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I am currently a G1 owner on the fence about rooting my phone, as are many others. One of the first issues I've come across is being overwhelmed by forum threads. Unless I have missed something (and if I did, please point me in the right direction!), everything is posted in forums here, requiring people to pour through tons of posts and pick through the right information.
Is there an official wiki or something where all the latest news, guides, FAQs, etc. are being updated? If not, I'd love to start one, but unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to do so (yet, at least). I'm thinking of a super simple, jargon-free site for users to find answers to their questions, and a simple outlined "official" process for how to begin and where to go from there.
For example, some FAQs..
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
This is just an idea, but there's all these questions like this that I know many people have. While these questions can easily be answered in forums, I'm looking for a more convenient solution for the community. As official answers are nailed down, it would be great to have a reference to check with rather than flooding forums with questions.
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work from the developers here. It's really exciting to follow, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the G1!
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
kay11224 said:
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
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Thanks for the link, but unfortunately this doesn't seem user friendly (it's filled with unexplained links and jargon), and seems pretty outdated. I'm thinking about info aimed the average n00b end-user here, not developers or people actively following the forums and progress made.
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
dudinatrix said:
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
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1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
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I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
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I am perfectly capable of handling root access. I am a Linux system administrator (among other things) by profession. I admit, this would be my first attempt at "hacking" a device and thus voiding the warranty, hence my hesitation and "noob" questions. Using the search function is not my concern here, but I can appreciate where you're coming from.
What I'm talking about, and what appears to be misinterpreted, is an information source for common end users, not developers or tech-savy users. If I have questions about rooting the G1, certainly those less technically inclined do as well. And unfortunately for them, they don't necessarily even know where to begin looking. I'm talking about people like my brother in law, for example... who probably never used a forum in his life, but wants to have multi-touch on his phone, or change his themes, or find a solution to his constant "low storage" warnings. People like him don't care about hacking into the phone and getting all this flexible access for himself. They just want to take advantage of what's already been achieved, but unfortunately require root to do so.
I agree that it is pretty simple to root the phone, but face it you have to be somewhat comfortable with technology first, even just to obtain the information.
Perhaps now isn't the appropriate time to wrap things up in a bow and give to the general G1 user base in a tidy little easy-to-digest package. As things develop further it may just naturally come about, perhaps via installers or something. I just think it would be helpful to many to have a source written for the common folk with jargon-free information... considering the more people get their hands on it, the more successful the platform can become.
And to Metlus, thanks for being receptive and answering my questions kindly without making me feel judged for asking what I assume many think is a "just search for it" type of post.
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1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
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Great post meltus!
If and when you do decide to root g1 take your time and breathe, really isn't too hard just nerve racking the first time. I did it and im not a pro at all so you will probably breeze through it! The advancements made so far are unreal, auto browser, themes and many more make rooting well worth it in my opinion
I'm not sure if it gets any easier than this, but gizmodo today posted what looks like the easiest "recipe" yet for rooting the G1:
How To: Hack Android For Multitouch Web Browsing on the T-Mobile G1
When i run Rommanager it says an error occurred while attempting to run privileged commands.... what do i do ??
try visionary again, temp root, then permroot and restart the phone to make root stick
Side note:disclaimer:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
im noob to the MT4G iv rooted many htc phones i had an add up on c-list to do but now im trying to to the MT4g and im very new to it. I want to root my MT4G because i want to customize my themes splash screen ect.. oh and cuz its COOL TOO
OH AND I SLOVED MY PROBLEM JUST HAD TO REBOOT THE PHONE
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noob i am!!
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ummm yoda... why dont you just use the force?
CBConsultation said:
Side note:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA) before diving in head first.
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DOUBLE SIDE NOTE:
Thank you for saying that.... I do all the time... rooting should only be done after massive research, research and then when you think you've done all the research in the world... squze in a little bit more research
The reason why phones don't come rooted and why their getting harder to root is because of all the people that don't do their research go and destroy their phones, then try to return them as a manufacture defect...
If you were in a phone manufacture shoes you wouldn't wanna pay for those phones either...
pack said:
ummm yoda... why dont you just use the force?
DOUBLE SIDE NOTE:
Thank you for saying that.... I do all the time... rooting should only be done after massive research, research and then when you think you've done all the research in the world... squze in a little bit more research
The reason why phones don't come rooted and why their getting harder to root is because of all the people that don't do their research go and destroy their phones, then try to return them as a manufacture defect...
If you were in a phone manufacture shoes you wouldn't wanna pay for those phones either...
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No problem pack. Just trying to lend some helpful advice to people before they go and screw up their phones then cry for help. Makes things easier on us as well.
CBConsultation said:
No problem pack. Just trying to lend some helpful advice to people before they go and screw up their phones then cry for help. Makes things easier on us as well.
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Ah-Men! Its seems as though google (or anyother search engine) just sends people to this website when the query "how can I try and be cooler" is entered. So therefore no research is done resulting in bricked devices and price increases and diffuclty rooting future devices and forum clogging and thermonuclear war and all around causing me to have a bad day. </end rant\>
Wow you people like to cry I was just asking for help you guys are turning this post in to a thred of crap
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
Hi guys,
I have been looking into the rooting/flashing process a bit, and it seems pretty straight forward for the most part. The primary reason that I have not followed through yet is the tiny fear that I will ruin my phone. The video (and forum thread) tutorials make it seem pretty easy, though, and there are not a lot of points where it seems like something could go wrong.
At which steps is bricking really a potential risk? There were a couple of points during the rooting process where it seemed like typing the wrong commands in terminal could result in some troubles. I have not looked as deeply into the flashing process, so I am unsure if there are more risks there.
Furthermore, is it possible to "unbrick" a mytouch 4g? I did a quick look around the forum and found what seemed to be threads discussing unbricking other phones. Once a mytouch 4g is bricked, is it basically completely and irreversibly useless?
Finally, I was also wondering if this process would eventually be even simpler than it is now. Like I had said, it already seems somewhat straight forward. If this is about as easy as it gets, then there really isn't any incentive to wait. If, however, many of these devices get even simpler solutions down the road, I might hold off.
Thanks,
Neel
Flashing hboot can brick the phone, but that step is no longer necessary. I would imagine the gfree changes could corrupt the radio if something were to potentially go wrong there, and from what I understand the radio is what boots the phone.
If you can't boot into hboot, I believe at this point in time the phone is unrecoverable.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
Thanks for the reply. That is definitely something I will keep in mind as I continue to research the process.
I don't think there will be easier process to root MT4G, it's not as simple as, let's say, G1 or Magic, back in the day. However, current process is simple enough where most, if not all, can do it. My personal suggestion is to use ADB for most of the process and copy/paste all critical commands (like the one for writing hboot what not). This way you can be sure that nothing was mistyped (yeah, VKs are great but not THAT great).
Also, folllow only 1 guide. There people that try to follow a guide, something goes wrong and they jump to another guide... and another guide and then we see a thread with something along the lines of:
Help!!!! I was following all these guides and I dont know what I did but my phone wont boot past MT logo. I think I ran Visionary and then I did that DD thing, can anyone tell me how to fix my phone!!!!
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Other then that... kudos for doing research and good luck.
borodin1 said:
I don't think there will be easier process to root MT4G, it's not as simple as, let's say, G1 or Magic, back in the day. However, current process is simple enough where most, if not all, can do it. My personal suggestion is to use ADB for most of the process and copy/paste all critical commands (like the one for writing hboot what not). This way you can be sure that nothing was mistyped (yeah, VKs are great but not THAT great).
Also, folllow only 1 guide. There people that try to follow a guide, something goes wrong and they jump to another guide... and another guide and then we see a thread with something along the lines of:
Other then that... kudos for doing research and good luck.
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Thanks for the tips. I had been focusing on two of the video tutorials out there (both of which referenced the thread here), but I will probably end up reading the whole thread and going off of that before attempting to root.
Hey all, new to the android phones... have my self a desire z with bell, looking for the best over all root out there, someone suggested i check out this site as they probably have some optimized setups already...
any suggestions for the phone would be amazing
Cheers
Next time, before you post and add to the clutter in these forums, take ONE MINUTE and SEARCH or READ some threads.
There are numerous guides in Android Development that walk you through the root process step by step.
kneedraggin101 said:
Hey all, new to the android phones... have my self a desire z with bell, looking for the best over all root out there, someone suggested i check out this site as they probably have some optimized setups already...
any suggestions for the phone would be amazing
Cheers
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gbarayah said:
Next time, before you post and add to the clutter in these forums, take ONE MINUTE and SEARCH or READ some threads.
There are numerous guides in Android Development that walk you through the root process step by step.
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Like gbarayah said all you need to do is use the search button next time, but since this is your first post I'll skip the flaming and point you in the right direction, there are three ways to root your HTC Vision but the safest and most reliable way is to temp root with Rage + Perm root with Gfree, the instructions to do this can be found HERE on the XDA Wiki for the Vision.
i did look, and there is 30 pages of ppl talking about this one or that one or this that this that, and on the phone its a big pita.....
so its not clutter, im asking for a no bs answer to which is the best for a phone to which i use and enjoy the sense ui it has...
also since im new, i figured it would be a nice way to have ppl explain to me what i need to know, with the ability to ask questions and have them answered in MY OWN WAY, vs reading what others have said
thnx for the snotty reply tho ( to the first post)
kneedraggin101 said:
i did look, and there is 30 pages of ppl talking about this one or that one or this that this that, and on the phone its a big pita.....
so its not clutter, im asking for a no bs answer to which is the best for a phone to which i use and enjoy the sense ui it has...
also since im new, i figured it would be a nice way to have ppl explain to me what i need to know, with the ability to ask questions and have them answered in MY OWN WAY, vs reading what others have said
thnx for the snotty reply tho
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People are explaining what you need to know, Please refer to the XDA forum rules HERE and look at rule number one. Please don't be too sensitive here, its just there are so many redundant thread in this forum on the same thing.
so your telling me, that when someone is NEW to something, and has ZERO idea on what most of that stuff means in the link provided above, that im not permitted to ask about which ppl suggest, and how to go about making it happen??
wow good to know
kneedraggin101 said:
so your telling me, that when someone is NEW to something, and has ZERO idea on what most of that stuff means in the link provided above, that im not permitted to ask about which ppl suggest, and how to go about making it happen??
wow good to know
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What I am telling you is that I have read the majority of threads in this forum and what you asked has been asked at least 50+ times, thats what I mean, If your having an issue with rooting and have searched for an awnser to your problem and can't find an awnser by all means, please post a new thread but I can guarantee all the problems people have ran into with rooting have been solved and the solutions posted. Like I said don't be so sensitive and over dramatic.
kneedraggin101 said:
Hey all, new to the android phones... have my self a desire z with bell, looking for the best over all root out there, someone suggested i check out this site as they probably have some optimized setups already...
any suggestions for the phone would be amazing
Cheers
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I understand how confusing it can be, trying to sift through a ton of threads and posts, reading lingo, terms, and abbreviations that you don't understand. It's like trying to learn something new and the instructions are written in another language.
I can also understand how frustrating it can be to KNOW all this information and have the same basic questions asked all the time when the information is easily available.
You should start by reading THIS, it is an over view of the phone, some step by steps, and links. It will get you started. Also HERE, and HERE.
Personally, I would play with your new phone for a while first. Get used to Android in general, and get to understand your phone. While you are doing that, read those links and then start reading some other threads in the forums. Get hands on first, then start to look deeper into rooting and modifying. The G2/Desire Z is already a great phone. Jumping right into rooting when you are still new to Android is like buying a brand new Mustang and wanting to start modifying it before you ever really drive it. But that's just my opinion. I started with the G1 when it first came out, moved onto the Slide, and now the G2. I didn't root my G1 until after a year when it was pretty much announced that they weren't going to upgrade it. Then the Slide when I got my G2, and I haven't even rooted my G2 yet......I'm still waiting to see the official 2.3 upgrade until I decide to root.
Just be patient, read as much as you can and it will all start to make sense. Play with the phone for a while, THEN decide if you want to take on rooting. It's not the easiest thing in the world to do, but there are plenty of step by step's out there. Good luck.
kneedraggin101 said:
so your telling me, that when someone is NEW to something, and has ZERO idea on what most of that stuff means in the link provided above, that im not permitted to ask about which ppl suggest, and how to go about making it happen??
wow good to know
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I apologize for the 'snotty' remarks above, but over the past few months there has been a significant increase in the number of redundant threads opened on these forums. It makes them cluttered and frustrates many users, myself included.
Referring to your post above, think about how many threads would be opened if every new member of the community who was new to Android started their own thread on how to root.
99.5% of the questions that people ask when they are 'new' to Android have already been answered somewhere else. Most of the time, a search and some reading will lead you in the right direction.
I would be more understanding if you had read the wiki or some of the other guides but based on the question you asked in your first post, it didn't appear that you had made the slightest effort to do so. The threads can be a bit overwhelming when you are new, but like someone said earlier, rooting isn't something you should jump straight into if you are not comfortable with your device.
This community is very helpful but make sure you follow the FORUM RULES and do some research before starting your own thread. If you have questions about a specific step in the rooting process, there are other threads that are already open where your question should go.
well ok, so let me ask you this,, i used the method mentioned here
hxxp://theunlockr.com/2010/11/15/universal-android-rooting-method-visionary-method/
and it shows i still have SU permission... but everytime my phone re starts, it opens visionary and says rooting phone...
but the thing is, my phone is snail slow now... and when i go back to the main screen, it takes forever and says loading... then my normal screen shows up... its also taking forever to do simple things, such as open text msg's
any suggestions on this problem?
That's temp rooting, and isn't the same thing as modifying the phone, giving you true root and installing a custom ROM. It's basically just allowing you root access to run SU and other apps that require root access.
I personally think it's great for those who want to use some apps that require root, like "Shoot Me". But it's not true root. I used it on my G2 and found the same things you found, that it slows the phone down. I figure it's because the reason rooted phones are normally faster than original is because of the custom ROMs that you install. It really has nothing to do with root itself, rooting just allows you to run a custom ROM. And it's the ROM that makes the phone faster, usually due to less things running in the background and overclocking the processor.
I still have VISIONary on mine, but I don't have it set to temp root on startup, I only run it if I want to use an app that requires root.
it shows on visionary that you can do a perm root via the software, and i did that, so when the phone restarts, it still shows i have su....
so are you telling me that if i unclick temp root and restart my phone it should be better??
basically i just want to keep the stock rom, or find a better one that still uses sense, as its super usefull for me.... i just wanted to root, so i can use the cpu thing to speed up the phone and scale it down when its in my pocket etc....
so i need help, i ran a stock bencmark and i got almost 1500, now im gettin 1000... which seems to be a huge diff and thats all ive changed was rooting the phone...
suggestions on a great sense rom then?
You are very luck you didn't brick your phone running visionary perm root. Don't try that again, you might not be so lucky ^_^
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
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it shows on visionary that you can do a perm root via the software, and i did that, so when the phone restarts, it still shows i have su....
so are you telling me that if i unclick temp root and restart my phone it should be better??
basically i just want to keep the stock rom, or find a better one that still uses sense, as its super usefull for me.... i just wanted to root, so i can use the cpu thing to speed up the phone and scale it down when its in my pocket etc....
so i need help, i ran a stock bencmark and i got almost 1500, now im gettin 1000... which seems to be a huge diff and thats all ive changed was rooting the phone...
suggestions on a great sense rom then?
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PermaRoot and TempRoot via VISIONary gives you root access, but it is not the same as rooting and running a custom ROM. Like I said before, the key in making the phone faster is not having root access. Having the phone run faster is all in the ROM you are running. Rooting is just the first step in loading a custom ROM.
I personally have not run any custom ROMs on my G2 yet, because I find that the stock 2.2 runs very fast as it is. However, I find that cm7 on the Slide runs very fast and works great, even though it is still considered an experimental rom. You could run the latest CM6 stable version.
I am personally waiting for the official 2.3 to come out for the G2 before loading a custom ROM, just because I don't see the need to run one yet. The phone runs very fast out of the box.
Let me ask, what are you trying to get out of rooting?
i was just looking to have the ability to speed up the phone a lil bit, have some scaling, since the battery life is horrible, and if there was a nice optimized sense rom out, id look into that...
I know everyone is eager to set up their KF HDX how they want it & many of you are new-ish to XDA, so you have been able to rely on tools to automate everything, making it easier to accomplish what you want, but not so great for learning the basics of Android & the core development & debugging tools that are used in the automated processes like the various toolkits you find throughout the forum threads.
At any rate, I am writing a warning about this device ONCE AGAIN. If you really have no idea what the sdk is or how it is used, the HDX is not something you want to start messing with. You know who you are. If you aren't running Linux, or at the very least a dual boot distro like Unbuntu via wubi & you have never installed or used the Android SDK, PLEASE think twice about whatever you are contemplating.
The Kindle Fire HDX is not like other device you have maybe played with, or owned. It is a low level development device that uses an oddball system for updating & while it is vulnerable to several exploits, the bootloader is 100% locked. Complicating this issue is the fact that the device does not have fastboot access & messing with certain system files or permissions CAN & WILL cause issues ranging from wifi & 4G connectivity to a full on hard brick. There are also checks in place that will prevent adb access if you remove or mess up certain binaries or drivers. Some of these things CAN & WILL lead to loss of ADB access. Without ADB access, anything you break CANNOT be fixed.
This is NOT the device to get your feet wet on when it comes to rooting or modding. In the last two days alone, I have had 8 requests from people with devices that are having issue because of something that was done inadvertently or because something was done in the wrong order. I am willing to help WHEN I CAN, but I am an engineer, not a developer, with a busy schedule & a family, so taking care of my responsibilities comes before anything XDA related, for myself, or anyone else.
If you decide to ignore all of the posts about people bricking their devices & you ignore this warning, the SECOND SUCH WARNING, well, fine. After all it's your device & you can do whatever you want to it. Just don't expect to find an easy fix or someone there 24/7 to hold your hand through the process of trying to recover it. After all, this is a development forum, where you are expected to have a certain degree of knowledge, or be in the process of gaining that knowledge & it's not something you are going to learn by osmosis or be able to cram into a panicked couple of hours because you messed up your device.
So, you have been warned. Again. Unless you want a $300 - $700 project you may never finish, read BEFORE you do. Learn about what you are trying to accomplish & just deal with the Amazon only device until you can understand at the very minimum how to use adb & know how to apply all of the various adb commands. The absolute worst time to try to learn anything is when you are panicked & grasping at straws.
Don't be this guy:
I think that http://towelroot.com/ is a good place to start as the apk can be side loaded and should provide root access. I still have root on my Kindle Fire HDX 7" so I dont have any need for this root method, but according to the CVE-2014-3153 most versions of android are affected including 4.2.2. I would say if your a noob and not comfortable with adb and command line then this is your best bet for gaining root. Once you do have root I would suggest installing a firewall app and block everything except the apps you want to have access to the internet this should stop any updates from hitting your device. Have Fun!!
CDub50
cdub50 said:
I think that http://towelroot.com/ is a good place to start as the apk can be side loaded and should provide root access. I still have root on my Kindle Fire HDX 7" so I dont have any need for this root method, but according to the CVE-2014-3153 most versions of android are affected including 4.2.2. I would say if your a noob and not comfortable with adb and command line then this is your best bet for gaining root. Once you do have root I would suggest installing a firewall app and block everything except the apps you want to have access to the internet this should stop any updates from hitting your device. Have Fun!!
CDub50
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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
yeap
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not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The issue is what they do after they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely wipe the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from pm's but frankly i don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, i'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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well said and repeated!
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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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Come on though, this XDA forums, isn't it? Anyone reading these threads should be well aware of the risks involved. With towelroot app rooting the device is simple, and not going to brick your tab. Being reckless and doing some of the other things you mention, well, sorry, but like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations".
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Lol. When the vroot method was posted a couple days ago the hdx forum was quite silent...
Then BOOM!
"OMG I BROKED MY TABLET! BRICKED HDX! *BLAH BLAH* BROKE MY TABLET! HELP!!!! HELP!!! BRICKED TAB! "
good warning for noobs.
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I used the towelroot, then used a ota update blocking script and kindlefree, that's it. I bet people are out there installing safestrap, Roms and whatnot.
GSLEON3 said:
Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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To think that everyone who roots their Kindle is going Brick their device is laughable. Most people want to root to install google play store and stop future updates. There are always going to be people that are going to brick their device by pulling a bone head move. People know the risk, but if you can make rooting less risky by just installing an .apk sounds like a no brainer to me.
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jimyv said:
well said and repeated!
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Please people root phones all of the time and I would say 99% of people dont run into any issues with having root.
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cdub50 said:
To think that everyone who roots their Kindle is going Brick their device is laughable. Most people want to root to install google play store and stop future updates. There are always going to be people that are going to brick their device by pulling a bone head move. People know the risk, but if you can make rooting less risky by just installing an .apk sounds like a no brainer to me.
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Please people root phones all of the time and I would say 99% of people dont run into any issues with having root.
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You just sighned up for brick duty... Where was your energy and sarcasm Friday when Chinese root hit the forum? But yea thx and for chiming in though.
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You just sighned up for brick duty... Where was your energy and sarcasm Friday when Chinese root hit the forum? But yea thx and for chiming in though.
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Wow. Suggesting people use a simple apk to root their device earns you "brick duty"? And talk about sarcasm, your last sentence is a good example.
What's the point of XDA if we're afraid to do anything to our devices?
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afraid?
move_over said:
Wow. Suggesting people use a simple apk to root their device earns you "brick duty"? And talk about sarcasm, your last sentence is a good example.
What's the point of XDA if we're afraid to do anything to our devices?
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I don't want anybody to be afraid but I expect them to do their own homework and when they cut their sh*t up not come on here acting like a rotten punk and not willing to do any work to help themselves out.... Which is exactly what a 1-Click Apk breeds.., It tells them yay they were good enough to root device.. And they just dive into making other modifications especially on a device that has no fastboot capabilities and a locked bootloader I just don't think they should make anything that easy for a unit that is this hard to recover.. Because obviously you're not going to be here to help the ones that were ignorant enough to get an application to root device but not educated enough to accomplish any other modifications without bricking their units and then come back here implying that it's anybody else's responsibility but their own.... I'm sorry but most the ones here Bricked right right now can't even run batch application without asking how to double-click thre times ... Much less run ADB commands so stick around and help please... if this device had fastboot or unlocked bootloader. I personally would not give a damn
Well, towelroot was made for a variety of devices and just happens to work with the hdx. So are we supposed to pretend it doesn't work just because some people are not able to know what they can and can't do?
Another movie quote :
Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does".
Don't be stupid with your expensive tablet, if you are it's your own damn fault.
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tokenpoke said:
Lol. When the vroot method was posted a couple days ago the hdx forum was quite silent...
Then BOOM!
"OMG I BROKED MY TABLET! BRICKED HDX! *BLAH BLAH* BROKE MY TABLET! HELP!!!! HELP!!! BRICKED TAB! "
good warning for noobs.
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I made my toolkit to help people avoid bricking issues by waiting for proven methods that work and that I tested. I made it a menu and not a stooped down click and auto run installer. I wanted to give people the choice what they wanted to install, without risk bricking.
I guess people go outside the box for the "easy fix" to a complex problem. People and jobs are like that, doing some half assed thing to keep the wheels turning. I'm just blabbing now.
Be safe when messin' with the hdx. I play with stuff while on a rom slot to avoid a stock rom brick.
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Come on though, this XDA forums, isn't it? Anyone reading these threads should be well aware of the risks involved. With towelroot app rooting the device is simple, and not going to brick your tab. Being reckless and doing some of the other things you mention, well, sorry, but like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations".
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Obviously "anybody reading blah blah blah", isn't the case, as evident by the brick posts & my PM inbox. Sure, this is xda, but it's not the XDA it used to be. Part of that is because of the ease with which one can obtain root. You used to have to do everything manually, so you actually had to read, sometimes info for a completely different device, and then spend time figuring out how to apply it to your particular device. I am not saying nobody should root, frankly I do not care either way. What I am saying is that it is probably a bad idea for some people. Seriously, you think the guy that had no idea what Linux was, or the guy that thought you double click on the adb.exe to make it magically unbrick a device are good candidates for having unrestricted world writable access to a device? No. All you have to do is read some of the posts to know it isn't a good idea for some ill-prepared people & they obviously DIDN'T understand the consequences, otherwise they wouldn't have tried doing things that even the newest well informed member would ever try doing.
At any rate, this is what I think of now whenever I think of XDA, particularly the HDX forums lately. LMAO....
Say what?
Do any of you have anything useful to add besides your nanny pandering bull****? It's funny when you start digging for info on rooting a Kindle Fire HDX and this one of the first things you run across, a bunch of nannies moaning about it being too easy? Don't do it because you might break your toy because you are an idiot? Seriously? Is this a day care or am I missing something?
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Obviously "anybody reading blah blah blah", isn't the case, as evident by the brick posts & my PM inbox. Sure, this is xda, but it's not the XDA it used to be. Part of that is because of the ease with which one can obtain root. You used to have to do everything manually, so you actually had to read, sometimes info for a completely different device, and then spend time figuring out how to apply it to your particular device. I am not saying nobody should root, frankly I do not care either way. What I am saying is that it is probably a bad idea for some people. Seriously, you think the guy that had no idea what Linux was, or the guy that thought you double click on the adb.exe to make it magically unbrick a device are good candidates for having unrestricted world writable access to a device? No. All you have to do is read some of the posts to know it isn't a good idea for some ill-prepared people & they obviously DIDN'T understand the consequences, otherwise they wouldn't have tried doing things that even the newest well informed member would ever try doing.
At any rate, this is what I think of now whenever I think of XDA, particularly the HDX forums lately. LMAO....
Having Root does not cause any issues. People create the issues, but who are you tell tell everyone not to root. Its their device if they want to root by all means root it. EVERY ROM and RECOVERY I have ever flashed or created states that in the terms of use that there is a potential they could brick their device. Who cares about your PM's. If you dont want to help them dont help, but dont create a thread just to complain about people bricking their device.
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Thanks....but....
I'm not a developer....nor a hacker....nor a ...whatever.....just someone who enjoys reading and learning all that I can about my phone and Kindle Fire HDX....have rooted a variety of phones and Kindles through the years - first "mod" was to be able to download music and my own ringtones to a first edition Razr back in the day. I know there are so many people smarter than me - in some areas...not all - and I gratefully use that info and knowledge I get AT MY OWN RISK....as most people do, I think....the XDA site has over 5 million members - will there be some idiots who don't read or throw common sense and caution to the wind and screw up their devices?...sure....shame on them.
But if others with that knowledge have an elitist attitude about the rest of us - well - shame on them too. If someone knows how to make it easy for someone to be able to get the most of their device - while knowing the risks - BUT WON'T SHARE because they feel we don't 'deserve" that info - please....don't post! Just keep it to yourself and enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
PS...think it's a bit of a coincidence that when the romaster root surfaced - from a Chinese developer - all he** broke loose....it seems others had the knowledge but didn't want to share....oh well.....and please...this is just my humble opinion.
I appreciate all the efforts of the developers and testers who make it easier for people like me to really get the most out of their devices - but I think there is a reason that most of the major companies lock down theirs....to stop the ones who will stupidly brick the device and blame the company....thanks for reading.
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revircs said:
I'm not a developer....nor a hacker....nor a ...whatever.....just someone who enjoys reading and learning all that I can about my phone and Kindle Fire HDX....have rooted a variety of phones and Kindles through the years - first "mod" was to be able to download music and my own ringtones to a first edition Razr back in the day. I know there are so many people smarter than me - in some areas...not all - and I gratefully use that info and knowledge I get AT MY OWN RISK....as most people do, I think....the XDA site has over 5 million members - will there be some idiots who don't read or throw common sense and caution to the wind and screw up their devices?...sure....shame on them.
But if others with that knowledge have an elitist attitude about the rest of us - well - shame on them too. If someone knows how to make it easy for someone to be able to get the most of their device - while knowing the risks - BUT WON'T SHARE because they feel we don't 'deserve" that info - please....don't post! Just keep it to yourself and enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
PS...think it's a bit of a coincidence that when the romaster root surfaced - from a Chinese developer - all he** broke loose....it seems others had the knowledge but didn't want to share....oh well.....and please...this is just my humble opinion.
I appreciate all the efforts of the developers and testers who make it easier for people like me to really get the most out of their devices - but I think there is a reason that most of the major companies lock down theirs....to stop the ones who will stupidly brick the device and blame the company....thanks for reading.
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LOL I have noticed everybody that has chimed in about any complaints going on here have not been here to help recover in any of these devices last few days .. Trying to help people that refuse to help themselves.... I mean really we can only feed them so much info and babysit so much and get told please help please hello please help me . And when you attempt too. they have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about or what you're trying to get them to do it just looks too complicated so they keep asking for help... Expecting somebody here to make an easy one click.. To salvage their mistakes and keep their mommy and daddy from finding out they bricked their tablets.....and btw if this device wasnt soo fn locked down.. We would not be having this discussion because recovery of a brick would be easy with fastboot capabilities and unlock bootloader click click done. So I call BS honestly over the last few years out of all these devices I've been here in xda tinkering with.. The only time see false warranty claims are always on devices that are locked up tight.
If they refuse to help themselves then don't help them. Claiming that something shouldn't be easy and the fear mongering and elitism aren't helping anyone. Instead of trying to be a nanny document the known problems and work arounds if there are any. If you don't want to do that then don't. Save the other BS for your significant other cause no one else worth concerning yourself with wants to hear it. This thread is pointless, people here want to root their devices for any number of reasons; they why's don't matter and if it goes south it's not your problem.
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jptros said:
If they refuse to help themselves then don't help them. Claiming that something shouldn't be easy and the fear mongering and elitism aren't helping anyone. Instead of trying to be a nanny document the known problems and work arounds if there are any. If you don't want to do that then don't. Save the other BS for your significant other cause no one else worth concerning yourself with wants to hear it. This thread is pointless, people here want to root their devices for any number of reasons; they why's don't matter and if it goes south it's not your problem.
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I understand your point and this thread was not started as a wine fest it was supposed to be started for a fair warning I can't help it if he had a sarcastic tone to his voice from trying to help ignorant people all weekend and I think it's hilarious how people are chiming in complaining about our complaints but none of them have been here to help all the ignorant folk ... I'm just saying as one that has been here for the last five days repairing brick or trying to help that is ... Is a lot of and uneeded tension here I understand .. And it is turning" quite the Flamer thread ... So instead of chiming here to complain about our complaint and tell us to keep our complaints to ourselves as you are here complaining your self .. Please go to the general section or the troubleshooting section and start helping people... For example help him http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783591