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Hello Everyone,
I would like to applaud DZO, Mssmison, Vilord, fOObar, Zenulator, SrWalter and any other prognators of the Android Port for a couple different HTC devices. Its a growing concern that we are clogging up the sections dedicated for the WinMo versions of these devices with our Android porting threads. Its been a nice place for us to research and discuss the Android ports for our phones but I must confessed that its getting cluttered in there. I was proposing that we have a new section opened up for Android Porting and subsections for each model of phone that WIP has begun and is usable.
With this implemented in the XDA forums, I believe that there will be more spotlight on the accomplishments so far and open the road for speedier developments on the Android Porting field so that we have more options in the future for which OS we run on our smartphones instead of the one shipped by the manufacture.
I believe in Android on being the next dominent platform for mobile OS due to its lightweight nature, open-sourced, multi-device configurations and powerful tools that come from Google and the beloved community of developers here. I see in the next year Android sales topping those of the crappy Blackberry OS, the cool yet non-functional iPhone OS and the oldschool inadated Windows Mobile OS.
All you have to do is reply to this thread just saying you would like to see this happen.
Thanks Everyone,
Tallnerd
P.S.
Please dont use this thread for FAQs or medium talk.
heck yeah dude this is the best thing to come to the vogue!
+1 for android section on XDA
I, the undersigned, agree to this.
make it so
I agree. It would be nice to have all the android stuff in one place insted of scattered between the various phone's forums.
+1 for Android section
XJamezelle
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It is your destiny. +1
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Hahahaha, thank you all for your support in this project and so far the progress is good so please keep up the good work and sign your name.
Would be great to have a section for Android dev - anything to help keep the development momentum going.
+1 An Android Section would be great.
Yes, a MUCH needed thing. The ports are great, but for a month it seems like they have dominated the Vogue section
I totally agree. It's stepped away from normal development and taken on it's own life.
+ 1, would help cross-furtulize development and respondto commen user questions ..
This is it?? Come on people, we need to get more signatures than this.
I whole-heatedly agree! +1
Has anyone directly contacted the admin(s)? I feel like the popularity of the multiple development threads is proof enough that an Android division of the Vogue section would be worthwhile.
I agree, but I also think that as well as a general section we need a "Vogue Android Development" subforum like the native android devices have.
+1 to dzos suggestion. +1 to a new forum space as a whole.
just my +2.
Heyho fellas!
As this is my second post.. and first thread.. I would like to take a second to introduce myself a bit
As my nick states I call myself "Puenos", and after visiting this place for quite a while, I've finally decided to register here too!
Enough chitchat, here's my [Q]:
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I've recently read quite a lot about ppl asking for a port of WinMo for Android..and after some reading I realised something..
Besides those simple answers asking ppl WHY somebody would want that, most arguments where about how legit it was.. Because WinMo is closed source..
Well... I'm no dev or anything like that.. I'm simple wondering about a few ppl, their ideas and find myself thinking about something abstract myself.. sooo...
QUESTION:
What do you think about ports of
Basilisk II - an Open Source 68k Macintosh emulator
--> There's even a port for Sony PSP and it's quite fun to use it
and before you ask..
AFAIK! Apple provides downloads for the old classic system discs without any charges legally! (correct me if I'm wrong pls..)
Link would be basilisk.cebix.net/
Maemo/MeeGo - an open source, Linux project
-->As Nokia is about to lauch their first MeeGo-Device I would believe it's quite an interesting idea
Link would be meego.com/about
Windows Mobile/Windows Mobile 7
--> Yeahyeah, I know.. closed source and well.. but there are already some Windows Mobile emus on the net I believe? Some even written in Java?
So there would exist a possibility to optimize Android's Java-Engine.. I mean.. the apps converting Java-files to Android-APK for more convient use so it would be possible to port some Java-emus?
I couldn't find the link to the Java-emulator now.. but by searching, I found this:
Link: downloadsquad.com/2008/03/02/microsoft-device-emulator-lets-you-run-windows-mobile-6-on-your/
So there seems to be an application for Windows to be called "Microsoft Device Emulator" which let's you test WinMo-Apps on your PC by emulating a WinMo-Device! Microsoft also seems to provide some ROM-Image to use for this Device Emulator as seen here:
Link: microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=38c46aa8-1dd7-426f-a913-4f370a65a582&DisplayLang=en
Again.. I know WinMo is not open source.. but as Microsoft seems to provide those ROMs.. I wonder if it's legit to use those ROMs to test a self-written or ported emulator for e.g. Android?
x86
Uh... there was a port of Bochs/Qemu for Android some while ago.. but the "port" was rather a proof of concept I think?
There was not much for me to do, using this port I got the same error messages I got using Dosbox, which I thought where problems due to usage of the DOS-environment..which I hoped to escape using this "Bochs/Qemu"-port..
But there's also a Java-emu for x86 architecture...called JPC!
More some kind of proof of concept too, but really interesting! At least for me!
But I somehow don't get along with FreeDOS...and can't seem to boot DSL, even though the applet on their website showed it working... but oh well..
Also, I was wondering if it's possible to run more Linux distros on Android using Bochs/Qemu.. but can't seem to get it to work by now...
Maybe it's just my fault :/
Bochs/Qemu for Android: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=692682
JPC- Java x86 VM: jpc.sourceforge.net/home_home.html
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Well... that are my 0.02$.. Again.. I'm not a dev..nor do I have the massive knowledge other ppl have here.. Just thought I share some ideas and hope some ppl might find themself interested in working on something.. not necessaryly ports, stable emus are enough work I believe.. But yeah.. here you go!
Oh and well.. just for the people asking "why would you want that? WinMo/Linux/Whoeva is fo da **** 'n Android is da best, yo!" who seem to be present here..
Why not? This place is called "xda-DEVELOPERS" Why joining a website/community when you're not interested in changing/experimenting?
I believe that some people here should be more open to various things.. If you don't want to change a thing on your device.. why going through the effort even reading some topics here or buy such a versatile phone? Just use your old Nokia and play "snake" and call ppl &write messages!
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Uh and yeah.. I'm sorry if I did anything wrong.. used "search" and most infos are from this pages.. so I don't really think I've digged something old closed up again... and yeah.. links.. are not links without permission I do not have (new user and such ;3) but I hope the linked pages are alright to be linked.. if not.. I'm sorry guys
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So... I'm interested in your opinion! What do you guys think?
Actually the reason why I open this thread is wanna remind all the users in the forum...Please just don't waiting for new builds everyday and forget the developers that do coding behind the scene...without their works,there is no android chef or build until now...Although htc linux devs are not working on this for donation...however,hope everyone here...can contribute anything to them: appreacition,gratitude,or maybe pennies...
dcordes said:
Development thread for Linux on the HTC HD2
PLEASE READ THE FAQ BEFORE POSTING QUESTIONS
Introduction:
To run any Linux based user space on a device -this includes android, debian, ubuntu, openembedded, etc- you need a working Linux kernel.
This thread discusses the development on Linux kernel and user space on the HTC HD2.
All android ports to windows phones are based on the efforts of porting the Linux kernel to these devices. This is what all the porting is about. Nobody is porting Google Android to these phones. It works already.
Contributing:
This is not a secret club. All source code and development information is publicly available. Everybody who is willing to contribute is free to join the development process.
People working on porting Linux to HD2:
You can donate to the developers putting a lot of time into this Linux kernel port.
(putting together android files is not the porting)
cr2
NetRipper
dcordes
Markinus
LeTama
Cotulla
dan1j3l- Follow at here
Parad0XUA
manusfreedom- Follow at here
Technical information for interested people:
General Developer Information:
http://htc-linux.org/
Leo/HD2 Wikipage
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo
Leo/HD2 Linux Kernel:
git://git.linuxtogo.org/home/groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git htc-msm-2.6.32
gitweb: http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-msm-2.6.32
Patches welcome!!
How to compile the Kernel:
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=QuickDeveloperStartGuide#Kernel
=> use htc-msm-2.6.32 branch and htcleo machine type
How to contribute: (Please be aware that this is primarily for developers!)
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Contact
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Follow the chat log here
and see what developers are doing....PLEASE DON"T INTERRUPT...
#htc-linux(room)- mostly for developers to discuss the porting stuffs
#htc-linux-chat- mostly for beta testers and chefs, or maybe noobies
Cheers...developers...Love you all...bringing every posibility to reality...Thanks again...Please support our devs...
I'm sure we wont see any "I wants" in this post. They will stay far far far away when its about given up money.
I support dcordes and cotulla and letama and all the other names that are to long for me to spell this late at night lol.
I am working my way around to all of them.
hazard99 said:
I'm sure we wont see any "I wants" in this post. They will stay far far far away when its about given up money.
I support dcordes and cotulla and letama and all the other names that are to long for me to spell this late at night lol.
I am working my way around to all of them.
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Hi,mate..thanks for your support...haha...nevermind just keep this thread open...Since there are many new users in this forum, hope they can understand how hard to port a non-native OS to a device...It is much harder than cooking a rom...and i heard that Dcordes said he maybe gonna release his own build...don't know how it gonna looks like...finger crossed...thats gonna be awesome...
I do hate people that assume the devs just sit behind their PC's 24/7 working on this, they have a life, let them do it at their own pace.
On another note, whats the main language they have to code in?
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I do hate people that assume the devs just sit behind their PC's 24/7 working on this, they have a life, let them do it at their own pace.
On another note, whats the main language they have to code in?
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Same here...Many people just assume devs working on this non-stop, and now another situation has occurred, many users just keep waiting for new builds and donate to chefs...most of them totally forgot how hard for the devs to fix those bugs,get LED,WIFI TETHER,TS....etc...everything....working on our lovely hd2 android...
kernel is the most important part in the development progress but cooking is also important
Here are the donation links for top devs.
Taken from [Discussion]Linux and Android on the HD2 Post 1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719646
dcordes:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=NF3YYSMALGXUJ
cotulla:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=3C7JC3YZYBU2U
netripper:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
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Here are the donation links for top devs.
Taken from [Discussion]Linux and Android on the HD2 Post 1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719646
dcordes:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=NF3YYSMALGXUJ
cotulla:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=3C7JC3YZYBU2U
netripper:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
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Good job..mate...haha,I'm busy recently, thats why I dont have time to link the donation link to here...thanks a lot...
There are many users making builds and I believe we should try many different builds. Even if we can't make donations we can give recognition, feedback and praise to the people for their hard work. Chefs do this for a hobby and I believe that some recognition goes a long way.
no we do not want "many different builds" because this is just a confusion for everyone! instead everything should be in 1 maybe 2 builds of 2.2 froyo with different home screen options. now anyone with 1 hour of free time can make a build that is EXACTLY the same as the one before or outdated, just it doesnt have battery widget or twitter app. Thats sucks!
Also updating first post would be convinient since you (Sylau90) "do not let" other ppl to make new threads. Also thread title sucks.
People working on porting Linux to HD2:
You can donate to the developers putting a lot of time into this Linux kernel port.
(putting together android files is not the porting)
cr2
NetRipper
dcordes
Markinus
LeTama
Cotulla
dan1j3l
Parad0XUA
manusfreedom
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no we do not want "many different builds" because this is just a confusion for everyone! instead everything should be in 1 maybe 2 builds of 2.2 froyo with different home screen options. now anyone with 1 hour of free time can make a build that is EXACTLY the same as the one before or outdated, just it doesnt have battery widget or twitter app. Thats sucks!
Also updating first post would be convinient since you (Sylau90) "do not let" other ppl to make new threads. Also thread title sucks.
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Come on guys...bump this to first page....sorry for no update...got exams recently...
i never understood why the other devs on the list didnt disclose their paypals other that three , or they just didnt let them ?
Hello everybody.
I know that Cotulla has developed already his own Bootloader but I think it would be the best if we could use one Bootloader who are OpenSource so everyone could work on it !!
Now I searched for some Informations and found these very interested Article:
little-kernel-based-android-bootloader/
Here a little summary of the Article and basic Informations:
The bootloader does the basic task of hardware initialization, reading the Linux kernel & ramdisk from nand device and loading it up to RAM, setting up initial registers and command line arguments for Linux kernel and jumps to the kernel.
In context of support for Qualcomm chipsets and Android, the bootloader currently supports:
* Variety of nand devices for bootup
* USB driver to enable upgrading images over usb during development
* Keypad driver to enable developers enter ‘fastboot’ mode for image upgrades
* Display driver for debugging and splash screen
* Enable Android recovery image and image upgrades
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Now we have to find some Persons who would help to develop little Bootloader !
Here are some thing who we are needing:
How to build Bootloader ??
How to build flashable Version of Bootloader ??
I think the first Point of work are to know how we could build Programm which are we could dump into "NBH-Files" to let us flash it ??
I hope that we could find some Persons who would help me with these Project !!
Greeetz Oliver
do you even know how to program in the first place?
This serves no practical application whatsoever.
Cotulla has already written a perfectly functional bootloader that can boot Android, WM6.5.x, and WP7. What is an open source version going to give us that this one doesn't. Let's all redo everything he just did, only not as good, so we can say it's "open source".
This isn't an OS, nor a kernel, nor anything other than a bootloader, it makes no sense to spend months redoing something in the name of open source when that isn't going to help us at all. Cotulla is probably the only person who could do such a thing anyways. How do I know this? Well, he's the only person who HAS done it. We don't even need the source code for this thing honestly. It's like messing with the source code for HSPL, there's no need. Once it's done, it's done, and no one knows that stuff better than Cotulla anyways.
What exactly are you looking to accomplish here?
Im an HD2 user and very interested in nand for HD2, as many others users, i really want to install android on nand. As i know, the android for HD2 now is ready, we are only waiting for bootloaded, but I feel that it takes forever for waiting this thing.
sorry for my bad english
Better to wait a while for the bootloader and have it built and tested right. If it is released early it has the protential to brick a lot of phones properly as it will be replacing the orgional bootloader. Be patient people, the devs are doing an amazing job!
OK now I read that nobody seems to be interested and we have to used Cotullas Bootloader I personaly break at this point and says thanks for the comments !!
MOD Please Close this Thread !!!
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This serves no practical application whatsoever.
Cotulla has already written a perfectly functional bootloader that can boot Android, WM6.5.x, and WP7. What is an open source version going to give us that this one doesn't. Let's all redo everything he just did, only not as good, so we can say it's "open source".
This isn't an OS, nor a kernel, nor anything other than a bootloader, it makes no sense to spend months redoing something in the name of open source when that isn't going to help us at all. Cotulla is probably the only person who could do such a thing anyways. How do I know this? Well, he's the only person who HAS done it. We don't even need the source code for this thing honestly. It's like messing with the source code for HSPL, there's no need. Once it's done, it's done, and no one knows that stuff better than Cotulla anyways.
What exactly are you looking to accomplish here?
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With such highly lyrical appraisal, I guess you must have MAGLDR flashed on your phone..?
Cotulla has been criticized by several developpers as talented as he is for keeping his bootloader closed source, even if it's his right. The point? His source code could inspire other devs working on other devices. So making a new bootloader out of scratch may be tough, I think personally that it's a good intitiative.
Without knowing everything at stake, what were you trying to accomplish here anyway?
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With such highly lyrical appraisal, I guess you must have MAGLDR flashed on your phone..?
Cotulla has been criticized by several developpers as talented as he is for keeping his bootloader closed source, even if it's his right. The point? His source code could inspire other devs working on other devices. So making a new bootloader out of scratch may be tough, I think personally that it's a good intitiative.
Without knowing everything at stake, what were you trying to accomplish here anyway?
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Well I'm certainly entitled to my opinion, just as you are.
It seems fruitless to me for someone to take months to develop an open source version of a bootloader already developed.
The developers' time could be better spent on things as yet undeveloped.
I am sure that if developers on other devices want some help, Cotulla would be willing to help them on IRC anyways.
I have not seen actual developers criticize Cotulla for not releasing his source code for magldr, only a few forum members who have not developed anything.
The developers I have seen have all praised him for creating the bootloader, porting WP7, helping with NAND development and other feats.
Maybe I missed something...
Honestly it's not the worst idea even and I do see theoretically someone might want to attempt it, it just seems like a horrendous waste of time and it seems the best developers on this site have day jobs and I don't see them spending their free time redeveloping something in the name of open source.
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Well I'm certainly entitled to my opinion, just as you are.
It seems fruitless to me for someone to take months to develop an open source version of a bootloader already developed.
The developers' time could be better spent on things as yet undeveloped.
I am sure that if developers on other devices want some help, Cotulla would be willing to help them on IRC anyways.
I have not seen actual developers criticize Cotulla for not releasing his source code for magldr, only a few forum members who have not developed anything.
The developers I have seen have all praised him for creating the bootloader, porting WP7, helping with NAND development and other feats.
Maybe I missed something...
Honestly it's not the worst idea even and I do see theoretically someone might want to attempt it, it just seems like a horrendous waste of time and it seems the best developers on this site have day jobs and I don't see them spending their free time redeveloping something in the name of open source.
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You surely did miss something, it happened on htc_linux IRC chat, several times.
The problem is that MAGLDR is not out yet , and anything can happen today or tomorrow forcing DFT team to drop the project suddenly, sending all the work on NAND drivers LeTama, Gauner1986 and others did go to garbage.
The fact that one person has full hand to such a project has its pros, for it can be dangerous to deliver a bootloader that might brick phones everywhere around the globe out of the blue, and cons, since no one knows what may happen to threaten the project life.
So I think an alternative is welcome, and the point I agree with you, is that it should have come really earlier, like 2 or 3 months ago...but never too late it is friend.
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You surely did miss something, it happened on htc_linux IRC chat, several times.
The problem is that MAGLDR is not out yet , and anything can happen today or tomorrow forcing DFT team to drop the project suddenly, sending all the work on NAND drivers LeTama, Gauner1986 and others did go to garbage.
The fact that one person has full hand to such a project has its pros, for it can be dangerous to deliver a bootloader that might brick phones everywhere around the globe out of the blue, and cons, since no one knows what may happen to threaten the project life.
So I think an alternative is welcome, and the point I agree with you, is that it should have come really earlier, like 2 or 3 months ago...but never too late it is friend.
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I think Cotulla has got MAGLDR im not to sure but from my point of view,ide much rather wait for him to do it and have it done properly as he knows what hes doing rether than someone else do it and not having it work 100%.Cotulla has put an awfull lot of time and effort into sorting out this NAND and it will come,we just be all patient but when it does come,our device will be truelly awsome,having the abillity to boot 3 or more Os,itle deffienetly give our HD2 a couple of more years life before we get somin else,its been a while in the making and i reckon we could see it be released early next year.Well as the saying goes,all good things come to those who wait
Just wow again. I am always amazed at how impatient people reason...it is so...one sided.
It is the ethical responsibility of anyone making an offering to the public free or otherwise to deliver a product that is not harmful or damaging. If I started giving out free hot dogs on the corner, and warned the public that they MIGHT get e-coli if they eat it, how long do you think I would last before I was shut down for endangering the public...? Even with inanimate objects people have lost in court for damaging property with a faulty product that was given away for free.
If MAGLDR had been released and it was faulty this place would be inundated with complaint after complaint by the same people who are moaning because it is not out yet.
The OP's reasoning is WAY out there! Hmm I want a Playstation 4 , but it has not been released and who knows what is happening with it or when it will be out, so we should get a group and do this ourselves...
All I need is...
1. Someone to design it
2. Someone to build it
Really we get the right people, we could do it!
Gee. Original. Well covered. You are a project manager aren't you?
Excuse me, I need to go clean up some of this sarcasm.
J
Guys, this isn't a topic for your opinions. If you have something constructive to add to the topic of the thread, please do so, if not, I'll remind you that this is a developers forum and no matter how frivoulous an attempt you think it might be, it still has a place at XDA.
Locking this up as per OP's request.
Hi. Thinking about CPU and the big screen, I think it will be very nice to have Ubuntu in Adam. What do you think?
Also I won't want to lose Eden. So I think we need something like HTC HD2 owners have. (They can start Ubuntu from the SD card like they opening a normal application as far as I saw) What do you think? Can it be possible for our Adam tablet too?
Anything is possible just put ur mind into it
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It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
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It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
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Please let me know when a good solution is found. I am keen to have it on my Adam.
That way, I don't need to worry about the warranty issue?
I would love to see this too. Really hope that some developer here can port the ubuntu to Adam. Please please please please
Why will you install Ubuntu on Adam? Is the new Maverick Meerkat fully mature on the touchscreen?
A lot of stuff needed here. I'll make a place holder in Development section with some necessary steps and such.
If anyone wants to make this happen though we need Eden Plus to be successful as full root and unlock will be required. Help out with that process first and then we can focus on Ubuntu.
if you install natty dont forget to pin libc6 to 2.12
Ubuntu port on Adam
Check this one if it helps...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931214
Also, I saw some activity regarding Ubuntu port to Adam on NIH and tabletroms, some while ago.
Lets hope that this comes together eventually. I'd love to try it out on Adam
Hi, I too am waiting to see the development move ahead. It seems the attention is on Honeycomb these days.
$25 for the person recognized as having ported Ubuntu successfully on the Adam, either here or on TabletROMs.
kinda tired of android
I'm kinda tired of android. I just got an HP Veer and webOS is pretty nice. Only issues I have had so far is posting to message boards like what am doing right now. I got through it but had some trouble. Sorry off topic
I have loaded ubuntu onto my adam following the steps on the dev thread. I can't post there because I new here. Well I'm not new here I just don't post much. I've been reading posts for six months now but rules must be followed! Again off topic.
Ubuntu works. I have a question. I was trying to install a USB ethernet device and ran
Code:
modprobe --list
and came up with
Code:
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.9/modules.dep
I looked and only found a /lib/modules/2.6.32-1208-omap4 directory. I might have screwed up a symlink and I was hoping someone could let me know where the modules.dep file should link to.
Still waiting for tillum, rayman and paronnax to resume their work on ubuntu, especially now that nVIDIA have released the first alpha of Linux4Tegra 12, based on Natty.
I read this post by Tillum on the Ubuntu Methods development thread.
It is very disheartening to note that developers have lost interest, but that was inevitable given the low volumes and disappointment associated with the tablets. On the other hand, quite a few of us users are interested in getting a real operating system on the Adam.
I am sure that any successful port would be easily transferable to other Tegra 2 devices as well, and so efforts won't be wasted.
If we can help in any way, just let us know.