cancel tech isn't really important and doesn't always work flawlessly. Just the better touch senor and reception make it FAR superior to the nexus one. Plus it has an Fm modulator and an 8mp cam that apparently takes great pics and video soo,
the droid is not hands down better then the nexous one
they are the same phones same processors and almost same everything
the droid has a bett
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Well for one. It has better touch sensor technology, 8gig of internal memory for music/media/whatever/, actually can get reception? The noise cancel tech isn't really important and doesn't always work flawlessly. Just the better touch senor and reception make it FAR superior to the nexus one. Plus it has an Fm modulator and an 8mp cam that apparently takes great pics and video soo,
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See if you still feel the same when N1 is running Froyo while INC is still stuck on Eclair many months from now lol
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See if you still feel the same when N1 is running Froyo while INC is still stuck on Eclair many months from now lol
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Please tell me you're joking.
I'm gonna throw this out there right now:
The Nexus One is JUNK.
Between the crap screen, crap touch sensor, crap network (mine was tmo), there's no arguing that the Incredible is better.
And check this out. You're probably unfamiliar with the concept, so I'll help drop some knowledge on you....
Custom Roms.
When Froyo is released for any phone, someone will package it for the Incredible (and every other device under the sun. Maybe we'll have to wait a week or two, maybe we won't. But I'll tell you this - I won't miss clicking my 'Browser' icon on my desktop and the piece of $h!t touchscreen sensor mistaking it for 'Phone'.
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Please tell me you're joking.
I'm gonna throw this out there right now:
The Nexus One is JUNK.
Between the crap screen, crap touch sensor, crap network (mine was tmo), there's no arguing that the Incredible is better.
And check this out. You're probably unfamiliar with the concept, so I'll help drop some knowledge on you....
Custom Roms.
When Froyo is released for any phone, someone will package it for the Incredible (and every other device under the sun. Maybe we'll have to wait a week or two, maybe we won't. But I'll tell you this - I won't miss clicking my 'Browser' icon on my desktop and the piece of $h!t touchscreen sensor mistaking it for 'Phone'.
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Im going to throw this out there for you....
Nexus one is far from junk.
I have it and I am on Tmo, I have excellent reception, the screen is loads better than many phones, and my touch screen works fine.
My Co-worker just got the incredible under my advisement when it became clear that verizon was passing on the nexus. I have played with it and put swype and the 3d gallery on it for her. It is a nice phone, sure it has some upgrades compared to the nexus but is is far from an "OMG this phone pwns" type of a situation.
As far as the firmware issue...not everyone wants to void their warranty and put custom firmware on their device, some people just want a legit OTA update in a timely fashion...me I always void warranties.
Different opinions are fine, but you dont have to be a closed minded douche about it.
Mike
I agree with Mike the N1 is not junk. I made the switch from the N1 to the Incredible. While I freaking love the Incredible (especially the fact that the touchscreen isn't laggy/glitchy) and have found it to be markedly more polished, I will always regard my N1 fondly. It was so nice knowing that root access was waiting for me before my device even arrived (it may be a while before this happens with the Incredible), and the level of customization available for the N1 made it a blast to play with (and made it fast as hell too). What I don't understand is why people get so pissy in these threads. I mean c'mon, we are only dealing with phones here. I would hate to see how some of these folks react in situations that actually matter
it's called credibility....
Until you guys, NOT MENTIONING ANY NAMES, can say that something "is better THAN" something else instead of "better THEN" you sound like an uneducated idiot. And I can't even finish reading your post because anything you say has no CREDIBILITY. sorry.
Ok but seriously, i'm on verizon, have had the vogue, hated WINMO, switched to blackberry pearl flip, which was nice to me, except locked gps, then found this awesome site, unlocked my vogue, put a 6.5 rom on it (thanks nfsfan) tried most of the android distros, and realized that a phone pumping some power paired up with android is the way to go. Ordered my incredible online, it arrived friday, waiting on me when i got home from work, and haven't looked back. I don't have direct comparison to a N1 or Eris, or any other android phone for that matter, but it is AWE-SOME..... Screen is brilliant, connectivity is easy, feels good in the hands... i also work for a company that sells sprint, so i will get to do a side by side with the EVO that is supposed to conquer anything else that is currently out. we'll see....
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Im going to throw this out there for you....
Nexus one is far from junk.
I have it and I am on Tmo, I have excellent reception, the screen is loads better than many phones, and my touch screen works fine.
My Co-worker just got the incredible under my advisement when it became clear that verizon was passing on the nexus. I have played with it and put swype and the 3d gallery on it for her. It is a nice phone, sure it has some upgrades compared to the nexus but is is far from an "OMG this phone pwns" type of a situation.
As far as the firmware issue...not everyone wants to void their warranty and put custom firmware on their device, some people just want a legit OTA update in a timely fashion...me I always void warranties.
Different opinions are fine, but you dont have to be a closed minded douche about it.
Mike
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Uh, are you familiar with the touch controller's tracking issues? And that's not even to mention the 3g issues. Screens spontaneously cracking? N1 has issues.
As far as people wanting to keep their phones stock... To each their own for sure on that one.
However if you're one of those people, why would you even be here?
The point was that the Incredible wouldn't get Froyo for "several months" after the N1 does. That's a BS statement and I called him on it. If that makes me a ****, I'll take the hit.
Personally the N1 seems like a better phone because I don't have to deal with the bugs. But thats only because I don't own one of them yet.
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Uh, are you familiar with the touch controller's tracking issues? And that's not even to mention the 3g issues. Screens spontaneously cracking? N1 has issues.
As far as people wanting to keep their phones stock... To each their own for sure on that one.
However if you're one of those people, why would you even be here?
The point was that the Incredible wouldn't get Froyo for "several months" after the N1 does. That's a BS statement and I called him on it. If that makes me a *****, I'll take the hit.
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First off, the touchscreen issue is a combo of software and crap buildup on the screen, once I took care of those issues it hasnt happened again.
Like I said I have no issues with 3g.
A few random people out of a couple hundred thousand phones does not make the screen cracking a real issue, more than likely a user problem...though I am not placing blame just stating a very real possibility.
If you know what this site is like then you must know that many people come here for things other than custom firmware, from apps to Q&A, this site has more to offer than custom firmware.
And as for his original statement on froyo, he is probably right in that the nexus will get an OFFICIAL upgrade before the other phones.
And you are a **** because you used the term ****
Mike
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First off, the touchscreen issue is a combo of software and crap buildup on the screen, once I took care of those issues it hasnt happened again.
Like I said I have no issues with 3g.
A few random people out of a couple hundred thousand phones does not make the screen cracking a real issue, more than likely a user problem...though I am not placing blame just stating a very real possibility.
If you know what this site is like then you must know that many people come here for things other than custom firmware, from apps to Q&A, this site has more to offer than custom firmware.
And as for his original statement on froyo, he is probably right in that the nexus will get an OFFICIAL upgrade before the other phones.
And you are a **** because you used the term ****
Mike
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Congratulations on not having the 3g issues like thousands of other people have had. Maybe it's because you're not a ****? Or maybe your N1 is magical? Or maybe you're just in denial about it?
At any rate, I don't believe your touchscreen issues were resolved with a kleenex. Many believe it's due to the actual controller in the phone. Maybe it could be fixed with software, maybe not. Either way nothing's been done about it to this point, so the issue still exists. But since we've established your N1 may be magical, you may not have these issues.
As far as an OFFICIAL SUPER DOPE FROYO RELEASE.
Hey, if you're naive enough to run a completely non-optimized stock ROM on your phone..... Have at it.
Again, your point was that we Incredible users would have to wait SEVERAL MONTHS for Froyo. We won't. Deal with it.
In terms of a Development Community the Nexus is the way to go(CyanogenMod, need i say more?).
But as far as a 'features' comparison goes the Incredible wins.
Also as far as a reliable network outside of major metro areas Verizon owns T-Mobile.
When the Incredible has root user access and superuser permissions enabled there will be less that separates the two assuming Sense is able to be removed and native 2.2 is able to be installed on the Incredible.
As a Verizon customer who wants reliable coverage, I had to go with the Incredible. If we all wait for the 'next best phone' well we would never buy a phone b/c that happens monthly. Let's do out best to support the developers and not piss off the Nexus one developers too much because if we are nice and supportive maybe they will work to enable the features that the Nexus One has with root access to our Incredibles, cyanogenmod included.
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Congratulations on not having the 3g issues like thousands of other people have had. Maybe it's because you're not a *****? Or maybe your N1 is magical? Or maybe you're just in denial about it?
At any rate, I don't believe your touchscreen issues were resolved with a kleenex. Many believe it's due to the actual controller in the phone. Maybe it could be fixed with software, maybe not. Either way nothing's been done about it to this point, so the issue still exists. But since we've established your N1 may be magical, you may not have these issues.
As far as an OFFICIAL SUPER DOPE FROYO RELEASE.
Hey, if you're naive enough to run a completely non-optimized stock ROM on your phone..... Have at it.
Again, your point was that we Incredible users would have to wait SEVERAL MONTHS for Froyo. We won't. Deal with it.
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Look, I really wish this didnt have to spiral into childish bull. The whole point was you were acting like an **** before, and then you continue to act like an ****. Just GROW UP!! My phone is not magical it is just the fact that NOT EVERYONE HAS THOSE ISSUES.
Do some damn reading, capacitive touchscreens can be affected by conductive buildup on the screen...like greasy fingerprints and sweat, so yeah I have CM installed and I keep my screen clean and I have not had the issue again. How can it be the controller when that same controller is used in many other devices.
And once again, just because many people do have 3g issues doesnt mean everyone does. I have a constant 3g connection and have no issues, no magic involved.
And your last ridiculously stupid comment about running stock froyo...what is wrong with people possibly wanting to stick to a stock OS...that was not the original argument, the original argument was who was going to get an official update first, not weather stock is better than custom.
The problem with your arguments is that you are using an all or nothing logic, if some people have an issue it means everyone has that issue...regardless of what they tell you. You just make some nonsensical statements about their phone being magical, and some weak attempts at witty put downs.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS BEING ARGUED IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WAY YOU WERE ACTING.
TREAT PEOPLE WITH SOME RESPECT!
Mike
So the person that started name-calling (you) is lamenting that the thread has spiraled into something childish. Oh, the irony.
Why haven't there been a rash of complaints about touchscreen inaccuracy on any other android phone (at least not to the extent of the problems with the N1)? Oh wait, I know! N1 users must have greasier fingers than the average users of other android phones, right?
Wipe the screen? That's your fix? Seriously? I've used touchscreen phones for about 5 years now:
2 treos, 2 iphones, 3 android phones.
The ONLY touchscreen I've ever had ANY issues with is my N1. To be fair, the treos obviously weren't capacative, but still.
My argument isn't an all or nothing argument. Heck, I never even said the Incredible 'totally pwns' the N1. My only point is that the N1 had way too many bugs when it was first released. My opinion is that for the cost of the phone, some of the parts are a bit questionable.
And again, when it comes to Froyo, don't roll up on what's probably the largest android custom rom development site bragging about how the Incredible isn't going to get an OFFICIAL Froyo update until way after the N1. Because the 99% of us that are here are using custom roms (yourself included) and we just don't give a ****. Again, deal with it.
Thepoint in saying what he did about Froyo was basically 'HAHA THE N1 IS GONNA HAVE FROYO AND ALL OF ITS DOPE FEATURES MONTHS BEFORE YOUR INCREDIBLE WILL'. Again, it's simply not true and we all know it.
In the end, it's just my opinion about a phone.
MY problem is you made a bunch of matter-of-fact statements, I said that is not so with my phone, then you go and start mocking me saying that my phone must be magical.
Ok so you have used touchscreen phones for years...I am an electronics technician and an embedded systems programmer...but go ahead and tell me, because you know better, that a dirty capacitive screen, along with a sensor gain turned up too high in software cant cause the exact issues. I mean a bunch of people admitted that the problem went away after they changed firmware.
As far as the N1 having too many bugs, didnt the incredible already get an OTA because of a few major bugs.
And once again your lack of logic shows....the froyo thing....I will say it again, it doesnt matter how many people come here for custom firmware, most does not equal all so stop saying that just because many of the people here use CF, that is all everyone here uses. The point is still valid, the N1 will probably get an OFFICIAL update first. That word I used, official, is a qualifier...that means the argument I am making is based on that point being true.
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MY problem is you made a bunch of matter-of-fact statements, I said that is not so with my phone, then you go and start mocking me saying that my phone must be magical.
Ok so you have used touchscreen phones for years...I am an electronics technician and an embedded systems programmer...but go ahead and tell me, because you know better, that a dirty capacitive screen, along with a sensor gain turned up too high in software cant cause the exact issues. I mean a bunch of people admitted that the problem went away after they changed firmware.
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Word. Your theory could hold water. However, I'm a Linux Sys Engineer going on about 10 years now, so I do know a thing or two about Linux. And what I know leads me to believe otherwise. From the stock ROM, to the several versions of CM, to a few versions of KingClick's Desire ROM, ALL of them exhibit the touchscreen issues on my phone. This is probably due to the fact that while each one might run slightly modified kernels, the module that handles the touchscreen support is the same in all of them, since it's ultimately built from the same sources. Maybe it's my specific phone, but I find that hard to believe given the scope of complaints I've read here and elsewhere on the Internet.
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As far as the N1 having too many bugs, didnt the incredible already get an OTA because of a few major bugs.
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Indeed, sir. But as far as I know it was only to resolve an exchange support issue. I'll gladly deal with this issue to have a properly working touchscreen. Again, I never said or even implied the Incredible is perfect.
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And once again your lack of logic shows....the froyo thing....I will say it again, it doesnt matter how many people come here for custom firmware, most does not equal all so stop saying that just because many of the people here use CF, that is all everyone here uses. The point is still valid, the N1 will probably get an OFFICIAL update first. That word I used, official, is a qualifier...that means the argument I am making is based on that point being true.
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You're arguing with yourself on this one, dude.
My logic was quite lucid. My point was essentially that I believe 99% of the people who frequent these forums run custom ROMs on their handsets. Therefore other than using them for the purposes of building custom ROMs, no one really gives a rat's a** about 'official' ROMs, because 99% of the people here probably don't run them on their phone.
Furthermore, the 99% of us that do run custom ROMs will be running the Incredible's version of whatever Froyo ROMs are available.... Probably within a week or two of when they're available for the N1. We will not have to wait 'several months' as the other dude stated earlier.
http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-6452_7-774.html?tag=rb_content;carouselMain
Nothing groundbreaking, but a fun vid. They give Evo a slight edge.
nice video..good stuff...
The fact that HTC is about to release an update for the EVO after their froyo update, and Samsung hasn't even gotten Froyo yet is enough for me to put the EVO way in the lead.
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The fact that HTC is about to release an update for the EVO after their froyo update, and Samsung hasn't even gotten Froyo yet is enough for me to put the EVO way in the lead.
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This and the fact that flagship HTC phones always get 10x the community support.
The insides (hardware/specs) of the Epic 4G are way better but outside (software/build) is just blah.
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This and the fact that flagship HTC phones always get 10x the community support.
The insides (hardware/specs) of the Epic 4G are way better but outside (software/build) is just blah.
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^ Hero vs. Moment all over again. I'll never make the mistake of choosing Samsung over HTC again.
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The fact that HTC is about to release an update for the EVO after their froyo update, and Samsung hasn't even gotten Froyo yet is enough for me to put the EVO way in the lead.
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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Samsung shouldve just put Froyo on the Epic to begin with...
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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Nope nothing to do with e-penis. Has to do with the fact that I know HTC has better support for their phones than Samsung.
My friend has the epic, I think it has one of the best hardware keyboards out there the Super AMOLED screen is awesome, and the processor is great. With all that being said, I have no faith in Samsung taking care of the phone as much as HTC does.
And if you want to go by your line of thinking the Samsung Galaxy S line has been out longer than the HTC EVO and not ONE of them has Froyo on them officially yet.
HTC has put froyo on quite a few different models so far, and Samsung can't do it on their one line of phones that's supposed to be their top of the line phone which has already shipped 1 million units in the US alone.
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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Yes, but the htc was initially released with android 1.0, and froyo wasn't released for another month. But epic was released 2 months AFTER froyo was released, and they have plenty of time to recode it for froyo and then release it. So in total it's been 3 months since froyo was released and epic doesn't have it atm.
And Sprint/HTC were the first to rollout Froyo. (Google pushed it for the Nexus One).
Before I click the link, knowing cnet I bet they mentioned iPhone several times lol.
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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To debunk you, the Galaxy S line of phones has been out across multiple carriers and countries for as long as the Evo has been out. There are only two minor differences between other Galaxy S phones and the Epic - hardware keyboard and WiMax. They could have pushed out a Froyo update by now but Samsung is just full of fail.
I regret even trying to post in this thread. I forgot it was on the Evo part of this forum and if one bad thing is even voiced or implied about any phone here then your just a total uneducated imbecile...apologies for trying to add some right to your guys left.
Ill go somewhere else.
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I regret even trying to post in this thread. I forgot it was on the Evo part of this forum and if one bad thing is even voiced or implied about any phone here then your just a total uneducated imbecile...apologies for trying to add some right to your guys left.
Ill go somewhere else.
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I was really only upset about the part that you were implying that my opinion had to do with me worrying about the size of my e-penis.
Hardware wise the Galaxy S is undeniably a better phone, but from my experience (and yes I've owned Samsung phones too), Samsung is horrible with software. Back in the old days software wasn't a huge part of cell phones, but today, no matter how good the hardware, bad software will make a phone bad. I'm not implying the Galaxy S software is bad, I actually kinda like touchwiz, but I'm worried about how long Samsung will have people like my friend stuck on 2.1.
I made no opinion on the Galaxy S hacking community since I have no experience on what they're doing.
To end this debate, I have the largest e-penis.
8=================D
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I was really only upset about the part that you were implying that my opinion had to do with me worrying about the size of my e-penis.
Hardware wise the Galaxy S is undeniably a better phone, but from my experience (and yes I've owned Samsung phones too), Samsung is horrible with software. Back in the old days software wasn't a huge part of cell phones, but today, no matter how good the hardware, bad software will make a phone bad. I'm not implying the Galaxy S software is bad, I actually kinda like touchwiz, but I'm worried about how long Samsung will have people like my friend stuck on 2.1.
I made no opinion on the Galaxy S hacking community since I have no experience on what they're doing.
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To be honest I am worrried about samsungs support too. I really want them o support it. They just released an update. And another one is coming soon for the gps so they are doing something. froyo is just. Little off. I don't even want to talk aboujt gingerbread. Apologies for saying you were trying to enlarge your epenis...immature on my part!
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To be honest I am worrried about samsungs support too. I really want them o support it. They just released an update. And another one is coming soon for the gps so they are doing something. froyo is just. Little off. I don't even want to talk aboujt gingerbread. Apologies for saying you were trying to enlarge your epenis...immature on my part!
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no one here is saying anything about the phone itself. Everyone knows the hardware is at the top of the pyramid. The only reason the evo vs epic threads happen is because of the software portion. We know that evo is behind in hardware, but the software/updates make up for that. And to a normal user, the software part is what matters. The main argument between the evo vs epic thread is about the horrible support samsung has done in the past. No one knows if samsung will turn it around for epic, but it's looking like that so far. (this is coming from seeing an article about a new samsung galaxy S phone coming out, and it looks like the epic will be left behind just like all the other galaxy S line was left with gps/capacitative buttons/etc..
Personally thats why I didn't buy the phone. I'm still within my 30 day limit and can get it in a snap, but I just dont trust samsung, just like the thousands, if not millions of other people, that have gotten screwed by their older phones (instinct mainly).
but then again, even if samsung were to release the froyo update, most wouldn't switch because of the development support here. If froyo is released, and if htc doesn't release gingerbread to us before that, then I will admit that the epic is a better phone from top to bottom (minus the screen, 4.3 beats the **** out of anything), but I just don't see that happening.
both are great phones but it comes down to this
physical keyboard
From my own experience, the epic was an epic fail. I had one the day they were released and my touch buttons didn't respond unless I put a considerable amount of force on em. My wife got one the same day and her epic didn't have that problem, so I thought I can live with it, but alas, it got to the point where it wouldn't respond at all at times. But, that wasn't the deal breaker. The slide mechanism started coming loose and I could feel the screen flopping as I typed which was unbearable to I returned it for another.
The Second Epic I had seemed okay, or so I thought. I brought it home charged it, ran through the setup and yada yada and everything was kosher. Until I tried to charge it while at work. I almost ran it dead and plugged it in, an hour later I went to check on it and it had the battery symbol with a thermometer flashing. Tried to pick it up and it was burning hot. Unplugged, let it cool, turned it on and it was so laggy I couldn't even get the dialer to come up. So I returned that one too, lucky for me they just had a new shipment of Evos come in so I snatched one up while I could.
Two epics to one evo, my money's on the Evo.
Im jumping onto the Evo!!!! I am returning my Epic tmmrw and then ordering an Evo, I just need a PHONE and not a supercomputer in my pocket, not saying the Evo isnt great and fast, I just dont need what the Epic has to offer at this time, community is more important than the Screen hahaha
@ray
Two epics to one evo, my money's on the Evo.
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Im on my second Epic, and switching to Evo too.
Knowing what you know now about the Epic....
My upgrade time is Monday and I need to replace my old Touch Pro (can you imagine I am still using it). I would like the Epic becuase of the keyboard, and the hardware does look more impressive. However the EVO fanboys are a bit much and you cannot get a good review of Epic from them.
So I am asking you all what do you think... Should I take the Epic and be happy? I have to extend my contract 2 years and I want to be happy with my decision. The angst here over GPS and Froyo has me thinking it might be safer to go to Evo w/o the keyboard... even though I can't stand the attitutudes of the Evo users.
Let me know what you think. Any comments I would appreciate.
For a good unbiased review see engadget. They did a thorough workup of the epic. Also I reccomend using the search function, there are multiple threads just like this and should answer ur questions.
Sent from my Epic 4G
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For a good unbiased review see engadget. They did a thorough workup of the epic. Also I reccomend using the search function, there are multiple threads just like this and should answer ur questions.
Sent from my Epic 4G
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I've read COUNTLESS posts. I am just looking for something a bit updated. It seems things change as the wind blows.
Well the ppl on the froyo leak say gps is fixed so if that and froyo are ur only 2 probs with epic, they will be solved soon with the ota (the leak is kinda buggy) which hopefully will come in the next few weeks.
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I like them both. The keyboard sold the epic to me, along with the display.
I love my Epic. I play a lot of games too, so the choice was obvious to me.
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I'm upgrading on thursday. I finally decided upon the epic because of the hardware keyboard, the awesome screen and the fact that I don't like sense. I went into the sprint store to get a feel for them. That definitely helped me. There have been a few moments here and there where I think "man, maybe I should get the evo." Especially after seeing how large the user community is. But I always come back to the epic. P.s. If you're the primary line then you should be eligible for yearly upgrades with the everything data plan. So you're only stuck with this phone for a year. Or give it thirty days ad switch to the evo if you're not satisfied.
I just got my epic and love it.
The only other phone I think I would consider is the G2 by T-mobile.
I wish we had froyo already but it should be out in a few weeks.
The epic's display is awesome.
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I'm upgrading on thursday. I finally decided upon the epic because of the hardware keyboard, the awesome screen and the fact that I don't like sense. I went into the sprint store to get a feel for them. That definitely helped me. There have been a few moments here and there where I think "man, maybe I should get the evo." Especially after seeing how large the user community is. But I always come back to the epic. P.s. If you're the primary line then you should be eligible for yearly upgrades with the everything data plan. So you're only stuck with this phone for a year. Or give it thirty days ad switch to the evo if you're not satisfied.
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Same here. I originally wanted Evo (didn't we all)... then I investigated Epic and found out its a whole lot more than just a keyboard for $50. The added hardware (processor, display, gpu, etc, etc, etc) make me think its plumb silly to buy an Evo... but man those Evo owners are very loud. No one is saying their phone is bad... obviously its great, but boy do they like to cut down the Epic.
In regards to primary line stuff... its currently set to my wife's line. She is on blackberry, but I will probably upgrade her to an Epic later this year so that we are on the same phone (unless a dual core 3.0 phone comes out... then I get it and she gets the Epic ).
I just jumped from an Evo to the Epic and this is my honest advice. If you are here for roms go with the Evo by far. The support for the Evo on this site and the lack there of for the Epic is like night and day.
If you don't plan on Rooting your phone and wanting everything stock go with the Epic. I don't see how anyone can argue differently.
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I just jumped from an Evo to the Epic and this is my honest advice. If you are here for roms go with the Evo by far. The support for the Evo on this site and the lack there of for the Epic is like night and day.
If you don't plan on Rooting your phone and wanting everything stock go with the Epic. I don't see how anyone can argue differently.
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Thanks. Good advice. I like that there is a support community for Evo... but I would only root/flash if I really had to. I am not a power user... couldn't care less about overclocking (at least for now - a year from now who knows).. that being said my Touch Pro is currently unlocked/flashed to MightyROM, so it's not out of the question. I certainly will not be planning to root/flash anytime before official Froyo is released on Epic.
Epic obviously doesn't have same dev community as evo, but we do have a good growing dev community. We have 4 or 5 solid roms out right now and even if that number doesn't grow I'm happy, its about quality not quantity.
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skywalkr2, I worked at Sprint for over 8 years (great place to work, left for an amazing opportunity elsewhere) and as a Pre owner, I was RABIDLY anticipating a new device this year to replace my Pre (greatest software on the market, worst hardware). I'm at work now and took a short break to look at my phone and happened to see this thread in the XDA app. As such, I don't have time at this moment to give my full opinion, but I can tell you that NOBODY did more research on this exact question than I did... and I ended up choosing the EVO AFTER I talked my own father into getting an Epic. I'll post the full list of reasons tonight, I just wanted to get in my two cents since obviously everyone in this forum is likely to tell you the Epic is the best. I was afraid you might see an overwhelming number of people telling you to grab an Epic and then you'd stop checking this thread.
I suggest you at least listen to my reasoning before jumping ship.
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Well the ppl on the froyo leak say gps is fixed so if that and froyo are ur only 2 probs with epic, they will be solved soon with the ota (the leak is kinda buggy) which hopefully will come in the next few weeks.
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Not so fast. The reports I have seen about the GPS are mixed. For example, see this.
It does sound like one of the GPS bugs -- the bogus estimated accuracy of 30.0 meters that we see now on the Epic-- is fixed in the beta release. But to test the most serious bug -- the failure to achieve satellite lock over time because of a time-sensitive cache problem -- it will take more time and effort than these early anecdotal reports can boast. So far I have not seen any Froyo-release beta tester who seems to know how to test the GPS rigorously, and I am not risking my own phone to flash this leaked ROM.
So the overall status of the GPS is unknown, as far as I'm concerned.
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I was afraid you might see an overwhelming number of people telling you to grab an Epic and then you'd stop checking this thread.
I suggest you at least listen to my reasoning before jumping ship.
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Great. I will definetely listen. It's exactly why I posted over here.
Dear OP,
If I were in your shoe, I'd wait at least till Epic gets Froyo update. Then you can make apples to apples comparison between Epic and EVO (assuming Evo doesn't get 2.3 update).
Or better yet, if you are a bit more patient, wait till january, when HTC Knight (Speedy?) becomes available. If Knights come with 2.2, it's more likely to get updated to 2.3 than current EVO or EPIC. The general consensus here is that neither EVO or Epic will officially get updated to Gingerbread. If you don't want to be stock with TP till January, get a refurb HTC Hero from ebay for about $100.
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Dear OP,
If I were in your shoe, I'd wait at least till Epic gets Froyo update. Then you can make apples to apples comparison between Epic and EVO (assuming Evo doesn't get 2.3 update).
Or better yet, if you are a bit more patient, wait till january, when HTC Knight (Speedy?) becomes available. If Knights come with 2.2, it's more likely to get updated to 2.3 than current EVO or EPIC. The general consensus here is that neither EVO or Epic will officially get updated to Gingerbread.
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Isn't the Knight 3g only?
Just upgraded from my trusty HTC Hero, about an hour ago. I have a lot to get used to, touch wiz is a lot different than sence. Definitely faster an nicer. Next thing to do is root and get rid out the bloat!
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Just upgraded from my trusty HTC Hero, about an hour ago. I have a lot to get used to, touch wiz is a lot different than sence. Definitely faster an nicer. Next thing to do is root and get rid out the bloat!
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Get launcher po. Its like sense on steroids, and the tw notification bar with toggles is so awesome. I came from hero too.
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I might have some perspective on this question. I had a Touch Pro 2 prior to my Epic. I thought the TP2 was a great phone. Now I don't know how I ever managed with it. So point one is, EITHER the Epic or the Evo will seem like a HUGE step up.
One of the other phones on our plan is an Evo, so I've had a fair chance to experience that phone and my Epic.
I would give both very high marks, and I think that the recent rating (can't remember from what publication) that gave them number one and number two of all phones was correct.
I waited for the Epic because I was used to the keyboard on the TP2, and thought it was very necessary. However, Once I got the Epic, with Swype, I find I almost never use the keyboard. It's still handy once in a while, but now I could live without it, as long as I have Swype.
For a short while we were successful in getting Swype to work on the Evo. When it did, the Evo really would have worked for me as well as the Epic. Alas, it has not proven possible to get the program to work reliably on there.
So oddly, the phone with the keyboard doesn't really need it because it has Swype, and the phone without a keyboard doesn't have Swype, and can't seem to have it.
That comes down to the sole "real" issue for me. Both have been nearly trouble free, and Android just annihilates Windows Mobile.
Radio Shack now has the Epic for $220.00, and the Evo for $150.00. When I bought the difference was $50.00, and then they lowered it within the first 30 days, so my total difference was only $20.00. For $20.00 more, I'd say take the Epic for sure. For $70.00 more, I'd say the scale tips in favor of the Evo.
Again, they're both just great phones. I don't think you can go "wrong" with either.
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So, I have had both phones Epic & Evo. Here is my opinion about both.
Evo had a bigger screen and kickstand that I love and miss till this day. I loved the build qualitiy of the Evo, it just felt so much more durable. The evo is truly a great phone and i miss the heck outta it!
The Epic.... I love it! I love the keyboard, I tried so hard to get use to the on-screen keyboard on the EVO (even tried swype on it) and couldn't use it.. As I am a heavy texter (about 3000+ a month) the keyboard is a must for me. The screen on the Epic is well..... just EPIC! Its amazing! but then again the Evo had the bigger screen....
Both are awesome phones! If I could have both I would use the EVO to watch movies (kickstand) and to customize a lot. But I would def use the Epic as my daily phone. I strongly believe once we receive froyo there will be bigger & better things stored for us.
If you think you can live without a keyboard go for the EVO, but since your use to keyboards like the tp had then I would get the Epic.. (That is if you used it a lot?)
Like I stated both phones are great but I'd have to say Epic with the screen, keyboard & I personally think the camera quality is better on both the front and back. Defiantly the video quality is better on the Epic. 720p on the EVO looked like crap and didn't even look like 720p, the Epic is much crisp & clear IMO.
However I did miss HTC Sense (i loved the animations & clock) but with a couple apps from the market, you can make your phone feel like your using an HTC phone! Good luck on whatever you may choose, I'm sure you will be satisfied with either phone!
It took them this long to get FroYo out on ANY versions of Galaxy S hardware, we're all still on test builds... and they have Gingerbread running on the Nexus S... which is a freaking Galaxy S with a curved glass screen and NFC, a NEW piece of hardware.
So, Samsung is launch partner for Nexus S, first manufacturer with hands on Gingerbread, top in sales this year for Android, and spending millions to upgrade their phones...
Anyone wanna tell me why the f all Galaxy S phones aren't getting upgraded straight to gingerbread, before any of the other phones have a chance? Seems like they missed a boneheadedly obvious way to stage a coup on the hearts and minds of us loyal fans. Freaking Public Relations FAIL.
And I'll probably get flamed for this, and probably correctly, but just figured I'll be honest:
Last week I sold my epic and went back to Verizon, and got the Incredible. I miss the 4" screen, the ease of typing, the 4g, and the ability to easily wow people. And the Dinc's camera isn't as good.
But I don't regret it. I feel like my GS time was that of a first adopter. I paid for the wow. Since going back to DInc, I don't have as much wow time, but you know what? My GPS works as soon as I open GMaps. I don't need a hack to fix anything. My battery is only 1300mah, and doesnt last all day, but it never freaks out and drains while its asleep, or drains in two hours.
If this sounds like a rant, it's not. I loved the Epic, and the Vibrant I had first. The screen is amazing, and I waited since the HD2 for a phone bigger than 3.7 but smaller than 4.3. Samsung just needs to step up its validation, and it's support systems. The legion of Iphone fans aren't going to stick with any phone that doesn't just work.
Cue the berating for posting in the wrong section and/or movement of thread
What are you developing in this thread?
Ignoring that this is in the wrong section.
The man has a point.
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He's developing HATE! HATER!
Haha but for real, I understand what he's saying. Samsung has great hardware and $hit support/development. If it weren't for the devs on XDA, this phone would be a joke. We all just have to realize that we've already bought the phone, so they could care less about how we feel about it now.
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Quite a temper - zing!
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+1
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He wants people to hear his rant is all. All the cool people hang out at the Android Development section.
Jesus, sell the damn thing and get a phone that makes you warm and fuzzy on the inside.
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Jesus, sell the damn thing and get a phone that makes you warm and fuzzy on the inside.
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as im more likely to agree....im kind of wondering if there is a phone that does make you feel warm and fuzzy, its probally cancer, herpes, or mono. you might just wanna stick with a good phone and leave the warm and fuzzies to the adult bookstores
Now I'll be honest. I think what you spewed is complete garbage. I'm running dk28 with no issues. I didn't have issues with eclair after the updated it to fix the "capped upload" issue. So I CHOSE to update it, I didn't have to...
I don't know how someone can possibly be so impatient that they'd run away crying like a 12 year old girl with a skinned knee for an update that hasn't even had a official release date given for it (that I've ever seen anyway). So, your impatience is not a sprint/samsung issue. It's a you issue. But I guess people like you would rather throw out a buggy update to shut whiners like you up. But then I'll guarantee that'd warrant another post from you crying about it. Maybe in the themes/apps section this time?
With that being said, since you obviously don't understand forum ediquette, I'm also left to assume you screwed something up when you flashed unsupported software to your phone by not follwing instructions, or whatever the case is. And AGAIN this is something that's you're fault, not sprint/samsung.
So yeah... The devs here made my phone a lot more of a pleasure to use. But it was a great device out of the box. The best I've owned so far by a long shot.
And if you want everything to work %100 why would you flash leaked software anyway?
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Jesus, sell the damn thing and get a phone that makes you warm and fuzzy on the inside.
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Re-read what he wrote in the second post and you'll find this in the second paragraph:
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Last week I sold my epic and went back to Verizon, and got the Incredible. I miss the 4" screen, the ease of typing, the 4g, and the ability to easily wow people. And the Dinc's camera isn't as good.
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Trevor, wrong section but since it's already here I must say it's definitely a justified rant. I've personally never really had an issue with those problems because I expect them to happen when I change it from stock, but I suppose I'm the minority. A friend and I had a conversation a week ago and believed because of the Nexus S that it would be in Samsungs best interest to just release the Vanilla version of each release to the carriers and let us pick and choose which bloatware we'd like, much like what we currently do with the ROMS. It would definitely feed the 3rd party developments as well as enhance what makes the Android platform wonderful.
With that said, try to post in the right section next time =)
So OP has a DInc now? He's going to be pissing and moaning when the Galaxy S series gets Gingerbread before his phone (thank you Nexus S). I hope the DInc forum goers are extremely tolerant..
+1 OP I don't get W$F samsungs deal is? can u see dell, asus or samsung for that matter releasing a new pc last Sep & or summer with vista on it and not having any win7 drivers in 10~11/2009 ? NO u can't! But thats what samsung is almost doing hear.
A friend got a LG Optimus s (free phone btw) the gps works better than epics on 2.1. O and the free optimus has 2.2
Ya go a head and flame me idc am I ranting YES! The point is samsung is ........ no I think sprint is dragging ass on this update and it should have been on the phone a long time ago.
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trevorwhopkins said:
And I'll probably get flamed for this, and probably correctly, but just figured I'll be honest:
Last week I sold my epic and went back to Verizon, and got the Incredible. I miss the 4" screen, the ease of typing, the 4g, and the ability to easily wow people. And the Dinc's camera isn't as good.
But I don't regret it. I feel like my GS time was that of a first adopter. I paid for the wow. Since going back to DInc, I don't have as much wow time, but you know what? My GPS works as soon as I open GMaps. I don't need a hack to fix anything. My battery is only 1300mah, and doesnt last all day, but it never freaks out and drains while its asleep, or drains in two hours.
If this sounds like a rant, it's not. I loved the Epic, and the Vibrant I had first. The screen is amazing, and I waited since the HD2 for a phone bigger than 3.7 but smaller than 4.3. Samsung just needs to step up its validation, and it's support systems. The legion of Iphone fans aren't going to stick with any phone that doesn't just work.
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Have you ever thought that the Incredible had bugs when it first came out. Really the Epic is only 2 months old while the incredible came out at April. And also Iphone 4 came out with a serious flaw of "holding the phone wrong" and Iphone users still stick with it.
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Re-read what he wrote in the second post and you'll find this in the second paragraph:
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Oh, in that case, I'll amend my comment to the OP to say: Jesus, STFU, nobody cares.
zman519 said:
see dell, asus or samsung for that matter releasing a new pc last Sep & or summer with vista on it and not having any win7 drivers in 10~11/2009 ? NO u can't!
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I really hope that is sarcasm... I've seen this happen dozens if times.
Let's keep the flamming down to a minimum...
On another note, keep out of the development section if you aren't developing. Thanks!
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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t.lynn.c said:
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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jesus do you even read what people say or just regurgitate stuff...
Apparently not why don't you explain to me what I missed?
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Alright, I'll bite.
most of us did not buy our epic's having seen a forum full of people dissatisfied with samsung's ability to upgrade their phones. I for one bought my phone on launch day. August 31st 2010. It was a sunny day, there was a nice breeze. I was young without a care in the world. I saw a phone with very formidable hardware and better yet, a promise from samsung that the device would see 2.2 in the very "near" future.
Now I don't know what you paid for your phone, but I paid retail price plus tax. If I had known I was actually paying for an education about what it exactly it means to buy a samsung phone I would have looked elsewhere.
that being said, theres one thing I can't stand and that is people such as yourself who waited until after people bought the phone and realized that and official update in a timely fashion not likely, accepted that risk, and then come here to rub it in the face of those who care about things like kernel sources, and custom roms to tell us about how we should all be as smart as you with your divine phone selecting savvy. I can't say that I speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself when I tell you sincerely to gtfo.
yours truly, cozmonot
Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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I agree in that people complaining here doesn't really accomplish much. Apologies, I probably shouldn't reply to threads when I'm angry and tired.
I think we need to make our voice heard by sprint and samsung if we want things to actually happen, and complaining to people in the same position can't make things any better. just look at the vibrant owners who threatened a lawsuit and got the mainstream blogs to post about the vibrant not having froyo, didnt they get the update like a week later? I agree with what you said in your second post and I wish I had known about what I was getting myself into back in August when i signed on the dotted line.
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Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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OMGrant this is very true I should probably keep my mouth shut sometimes but its just not easy and that's where the rant part came in...
Rygran87 I really don't know what to say about your unfulfilled promises you must have been happy with the samsung moment to buy another samsung tho...
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
It was my first Android. It was cool at first, but just wanted FroYo and refused to get the Evo because the screen sucks and no keyboard.
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Protoroll said:
I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
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I would have to say my favorite part about what you said was when you said Froyo for vibrant was rushed and has bugs. Because that could be us, we could have a rushed crappy edition of froyo. I understand that it makes it better and we can't do somthings without but if your life won't go on because you can't play some game on your phone (unless somehow you've got a job doing mobile gaming) then it might be time to look at some new hobbies or just pay your way out of contract so you can go get a phone with froyo that will make you happy as a little kid in a candy shop. But it must not be that bad if your willing to wait it out and hope one day you will wake up and see an OTA.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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You are very right as far as being able to pay for updates I was just meaning more of on a free level for that analogy, but yes very good point. And I too hope that it will someday be that easy.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
Protoroll said:
About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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I never said there was an excuse for it but I do like your note, bc that was one thing I was trying to get at in my original statement is topic after topic about how we don't have 2.2. And I said earlier to a guy its not the people such as yourself that have had th phone and been expecting the update its ppl that haven't had their phone long and are starting thread after thread asking or complaining about 2.2.
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rygran87 said:
Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
Quis89 said:
You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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I decided to get THIS phone for the desired features AND the promise of 4G and 2.2 before the ed of the year. While you are entitled to your opinions, I certainly don't appreciate labeling and especially not when you do it from the safety of your keyboard. It just isn't called for.
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I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.
People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...
And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...
I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.
Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.