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About TMO's 4G

So today I was at the mall and I asked a TMO rep about 4G internet. I said, "How will you know if you have 4G?" The rep said "You will see a letter H". I then said, "How do you know if you're on 3G" He said, "You will also see a letter H". I got to admit that is pretty lame. So is there there 4G is basically a tweaked 3G?
Is it really TRUE 4G?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
marketing is all it is. but hspda+ is pretty fast.

crazifyngers said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
marketing is all it is. but hspda+ is pretty fast.
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What kind of speeds are you getting on your 4G device?

Here's where it gets tricky. LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 are considered 4G (they don't even exist yet). As of yesterday, ITU (the ones who decide what "4G" is) admitted that WiMax and LTE can be called 4G. T-Mobile uses HSPA+, which is basically really fast 3G. However, even as an Evo owner (Sprint uses WiMax), I have to say I'd rather have LTE or at least HSPA+. Why? Because it's always on as long as you're in an area that has it. And on top of that, it doesn't rape your battery like WiMax does. Besides, you shouldn't by a phone based on how fast the internet is. By the phone for its features, build quality, etc. It's faster than what you already have and that's what matters. Plus, you won't be paying extra for the extra speed.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/18/itu-capitulates-admits-that-the-term-4g-could-apply-to-lte-w/

Product F(RED) said:
Here's where it gets tricky. LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 are considered 4G (they don't even exist yet). As of yesterday, ITU (the ones who decide what "4G" is) admitted that WiMax and LTE can be called 4G. T-Mobile uses HSPA+, which is basically really fast 3G. However, even as an Evo owner (Sprint uses WiMax), I have to say I'd rather have LTE or at least HSPA+. Why? Because it's always on as long as you're in an area that has it. And on top of that, it doesn't rape your battery like WiMax does. Besides, you shouldn't by a phone based on how fast the internet is. By the phone for its features, build quality, etc. It's faster than what you already have and that's what matters. Plus, you won't be paying extra for the extra speed.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/18/itu-capitulates-admits-that-the-term-4g-could-apply-to-lte-w/
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Thank you. Great run down!

well like the link says hspda+ is not 4g. none of the "4g" systems are really 4g it is all marketing. that being said on the nexus s which does not have hspda+ chip only a hspda chip here are my results. the top two are wifi results. oh and i'm in phoenix.

I don't get what all the furor is about. No one is bound by what the ITU says. At this point 4G just means "better than 3G." It's hard to fault T-Mo. They've got a network that's considerably faster than what has been normal 3G and is comparable to what Sprint calls 4G. From a business perspective there's no way they could surrender the field to Sprint just because of what the ITU and tech geeks say.
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crazifyngers said:
well like the link says hspda+ is not 4g. none of the "4g" systems are really 4g it is all marketing. that being said on the nexus s which does not have hspda+ chip only a hspda chip here are my results. the top two are wifi results. oh and i'm in phoenix.
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Yeah, and like you said, that's without HSPA+. The highest I ever hit on WiMax was around 12 down, but then again I'm in NYC and I get full "4G" from my house (guess I'm by a WiMax access point). I'd be happy with those speeds you posted though. I do tether on occasion, but 99% of the time I don't need anything faster than that. Oh and another reason why HSPA+/LTE are better than WiMax is because LTE and HSPA+ are/are becoming global standards while WiMax is available in a few countries, though not on phones like in the US. Plus WiMax is basically longer-range Wifi which imo is pretty retarded for cellular use, especially considering the battery drain.
As for why I went to Sprint is another story. It's cheaper (or as cheap) as T-Mobile and you get free roaming on Verizon. I love GSM to death, but I'm a college student and I need to get as much as I can for as little as I can Plus the Evo's f*cking awesome, 4G or not.

I read that the consortium that manages all the standards came out yesterday and said that WiMax, advanced 3g tech(HSPA+) and LTE all classify as 4g

Yup, linked to it in my first post. They admitted they could be called 4G since we're so far off from the original requirements (1 Gbps I believe). What they described as 4G originally should really be 5 or 6G. Pretty steep requirements.

FastMhz said:
Is it really TRUE 4G?
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No.
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zachthemaster said:
No.
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correction
YES

Now I kinda wish the Nexus S was 4G capable. ****, if it's no extra charge for extra speed. Why not?! Regardless, love the phone.

slowz3r said:
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did you miss the part where the international consortium that certifies the mobile broad band technology came out yesterday and said that Advanced 3G (HSPA+) LTE and Wimax are qualifying 4G tech

slowz3r said:
did you miss the part where the international consortium that certifies the mobile broad band technology came out yesterday and said that Advanced 3G (HSPA+) LTE and Wimax are qualifying 4G tech
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Link or it never happened.

zachthemaster said:
Link or it never happened.
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http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx

slowz3r said:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Eh, **** man that's still sketchy, with true 4G you're supposed to get way faster speeds, but for now, touche.

zachthemaster said:
Eh, **** man that's still sketchy, with true 4G you're supposed to get way faster speeds, but for now, touche.
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1GBs as a minimum for 4th gen tech, thats extremely high, im pretty sure they where all high when they thought of that number

LTE 4G in Germany
Germany will be the first country in the EU to deploy high speed, low latency, LTE technology using the 800 MHz digital divided spectrum. Vodafone is one of the first operators to start LTE networks in Germany. The technology should allow for average speeds of 50 Mbit/sec.

Bad news for WIMAX

http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news

Oh well.
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94tbird said:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news
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Unless you plan on using your EVO for the next 4-5 years , i dont think it really matters. If/when they make this move, there will be plenty of phones to come out that will support the new network. I doubt anyone will still have their EVO's /Epic's by the time this actually comes to reality.

Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.

this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.

Doesn't bother me too much. Yes, I enjoy the speeds of WiMax, but the battery drain is too much of an issue.

detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Makes sense, also could explain why we haven't heard about an EVO 2. They could be trying to figure out how to apply a triband radio up in the phone.

detusueno said:
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Well obviously it wouldn't be a hackers hack it'd have to be a Sprint flash of some sort. I am not saying its even plausible more of food for thought.

detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.

mikevillarroel said:
I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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Not so sure about that. WiMax currently require some form of key/pw authentication with Clear to connect. LTE on Sprint will probably require SIM cards to connect, like Metro PCS does even as CDMA network. I don't see how they (or even Sprint themselves) will get around that issue. It'd probably be as futile as trying to connect with AT&T's/Verizon's LTE network with a hacked WiMax radio.

Ok sprint will have wimax and lte dual so that good thing imaging and evo 2 with rev b for 3g 1xadvance and wimax and lte omg and being coverd with that much technology
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Good I better get my $10.00/mo back

spiicytuna said:
Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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No, the TOWERS can be fairly easily converted. No phone can be unless explicitly designed for that (like Qualcomm GoBi data chips).

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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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really? that would be awesome if one of the devs can get wimax radio flashed to verizon's LTE

I hope Sprint Goes LTE - The Verizon LTE speeds look awesome

detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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+1
with speeds under 200 kbps there is absolutely no phone in the world that would make me wanna stay with sprint.
Boy,if this is true they will be losing customers like crazy come this summer.

The story was on Engadget the other week. Technically, the Sprint network guy said it was being evaluated for six months...but with no new Wimax phones on tap for the next six months (that we know of), the conclusion will be the same at the end of six months as it is now.
If they are going to make the move, then throw the switch, and have a plan in place to get us off of our EVO's (and them off of their Epics), even if it's three months out, because then that class action thread that's out there may start looking real good and actually get five stars.
Note: If all that's needed is to switch out the baseband cards and run a firmware update, that would mean that Wimax would have to get turned off, because it's the Wimax equipment that's getting the upgrade. So this won't be a side by side Wimax/LTE network. It's either or...right???

i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.

Good riddance? Wimax is a joke in my area (metro Atlanta), to this day I can barely connect to Wimax from inside my house and the coverage map "according to Sprint" shows my area lit up with Wimax. I have to stand by my second story window in my house to connect to it and the connection is "poor", Hell its poor when I go outside.
Love the phone itself though.

Dan330 said:
i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
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How so? If it's what I think...network access can be controlled just as easily on a Wimax network as on a LTE network. It's all IP traffic. Verizon just chooses to control it.

Project Leapfrog - Sprint is going to LTE...starting now!

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...rk-upgrade-is-un/&category=classic&postPage=1
Not sure what they're leapfrogging over, but sure.
Maybe the true EVO 2 will have LTE!
Also says something about the planned upgrade to the current CDMA network, and killing off iDEN.
Like Carbon Fiber? EVO.carbonfibermagic.com

They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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That's what I think, too!

If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.

If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.

tejasrichard said:
If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.
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Exactly...2-3 years until they're converted to lte, so wimax as normal.

Old news that I've probably mentioned 6 times since posting in this very section. Project Leapfrog was the codename for Sprint's Network Vision. I'm just patiently waiting for Sprint/Clearwire to officially announce LTE is a go, so I could retire this topic. Sprint's ****ty 3G network will be taken care of by this same project they've mentioned since December.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news

sitlet said:
If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.
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By that point you should have a new phone.
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zikronix said:
****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news
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Lmfao me too
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Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.

ryudosama said:
Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.
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On the tower side, the hardware used in the base-stations can apparently be updated very readily -- swapping some circuit boards, and doing a software update, to make them LTE ready.
As to our phones, there is some disagreement. The LTE spec allows carriers to use frequencies in the range of those that our phones can already receive. Whether the hardware/software combination exists to let our phones receive LTE data, is up to debate. Many say no, but based on the spec, a Wimax antenna operating in the either the 800Mhz, 1.6Ghz or 2Ghz range can receive the signals (see Uplink and Downlink bands here: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php), but can the phone discriminate and use what it receives? Who knows...

Great move if you ask me. And I don't know about anyone else but the places I've lived and traveling the Midwest parts of the south and here in the west coast sprints 3g has been my favorite. I also have an att and T-Mobile phone for business.... now talk about ****ty coverage lol.

Sprint switcing from Wimax

Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.

i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?

omgzilla85 said:
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.

There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.

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There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.

They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.

The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?

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The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.

So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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mbaseball3 said:
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.

mbaseball3 said:
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.

No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte

the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise

Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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gamer4208 said:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age

craigbailey1986 said:
This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.

As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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dirkyd3rk said:
My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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anyone heard about this

i got a call from my buddy from sprint and he said in 20 days sprint is gonna buy and get verizons 4gLTE
anyone know if this is true or not.
i know that the nexus is getting a update hopefully this week that is suppose to boost 4g and wifi connection. so thats a bit of a hint
what you guys know about this

I have heard that they were going to be using LightSquared possibly. Not sure if that is VZWs LTE provider, but since Sprint uses VZWs 3G towers, I can't see why they won't strike a roaming contract with them again.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/analysis-sprint-inching-closer-lte-announcement/2011-06-20

Joey_UFC said:
i got a call from my buddy from sprint and he said in 20 days sprint is gonna buy and get verizons 4gLTE
anyone know if this is true or not.
i know that the nexus is getting a update hopefully this week that is suppose to boost 4g and wifi connection. so thats a bit of a hint
what you guys know about this
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An LTE roll out for Sprint will happen.
It's been talked about that Sprint may embrace both LTE and Wimax standards.
However, it's not an instant process and a phone would have to have an LTE radio to use the LTE band.

mattykinsx said:
An LTE roll out for Sprint will happen.
It's been talked about that Sprint may embrace both LTE and Wimax standards.
However, it's not an instant process and a phone would have to have an LTE radio to use the LTE band.
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so this isn't something we should be expecting in the 20 days i heard, or even soon for that matter
1 more thing, if sprint does get LTE, do they lose the wimax if they decide to no longer be with ClearWire?

Joey_UFC said:
so this isn't something we should be expecting in the 20 days i heard, or even soon for that matter
1 more thing, if sprint does get LTE, do they lose the wimax if they decide to no longer be with ClearWire?
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In 20 days some sort of deal might go down, or they might start some sort of project, but there's no way they can instantly switch and certainly not in such a short timeframe.
IF Sprint drops Clearwire then yes, Wimax would not work with Sprint phones.
It's been suggested that Sprint may go to quadband phones though.
Who knows. I'm not even sure Sprint does, which is part of the problem.

mattykinsx said:
In 20 days some sort of deal might go down, or they might start some sort of project, but there's no way they can instantly switch and certainly not in such a short timeframe.
IF Sprint drops Clearwire then yes, Wimax would not work with Sprint phones.
It's been suggested that Sprint may go to quadband phones though.
Who knows. I'm not even sure Sprint does, which is part of the problem.
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Well in the link he posted above, the article said that they plan on making a Sprint-Clearwire-LightSquared combination.
its a stretch to make it happen but its possible

Joey_UFC said:
Well in the link he posted above, the article said that they plan on making a Sprint-Clearwire-LightSquared combination.
its a stretch to make it happen but its possible
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I wouldn't doubt it.
Sounds like a good idea actually.
And it coincides with the idea that Sprint might just run both standards along side CDMA (which would eventually be phased out, eventually.)
Both LTE and Wimax have uses.
Why shouldn't both technologies be used for what they do best?

mattykinsx said:
I wouldn't doubt it.
Sounds like a good idea actually.
And it coincides with the idea that Sprint might just run both standards along side CDMA (which would eventually be phased out, eventually.)
Both LTE and Wimax have uses.
Why shouldn't both technologies be used for what they do best?
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ok just so i got this right and don't start rambling about things idk
LTE is 4g alone or is it Both 4g and Wimax.
cause if thats the case then why hold onto Clearwires Wimax?

Joey_UFC said:
ok just so i got this right and don't start rambling about things idk
LTE is 4g alone or is it Both 4g and Wimax.
cause if thats the case then why hold onto Clearwires Wimax?
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Neither are true "4g"
Both are just different technology standards (well not even standards lol).
Its just like wireless a, b, g or n.
Just different "standards" for wirelessly transfering data.

mattykinsx said:
Neither are true "4g"
Both are just different technology standards (well not even standards lol).
Its just like wireless a, b, g or n.
Just different "standards" for wirelessly transfering data.
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what do you mean by "true 4g"

Joey_UFC said:
what do you mean by "true 4g"
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In 2009, the ITU-R organization specified the IMT-Advanced (International Mobile Telecommunications Advanced) requirements for 4G standards, setting peak speed requirements for 4G service at 100 Mbit/s for high mobility communication (such as from trains and cars) and 1 Gbit/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users).[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
Basically, 1 Gbit/s when not moving, 100mbit/s when moving and VOIP.
Everything runs through data.
Texting, Voice as well.

lte is awesome, if you use your phone as it comes out of box. ask any thunderbolt owner what happens when you throw an aosp rom on top of the lte radio...

mikeyinid said:
lte is awesome, if you use your phone as it comes out of box. ask any thunderbolt owner what happens when you throw an aosp rom on top of the lte radio...
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It has nothing to do with LTE and all to do with the spectrum used by Verizon.
Wimax would be just as "awesome" if at the same frequency.

mattykinsx said:
It has nothing to do with LTE and all to do with the spectrum used by Verizon.
Wimax would be just as "awesome" if at the same frequency.
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no, your not following me. im not talking about lte itself. im talking ril and the actual radio.