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[Collaborative ROM] Android 2.2 Yogurt

We must wait the AOSP stable release of Android 2.2 Froyo. After, we can start.
Official site out now: Yogurt official site
Visit the official site for all news and informations about this project.
News:
19/06: The FRF72 Froyo Beta is out for the Nexus One.
19/06: New changes on the site by Sherry123.
18/06: +500 visitors on the official site. Thanks everybody.
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i think it s a very GOOD idea !!!
every body work on 2.1 , but if every one goes on this idea , i think we can try froyo
a unique and comon good rom
but is every developer are going to work in a same and good rom ???? that is the question
they all have a good experience in 2.1 so why not a 2.2 ..... now

As far as I can tell this is allready happening with the abyzou rom. I recon 5-6 ppl are working on it, or atleast they have been.
2.1 that is, and so far it works perfectly with the exception of the camera, being worked on though

I can help make web.

where have u seen many artists painting one peace of art?
Programming is like an art! Everyone have it own style! I doubt it would be possible to make such a team, as everyone would like to put something from his own in it, while other one wouldn't like it!
Some developer can help other, like someone could help abyzou rom to get camera and sens! Then the person who helped could use working camera/sens for his own rom.

i can be one of your testers and if i've time i can try to study something to let it work on froyo

Work in such kind of things in teams its very hard if there is no leadder,no competiton and more than 2 or 3 people.
Frist of all the leadder has to set the objectives and asign each team member a work.
As i can see in the forum there is a big
cooperative spirit and i can asume than all of you visit tattoo forums frok your contries.
We are a lot of people.
We need someone to lead all of us, someone testing, programming or weathever...
But for teamworking is better to own a laedder.

t0nil0 said:
Work in such kind of things in teams its very hard if there is no leadder,no competiton and more than 2 or 3 people.
Frist of all the leadder has to set the objectives and asign each team member a work.
As i can see in the forum there is a big
cooperative spirit and i can asume than all of you visit tattoo forums frok your contries.
We are a lot of people.
We need someone to lead all of us, someone testing, programming or weathever...
But for teamworking is better to own a laedder.
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I agree.
I will make team for making colaborative ROM. Just create the rules.

i'm here

ikxdf has just made a 2.1 nearly completely functional. Support him now and then we all could work on a 2.2 porting

I m ok for testing every thing
got tattoo and teamviewer for help ........
can format for windows or ubuntu ......
with froyo , we could have google earth on tattoo lol !!! nice

I can be the "leader", but i don't want to give orders.
But, i think the ROM must be basic...
Basic, i want to say no more apps installed (as Twitter, ...) just, basic apps.
Then, i think we cam make a team with a lot of developers even if each developer has his way of...
The Tattoo community is welded, i'm sure of that.
But everyone must play a whole...
What do you think honestly about that?
I'll modify first post if people are ok for try this big project...

I m ok for that
i have not lot "competences" but can help with the few one ......

so we got a leadder (gabsx23)
i thnik that your mission is give peaople work to do.
and fix the priority objectives, a kind of primary mission.
as the itilian developers team (alberto, ikxdf ... you know them all) is finish right now the eclair version (its awesome guys) i would focus on froyo...
i propose as primmary mission to do a bootable version of froyo...
what dou you think guys?
and gabsx ,it would be great to start with creating a froyo rom post start as soon as possible in a tiddy way.
(im sorry for my bad english...)
well dudes... lets start.

will you start from N1 update.zip?

We can but it's not the good release...
The good version of Froyo coming soon (Google say ^^).
But we can start with an other 2.2 official ROM and wait.
I just want already to make a good team for preparing that.
Do you think is it a good idea?

Yes, why do the job 2 times? better waiting for the "real" stable version..

francians said:
Yes, why do the job 2 times? better waiting for the "real" stable version..
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Yes i think too

Would like to help, but why don't you wait until the froyo source comes out??

For already create and prepare a team for develop directly a good ROM with many people who want stable Froyo on Tattoo...
I don't know if you understand me? lol

What to do using unsupported Rom?

Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
I'm using an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
Yes I'm using Cronos Froyo, and I'm an honest user who doesn't care much for xda forums politics.
I've read the comments that the moderators have written in the thread and whilst I understand what they have written, do end users really have to suffer because of a dispute between developers?
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
Also, I wonder if the xda moderators have consulted laywers about the GPL as it is a legal document and thus won't be as black and white as it seems. A lot of companies behave not dissimilarly to feeyo and survive the threat of any action.
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.

plonkersaurus said:
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
I'm using an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
Yes I'm using Cronos Froyo, and I'm an honest user who doesn't care much for xda forums politics.
I've read the comments that the moderators have written in the thread and whilst I understand what they have written, do end users really have to suffer because of a dispute between developers?
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
Also, I wonder if the xda moderators have consulted laywers about the GPL as it is a legal document and thus won't be as black and white as it seems. A lot of companies behave not dissimilarly to feeyo and survive the threat of any action.
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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I believe he still releases in his forum - just do a google search

nope, it seems his account has been suspended on the domain, not good.

plonkersaurus said:
sing an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
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There's AOSP ROMs. Without even plugging my own, there's the Fusion project for a start.

Froyd and Fusion are Cyanogen based roms which I've tried and don't work so well for me.
I'd count them as Vanilla roms not AOSP

Dude. You might as well turn xda into thepiratebay.Breaking a software licence is illegal no matter if the software is proprietary or open source.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

plonkersaurus said:
Froyd and Fusion are Cyanogen based roms which I've tried and don't work so well for me.
I'd count them as Vanilla roms not AOSP
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The only non AOSP thing about them is:
They include Google Apps
They include proprietary libs grabbed from the phone to make the phone work.
Guess what, that's what AOSP ROMs do too, the ones released here anyway, since they're largely unusable without Google Apps (Market, etc) and the libs needed to make the phone work.
If you want plain AOSP, you better have an ADP1, ADP2 or a Nexus One. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP Hero ROM.
What people mean when they refer to AOSP, is they yanked the git straight from Android and compiled it for X phone, adding in whatever apps along with the Google apps and the prop libs.
Cyanogenmod is also AOSP in that same sense. Only there's a ton of people working on the repo and fixing stuff that Android don't or haven't yet.
If you've run into a CM based ROM that doesn't work well for you then it's still down to the builder. Chances are if they made an "AOSP" ROM, it'd be even worse.

I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.

Hacre said:
The only non AOSP thing about them is:
They include Google Apps
They include proprietary libs grabbed from the phone to make the phone work.
Guess what, that's what AOSP ROMs do too, the ones released here anyway, since they're largely unusable without Google Apps (Market, etc) and the libs needed to make the phone work.
If you want plain AOSP, you better have an ADP1, ADP2 or a Nexus One. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP Hero ROM.
What people mean when they refer to AOSP, is they yanked the git straight from Android and compiled it for X phone, adding in whatever apps along with the Google apps and the prop libs.
Cyanogenmod is also AOSP in that same sense. Only there's a ton of people working on the repo and fixing stuff that Android don't or haven't yet.
If you've run into a CM based ROM that doesn't work well for you then it's still down to the builder. Chances are if they made an "AOSP" ROM, it'd be even worse.
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Cyanogenmod roms change a lot more things than just needed to get android working properly and I'm not a huge fan of all the changes

plonkersaurus said:
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
.....
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
.....
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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1... Switch to another ROM, or stick with what you have, they are your two options.
2... No, other devs do not have a "donators only beta testing section", and regardless if they did or not, I think you need to go and re-read all the info the mods have given about the GPL issue before adding your 2 pence worth.
3... I owe feeyo nothing. He may have produced ROMS, but contribute to the community he did not.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

plonkersaurus said:
I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
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Hahaha what. Being a developer doesn't mean you "get" the point of the GPL. Plenty of developers over at Microsoft don't "get" it. That doesn't make it any less valid.
In fact your entire post just screams "I do not understand open source development, what on Earth is wrong with people doing stuff themselves and hoarding it".
The "pioneering development" as you put it doesn't happen by individuals because it happens in groups. You know, lots of minds working towards a common goal.
Jesus on a bike.
EDIT: woah..
plonkersaurus said:
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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I missed this when I first read the OP. Hahaha no he wasn't. Battery life has to be one of the most done to death topics on these forums and do you know what? Your battery life is solely dependent on you the phone user, providing of course the developer or the cooker hasn't done something utterly retarded to the ROM that causes battery to run down.
Until Froyo was released, Cronos wasn't even a compiled ROM it was a precompiled Sense ROM and as such subject to all the whims of the HTC base that the rest of us were.
Oh and I don't owe him anything. Never used his ROM, never benefited from what he apparently gave back to the community (nothing). He owed me and whomever else asked him for it, source code, which happened to be the one thing he never once provided while being happy to make use of source code provided by others.

Hacre said:
Hahaha what. Being a develloper doesn't mean you "get" the point of the GPL. Plenty of developers over at Microsoft don't "get" it. That doesn't make it any less valid.
In fact your entire post just screams "I do not understand open source development, what on Earth is wrong with people doing stuff themselves and hoarding it".
The "pioneering development" as you put it doesn't happen by individuals because it happens in groups. You know, lots of minds working towards a common goal.
Jesus on a bike.
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I didn't mention GPL anywhere in my post.
I mentioned that I wouldn't help this community due to the fact people would be accepting donations for what would be in part my work which I think is immoral.
That is what my post was about.
Plus I think you will find Linus wrote Linux by himself so individuals are capable of greatness.

plonkersaurus said:
Plus I think you will find Linus wrote Linux by himself so individuals are capable of greatness.
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Re check your history. Linus did not write Linux by himself. He wrote the first kernel by himself. Linux wasn't truly born until he released it along with the source code and people started fixing it, writing drivers for it and writing coreutils/toolchains around it. It didn't approach anything like popular until it got x86 support and the kernel reached a level of maturity in the 2.0.x releases. Collaborative development/debugging. It's an amazing thing. Stunted quickly by the "I will not share" attitude that you're defending and supporting.
I am genuinely curious as to how you can guarantee that people will receive donations for your work. Or why you'd even care. My kernel source tree is used by others, I don't lose a wink of sleep over whether they get donations for their finished ROM or not, it doesn't matter.
Donations are just that, donations. They are not a fee. They are not someone taking someone else's work and then charging for it. They're something that an individual feels that they want to give to someone out of the kindness of their hearts as a thank you as well as the fact that donations are quite a rarity.
I got my first donation today. It'll buy me a few beers. It won't make me rich. I got it for my work on the kernel and my work on the Villain 2.2 ROMs. Have a guess how many people at Villain are now pissy that I got a donation and not the project itself. None. Have a guess how many GNU developers are now hand wringing themselves with pure fret because some guy got bought a beer for some work he did on their code. None.
You didn't have to mention the GPL in your post. The GPL is why these ridiculous threads keep springing up, it was the GPL and the failure to adhere to it, that got Feeyo canned.
People with your attitude toward community development have no place on these forums. Kindly take the door that has a Feeyo shaped hole in it.

plonkersaurus said:
I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
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If you don't want to share then Android is not for you.
And why the big deal about asking for donations. Its not free to run a site. And a donation is hardly mandatory, the clue is in the name, no-one was bent over and forced to do anything they never wanted to.
I have used Villain on and off since Feb and haven't donated a penny.
.... and Batman? Really? Yes he makes the decisions that no one else can, for the greater good, the bigger picture... he doesn't play hero just to boost his own ego.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

Hacre said:
EDIT: woah..
I missed this when I first read the OP. Hahaha no he wasn't. Battery life has to be one of the most done to death topics on these forums and do you know what? Your battery life is solely dependent on you the phone user, providing of course the developer or the cooker hasn't done something utterly retarded to the ROM that causes battery to run down.
Until Froyo was released, Cronos wasn't even a compiled ROM it was a precompiled Sense ROM and as such subject to all the whims of the HTC base that the rest of us were.
Oh and I don't owe him anything. Never used his ROM, never benefited from what he apparently gave back to the community (nothing). He owed me and whomever else asked him for it, source code, which happened to be the one thing he never once provided while being happy to make use of source code provided by others.
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Ok, so you never used his rom. I did and it was leagues ahead of anything else at the time. It made our phones really usable with 2.1. I remember when it was first released it was in the top 5 threads for a week on the front page of xda so I'm sure I wasn't the only one to experience this.
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.

plonkersaurus said:
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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My first four or five requests were incredibly polite. There were a plethora of polite request the first time he pulled this stunt too. My reason for asking was irrelevant. However my reason for asking for those particular sources, were twofold:
1: I didn't believe it.
2: If it was true then the community should damn well get access to it so we as a group can get it up to full working order so that EVERY ROM DEVELOPER can make use of it.
Taken over? What? I now don't believe that you're a developer, at least nothing outside pointing and clicking in a GUI based programming tool in some office somewhere, because you clearly have no idea of what collaborative development is. You cannot shut anyone, ANYONE, out of a GPL project, that's the whole frigging point. See my signature? Source code. Source code anyone can take and modify. Source code people are welcome to change, fix, port, patch and if they want to, submit a pull request so I can merge those fixes in.
Click the link. Follow the fork tree. Observe the magic as my changes move upstream to the original cyanogenmod + Hero kernel. Observe further magic as changes they make merge their way down into my kernel. Yeah I/we are really all about shutting people out.
Stop trolling.

plonkersaurus said:
Ok, so you never used his rom. I did and it was leagues ahead of anything else at the time. It made our phones really usable with 2.1. I remember when it was first released it was in the top 5 threads for a week on the front page of xda so I'm sure I wasn't the only one to experience this.
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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You might be right, maybe they wouldn't have let him be in the team, maybe they would have. Who cares, they would have had to credit it to him either way, just as they credit help from other developers now.
The main point is that he wasn't willing to help push things forward. He wanted all the spotlight for himself.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

Hacre said:
Re check your history. Linus did not write Linux by himself. He wrote the first kernel by himself. Linux wasn't truly born until he released it along with the source code and people started fixing it, writing drivers for it and writing coreutils/toolchains around it. It didn't approach anything like popular until it got x86 support and the kernel reached a level of maturity in the 2.0.x releases. Collaborative development/debugging. It's an amazing thing. Stunted quickly by the "I will not share" attitude that you're defending and supporting.
I am genuinely curious as to how you can guarantee that people will receive donations for your work. Or why you'd even care. My kernel source tree is used by others, I don't lose a wink of sleep over whether they get donations for their finished ROM or not, it doesn't matter.
Donations are just that, donations. They are not a fee. They are not someone taking someone else's work and then charging for it. They're something that an individual feels that they want to give to someone out of the kindness of their hearts as a thank you as well as the fact that donations are quite a rarity.
I got my first donation today. It'll buy me a few beers. It won't make me rich. I got it for my work on the kernel and my work on the Villain 2.2 ROMs. Have a guess how many people at Villain are now pissy that I got a donation and not the project itself. None. Have a guess how many GNU developers are now hand wringing themselves with pure fret because some guy got bought a beer for some work he did on their code. None.
You didn't have to mention the GPL in your post. The GPL is why these ridiculous threads keep springing up, it was the GPL and the failure to adhere to it, that got Feeyo canned.
People with your attitude toward community development have no place on these forums. Kindly take the door that has a Feeyo shaped hole in it.
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I think the problem here is your attitude, you seem to think you own the place. I am free to stay here as I wish as far as I know. I also don't believe you are reading my posts correctly as you seem to think I am against community programming which is further from the truth.
I never said I wouldn't share. I wouldn't share with you. I think community programming is great all things being equal. It seems to me that the hero community here is terrible right now and thus I wouldn't help it.
Getting people banned definitely isn't making you friends either. I honestly never saw you wanting to work with feeyo only to get at his work.
I would have no problem helping out trying to get android to work on the Xperia X1 and supplying my source code as that is a true example of people working together.

Hacre said:
My first four or five requests were incredibly polite. There were a plethora of polite request the first time he pulled this stunt too. My reason for asking was irrelevant. However my reason for asking for those particular sources, were twofold:
1: I didn't believe it.
2: If it was true then the community should damn well get access to it so we as a group can get it up to full working order so that EVERY ROM DEVELOPER can make use of it.
Taken over? What? I now don't believe that you're a developer, at least nothing outside pointing and clicking in a GUI based programming tool in some office somewhere, because you clearly have no idea of what collaborative development is. You cannot shut anyone, ANYONE, out of a GPL project, that's the whole frigging point. See my signature? Source code. Source code anyone can take and modify. Source code people are welcome to change, fix, port, patch and if they want to, submit a pull request so I can merge those fixes in.
Click the link. Follow the fork tree. Observe the magic as my changes move upstream to the original cyanogenmod + Hero kernel. Observe further magic as changes they make merge their way down into my kernel. Yeah I/we are really all about shutting people out.
Stop trolling.
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That's not what I mean by shutting people out. I'm not trolling but replying to your false accusations.
You are also trying to personally discredit me by calling me a point and click GUI programmer which is below the belt. You know nothing about me.
What I mean is, working together as these roms are virtually the same project is about communicating. Something that would not have happened and does in a real collaborative effort.
I'm sick of this thread and having to defend myself because you fail to understand what working together really means. And no it's not just following rules. It's obvious you aren't a professional programmer. People skills and management are just as important as being able to program and that is the point I am trying to get at.

I think you've formed your opinion and regardless of how many times Hacre blows your point out of the water, your not going to be swayed are you. He shouldn't even have to explain himself to you, every point had been covered in the other fan threads already.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

Donate to the DEVS

I've been seeing lately everyone wants to donate to this chef for cooking this build and that chef for cooking that build.
We need to keep donating to the actual DEVS. They are the ones working hard porting to the HD2. without these devs there would be nothing for the chefs to cook if it wasn't for these guys.
Donated :
Confirmation number: 8FM28689J25916515.
I don't know if this list is accurate taking from dcordes post.
People working on porting Linux to HD2:
You can donate to the developers putting a lot of time into this Linux kernel port.
(putting together android files is not the porting)
cr2
NetRipper
dcordes
Markinus
LeTama
Cotulla
dan1j3l
Parad0XUA
manusfreedom

osokrayzay said:
I've been seeing lately everyone wants to donate to this chef for cooking this build and that chef for cooking that build.
We need to keep donating to the actual DEVS. They are the ones working hard porting to the HD2. without these devs there would be nothing for the chefs to cook if it wasn't for these guys.
Donated :
Confirmation number: 8FM28689J25916515.
I don't know if this list is accurate taking from dcordes post.
People working on porting Linux to HD2:
You can donate to the developers putting a lot of time into this Linux kernel port.
(putting together android files is not the porting)
cr2
NetRipper
dcordes
Markinus
LeTama
Cotulla
dan1j3l
Parad0XUA
manusfreedom
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Hey mate...Please search before you create a thread...You already repeated what I posted before here...
It is a repeated thread...please close it...

Hey forum police your thread is buried, not even in first couple of search results.
The more support the better. I am 100% positive the guys appreciate this. I am not like making a how do I do this type of thread which has been posted several times on how to's
Next time it would be easier for you to say. "Yes I agree, LET SUPPORT THEM FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING WORK! I also made a thread here too."
so safely unmount from your high horse, carefully don't get hurt coming down.

LOL...
the reason why my thread is buried already told you how users respond to this kind of thread...furtheremore, you are posting repeated thread...just more jobs to the moderator...do you think they are jobless?everyday they have to clean 100 of this type of thread...and I'm not acting forum police,I'm just telling you that don't create a thread because of what you want or what you think it should be...You are senior member, you teach or treat newbies this way...eg: not asking them open a thead because of 1 question,etc...
Cheers...Hope you understand

You just killed the support to our beloved dev team in this thread.
Now go bump your thread, so it gets on the first page and you can see your pretty name and everyone can see it.
no need to reply
close thread
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[OFF] - A proposal for the dev's and cookers!

Hello friends! I created this thread to make a proposal to the dev's and cookers ...
Well, what I mean is that we have bright developers of ROMs for our XPERIA X8
I think most of them work on your own ROMs, without the assistance of anyone (I'm NOT saying they are not able to cook a ROM)
What I mean is that I think that all the dev's of X8 ROM's (as racht, doixanh or AnDyX), cookers (like ME!) and designers (like AChep) come together and form a team, so to create an all-new custom ROM with the help and idea of ​​all users of the Xperia X8!
The forum is for everyone to share their ideas and how they can help in the development of custom ROMs for our devices, and I believe that together we can create a perfect ROM!
That's the idea and proposed to you all, developers of ROMs of our Xperia X8 ...
I think it's a good idea!
Who agrees with me?
Remember: In unity is strength!

It sounds good in theory but I doubt they will work on a single rom. As far as I see it, racht likes gingerbread and has abandoned his floyo rom, but dx likes froyo so he started adding things from gingerbread for users to have a better experience while using it. One thing that I know for certain, if someone manages to find a fix for a problem in any rom I am sure they will share their work with others, because that's why they use these forums.
As for jerpelea he seems to focus more on the X10, which will get official gingerbread update, instead on X8 and that saddens me abit, but is his time to spend and he can do whatever he wants with it... AnDyX has done 2 modules but no rom so maybe ask him to make a rom from scratch by using knowledge gained from other devs.

I do not mean to them that I quoted ...
I refer to ALL's dev ...
I think if all agree to try to do this, we must settle on which Android will be based (Whether it will be 2.3 or 2.2, whatever), but I think that discussion is for later ...
My proposal is that all ideas come together and share their knowledge so that all interested members to create a fully-working near perfect ROM
This is my proposal and idea ...If anyone can understand me...

Salo-S said:
I do not mean to them that I quoted ...
I refer to ALL's dev ...
I think if all agree to try to do this, we must settle on which Android will be based (Whether it will be 2.3 or 2.2, whatever), but I think that discussion is for later ...
My proposal is that all ideas come together and share their knowledge so that all interested members to create a fully-working near perfect ROM
This is my proposal and idea ...If anyone can understand me...
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Hehe this is best idea i ever see on this forum ! Come one devs! Xda rocks! !! Sent from xgin 5.4
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I do not say that this not a good idea... but it's very-very difficult to work with someone else over the same project. I have never work over roms for phone but from my knowledge as a programmer i can say that it may be better working like now...
I was working with a programmer over a firefox addon (like the way you say) but it was very difficult. I was forced to inform him about everything i did, so to let him know what he should do. I started keeping notes and made a program lol...
You must be very consistent too do this...
I wish our devs have the time to set up such a project...

great idea, but... We only need to know if our devs agree with that..

GreatApo said:
I do not say that this not a good idea... but it's very-very difficult to work with someone else over the same project. I have never work over roms for phone but from my knowledge as a programmer i can say that it may be better working like now...
I was working with a programmer over a firefox addon (like the way you say) but it was very difficult. I was forced to inform him about everything i did, so to let him know what he should do. I started keeping notes and made a program lol...
You must be very consistent too do this...
I wish our devs have the time to set up such a project...
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I feel the same way. It is very difficult to work with multiple people at the same project, each in a different place. Everyone should have from time to time the exact same code and this would necessarily mean working in shifts and not in a team.
What I see much more easy to do is try to understand what features should have the "perfect rom", such as it is doing doixanh for froyobread, posting polls and seeing what the majority prefers.
We could start with topics such as: 1) froyo base vs. gingerbread base, 2) favorite launcher, 3) basic applications preinstalled .. etc etc. ..
Then we might ask a developer to take charge of the project and prepare the ROM. As an incentive we can provide some donation, if at the end of the project will be many users of the forum to participate, there won't be too hard to put together a little cash I think.
What do you think? Could it be possible?

While I won't downplay this idea, because it does have its merit, this would be VERY hard to achieve. Devs would need to communicate everything they did to eachother, which could prove difficult. However what we COULD do is designate assignments for a specific dev. For example:
Doixanh - Porting Gingerbread features to Froyo and performance
Jerpelea & Blagus - Cracking the bootloader
And so on, so forth. Publish all the work in Google Code or Github to make easily accessible for the whole community.
This to me seems the only really viable way to go...

well I hope so !! really they are the betters and could pass something nice

So typical.
All i see are random members saying that it can't be done or that it is so hard to achieve.
Why can't you wait for devs to answer for themselves?

...I agree with all that this is difficult but... I think that the are already work in a team... xda devs' team... they already help each other enought.

First of all, this thread belongs to Genreal section.
Now on-topic:
I don't see any usefullness from this idea.
1st Devs are helping each other anyway for sure
2nd.. 2nddd?!?!?! :O
Oh, yeah... there's no second.
Point is:
Example: doixanh is stuck at something when making froyobread.. he will ask someone for tip...
racht hackdroid has camera disabled... kuya will fix it (altough he's a cooker, not dev I suppose)
You got it??
Apps preistalled, default launcher... install your favorites by yourself you lazyasses

if OP want it like cyanogenmod,
than it is freexperia project.
I don't see it working.
btw, yes, I'm not a "dev", I like and always be a newbie

Theres already a project like that, it is FreeXperia project, i suppose everyone already know that.
The point is, we should just continue that project, if someone already have a well programming knowledge, then they should just help that project, creating the libs for X8 to be used for 2.3+ Android version later.

that's good idea,newbie like me very happy to hear it

That's a good idea, but i think that we'll have more progress about a Cyanogen 7 rom soon enough.

[Great News] [Official] [CM12.1][Coming Soon]

Hello Everyone
I have come across device tree for Hima M9/CyanogenMod 12.1 with a custom Kernel. (If I'll tell you the name of either , you'd Google in a second)
The developer is a genius and trust me you'd see both of these within a month. Stay tuned for updates.
I can attach screenshots but I'd not post links as previous experiences that I had meant that people started troubling the developer and he quit the project all together. Respect the developers and read in my signature about development process and what it is actually like to be one.
This is just a confirmation and I can actually prove it to everyone who are interested.
I see many device tree updates every day so I am sure once CM12.1 is available officially, it'd open gates for all sorts of custom ROMs!
Attachments coming in few hours as I'm heading out

wow that would be awesome! cant wait to run a pure android rom on this beast
*all f***** fingers crossed*

Yay!
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Hello Everyone
I have come across device tree for Hima M9/CyanogenMod 12.1 with a custom Kernel. (If I'll tell you the name of either , you'd Google in a second)
The developer is a genius and trust me you'd see both of these within a month. Stay tuned for updates.
I can attach screenshots but I'd not post links as previous experiences that I had meant that people started troubling the developer and he quit the project all together. Respect the developers and read in my signature about development process and what it is actually like to be one.
This is just a confirmation and I can actually prove it to everyone who are interested.
I see many device tree updates every day so I am sure once CM12.1 is available officially, it'd open gates for all sorts of custom ROMs!
Attachments coming in few hours as I'm heading out
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The link below is to the thread which its being discussed in within m9 Q&A section. Rashid97 is the dev working on the project
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/help/cyanogenmod-12-12-1-htc-one-m9-t3069920

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The link below is to the thread which its being discussed in within m9 Q&A section. Rashid97 is the dev working on the project
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/help/cyanogenmod-12-12-1-htc-one-m9-t3069920
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aaronrw said:
Yay!
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sweetrobot said:
about ****ing time!!! so sick of the nonSense...
cm / aosp / aokp ftw.
paperweight for the last couple of months. tried a bunch of the existing roms, just not my cup of tea.
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k1moe said:
wow that would be awesome! cant wait to run a pure android rom on this beast
*all f***** fingers crossed*
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I am afraid that is not it what you are pointing out.
Here are the screenshots.
You can clearly see that how much commits are posted daily and it is going on at a very brisk rate. Cheer up everyone!
Request :
Just please do not trouble the developer if you find out who is he.
READ THIS HERE
Alternatively you can see more information in my signature!
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DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
INTRODUCTION
I am starting this forum in hope of educating my readers about ROM development according to my experiences. Further, I will highlight what is the usual developers' thought process before they decide to build a ROM for a specific device. The reasons why they usually choose a certain device or why they prefer one device over another would also be stated briefly. I also have intention of looking into ways how we can speed up ROM productions for any device and what you can do to play your part.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION FOR NO CUSTOM ROMS EVEN AFTER SOME MONTHS BUT THIS DOESNOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SPAM
I am sure many of you must be really disappointed by the lack of development for your device and I know this must be frustrating when we see other devices are getting ROMS so quickly. I know many are too excited when they find a little about any OTA/ Custom ROM and sharing such news is fully justified. However, it's beyond my logic & thinking why the forums are SPAMMED for any little information they might find anywhere regardless of their sources or if it has been ALREADY POSTED. I reckon many of these threads could have been avoided by simply searching in the forum.
ROM DEVELOPMENT
I can assure you that many develoeprs are working very hard to PORT and develop different ROMS for a device. However, the reason we can not see any CUSTOM roms till yet is due to complicated nature of a device itself.
Usually developers prefer a device which is :
1. Easy to work with, less complicated to code with or in other terms DEVELOPER friendly. For example, for a while I had a real issue with HTC phones as they have too many things to work with like Bootloader, S Lock, Radios, Hboot version etc while in Nexus devices you only need to unlock your device with one fastboot command. That's all and you are ready to flash ROMs.
2. Personal preference of Device. This simply means that we all have different tastes and thus we choose different devices. A certain developer might only work for a certain brand while other might work with few brands. This has nothing to do with anything but a personal choice.
3. A device that promises reward in terms of money/self satisfaction. Developers usually go for devices which have most active users so if their intention is also to get some money out of it in terms of donation, this will work well with devices which are more in number.
4. Knowledge about a certain brand more than another.
5. MONEY TO BUY A CERTAIN DEVICE/DEVICES. Suppose a developer wants to make ROMS for Xperia L/ SP/Z and Xperia U. Yet he only has 500 dollars to choose from. He then will have to make a choice between devices and this will eventually mean that not all of the devices get the same treatment. Money is the most decisive factor why a developer doesnot chose your device but rather another. For example purpose only, if I have to choose between devices, I might prefer SP over Xperia L as I can see more future of SP than Xperia L(I might be wrong).
6. Simply he bought a device or it is gifted/donated to him
SOME REQUESTS
Please STOP bugging developers by trivial questions. Just think how many other people ask the same question and it gets very frustrating to actually work on the device itself.
Every developer has a LIFE apart from developing ROMs. They also have a family, school, work, hobbies, bad days and so much like us. So they will do it when they feel like doing it. Just sit back and relax. Enjoy your device until developer releases the ROM for your device. Asking a REASONABLE question seems plausible but asking same questions/useless questions without using brains is just STUPID. Kindly refrain from that.
If you have seen a developer who has taken the initiative to work on your device , the best thing to do is to be patient. Let him concentrate. Spamming and spamming again won't help really.Yet some users start SPAMMING developers, their twitters, blogs and accounts. That's really sad. You can discuss on the forum what you think about it but IRKING developers isnot really cool.
WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP DEVELOPERS AND SEE CUSTOM ROMS.
1. Search the form first and look for answers. DON'T start new posts/questions/threads when it is ALREADY mentioned in some other section.
2. STOP PMing/SPAMING developers but rather ask a question WHICH havenot been asked before in the forum. Do not engage in the habit of making a new forum for everything. Try to keep threads as little as possible.
3. Follow developers and see what they have updated about on their official twitter,facebook,etc rather than bugging them on different forums/social websites.
4 DONATE THEM. DONATE THEM . DONATE THEM!
The amount of efforts they put, sitting for hours in front of their PCs and I know how frustrating it gets when you try to run commands and everything seems to work yet you can not boot up your ROM. And worse, you can not find WHY really. Just a change in line in build.prop results in failure of ROM to boot up and specially working from source to build ROM is really really tough. The best thing you can do is being supportive and patient !
A ROM development requires not just EXCESSIVE amount of hardwork, time, energy and dedication but also they need MONEY to actually buy devices and try it on. They are happy and encouraged to keep on developing ROMs when they see their efforts are not wasted and they are rewarded and respected for what they do.
SOME BASICS OF ROM DEVELOPMENT
Usually this is required to make a full custom ROM
Blobs which contain hardware information which comes from hardware manufacturer like Qualcomm in case of Snapdragon processors
A fully functional device tree
Latest Android source (Or the android version source you want to build for)
Specific Custom ROM coding which is based on Android Source
Usually a device tree and kernel tree is needed before custom roms can be made available. This is a long trial and error process in which every component of hardware is made functional as usually manufacturers do not provide any code for their devices and thus new code is to be written which is very frustrating and long process!
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Hnk1 said:
I am afraid that is not it what you are pointing out.
Here are the screenshots.
You can clearly see that how much commits are posted daily and it is going on at a very brisk rate. Cheer up everyone!
Request :
Just please do not trouble the developer if you find out who is he.
READ THIS HERE
Alternatively you can see more information in my signature!
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What i pointed is where the developer actually mentioned he his working on it and the link can be sourced by anyone, and people in that thread have been checking the github as mentioned. Theres now two threads on the discussion of cm12.1 which talk similar. All you are doing is not mentioning the dev based someone who used his work without his permission. Also to add the dev replied that thread to have to say they having working booting img just some features aren't working.
Link to his github for the current work
https://github.com/Hima-Dev/android_device_htc_hima-common

Thank GOD
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I'll be happy to donate

I'm really excited about this, because the person doing this is making amazing progress and at last count I want to say it was only Wi-Fi and one other thing not working with said developer already pretty certain that they know how to change that, it's just a lot of trial and error (any dev knows how frustrating it can be having to compile the source all over again to test a tiny change)
What this means for me, personally, is that I can do what I've done on past htc devices and knock out a fairly complete port of miui (some default miui stuff doesn't play nice during flash, like the camera app, so I'll likely include the stock m9 camera app as packaged for other phones so it doesn't rely on sense)
Anyway... ?

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What i pointed is where the developer actually mentioned he his working on it and the link can be sourced by anyone, and people in that thread have been checking the github as mentioned. Theres now two threads on the discussion of cm12.1 which talk similar. All you are doing is not mentioning the dev based someone who used his work without his permission. Also to add the dev replied that thread to have to say they having working booting img just some features aren't working.
Link to his github for the current work
https://github.com/Hima-Dev/android_device_htc_hima-common
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Cheers for side information. I know the developer and I'm pretty sure you'd get a kernel and Cm12.1 pretty soon.
Actually I Would let the developers sort out their differences themselves, for me it is Cm12.1 coming pretty soon.

agentfusion said:
I'm really excited about this, because the person doing this is making amazing progress and at last count I want to say it was only Wi-Fi and one other thing not working with said developer already pretty certain that they know how to change that, it's just a lot of trial and error (any dev knows how frustrating it can be having to compile the source all over again to test a tiny change)
What this means for me, personally, is that I can do what I've done on past htc devices and knock out a fairly complete port of miui (some default miui stuff doesn't play nice during flash, like the camera app, so I'll likely include the stock m9 camera app as packaged for other phones so it doesn't rely on sense)
Anyway... ?
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Whhhaaatttttt?!?!?! Miui?!?!?

Wait

Galaxysm said:
Whhhaaatttttt?!?!?! Miui?!?!?
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Yeah. Once we have a reliable port of CM12, then porting other stuff is pretty easy. All I have to do is find a device that already has miui with the same resolution and dpi/ppi and port the assets over to the m9.
Preferably I'd like to port the miui patchrom so I can setup an automated build system to build a fresh copy every time aosp and miui are updated, but I don't have anywhere near enough time for that.

agentfusion said:
Yeah. Once we have a reliable port of CM12, then porting other stuff is pretty easy. All I have to do is find a device that already has miui with the same resolution and dpi/ppi and port the assets over to the m9.
Preferably I'd like to port the miui patchrom so I can setup an automated build system to build a fresh copy every time aosp and miui are updated, but I don't have anywhere near enough time for that.
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Nice I can't wait!!

Nice to see this coming ... And for MIUI I haven't been able to use it since I change my original EVO ... It would be great to have it as an option ...

Great news

Daily reminder that CM12 is a desperately needed and coveted thingy for the m8+1.

Is it lollipop 5.1?
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vegetaleb said:
Is it lollipop 5.1?
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Cm12.1 is lolipop 5.1

Anyone knows the progress on this...

epedrosa said:
Anyone knows the progress on this...
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Be patient. The OP says "within a month" and it has only been roughly 2 weeks