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HTC EVO vs HTC LEO with android

As of now, has anybody been able to compare The Evo to Leo running android?
I personally have been using darkstones V5 and its incredibly fast and responsive, the only thing lacking for me is the gps, 5mpx (possible 720p recording) and more battery time. If those would be fixed it would be perfect.
Now, back to the original question, I haven't used the Evo hands on. What do you guys think? does Leo match up with all its hardware running android? or will Evo remain the top android phone right now?
Food for thought: After everything is worked out on Leo, could it be the best Android phone around?
What do you guys think?

EVO is 4G, CMDA locked down device. Hardware is similar but it was build to run nativly the Android OS.
Leo is unlocked and can run win + android (with it's current limitations). If devs can (and I think the will) make a nand flashable ROM with all the things in working order, LEO is clearly the winner

I have used the EVO, but only in store, and with all those random apps that have been downloaded, but i can always ask my friend to compare our phones (he ownes the EVO) but this Desire ROM is great although its been charging all night, its only about ~98% and still charging, but its not complete as of yet, but once its done it will be a competitor to actual Android phones.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Desire v5

evo= 4g + 8mp camera (720p & livestream), second camera, hdmi out etc.
evo is the winner for me leo is kinda the small brother of the evo

I own the HD2 and running the fastest version of Android (see sig) for me.
My wife has an EVO. My daughter also has an EVO. I've played with both extensively.
EVO's 4G is still difficult to connect to or find 4G area. Others have posted main specs so I won't go into that.
If you like Android, the EVO is superior in every way except battery life and construction.
The HD2 gets about 3-4 more useable hours than the EVO, and this is with 4G off.
The battery cover on the EVO covers almost the entire back plate. It's plastic and cheap.
Android rarely ever hesitates on the EVO. Android is at least twice as fast on the EVO.
Android on HD2 - certainly useable with a few missing features
Android on EVO - lightening fast and amazing

One thing people seem to miss is that the EVO, or Sprint's '4G' network for that matter, is not true 4G. It's actually WiMAX simply branded as 4G, but yes it is faster than the LEOs 3G.
I have been using the XTarantula's eclair build and it has worked rather well so far =D

The evo prints money.
I grants you three wishes even if one of those wishes is for an Iphone 4.
I has an app that builds you an island then transforms into a jet and fly's you there.
Its Mf indestructable.
it has the wifi's but very few gb's.
but seriously... Hd2 vs the evo 4g. Are you kidding me. One is native android one is not. And the hd2 is the original the evo is the mistakes they fixed.
Would I rather have the evo not really Im not missing nothing. I mean video chat would just make sexting worse. other than that the more mp's doesnt mean crap for picture quality.
Personally aside from the poor battery life problems which is because of androids lack of a ability to manage the hardware this thing runs pretty well.
I am perfectly happy with my hd2... and heard they are going for 99 now? If so I should have waited.

I got to say EVO has a better technology but sprint kills it, firstly because is a CMDA phone, second because of the outrageous price for the internet, oh and there is NO 4g coverage in many areas and last BECAUSE in a couple of month ANOTHER much more better device will come out.
SO OVERALL HTC H2 (LEO) IS FAR BETTER THAN EVO

using the latest zimage(released today ) , the hd2 3d benchmark scored higher than the evo and similar to the desire , so we are nearly close to perfection , and the speed has increased allot with the latest zimage
iam using stock 1.66 rom without even hspl nor new radio and with 2gb class 2 card , and desie v5 rom and it is really fast

A lot of people seems to be comparing the two phones by "Speed" "Responsivnes" and "Performance".
Now my friend got an Evo 4G, and I an HD2, and I must admit, I'm afraid that the EVO is better on those terms. Yes, it is a bit bigger and bulkier, but Android does run better on it whatever people says. When browsing the home screens on Android on both mine and his phone, it is clear that the Evo 4G is faster. The benchmarks may say something else, but when it comes to what really matters, which is the user interface, and how it works, I must declare the Evo the winner. Its jut a lot faster, this might be hard to understand, but trust me, when sitting with both devies in your hands, there's no doubt.
Also, when it comes to hardware, the screen itself, feels a bit more responsive on the Evo, but nearly as fast as the Iphone, or Xperia X10 mini.
But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best

Stoferr said:
A lot of people seems to be comparing the two phones by "Speed" "Responsivnes" and "Performance".
Now my friend got an Evo 4G, and I an HD2, and I must admit, I'm afraid that the EVO is better on those terms. Yes, it is a bit bigger and bulkier, but Android does run better on it whatever people says. When browsing the home screens on Android on both mine and his phone, it is clear that the Evo 4G is faster. The benchmarks may say something else, but when it comes to what really matters, which is the user interface, and how it works, I must declare the Evo the winner. Its jut a lot faster, this might be hard to understand, but trust me, when sitting with both devies in your hands, there's no doubt.
Also, when it comes to hardware, the screen itself, feels a bit more responsive on the Evo, but nearly as fast as the Iphone, or Xperia X10 mini.
But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
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Wao! beautiful post!!
Thank you

Well, I don't consider the Evo to be the top native Android phone. I give that award to a member of the Galaxy S line. Better GPU + (IMO) better screen. But I digress...
While Android on the HD2 has improved by leaps and bounds over the last few weeks, it has a ways to go before it matches the Evo. Android is much smoother & faster on the Evo, not to mention the kinks that still need to be worked out on the HD2, and the better camera options on the Evo.

Stoferr said:
But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
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This is actually poetry, and I cannot agree more.
It's amazing to see all of these people working together to make this phone the best it can be, and I'm sure that as time progresses, Android on the HD2 will improve extensively, and I look forward to using it for day-to-day use.

I was also able to use a friends evo. For a few hours and ran various tests between evo and HD2 with desire v4. Their UI is definitely 25-50% smoother. Data speed was the same but the thing I noticed the most was UI smoothness and battery life. We went to Disney fully charged. And left at the same time, he still had power while I had all background services shut off and I've lost power. Total off charger time was 6 1/2 hrs
sent from my HTC HD2

awesome!!
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But which phone is the winner? For me its the HD2. Not because of the way that it runs Android, or because that's its a bit smaller. But because of the community that it has created. Never before have I seen so many people dedicated to develope, test, and take part in all kinds of porting and hacking. It is beatifull to see Android work so good on the phone even tho its miles away from being perfect.
It is stunning to see the hundreds if not thousands of ROM's developed for this one and only phone, where people has been so great at providing feedback, to the skilled developers that this community boosts.
And that's why that this phone wins. Because of you! You guys are all the best
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Raary101 said:
This is actually poetry, and I cannot agree more.
It's amazing to see all of these people working together to make this phone the best it can be, and I'm sure that as time progresses, Android on the HD2 will improve extensively, and I look forward to using it for day-to-day use.
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awesome statement there. i personally have been part of a group much like this. it for a device called the casio be300. it was a pda that didn't get a windows os, and we all felt screwed... like the hd2 not getting win7phone. like this group, we all banded together and and flashed the nand to run all sorts of OSs. this whole experience for me is like a dream of the past. it is great!
i've never been so happy i made the right choice in getting this phone over some of the other t-mobile phones i was looking at. =)

What I don't understand is the large difference in 'smoothness' of the UI between HD2 and native android devices, such as Evo/Desire.
People will say, 'it's beta!' or 'it's running from sdcard instead of nand!', but: HW3D is already implemented (and finished as far as I know), and running from slow storage (sd card) cannot make any difference. When scrolling through the icons, GPU+CPU will be used, not storage.
So what can be causing this 'slow' UI on the HD2 vs Evo?

Drazix said:
What I don't understand is the large difference in 'smoothness' of the UI between HD2 and native android devices, such as Evo/Desire.
People will say, 'it's beta!' or 'it's running from sdcard instead of nand!', but: HW3D is already implemented (and finished as far as I know), and running from slow storage (sd card) cannot make any difference. When scrolling through the icons, GPU+CPU will be used, not storage.
So what can be causing this 'slow' UI on the HD2 vs Evo?
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Running from sd card can and will make things run slower.. Nand is always faster than flash memory. And a lot of the drivers had to be constructed so they arent as optimized as they would have been had htc designed the phone for android in the first place.

Another thing about the slow UI, is the slow screen. HD2's screen got a pretty bad response time compared to many other devices, which is really a shame.
To see this yourself, when on the homescreen in Winmo with sense, use the slider in the bottom of the screen. Slide it forwards and backwards and notice the delay.

Stoferr said:
Another thing about the slow UI, is the slow screen. HD2's screen got a pretty bad response time compared to many other devices, which is really a shame.
To see this yourself, when on the homescreen in Winmo with sense, use the slider in the bottom of the screen. Slide it forwards and backwards and notice the delay.
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dont you think that could be solved by a registry edit.

Stoferr said:
Another thing about the slow UI, is the slow screen. HD2's screen got a pretty bad response time compared to many other devices, which is really a shame.
To see this yourself, when on the homescreen in Winmo with sense, use the slider in the bottom of the screen. Slide it forwards and backwards and notice the delay.
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OT Alert: You want fast scrolling between sense tabs in WinMo? Cleanex Ultra Awesome has the fastest speeds known to Sense and HD2
But I digress...
EVO looks like a beast of a device... best Android hardware out there is the Samsung Galaxy S, imho...
Love the "best of both worlds" we have with our HD2 though

HD2 vs Galaxy S - Which would you take?

Short version here is that I already have a HD2 and currently playing with the Android builds that are available.
Now I've just been given a Samsung Galaxy S with an upgrade (get it in 2 days) and I must admit as much as I'd like to keep it, there's a part of me that thinks that the HD2 is the better phone, especially as it looks like we are going to have a stable droid build in the near future (devs really are top folk).
So, take the phone built for droid or stick with what I have and hope droid gets perfected on it in the near future?
Opinions welcome

todd69 said:
Short version here is that I already have a HD2 and currently playing with the Android builds that are available.
Now I've just been given a Samsung Galaxy S with an upgrade (get it in 2 days) and I must admit as much as I'd like to keep it, there's a part of me that thinks that the HD2 is the better phone, especially as it looks like we are going to have a stable droid build in the near future (devs really are top folk).
So, take the phone built for droid or stick with what I have and hope droid gets perfected on it in the near future?
Opinions welcome
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It's hard to say. It really depends what OS you favor. If you like WM (as a backup) and Android (albeit buggy and laggy) on the same phone, take the HD2. If you want Android to be the primary OS, take the Galaxy S.
Keep in mind the Android port won't be perfect (at least for a while). For example, the Rhodium (Touch Pro2) port has been going on longer than the HD2 port, and it still has many bugs and features that do not work.
If you really want both devices, why not keep both and alternate phones each week?
I'm personally not ready to switch to Android as a full-time OS on a phone. WM has a lot of tweakability inside and Android still has its time to mature.

See where you are coming from and if I can get away with it may just sneak the samsung away
I've always like WM over the years and love the tweaking abilities with it, I think I'm just a bit tired of it on the HD2 as IMO you still need a stylus when you get past the front end, well I do with my big chubby fingers LOL
Android is nice, had a Nexus One when they first came out but found the camera and a few other things lacking so sold it pretty quick.
To many toys and not enough time I suppose LOL

Well, atm it's very hard to say. As I own a HD2 and like it still very much, I'm not planning to buy a new toy within the next, let's say 3 months. After that I will definitely buy an Android-phone because WP7 sucks already D) and the HD2 will stay THE WM6.5.x-phone - maybe forever.
If I had to buy an Android-phone tomorrow, I'd buy a Galaxy S (Pro) - but I think I would sell it again for the next Android-flagship by HTC, what ever it will be.

if you like to have a faster gpu than go for the galaxy S because it has the fastest gpu units of all smartphones today

Personally I am biased towards android. If it werent for the 4.3 inch display of the hd2 I would have dumped it long ago. Windows mobile is so mature that At the end of this year windows phone 7 is coming out. People have all but stopped developing stuff for it. It still has a great community in xda but frankly windows mobile interface sucks. Maybe I'm a dunce but I could never find proper twitter widgets.
Android isnt perfect on the hd2 and may never be. But lets see I think bluetooth and the camcorder mode doesnt work. Also call quality may be lacking. All things I Can deal with.
Personally Ive seen the samsung captivate which I believe is the At&t variant and I love it. Save yourself and stick which the phone thats native android.

I played with AT&T's version at the store. I don't like Samsung's UI much, but the screen rocks. I didn't notice the screen size difference much.
Deal breaker for me is actually the charging port. It's microUSB with a slick slide cover, BUT THEY PUT IT ON THE TOP OF THE PHONE!!! What engineer thought that was a good idea?
If the Android port weren't going so well and if weren't for the dumb port placement, I'd be on the Galaxy S series now.

hd2 vs galaxy s
hi all, just to give my input on the subject...
First of all HD2 is the only device that is capable of running both WM and Android.
I got the galaxy for my wife, and am not impressed, here is why:
1. build quality sucks, it feels flimzy, all plastic with no substance.
2. doesn't sink with Samsung software
3. Samsung support sucks.
4. android is not the latest build (apparently it will get upgraded)
5. with original ROM it is slow and chunky.
6. GPS has issues.
7. UI looks like certain fruty devices available in black or white...
I have HD2 with many twins, Energy ROM, and also running Android as a second boot.
Android runs smooth with minor issues: no GPS, BT,and not very loud. Camcorder works fine with third party app. so does flashlight. For those worring about Windows needing a stylus, well how often do you see the original UI? plus what version r u running? HD2 is in my opinion the best of both worlds and the best phone to by. it is definitely for people with some comp knoledge rather than the push the button mentality.

I'm sticking with winmo until WP7 matures a little.
Yes WinMo is approaching the end of its cycle, but since it is, most anything you could think you want is available.
Just installed a PSX emulator and am playing Final Fantasy 7 right now.
I can watch just about any type of video.
More music options than I can count.
I guess for me, the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality applies.

well after 24hrs with the Galaxy, the HD2 is going
Tough choice as I love playing with these new droid builds coming out, they really are great but after spending the day with a full blown droid phone, god it's fast, seems a lot faster than the Nexus One I had, weird!
No issues with satnav for me and UI suits me fine.
I'll be sad to finally say goodbye to WM, it's been a gadget lovers delight over the years
Thanks for the input all

If its an upgrade why cant you have both?
Ive never had to give back my old phone when I got an upgrade.......
I was looking forward to having a shiny new android beast to sit next to my HD2 when the time comes.......you've got me worried now.
If T Mobile think they're gonna take my HD2 away they've got another thing coming.......

LOL, no don't have to give the phone back but would rather sell it than have it sitting in the spare drawer.

Eh, with the HD2 in a month or two I think its Android build will have the same performance as the Nexus One and similar phones. Plus, it will be the only 4.3 inch screen phone on T-mobile with Android.
Yeah, the Galaxy still has a better GPU, but I have never played a single 3D game on my HD2 really. Probably because it has no amazing 3D games but...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7500539#post7500539

Definitely Galaxy S! I Have HD2 for 6 months now and I've already flashed the device like 212109863489458 times (lol) and it' s getting annoying i have to flash my device every 2 weeks because of bugs. I don' t think that' s the case with android + The hummingbird processor beats snapdragon. I've seen benchmarks which shows an unreleased new HTC phone (everybody speculating about dual core snapdragon) saying that it' s a super fast new HTC. And guess what... The Galaxy S even beats that one in benchmarks... Don' t get me wrong I love my [email protected], best phone I' ve ever had to this date, but the combination Hummingbird and android (soon 2.2) is a better choice I think.. Hope this helps.

galaxy s doesnt even have a flash ! lol! gay phone !

Hello there!!. i am doubt on this question too. I have a hd2 from 8 months ago, and ... really, hd2 ROCKS!. but have some inconvenients like battery life, or wm6.5 and that this will not be upgradable to wm7. Given, android runs really fine but the future of this os on my hd2 makes me doubt a little.
So, what about the galaxy S battery life, gps, photo positioning, screens ...?, it will be possible to flash futures ROMS of android like Android 3.0, i´m ready to say good to WM. But for the moment, i know that on my hd2 it will be possible to flash, maybe, all futures androids roms, whatever they are.

Well I decided to sell the Galaxy S, really nice phone but I much prefer being able to pick and choose the android builds and WM roms to play with, if you like that kind of thing, stay with the HD2.
Now that I have setcpu set up on my android build the battery life is very good.
GPS on the galaxy can be a bit iffy, read the forums and you'll see lots of issues, the camera isn't as good as the HD2 and the lack of flash is a definite issue IMO.
The screen is stunning on the galaxy but the HD2 screen size makes up for this.

coolbeer1990 said:
galaxy s doesnt even have a flash ! lol! gay phone !
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Don't be so quick to judge a book by its cover.
Camera flash on the HD2 (and other devices) only work up to a certain distance -- then, the flash becomes useless as it is unable to provide enough light to illuminate the surroundings. The HD2's "night mode" is, imo, horrible; my older, cheaper camera phones had better "night mode" pictures. As seen in the photos in the link, the Galaxy S's "night mode" allows it to capture images at long distances, without flash, and the image is decent.
Its camera -- or more accurately, its camcorder-- actually has a slight advantage over the HD2's. Android OS allows the phone to capture HD videos, whereas WM has limitations that prevent the HD2 from recording in HD. I've seen some videos shot by the Galaxy S, and I have to say I'm very impressed.

That´s ok. But now, the QUESTION. Will be the Galaxy S upgradable to android 3.0?? This could be a GOOD FAVOUR POINT for this device, and if it couldnt be, sucks. Anyone know something about this?? my HD2 is right now open to all this supposed SO roms.
What the hell ... hahaha

hd2 vs samsung vibrant

Hi.
I have my hd2 for about 3 months now and i really like it, but this morning on my way to work my phone died. Screen went black while i was browsing the net. I restarted it but phone is stuck on tmobile stick together splash screen. I was still rocking original tmous rom, so I called customer service and they told me that they will ship me a new one and also that i will have another 14 day trial period with it. So basically i can return this phone and pick another one. one of my friends got vibrant yesterday and i spent some time playing with it and phone seems to be pretty nice as well plus it runs android and since my last phone was g1 i am kinda used to it. Thing is i dont really like samsung phones as i had some bad experience with them in the past, so my question is, would You change your hd2 for vibrant if you had the opportunity? if yes please explain why.

I just saw it at the store about 30 minutes ago. I will say this, while being a nice phone, the avatar demo movie playing on it was chopping up and glitching a bunch. Not sure if thats the phone, or the player but video on the HD2 played way smoother and cleaner. Other then that I couldn't tell you anything. And your answer from me would be, HELL NO!! The HD2 just has too much going for it compared to everyother phone. Look at the rate of progress they are deving android for it! Near the speed of light. I could see droid being your stable OS on the HD2 in under 1 month.

The vibrant is a great phone, but not perfect either. I think in this case once again the choice just comes down to whether you get along better with Android or WM.
But, keep in mind that you'll likely never find a WM version ported to the Vibrant, where as the HD2 has several Android builds that are mostly working on it right now, and a fully-functional version should happen before very long.

i use both phones. the hd2, primarily for work and the vibrant as my "daily driver". both phones have some setbacks. with the hd2, my biggest complaint, on the latest stock rom, has been lagging and freezing during and after sending sms and mms. i usually have to soft reset my phone during these cases.
however, i am sure flashing of some custom roms should solve this issue but i have not had the time to do so. overall, i love the build quality of the hd2 and its gorgeous 4.3" display. i'm also running a dual boot of the latest android froyo port on it and it almost runs as smooth as the android os on my vibrant.
my biggest gripes about the vibrant is its overall build quality. it's pretty much plastic all over and very lightweight. there are some creaks during vibration.
while this might be a setback it's also one of the phone's strengths. some times i forget that it's in my pocket. it's very portable/pocketable and slim. bear in mind, it's screen is 4", not that much smaller than the hd2's. also its weight literally feels like a feather vs. the weight of the hd2.
my other complaint about the vibrant is the TouchWiz skinned interface. it looks a lot like the iphone. heck, the overall look of the phone looks like the iphone 3gs. however, i soon got over that that by installing some home theme replacement apps/ui such as Launcher Pro and ADW launder free from the android market. these themed UI apps look just like vanilla froyo roms and actually run smoother then the touchwiz theme.
Overall, the vibrant is seems to run a lot smoother, quicker v. the hd2 in terms of app launching and scrolling, screen transitioning, and gaming. furthermore, texting is great. no lags nor freezes and the included swype keyboard trumps the one provided by the hd2. no lags, delays, etc whatsoever. however, there are some lags and glitches here and there when running a number of apps or when using the android market. just like the hd2 and the winmo OS, there are task killers that you can download from the android market place. and let's not forget the beautiful and vibrant (yes, tmobile got it right with this nickname) the screen is. i literally have the brightness set at 0 and it's still stands out a bit vs. my hd2 set at about 20 pct to save battery. honestly, i've never seen a smartphone reproduce such colors in terms of watching movies like avatar so vividly. i'd say it's almost on par with the beautiful display of the iphone 4.
if you decide to purchase the vibrant, make use of the 14 day return period. make use of the android market and look in to this website, xda and see what the vibrant is capable of. rooting is SUPER easy on this phone and a froyo build should be coming out soon from team cyanogen (i.e. wes garner). The official OTA on android 2.2 will likely be out by the end of September for this phone as well.

I had an Android phone for about 18 months, and I've had my HD2 for about 4...
I love the HD2. Best phone I've ever had. The G1 was cool when it came out, and I was impressed initally, but it only took a week or so before it started to get "buggy". Once I rooted it, nothing imporved and I was constantly out of touch for hours at a time due to booting, wiping, flashing, etc...
HD2 totally different story. Say what you will about Windows Mobile 6.5, but it is very customizable and powerful, capable of many great feats. Not nearly as proprietary as iPhone or the upcoming WP7. And as of now as far as I know Microsoft is on record as stating they will be supporting and upgrading 6.5 for the next two years at least even though WP7 will be out.
The HD2 is very quick. The stock Opera browser, while not having native flash is very quick to load full media-rich pages. Having Office 2010 preloaded is a big plus for me, also.
I play the Ferrari GT Evolution game all the time, and since I got a class 6 SD Card, there is very little lag or stutter at all, graphics are very imressive. I know the Vibrant has a better screen but I think the HD2's is good enough to where this would not be considered a "deal breaker" (like not having a freakin' flash on your top model phone, I mean, come on, Samsung, is everyone there shooting meth?).
I have not had any problems with MMS, Text, or Facebook or Twitter on my HD2. All run very smoothly. I have 5 email accounts up and synching nicely.
As far as watching movies, if you have to run them side by side to tell the difference, again, I file it in the "not a dealbreaker" category. All I know is I can watch True Blood in H264 just fine on my HD2 and not even use 35% of the battery.
Battery life on the HD2 for me seems to be about a full day, plus a half if not having wifi on all the time.
People complain about the size but I love it. I like having a big, solidly-built smartphone that I know is sitting in my pocket and not going anywhere.
Anyway, I haven't played with the Vibrant yet so I can't do a comparison, but the flash for me is a big one, because I use the camera on my HD2 constantly. But my advice would be not to write off the HD2 just because of everything you hear about it. Give it a shot. It's a great phone.
Hope that helps.

to be fair, the op was asking about the vibrant. i also have a rooted g1 and i'd have to say the vibrant murders the g1 in every aspect. i have not rooted the vibrant out of the box because of how much internal memory it has (16 gb) and its blazing speed.
mfrey0118 said:
I had an Android phone for about 18 months, and I've had my HD2 for about 4...
I love the HD2. Best phone I've ever had. The G1 was cool when it came out, and I was impressed initally, but it only took a week or so before it started to get "buggy". Once I rooted it, nothing imporved and I was constantly out of touch for hours at a time due to booting, wiping, flashing, etc...
HD2 totally different story. Say what you will about Windows Mobile 6.5, but it is very customizable and powerful, capable of many great feats. Not nearly as proprietary as iPhone or the upcoming WP7. And as of now as far as I know Microsoft is on record as stating they will be supporting and upgrading 6.5 for the next two years at least even though WP7 will be out.
The HD2 is very quick. The stock Opera browser, while not having native flash is very quick to load full media-rich pages. Having Office 2010 preloaded is a big plus for me, also.
I play the Ferrari GT Evolution game all the time, and since I got a class 6 SD Card, there is very little lag or stutter at all, graphics are very imressive. I know the Vibrant has a better screen but I think the HD2's is good enough to where this would not be considered a "deal breaker" (like not having a freakin' flash on your top model phone, I mean, come on, Samsung, is everyone there shooting meth?).
I have not had any problems with MMS, Text, or Facebook or Twitter on my HD2. All run very smoothly. I have 5 email accounts up and synching nicely.
As far as watching movies, if you have to run them side by side to tell the difference, again, I file it in the "not a dealbreaker" category. All I know is I can watch True Blood in H264 just fine on my HD2 and not even use 35% of the battery.
Battery life on the HD2 for me seems to be about a full day, plus a half if not having wifi on all the time.
People complain about the size but I love it. I like having a big, solidly-built smartphone that I know is sitting in my pocket and not going anywhere.
Anyway, I haven't played with the Vibrant yet so I can't do a comparison, but the flash for me is a big one, because I use the camera on my HD2 constantly. But my advice would be not to write off the HD2 just because of everything you hear about it. Give it a shot. It's a great phone.
Hope that helps.
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ryan562 said:
to be fair, the op was asking about the vibrant. i also have a rooted g1 and i'd have to say the vibrant murders the g1 in every aspect. i have not rooted the vibrant out of the box because of how much internal memory it has (16 gb) and its blazing speed.
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To be accurate, they were asking if anyone would trade their HD2 for the Vibrant. I simply wanted to have an opportunity to let the OP know that his HD2 experience may be the exception rather than the norm, and to familiarize himself with how to use the device instead of simply giving up on it.

Thx for the replys.
I decided to stick with hd2. I flashed a custom rom same day i got my replacement and it really improved speed of the phone and everything work as smooth as i expected. On top of that im runing darkstone's froyo now and im loving it.

nomadwgk said:
Hi.
I have my hd2 for about 3 months now and i really like it, but this morning on my way to work my phone died. Screen went black while i was browsing the net. I restarted it but phone is stuck on tmobile stick together splash screen. I was still rocking original tmous rom, so I called customer service and they told me that they will ship me a new one and also that i will have another 14 day trial period with it. So basically i can return this phone and pick another one. one of my friends got vibrant yesterday and i spent some time playing with it and phone seems to be pretty nice as well plus it runs android and since my last phone was g1 i am kinda used to it. Thing is i dont really like samsung phones as i had some bad experience with them in the past, so my question is, would You change your hd2 for vibrant if you had the opportunity? if yes please explain why.
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No i wouod keep the hd2 but thats just me...but i agree with you on the samsung topic they really arent the greatest...
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

[Q] Is HD2 working android like "true android phones"?

Hi dear, I'm a possible buyer of T-Mobile HTC HD2 since I heard T-Mobile one is faster than International one in terms of a size of rom and ram memory.
By the way, I'm still wondering if HD2 works perfectly and smoothly with the custom roms in this forum like true android phones(galaxy s, desire, evo etc...)
I'm currently using galaxy s but I'm planning to sell it.
Is it good decision to get hd2 instead of galaxy s?
Please give me any advice...
I like to handle or play with the phone
I think I will not be bored with hd2 that's why I try to sell Galaxy s and get hd2 although galaxy s is newer and android based phone.
Many questions are here! Please come and give me the answer.

Galaxy S vs HD2... is a close tossup.
I'd only do it if you 1) were extremely tech savvy... if you aren't to the point where compiling your own kernel object doesn't seem like like an insurmountable hurdle, the HD2 will be painful for you. 2) really want the extra screen size and 3) need the difference in money that you'd net from selling the galaxy s properly.
Right now, unless you are lucky enough to have an sd card that doesnt cause sleep of death issues (which, I've noticed, is more likely amongst those using non-SDHC cards), the phone is 'not ready for prime-time' imo. Maybe NAND will change that, maybe not.
I went from a Cliq to the HD2, and do not regret the decision at all, even though I have half the storage space that I had before, as I am forced to use a 2gb card to avoid SOD. But the Cliq was a really terrible phone, and I've heard nothing but good things about the Galaxy S.
just my 2 cents.

I'm not extremely tech savvy, but number 2) and 3) are suitable for me. I want hd2 since it has better design and big screen(even though the resolution and the color expression are not as fantastic as galaxy s.)
I already ordered T-Mobile HTC HD2 with 16 gb sd memory card. Is it okay to use?
It's sandisk. it is good?

I'd go with an actual Android as oppose to and HD2, unless price is a concern. A port is a port after all...
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Better. I swear. Better.
My cousin that's staying with me has the Vibrant, and I swear, it isn't as good as the HD2.
Advantages of the Vibrant over the HD2:
-HD video recording
-AMOLED screen
-Better battery life
-1Ghz A4 Cortex Hummingbird CPU
Yup. That's all I can think of.
Advantages of HD2 over Vibrant (in my opinion):
-Heavier, more solid feeling (not just plastic)
-Larger screen (4.3" vs 4.0")
-Glass screen, nearly unscratchable.
-Flexibility (many different Android builds)
-Froyo (U.S. Vibrants are stuck with Eclair until the update rolls out later this month)
-Gingerbread (we will probably have it on before the Vibrant, if it gets it at all)
-Faster (unless you root the Vibrant and change the file system, which my cousin does not want to do)
I can probably go on and on, and I also wasn't comparing to other smartphones on the market as I haven't used them much.
Anyway, most of the HD2's advantages are due to the developers here. It can't get any better than XDA.
(it is my opinion stated above, some people might think differently)

Oh, how come?
I read one comment that actually hd2 is faster than actual android phones.

I am a Samsung Vibrant user and picked up a HD2 to tinker on with Android since updates for the samsung are painfully slow for me coming from a Nexus.
I am now in love with the HD2 and use it daily running android. My Vibrant is sitting on the counter with a dead battery collecting dust. If you love to tinker and like to try a nice huge variety of roms you will love the HD2.
Dont get me wrong the Samsung is a wonderful phone but the HD2 is a tinkers dream.
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psykick5 said:
Better. I swear. Better.
My cousin that's staying with me has the Vibrant, and I swear, it isn't as good as the HD2.
Advantages of the Vibrant over the HD2:
-HD video recording
-AMOLED screen
-Better battery life
-1Ghz A4 Cortex Hummingbird CPU
Yup. That's all I can think of.
Advantages of HD2 over Vibrant (in my opinion):
-Heavier, more solid feeling (not just plastic)
-Larger screen (4.3" vs 4.0")
-Glass screen, nearly unscratchable.
-Flexibility (many different Android builds)
-Froyo (U.S. Vibrants are stuck with Eclair until the update rolls out later this month)
-Gingerbread (we will probably have it on before the Vibrant, if it gets it at all)
-Faster (unless you root the Vibrant and change the file system, which my cousin does not want to do)
I can probably go on and on, and I also wasn't comparing to other smartphones on the market as I haven't used them much.
Anyway, most of the HD2's advantages are due to the developers here. It can't get any better than XDA.
(it is my opinion stated above, some people might think differently)
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Haha Great Information psykick5, I must go with HD2 then!
By the way,
What is the most stable combination roms for android, psykick5??

18.4009 said:
I am a Samsung Vibrant user and picked up a HD2 to tinker on with Android since updates for the samsung are painfully slow for me coming from a Nexus.
I am now in love with the HD2 and use it daily running android. My Vibrant is sitting on the counter with a dead battery collecting dust. If you love to tinker and like to try a nice huge variety of roms you will love the HD2.
Dont get me wrong the Samsung is a wonderful phone but the HD2 is a tinkers dream.
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That's what I want to be. Could you give me the best combination for HD2(Most stable and smooth)?

im using elegancia for winmo, froyostone for android
works like a charm with minimal issues..
radio rom 2.14 and 2.15 are most stable with battery usage fixed
there are many other combinations though

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I'd only do it if you 1) were extremely tech savvy... if you aren't to the point where compiling your own kernel object doesn't seem like like an insurmountable hurdle, the HD2 will be painful for you. 2) really want the extra screen size and 3) need the difference in money that you'd net from selling the galaxy s properly.
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I disagree that you have to be super duper tech savvy to do this kind of stuff. A little bit of linux background doesn't hurt, but if you're comfortable with with tinkering and willing to learn and mess around some, Android on the HD2 isn't that big of a project. On the other hand, there is a fair amount trial/error and therefore a fair amount of time needs to be invested into getting your perfect Android build.

The hd2 will probably never run android as well as a galaxy s. It will always be a hacked on version of android on the hd2. A rooted galaxy with all the hacks you will find here on xda will make the galaxy run much smoother and better than the hd2. And i'm sure you will get gingerbread rom as quick as the hd2 does here on xda. It may not be official, but neither is any of hd2s builds. If you want to run android full time, stick with a native android phone. If you want to also have winmo on your phone, then the hd2 is a good choice... but don't expect to run android better on a hd2. The galaxy has a better CPU and gpu ... when you root it and apply fixes found here on xda, it will run android better than any current phone out there... except maybe the desire HD.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I'm using 2.15 ROM with ChunkyDroidROM and random Mdeejay builds.
One thing to remember with an HD2 with Android, if anything goes wrong, don't be angry, it wasn't supposed to have this anyway.
Cheers.
Enjoy the HD2
(above post is quite true, but I enjoy the flexibility. Oh, don't forget WP7 could be in the pipeline )

jorkobe23 said:
Oh, how come?
I read one comment that actually hd2 is faster than actual android phones.
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I wouldn't say faster than all of the Android phones... one of the fastest two maybe - then yea...
Quadrant so far has been the benchmarking tool for lots of phones... Galaxy kills with points over 2000 but that's only it scores high on 3D Open GL which is not utilized by the Android OS at all - therefore, yea - HD2 is one of two fastest Android phones - and it runs it from the SD Card ... I can't wait for NAND version just to get rid of this WinMo junk

Well I sold my galaxy s and bought an hd2 almost brand new and a used psp handheld with the money, I will never look back.
The galaxy s at first I loved that bright vibrant screen and the devices light weight, but soon even both of these points annoyed, the screen brightness could never be adjusted low enough for nighttime reading, the galaxy s had no flash for the camera, which I use a lot on the hd2 also this is such a powerful torch a well, but probably the biggest problem I found with my galaxy s was the unreliable gps and mine was better than some.
With the hd2 you get extreme flexibility the ability to try many many android builds you can mix and match your windows mobile roms with your android builds and play about with all kind of radios, you can try sense builds, standard builds to highly customised builds, one day on the horizon hd2 will get its chance to be a stand along android with the nand development, it might even get windows 7, my preferred choice of build is now mdeejays, evo warm with kernel 7.6, with a few tweaks and set cpui have this running all the time occasionally visiting windows mobile for the odd application that android doesn't have.

A lot of people will give you different combinations that work, it's all a case of "your mileage may vary".
I for instance run Chuckys Tabtastic GTX rom for WinMo and MDeeJey's Froyo HD 3.6 and everything is smooth as butter, so long as you don't mind the camera not working. (That's because the actual rom it's built from doesn't have the camera code available yet, but it will come soonish).
So long as you are willing to do a lot of initial reading and have patience before you start flashing anything you should love the capabilities and flexibility of the HD2. After all, pretty soon you should also be able to run MeeGo on it as well (and who knows, maybe even Windows Phone 7??)

psykick5 said:
I'm using 2.15 ROM with ChunkyDroidROM and random Mdeejay builds.
One thing to remember with an HD2 with Android, if anything goes wrong, don't be angry, it wasn't supposed to have this anyway.
Cheers.
Enjoy the HD2
(above post is quite true, but I enjoy the flexibility. Oh, don't forget WP7 could be in the pipeline )
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That's what I expect from HD2.
I know it has more flexible than any other phones.
I bet I would like my HD2 more than galaxy s.
Nothing interest on my galaxy s actually... especially UI... hu

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THUDUK said:
Well I sold my galaxy s and bought an hd2 almost brand new and a used psp handheld with the money, I will never look back.
The galaxy s at first I loved that bright vibrant screen and the devices light weight, but soon even both of these points annoyed, the screen brightness could never be adjusted low enough for nighttime reading, the galaxy s had no flash for the camera, which I use a lot on the hd2 also this is such a powerful torch a well, but probably the biggest problem I found with my galaxy s was the unreliable gps and mine was better than some.
With the hd2 you get extreme flexibility the ability to try many many android builds you can mix and match your windows mobile roms with your android builds and play about with all kind of radios, you can try sense builds, standard builds to highly customised builds, one day on the horizon hd2 will get its chance to be a stand along android with the nand development, it might even get windows 7, my preferred choice of build is now mdeejays, evo warm with kernel 7.6, with a few tweaks and set cpui have this running all the time occasionally visiting windows mobile for the odd application that android doesn't have.
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Cool answer thanks, THUDUK. I'm on the same way as you.
I like to play with my phone but galaxy s is not really customizable..
I mean it can't available to use HTC phone's roms! haha
I love sense UI and I expect hd2 to will get windows 7 rom.
I won't look back like you THUDUK.

Meego?
Reno_79 said:
A lot of people will give you different combinations that work, it's all a case of "your mileage may vary".
I for instance run Chuckys Tabtastic GTX rom for WinMo and MDeeJey's Froyo HD 3.6 and everything is smooth as butter, so long as you don't mind the camera not working. (That's because the actual rom it's built from doesn't have the camera code available yet, but it will come soonish).
So long as you are willing to do a lot of initial reading and have patience before you start flashing anything you should love the capabilities and flexibility of the HD2. After all, pretty soon you should also be able to run MeeGo on it as well (and who knows, maybe even Windows Phone 7??)
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Thanks for answer Reno,
I used to use N900 which has Meego OS. But I don't think it's as good as other OS... So slow on N900 (I think due to resistive touch screen and bad CPU)..
I'm expecting HD2 will get WM7 OS..
By the way, my new HD2 is T-Mobile version..
what do I have to install in order to install the roms on my phone?

the only issue i face with android on hd2 is light sensor i can't get it t work good

Going to purchase a hd2 solely to run andriod...

Going to purchase a hd2 solely to run andriod, how does andriod run on it? How responsive is it? Does it lag? Are there any issues?
Just need overall feedback on the andriod experience runnin on the hd2...

y dont u just buy an android phone if u wan android?

It would be stupid to buy and HD2 solely for Android. The port is still not perfect, the battery drain high, and there are still many things not working.
If you want solely Android, do yourself a favor, and buy a Desire HD.

Wildcopper said:
It would be stupid to buy and HD2 solely for Android. The port is still not perfect, the battery drain high, and there are still many things not working.
If you want solely Android, do yourself a favor, and buy a Desire HD.
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I would love to buy a desire hd but I'm in ny and it doesn't work here... and I'm on t-mobile so buying a evo is out of the question also...

omnia1994 said:
y dont u just buy an android phone if u wan android?
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I'm using a nexus one I just want a bigger screen

For bigger Screen, with out any other thought you can simply buy a Desire HD, which is far more better than HD2 in all aspects

Using Android as every day system on my HD2, didn't boot in WM last 2-3 weeks.
Battery drain isn't high, for me it's equals or less then in WM. It does lag sometimes, but my friend's native android motorola does lag too.
I would say that Evo 4G or Desire HD would be a better option for android, but for me Evo wasn't an options as Iam not on CDMA, and Desire HD costs 300$ more then HD2 for almost same hardware.

I would love to buy the desire hd but it doesn't work in the US, more specifically new york, an I'm on tmo so evo is a no go...

i'm using android on my hd2 since august, never booted winmo again cause android works perfect for me. no need for winmo for me anymore.
battery drain is high, but when you have the possibility to recharge every evening it's no problem at all.

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Uh, I've ran three Android builds (Desire base, CM6.1 base, HD base), and I barely see any problems with any of them. Worst yet is just some lag on the HD build and MMS refusing to work on the 6.1 build.
I got my HD2 solely for Android for $200 w/o contract. In all honesty, it's a super good "budget" Android phone, but like others said get a Desire HD/G2/native Android phone if money is no worries to you.

The galaxy s line of phone have 4 inch screens... or wait a few weeks and get a nexus s. That is going to be Google's new development phone, so newer apps and games will be built to take better advantage of the better gpu and chipset in the nexus s and the galaxy s line of phones.
Or wait a month or 2 and I'm sure there will be another native android phone with 4.3 inch screen.
You should definitely get a native android phone if you're just going to run android. The hd2 only runs a port, and it will always be a port. In the long run you will be much better with a native android phone. I can understand 4-6 months ago getting the hd2 for the big screen... but now there is many more choices out there for android. Also, I'm sure in a few months our devs will be moving on to new devices, and development will slow down for the hd2... at this point I would go for a newer device instead of a phone that's already 1 1/2 years old.... especially if you're not going to use winmo. If you were going to use winmo, it would be a completely different story, as the hd2 is going to be the last, greatest winmo device probably.... but just for android, go for a newer android device that still has a life ahead of it.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I think Android runs really well on the HD2, even faster than some "real" Android phones (Like Galaxy S, which btw feels so damn plastic). But you have to be prepared that some functions might not work (like 720p recording). Ive used Android as my main OS since August without any big problems.

Smygflik said:
I think Android runs really well on the HD2, even faster than some "real" Android phones (Like Galaxy S, which btw feels so damn plastic). But you have to be prepared that some functions might not work (like 720p recording). Ive used Android as my main OS since August without any big problems.
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I don't mind no 720p minor issues like that are not a problem...

Smygflik said:
I think Android runs really well on the HD2, even faster than some "real" Android phones (Like Galaxy S, which btw feels so damn plastic). But you have to be prepared that some functions might not work (like 720p recording). Ive used Android as my main OS since August without any big problems.
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720p recording does work now.....
I tried Android on my HD2 just 2 months ago and I was totally blown away with the rich application base and customisations that can be done to it. Battery drain wise is manageable with some cpu settings and tweaks. I had a Hero some time ago and I took a peek at the Hero section and was astonished that they are already running froyo roms too! So in that context I think that the HD2 Android development still have a long way to go before developers and chef starts to move on to another device...
Besides, with Nand multiple boot options coming along, you get to choose running various platform on one device like WM7 with Android and to me, that is soooooo amazing!!!

wait for gingerbread and buy nexus1,desire hd is another option but running android on HD2 has its own fun.you will become flasher after few days of buying HD2.

I bought a HD2 a few months back purely to run Android and I haven't regretted it for a second. I've got friends with Galaxy S's and other Android phones, and I wouldn't swap mine for any of them.
There is only one other phone with a 4.3" screen, the Desire HD, but that costs twice (or more) what you can pick up a HD2 for. And with other phones, how many of them have fully unlocked bootloaders? We know that when 2.3 and 3.0 come out the HD2 will get them within a day or so, you can't say that about most Android phones coming out now as they lock them up tighter and tighter. My mate is still waiting for 2.2 on his Galaxy.
I get no lag at all running CM6.1, my only remaining problems are that I'll occasionally get high current draw that needs a reboot to clear, and that if you use the SD card mount thing within the phone sooner or later you'll get data corruption (a consequence of running Android off the SD card and then trying to mount it elsewhere). I wouldn't complain if the battery life was better, but I'm happy to stick it on the charger each night. There's people complaining of battery life on the Desire HD too, that big screen takes some juice to run.
Frankly I don't care at all that we don't install to NAND, it adds a few seconds to the boot time and then you don't notice it. In return you can make a 1 or 2G data img and never have to worry about running out of app space like native android phones do.

a Desire HD if in euro or a Evo if in US would be the best solution for you if you are a simple person and wanted a android phone on a 4.3" screen and wanted it rooted (you would not be on XDA if you were average Joe/Jane)
This is the most obvious solution for the OP.
In my case I owned a G1,G2 (MAGIC,Before the real G2) and an N1 before exchanging the N1 for a HD2.... originally I found the HD2 + WM + Android a chore and flashing this radio, formatting my sdcard this and that way to make android perform the same as my N1.... then I found I could settle for a problem here and there to get the ability to have multi roms and not worry about nandroiding...

I switched from a nexus one and I solely run android. Windows sucks and I have been very happy with my decision. If you know how to use adb then you will be fine
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

HD2 is a tinkerers phone,if you like tinkering around with different builds and roms then its ideal,solely as an android phone it ok,performance is good,even a bit faster than my girlfriends Desire but dont expect it to be perfect like native android phones and yes it simular Hardware to the desire HD but acording the guys on here in that section of the section of this forum,our beloved sister phone has a phew issues so im gonna say,down to personal preffrance,if it was me and was over there ide get a unlocked Evo 4g but as im in the U.K im happy sticking with my HD2.its still has a thew up on the Desire HD suprisingly

I also bought my HD2 a few months ago solely to run Android. It works brilliantly and gets higher quadrant scores than the equivalent pure Android phones. It also lasts me a good 24 hours with moderate use.
With new clean builds like cedesmith's Desire Spot I really can't see any difference in everyday usage to a dedicated Android phone.
I've just been offered a new phone from work, and to be honest even though that could be a Desire HD, I can't really see any benefits to upgrading, I can use the same sense build on my HD2 if I want and the only other plus is that it has a few extra megapixels in the camera sensor. It's also heavier and a has an annoying little ridge around the edge of the screen.
I think I'm sticking with the HD2 until there is something similar with a tegra inside.