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Photo quality on Jam not so bad! Examples inside

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I was playing with my Jam earlier and took a few test shots, they are not too bad.
Some claim it's worse than a 7250, which it clearly is not.

the cam aint too bad as i took a pic of my lynx bottle lol but its no where near 1.3mp as the nokia 7610 has a 1mp and its loads loads clearer

i can't even compare JAM 1.3MP to nokia 6230 0.3MP !!!!
nokia pictures are real photos !
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It is a 1.3mp camera. The resolution only relates to the size of the picture not the quality. Still wish it's quality was better though!

I dont think it's too bad. I will take some more pictures in daylight, I had some great pics but then had to hard reset (
I think the software is partly to blame for the quality, I just hope its not terrible hardware as that cant be fixed.

From the pictures you provided and my own observations from using the camera, it appears to me that several factors contribute to the poor quality:
* bad light sensitivity
* amplification noise
* washed out colors
* poor focus
The light sensitivity has to do with using a cheap CMOS based camera. The grain and noise that can be seen stems from amplifying the CMOS signal significantly to produce a viewable image. The colors looks like a software problem. Poor focusing comes from using a plastic lens with fixed focus.
Better firmware could sort out the washed out colors, and it might be possible to decrease the amount of noise in the amplificiation process. I believe however that at best the camera will pass as poor.
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i find that when the camera is on auto its crap but when on daylight or night mode or grey its fine?

i haf noticed one thing....n i think alll the XDA II or guys usin Himalaya device shud try this toooooo.....wat ive noticed is....i taken out a pic from ma XDA II on default settings wid out changin gamma or contrast or sharpness.....wid pic resolution of 480 (thts the max it has FOOOOOK) ne wayz...i sent the pic to ma frnd via bluetooth on his nokia 6600 n the other frnd on some new siemens set....n guesss wat.....the freaky pic was loookin as if i toook it out from a DIGI CAM......not just on the damn cellll but wen they downloaded from the celll to their pc's too then also the damn pic had a totallllly diffff color n resolution then wat ma XDA II was givin me.....so i am sure there has to be something wid the software tht generates the pic n reproduces it on the lcd....caz after takin a pic out from XDA II n sendin it to frnds cell n burnin it out on the comp it was just awesome wat does tht MEAN ????? SOFTWARE PROB FOR SURE..... wat do u guys say ????

anyone tried the thing i mentioned above ??

not yet we are first trying to understand what you are typing in.
Are you using the same software to type your posts as the one used by XDA to display pictures

jesus woz dat englsh u were usin?
I'm a native and it took me a while. It might save you a few characters typing, but it takes the 100 people trying to read your post twice as long! This will be worse still for those for whom English is not their first language.
Nigel

this is not SMS zaairyab!!

I have noticed one thing, I think all the XDA II or people using Himalaya device should try this too, what I've noticed is, I took out a picture from my XDA II on default settings without changing GAMMA, CONTRAST or SHARPNESS.... with picture resolution of 480x640 (that’s the max xda II has) any ways after taking out the picture I sent the picture to one of my friends via Bluetooth on his NOKIA 6600 and the other friend on some new SIEMENS Cell and guess what ??? the picture was looking totally different as if someone took it out from a DIGI CAM not just on the cell but also when they downloaded it on their computers the resolution and colors (graphics) was totally different then what my XDA II was giving out.
So I am sure there’s something to do with the software that generates the picture while sending it out on the Desktop Pc or LCD of the Handheld’s we are using.
What do you people have to say about this ?
Hope the grammar is OK for you guys to understand now

sorry man! but it does not make sense! when the camera chip receive the light and transfare it into digital data as JPEG or BMP the quality will not change unless you edited the file by using any photo editor.
when you are viewing the pic on other phone "NOKIA" it may look better because you are viewing at smaller scale according to the display size.
no matter if you send the photo to nokia, siemens, then back to your PC or laptop it will not change.
do this test send a photo taken by JAM to nokia phone as you suggested then send it to your PC, the same photo send it again from your JAM to your PC directly and compare both together!
Regards.

Already did that mate, that's why I posted my message here !!
Why don't you try it and see ?? Because I have tried it and did find a difference.

No, the quality of the picture is independent of the device on which you display it. It might be that the Nokia phone has a program that enhances the display of the picture you have taken, but the quality of the picture is purely a function of the camera.
As I have written in another post, there are some software problems with the camera that can be corrected after taking the picture, such as the poor coloring. It is possible that the Nokia has software to adjust this upon viewing the picture.
Here's something to try: take a picture with a decent digital camera, and transfer it to your Magician. It looks about a million times better than the same picture taken with the Magician itself. The built in camera truly stinks...
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So is there a possible way that the software can be corrected ?? Or may be someone can create a software which can fix this problem, just like they create a Radio or Ext Rom.
A software which can do something like break the size of the image, I mean make the image small in resolution but can cover that up with the quality of the pic ?

waz up with the blue spot in the center of all images..
when i lowered the hue and gamma, almost grayscale the quality was better with out blu spot, but very poor colors instead.. mmm... the cam sux.. my friends samsung D500 qith 1,3mp is so much better cam.

My experience with the camera has been mixed. It doesn't work at all really in poor light conditions bars, clubs, at night etc but if the light is good, the pics come out quite well. I've put a couple of links below
http://www.geocities.com/captin_random/IMAGE_00014.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/captin_random/IMAGE_00020.jpg
I've also applied the "JAM_Camera_Patch_V1.03.1.0.CAB" patch

My solutions until new enhancement software is relaesed is:
When I sync the magician with my notebooks, I transfered all the images to my notebook.
Then I opened up a photoshop application
Then I opened all transferred image in Photoshop
Then I choose from the menu bar Image>Adjust>Auto Levels and after that Image>Adjust>Auto Contrast
Then Voila....The lighting and the colors improved tons better (However, the noise is only minimized by the photoshop, so you might still see the blue spots)
Then I transferred it back to my XDA mini
There you go, a smart solutions for beginners who wants to have an advance and good quality images from magician.
Hope this helps
(I read this in one of the topics and try it myself, and it works like charm)

[Q] Camera Questions

I noticed the ticking sound of the auto focus today while using the camera, just wanted to know if it is supposed to be that loud or if I have a problem?
Also, I'm not a camera expert but I noticed that for any close up pictures, the phone has to be at least a good 2/3 inches away from the object to focus on it properly, otherwise the picture just comes out blurry. Is this normal for every camera?

Well I don't know what you mean with "that loud" but I can also hear mine, so I don't think you have a problem.
I remember my S3 also had problem focussing on close range, guess it's normal. Your eye can't focus on anything closer than 7cm (about 3 inch?) either.

[Q] Shutter sound on Sharp Aquos

Recently purchased this phone(Boost).. Its nice.(For the price) The screen looks bigger than it actually is, and pretty quick.
One issue right off the the back. Cant turn off the shutter sound when taking photos!!!!!!. Is there a way this can be done? or will it need to be rooted?
Camera isnt that bad and the low-light feature is decent. I am use to the Note 3 camera and functions. However this will be a nice phone for a Pre Teen.. Any insight on this will be appreciated

cchuck17 said:
Recently purchased this phone(Boost).. Its nice.(For the price) The screen looks bigger than it actually is, and pretty quick.
One issue right off the the back. Cant turn off the shutter sound when taking photos!!!!!!. Is there a way this can be done? or will it need to be rooted?
Camera isnt that bad and the low-light feature is decent. I am use to the Note 3 camera and functions. However this will be a nice phone for a Pre Teen.. Any insight on this will be appreciated
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From what I understand, you will need root to turn the camera shutter off if it already is not an option.
With other phones it was simply removing all of the sound files associated with the camera app.
It's a privacy thing, so that one cannot take any photos of another without their consent.
If I remember correct (can still be wrong), that was a primary result of the taking of photos of someone in a dressing room, mainly men of women.

MrTriTanium said:
From what I understand, you will need root to turn the camera shutter off if it already is not an option.
With other phones it was simply removing all of the sound files associated with the camera app.
It's a privacy thing, so that one cannot take any photos of another without their consent.
If I remember correct (can still be wrong), that was a primary result of the taking of photos of someone in a dressing room, mainly men of women.
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Totally understandable.
Thanks for the feedback

MrTriTanium said:
From what I understand, you will need root to turn the camera shutter off if it already is not an option.
With other phones it was simply removing all of the sound files associated with the camera app.
It's a privacy thing, so that one cannot take any photos of another without their consent.
If I remember correct (can still be wrong), that was a primary result of the taking of photos of someone in a dressing room, mainly men of women.
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So with the latest update, muting the shutter sound is supposed to be an option. Has anyone been able to mute the sound? I can't seem to find the option to turn it off despite sharp detailing this as a feature with the update.
Kind of hard to take snap shots of a sleeping baby (or anything when there is a sleeping baby) with such a loud camera shutter, lol.

chousue said:
So with the latest update, muting the shutter sound is supposed to be an option. Has anyone been able to mute the sound? I can't seem to find the option to turn it off despite sharp detailing this as a feature with the update.
Kind of hard to take snap shots of a sleeping baby (or anything when there is a sleeping baby) with such a loud camera shutter, lol.
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After installing the latest update, just simply set your phone to silent or vibrate and that should mute the shutter while taking a picture.

[Q] constant autofocus?

I've not really used my Z2 for video much.
I was at my kids nativity play and tried to do so, but the camera was constantly autofocussing and the footage is unwatchable.
Nobody else with different phones had this issue.
I tried setting it to manual and also played with different focussing modes and it was just the same.
Has anyone else had this issue, is it hardware or software. I have a feeling it may be connected to the facial recognition, but like I say it produced awful footage and part of the reason for buying this phone was the superior camera.
Trying to work out if it is faulty and should be returned.
Thanks

newbuyer17 said:
I've not really used my Z2 for video much.
I was at my kids nativity play and tried to do so, but the camera was constantly autofocussing and the footage is unwatchable.
Nobody else with different phones had this issue.
I tried setting it to manual and also played with different focussing modes and it was just the same.
Has anyone else had this issue, is it hardware or software. I have a feeling it may be connected to the facial recognition, but like I say it produced awful footage and part of the reason for buying this phone was the superior camera.
Trying to work out if it is faulty and should be returned.
Thanks
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A question - is this a video recording problem only or its the same with photo focusing.And second - try recording a video wothout video stabilisation option enabled / stead shot - off. Metering - Multi / centre. or spot - tap the screen where you want to get a focus.If this does not help - reinstall the firmware - and if this doesn't work aswell give it to repair.

Thanks.
I have only really noticed it on video. There were a lot of kids and i suspect yhe facial focus stuff was getting confused, but i turned off most of the stuff you suggested and it still did it.
I am struggling to reproduce this issue, so whether hardware or software it does appear to be that scenario that sets it off. Will maybe go somewhere busy and try and play.
Have downloaded the basic google camera to see if that does the same.
Thanks

Wish List for Z3+ Firmware Improvement

How about a thread on possible SW enhancements through future FW updates? IDK if it matters, but we could try.
Here's my list, but please add whatever SW issues/bugs you've run into.
1. They should put 'microphone noise suppression' back to call settings. My HK Z3+ doesn't have it, but my Taiwanese Z2 does. I'm using those in the US, but I can ask for it on behalf of HK folks anyway
2. Occasional high 'mobile radio active' numbers on 4G (LTE) mostly from Google apps . My fix was to 'close all apps' once in a while. It's a known lollipop issue (Thanks @addicted1900)
3. Current 8mp auto mode is great for low-light shots. I'd say it's probably the best one in Androidland. Day shots could use a 16mp auto mode, but that will probably ruin current 8mp mode's low noise advantage with excessive noise. So it'd be great if they could adjust the resolution on the fly with some extra settings (like dynamic resolution, always 16mp/20mp, always 8mp,etc). Or at least include a separate high res auto mode (it'd be confusing - I know)
4. Auto mode could use a little lower EV while shooting at bright objects.
5. I used 'trepn' to profile core usage (& assuming trepn itself is not a CPU hog)
Home screen: All 4 little (a53) cores running at max 1.56 GHz most of the times with occasional bursts from 1/2 big (a57) cores. Sounds like an overkill
Settings page: Ditto
Camera (superior auto for photo only): Ditto
Fun fact: Only little cores run the 4K show. Something could be done there too
Point is there is room for improvement & going by Sony's fw update history (their fw updates are quite solid, btw), we could ask for the same thing here

Adaptive light puts screen backlight too low in dark environments.

I wish it could get dimmer at night in fully dark rooms

When Stamina mode is on ( with extended usage enabled), The decreasing of framerate is noticeably. (Never happened to my Z1)

ing005 said:
When Stamina mode is on ( with extended usage enabled), The decreasing of framerate is noticeably. (Never happened to my Z1)
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Well, you know that's the way "extended usage" is meant to work?

Yeah but as I said , it doesn't happen to my Z1 , which is 3 generations older.

Profile mode for high, medium and low performance.
Given the performance of sd810, I don mind a under clocked sd 810 for better performance. Just like how one plus is doing

When recording video I'd like the option to defeat noise cancellation/DSP and record 'flat'. Or tweak it somehow. Right now my Z2 records generally better audio on video than my Z3+ .... the Z3+ doesn't seem to record with much gain either, when it's supposed to be autogain - can't believe it needs that much headroom.
Plug in the STM10 (or a Smartlav+ ) and thankfully audio is very much improved - but I don't always have those with me.
I'm sure the speakers can go louder for ringtones, again seems quieter than my Z2 by maybe 3dB or 6dB perhaps (haven't measured, but human ear generally sensitive to 3dB differences).
Really pleased on the Z3+ things like Lifelog and Social are uninstallable, even PlayStation and PSN apps come off without root (could not be removed from Z2). I really like the direction of optional bloatware.
I don't know how broad Sony's Backup vault is, but I'd like to be able to backup/restore custom ringtones and SMS/hangout notifications for my contacts. This is one area where iPhone excels - restore to a new iPhone and pretty much everything remains identical. I don't want to have to futz with NFC locally when it could all already be stored in the cloud.
Overall, I am very satisfied with the Z3+ ... but I warn Sony, if they start going all proprietary again (eg all that ATRAC nonsense, can't even play a video from a standard USB stick on my Dad's Bravia TV, etc) -- then I will leave as quickly as I arrived

Another one for my wish list - a quick way to add Reminders by voice input - perhaps add the option to the long-press power button menu. (I know I think there is an option to always have Google Now listening if the screen is on, but I don't want that)
Not sure of the security implications though, I notice on my Z2 and Z3+ for example if I want to change Camera Mode out of Superior Auto after quick-launching it from sleep with the hardware button then I need to unlock with my password.