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1.ROM: 64MB -No already got WM2003 installed
RAM: 128MB -Good but all my programs currently work well from SD.
2.TFT-LCD 16bit
-Current screen is ok can read avantgo/ebooks for hours no problem, check the screen will be just as comfortable.
-Good for photos but only have small snaps in the SD makes so not much different.
-Games looking better but could it be slower due to more pixels to move around?
3.Triband -Good but dont use it.
4.Camera Module -Good can send fun snaps and MMS from the field, update blog with pictures. Alternative to take digicam along, use SD to CF converter to transfer pics.
Not a swivel camera so no video phone applications.
5.SDIO wifi -Good but wont do too much wifing because battery will run down and surfing full sites wont be much fun with the small display.
Will the slot be damaged with too much pulling in out of the wifi card?
Cost of the sd wifi card?
Cool to sync avantgo wirelessly when outside.
6.Bluetooth eh dont use them .BT headset?
What would really make me jump:
1.640X480 screen or even 320x480
2.Abliity of os to use landscape mode for all applications
Would be interesting to hear from other people why you are upgrading.
What the new functions offer them.
What do they do with them.
I am happy with my 64 meg xda with 256 meg sd card. In fact I bought another one brand new in box for £150 uk, the reason being, I use it for satnav, phone, wap, book reader etc etc and really wouldnt be too happy if the one I have "no warranty", stops working, it pays to be prepared and at that price I can afford to.
Yup know what you mean.
I was thinking along the same line about getting a spare the other day. A 9 mths old xda came onto a forum for 115 of your pounds and there was a big rush for it and I just missed out.
I would cry if my current Xda died and I have dropped it 4-5 times already.
managed to test out a set at the singapore expo this afternoon..
totally blown by it..
trust me, you'll be singing another tune, once you get up close and personnel with the xda2 :lol:
It takes money to be singing that tune and I am very happy with what I have, I can understand people wanting the latest and greatest and also those that need the extra gizmo's, however the xda as is a fine piece of machinery as it is, maybe I will get an xda2 when the xda3 is launched...cheap. :wink:
i was thinking this i am also happy with my XDA 64mb and 256mb card
i have the camera and gps for it and i use it for sat nav when drving
but i could do with bluetoothe thats all id want extra on the xda 1
i want the XDA 2 but i doubt ill ever get it being 17 and a student with no job and only income is from unlocking phones and changing phones leds.
i can only dream
I think the biggest disappointment is the not having a 340x480 and landscape switchable screen.
Have you seen the Tungsten T3 screen Yet ahhhhhhh.
MS is not getting any of my money for any ppc device until I get that.
there IS a program called JS LANDSCAPE 3, i think.
that will give you landscape.
im also happy with my xda 64meg 256 sd card
coupled with a full size foldble keyboard, sd camera, GPS nav and a SiPix IR printer its a full pc lol.
i AM saving money for that 1Gig sd card tho, i like to have my large collection of mp3s and video clips... Dell computers is the cheapest, $280 now. well worth it, i think.
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there IS a program called JS LANDSCAPE 3, i think.
that will give you landscape.
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Not the same and it slows down the browser.
But having second thoughts on the T3 screen.....
it sucks battery big time and couple with bluetooth
which sucks even more juice dont think it will last the day connected to GPRS.
Hi folks,
I was wondering, is this phone worth getting now? Or has anyone heard of new phones looming over the horizon that are coming to T-Mobile?
I'm planning on getting this (paying full outright 450), but I would like to hear the wisdom of some of the older folks here first.
How bad are the problems as people seem to be posting about? Is there an audio delay on any sort of audio playback, or just mp4 streams?
Cheers.
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Hi folks,
I was wondering, is this phone worth getting now? Or has anyone heard of new phones looming over the horizon that are coming to T-Mobile?
I'm planning on getting this (paying full outright 450), but I would like to hear the wisdom of some of the older folks here first.
How bad are the problems as people seem to be posting about? Is there an audio delay on any sort of audio playback, or just mp4 streams?
Cheers.
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The phone was worth getting on day 1... You need to do a little tweaking and you can't make a judgement on it in a day or two, you have to use it. I came from a blackberry, so it's a huge step up in the UI from that. If you're used to an iPhone or Android phone, it's not quite as good. You need to play with it, install some registry mods, CoOkie's Home Tab (or maybe a custom ROM).
I am very happy with this phone. I really wanted a Nexus One, but this phone does everything I want it to do without issue.
YMMV of course.
Hey Poison.
If you're comfortable with winmo, then I think it's worth the investment. Despite all the native (and mostly known) shortcomings of the OS, this is still by far the king of the hill when it comes to WM phones...and will probably remain so for a while at least.
A quick scan of the first 2-3 pages of this forum, as well as the euro Leo section will give you a digest of all the problems people are having, and most of them have a number of different potential solutions or workarounds to try.
I know there's people who have gotten frustrated enough with their HD2's to get rid of them already...but I don't think there's a single WM phone that hasn't polarized it's users that way. I for one have had essentially no problems at all, despite heavy and varied use (and I think there's a lot of others out there just like me)....but then again, I think I might be a little more realistic about what type of experience to expect from this OS, and Sense as well.
As far as your question about the music playback issues...they definitely exist for many users, even with just plain mp3's, but that's really just in relation to using the built-in HTC music player to play or index a large library of music. There's ways to work around that, including just using some 3rd-party player. Again, I've never had those types of issues even though I use the HTC player almost exclusively...also possibly just due to how I manage my music collection.
If you're adept, patient, and comfortable with getting your phone "dialed-in" just right, I think this will give you a user experience like no other. You've already got the most valuable tool in your arsenal...right here in these forums (as I'm sure you already know!)
Good luck, let us know what you decide!
Thank you sirphunkee. I appreciate the detailed response. I'm no stranger to Windows Mobile, as I'm currently using a Touch HD. I do love it and I've always loved that customizability about Windows Mobile. While I am aware that it is clunky as a mobile platform, I've always been viewing Windows Mobile as a desktop in my pocket rather than a phone.
I'm a little concerned about the whole screen issues (there was a thread about ghost presses, etc). How widespread is this? And is the supplied 16 GB microSD card really trash? This seems to really be the case when the SD card gets too full.
I'm still contemplating if it's worth upgrading...I've played with it in the store, and I was dumbfounded by the speed. Argh!
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Hey Poison.
If you're comfortable with winmo, then I think it's worth the investment. Despite all the native (and mostly known) shortcomings of the OS, this is still by far the king of the hill when it comes to WM phones...and will probably remain so for a while at least.
A quick scan of the first 2-3 pages of this forum, as well as the euro Leo section will give you a digest of all the problems people are having, and most of them have a number of different potential solutions or workarounds to try.
I know there's people who have gotten frustrated enough with their HD2's to get rid of them already...but I don't think there's a single WM phone that hasn't polarized it's users that way. I for one have had essentially no problems at all, despite heavy and varied use (and I think there's a lot of others out there just like me)....but then again, I think I might be a little more realistic about what type of experience to expect from this OS, and Sense as well.
As far as your question about the music playback issues...they definitely exist for many users, even with just plain mp3's, but that's really just in relation to using the built-in HTC music player to play or index a large library of music. There's ways to work around that, including just using some 3rd-party player. Again, I've never had those types of issues even though I use the HTC player almost exclusively...also possibly just due to how I manage my music collection.
If you're adept, patient, and comfortable with getting your phone "dialed-in" just right, I think this will give you a user experience like no other. You've already got the most valuable tool in your arsenal...right here in these forums (as I'm sure you already know!)
Good luck, let us know what you decide!
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Thank you sirphunkee. I appreciate the detailed response. I'm no stranger to Windows Mobile, as I'm currently using a Touch HD. I do love it and I've always loved that customizability about Windows Mobile. While I am aware that it is clunky as a mobile platform, I've always been viewing Windows Mobile as a desktop in my pocket rather than a phone.
I'm a little concerned about the whole screen issues (there was a thread about ghost presses, etc). How widespread is this? And is the supplied 16 GB microSD card really trash? This seems to really be the case when the SD card gets too full.
I'm still contemplating if it's worth upgrading...I've played with it in the store, and I was dumbfounded by the speed. Argh!
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No problem Yes, that's exactly the reason I stay with winmo too...still the closest thing to a pocket-portable PC that there is. In fact, if you do end up with the HD2, make sure you check out the various methods for remote desktop connections and control (there's a nice built-in client, and vnc and others), this screen is awesome when displaying your full PC desktop from anywhere you can connect
I'm still getting used to the capacitive screen to be honest, but I'm already to the point where resistive now feels "muddy", for lack of a better term. You'll definitely need to get used to holding your thumb a tiny bit higher off the screen surface than before...that's what leads to a lot of "phantom presses". It's also possible to dial-down the sensitivity a bit to get it where it's more comfortable for you. It shouldn't take you too long to learn what now constitutes a "touch" vs. a swipe or whatever.
I'm still using the stock 16GB class-2 card with 0 problems or lagging, but I honestly don't have it but half full most of the time...and I think a lot of the SD-related issues people are seeing are more due to Sense just being slow when accessing/indexing a large volume of files on the card....although the class-2 speed could certainly aggrivate that problem. I believe the issues arise when the card has a large number of files on it, rather than just when it gets full in terms of volume consumed. In other words...having just say 10 full-length movies on the card at 1GB each, won't likely cause the same slowdown as a card that's only "5GB full", but with hundreds and hundreds of smaller mp3's and other files.
Hmm, that's what I'm expecting as well. It's going to be a little awkward using a screen that doesn't flex a little when I push on it. By the way, when you flash ROMs, will you lose your unlock-status of the phone? Or will it be forever unlocked once you've unlocked it?
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No problem Yes, that's exactly the reason I stay with winmo too...still the closest thing to a pocket-portable PC that there is. In fact, if you do end up with the HD2, make sure you check out the various methods for remote desktop connections and control (there's a nice built-in client, and vnc and others), this screen is awesome when displaying your full PC desktop from anywhere you can connect
I'm still getting used to the capacitive screen to be honest, but I'm already to the point where resistive now feels "muddy", for lack of a better term. You'll definitely need to get used to holding your thumb a tiny bit higher off the screen surface than before...that's what leads to a lot of "phantom presses". It's also possible to dial-down the sensitivity a bit to get it where it's more comfortable for you. It shouldn't take you too long to learn what now constitutes a "touch" vs. a swipe or whatever.
I'm still using the stock 16GB class-2 card with 0 problems or lagging, but I honestly don't have it but half full most of the time...and I think a lot of the SD-related issues people are seeing are more due to Sense just being slow when accessing/indexing a large volume of files on the card....although the class-2 speed could certainly aggrivate that problem. I believe the issues arise when the card has a large number of files on it, rather than just when it gets full in terms of volume consumed. In other words...having just say 10 full-length movies on the card at 1GB each, won't likely cause the same slowdown as a card that's only "5GB full", but with hundreds and hundreds of smaller mp3's and other files.
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Hmm, that's what I'm expecting as well. It's going to be a little awkward using a screen that doesn't flex a little when I push on it. By the way, when you flash ROMs, will you lose your unlock-status of the phone? Or will it be forever unlocked once you've unlocked it?
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I think that sim-unlocking is retained even through ROM flashes, but let somebody else confirm that for you for sure
Phone is not worth getting, it should not even qualify as a smart phone, as it can hardly do the tasks or have any apps.
Its trash
As a "dumbphone" its fine, as a smart phone it is not, the pics/video , texting is fine . Those are the pros
Web browsing and web apps are terrible opera is bad on this phone, with about 20 tweaks you can make it better
A lot of registry editing to keep music files out of the music album library, battery pulls happen often with this phone.
Cleanram seems to help but not much , avoid using the file browser and going to the "windows " directory, takes about 6 or 7 min to load , and you cant do anything else while it works on it
Having gone through the Apache, Titan, Hermes, Samsung i325, Blue Angel, and i900 Omnia, the HD2 is definitely worth upgrading to. I was debating the Omnia II and X1, but decided that ultimately any investment I made would effectively be dead money if I got anything that wasn't the HD2, since it's the only handset currently on the market that has the full featureset I want.
Funnily enough, I've found the stock ROM to be fantastic. Tried a few cooked ROMS (Including Kumar's) and didn't find any of them to my liking, having just come from some REALLY nice lite Omnia ROMs. Once the stock ROM is cleaned of the unnecessary T-Mobile bloatware, it's great, even with the 6.5 UI vs. 6.5.3 and up.
Yes, SIM unlocking is retained regardless of which ROM you flash. Hard SPL depends on whether you're flashing cooked or stock.
Re: problems:
- Firstly, this is a WinMo phone. No kidding. I didn't buy this NOT to tweak practically every element in some form. If I'd wanted a phone that didn't encourage tweaking, I'd have bought an iPhone, and I'd have been bored with it in a month or so when I couldn't change the UI elements on a daily basis (And probably hurled it against a wall for making me taint my music collection through the use of the horror known as itunes). If people can accept WinMo for what it is, with both its weaknesses and its strengths (Mainly its strengths - I've messed with iPhones and Android, and I guess I'm just used to doing what I want with WinMo), then the HD2 gets my full recommendation.
But I assume you're the sort that likes to tweak everything left right and centre anyway, else you wouldn't be here. Heh!
- Sense UI! It's a new one for me, coming straight from Titanium, which I loved. Previously tried M2D and hated it, yet Sense has grown on me. I've not had any crashes (Except when I installed a few incompatible themes and tweaks), and it can be nigh-endlessly customised. While I like Titanium's 'everything at a glance' factor, the Sense tabs are more functional the the Titanium panels, effectively being applications in and of themselves. It's pretty too.
- Giant screen is pretty much unparalleled, it's excellent for browsing. Don't tend to watch videos on the go, so I can't vouch for its qualities there, but I'd imagine it's great. Bet it'd chew the battery tho'.
Don't think I could go back to a resistive screen now - as mentioned, they feel kinda 'muddy' and soft in comparison. Capactive's sensitivity takes a little getting used to, yet it's a winning trade-off when you don't have to press everything five times to make sure it's actually lauching.
- Music library is one of the few issues I have had. It'd take a while for the Sense music tab to open up with 10 gigs of music on the SD card - I've had zero issues with the SD card itself. Fixed it by putting a shortcut to Audiomanager in the Startup folder - just takes a minute after a restart to rebuild the library, which is a non-issue since I only have to restart if I've installed a application that demands I do so (Or if I want to look at my pretty BIOS/Windows Seven bootscreens!).
- Battery life! Well, what do you expect, with that huge screen and 1GHz processor? No real change there, I was used to charging my phone all night and being down to 50% after a day. It really helps to try flashing different radios, though, make sure you give each a full day's testing to find the best for your area. Selecting the right radio made a huge improvement to battery life and 3G speed for me.
The other factor that a lot of people seem to be basing their purchases on is the potential for the HD2 to run WP7. Now, I'll be honest, and say that was part of my reasoning - I don't 'expect' it to happen, but if it does, I want in on that action.
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Phone is not worth getting, it should not even qualify as a smart phone, as it can hardly do the tasks or have any apps.
Its trash
As a "dumbphone" its fine, as a smart phone it is not, the pics/video , texting is fine . Those are the pros
Web browsing and web apps are terrible opera is bad on this phone, with about 20 tweaks you can make it better
A lot of registry editing to keep music files out of the music album library, battery pulls happen often with this phone.
Cleanram seems to help but not much , avoid using the file browser and going to the "windows " directory, takes about 6 or 7 min to load , and you cant do anything else while it works on it
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"Hardly do any tasks"? Seriously? What tasks have you tried? And as for having apps, have you..checked the HD2 apps forum? This thing runs PSX games like a charm.
Used to take forever to open the Windows folder on my Titan and Apache, the HD2 loads in 1-2 seconds. No problems there. What do you have installed that could be lagging it that much?
digitallysick said:
Phone is not worth getting, it should not even qualify as a smart phone, as it can hardly do the tasks or have any apps.
Its trash
As a "dumbphone" its fine, as a smart phone it is not, the pics/video , texting is fine . Those are the pros
Web browsing and web apps are terrible opera is bad on this phone, with about 20 tweaks you can make it better
A lot of registry editing to keep music files out of the music album library, battery pulls happen often with this phone.
Cleanram seems to help but not much , avoid using the file browser and going to the "windows " directory, takes about 6 or 7 min to load , and you cant do anything else while it works on it
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There must be something wrong with your phone or you have something installed thats causing all those issues. I haven't had any problems. This has been the fastest and most stable phone I've owned.... and this is my 8th WinMo device.
digitallysick said:
Phone is not worth getting, it should not even qualify as a smart phone, as it can hardly do the tasks or have any apps.
Its trash
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Web browsing and web apps are terrible opera is bad on this phone, with about 20 tweaks you can make it better
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Pure subjective opinion, and unfounded. I run the stock install of opera, not a single tweak, and it's still the best winmo web browsing experience I've ever had (and I've used every one you can name over the years). No lags, no hanging, landscape and multitouch flawlessly.
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A lot of registry editing to keep music files out of the music album library
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Not true, it takes all of 30 seconds in Total Commander.
digitallysick said:
battery pulls happen often with this phone
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In the 3 1/2 weeks I've had the phone, I've only had to do a forced-hardware-soft-reset 3 times.
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Cleanram seems to help but not much , avoid using the file browser and going to the "windows " directory, takes about 6 or 7 min to load , and you cant do anything else while it works on it
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I've never had it take a full 7 seconds to load the windows folder.
digitallysick said:
Phone is not worth getting, it should not even qualify as a smart phone, as it can hardly do the tasks or have any apps.
Its trash
As a "dumbphone" its fine, as a smart phone it is not, the pics/video , texting is fine . Those are the pros
Web browsing and web apps are terrible opera is bad on this phone, with about 20 tweaks you can make it better
A lot of registry editing to keep music files out of the music album library, battery pulls happen often with this phone.
Cleanram seems to help but not much , avoid using the file browser and going to the "windows " directory, takes about 6 or 7 min to load , and you cant do anything else while it works on it
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Wait, isn't this the guy who was bragging about having got rid of his HD2 and moved back to Blackberry? Wonder what he is doing back in a forum dedicated to HD2...
This guy is clearly trolling. All of his posts lately seem to be geared negatively toward a device he claims to no longer own. Here he is attempting to influence someone by posting "facts" that are not true. I don't think he has anything positive to offer the readers in this particular forum and I would appreciate it if you checked his last 20 posts, you might find some interesting tidbits.
For those of you who are having trouble with browsing the Windows Folder, use Resco Explorer instead. File Explorer is a sorry excuse for a program. With Resco Explorer, I can open the windows folder in 6 seconds on a Touch HD, and that is a phone with a mere 528mhz processor.
Having said that, I'm still having a very tough time trying to justify this purchase to my conscience.
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For those of you who are having trouble with browsing the Windows Folder, use Resco Explorer instead. File Explorer is a sorry excuse for a program. With Resco Explorer, I can open the windows folder in 6 seconds on a Touch HD, and that is a phone with a mere 528mhz processor.
Having said that, I'm still having a very tough time trying to justify this purchase to my conscience.
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You get a full two weeks to try it out
PoisonWolf said:
Having said that, I'm still having a very tough time trying to justify this purchase to my conscience.
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Would you have to pay full price for the phone?
The reason I ask is because you can generally find it at the same price as other smartphones. For example: At T-Mobile, both the Touch Pro 2 and the HD2 were the same price ($199 w/2y).
Even full price it is comparable to others like the Nexus One and the iPhone.
If you were planning to purchase a new smartphone, these are the prices you are going to be dealing with.
Oh, and I bought the TP2 a full week before I bought the HD2. It was very hard to convince my wife that this was something I had to have Even though I sold the TP2 at a profit that same day, we had to work out a deal where she got a kitchen gadget she had been looking at for a while
Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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You can't compare app sizes on iPhones and Androids. iPhone app sizes can range from 5megs all the way up to 2 f'ing gigs.
Android apps have a limit of 50megs.
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, Mod Edit: Talk of Pirated Content, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled. I did have an iPhone 3GS 16gig a year ago and had 4 GPS apps, and I only used up about 8gigs.
You have have some real issues or an app hoarder if your 32gig iPhone is running out of space. (Unless you use it for music too)
But since you're having space issues still with a 32gig why have an iPhone at all? It has no expandable memory either. Rather weird you're bashing on the Nexus S with no expandable memory, yet you have an iPhone 4 32gig with no expandable memory and also having space issues.
Also btw, on Android, you can upload all your pics to picasa, and they are all accessible from the Gallery app at any time.
EDIT: I think this complaint about no microSD card is the worse microSD card complaint I've ever heard... comparing it to iPhone apps.... sigh.
remember that the 1gig of space for apps is not the 15 gigs of space as an SD card, so Fifa may be extremely large but the initial app is installed on "phone memory" and the extra is downloaded to "sd card"
The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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20-30 albums at hand ! I find even that too much. For me it would be 6-8 albums that I m currently listening to wanting to listen to. Thats more than enough for me for a month long period Then swap them
the missing microSD support does bother me quite a bit, as I'm a heavy user. (16 GB of MP3, 1.5GB of Apps, not counting my collection of 720 HD movies, now i can't have all of that after switching from SGS, due the space constrain)
but luckly having a true unlimited internet over 3G/HSUPA it's a little bit less of a worry, but i'd still prefer to have access to Removable storage.
So i started this topic in DEV http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885837
if they can unlock the USB to allow and mount external HDD & or USB memory sticks, then we'll be in good hands
Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
j2l84u said:
Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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NAND memory
nxt said:
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, jailbroken with TONS of pirated apps/games, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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I don't even use my iPod anymore. I only said that as an example, and I hate Apple and only have an iPod for testing and experience, not for personal use. For the Android, I've actually bought tons of apps. The refund period for the Android helps with making purchases too, too bad it's 15 minutes now though.
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16GB limit is probably the most limiting factor of the NS. That and the lack of a notification LED too.
NAND is supposed to be "lightning" fast but my experience with copying files to and from the NS is that it is way slower than an SD card. I know there are some tweaks out there to speed it up but still.
I wonder if the internal access for the CPU and apps is as slow; if so what is the advantage of NAND over SD?
Joe
I see no big issue with the amount of memory and lack of expansion. Your looking at a very small group of people that need more memory build in. 16gb is plenty for the majority of users.
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I'm using my iphone 4 for music but the nexus s is such a pleasure to use.There's always m spot or spotify for music
Shame about no sd though, was weird choice.
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I'm not sure why people keep creating these threads? We really don't care why you didn't buy a Nexus S. We did and we know all about your reason and it didn't bother us as much obviously.
Per forum rules, don't get XDA in trouble; please don't talk about pirating apps, games, or movies. Thank you, and enjoy the holidays!
And it worked. Got Mango'd and updated. Woohoo.
In May I left for android. WP hardware is just 2nd or even 3rd class in comparison. However, I do like windows phone. In looking at the upcoming releases, and the partnership with Nokia, the hardware gap should close.
So I turned the dell on for grins. And I still like it. My current droid is the bionic. No comparison, hardware wise. But is wise, WP is the way to go.
With the new leadership over at Microsoft, and Nokia in the mix, the future looks good...imo.
I'll probably wait on Apollo, but look forward to the move back.
I have been on android for years and just can't go back to it. Reminds me of Windows ME. It is a necessary evil.
I have a few Dell Streaks and I just updated 1 to see if gingerbread helped at all, and it did not. Mind you I unbloated, deoxded and cleaned it out and it is still slow, chunky and very annoying to wait for.
My mango dvp so far is the best OS i have had. It is simple, it works, and it is quick. I have easily over 100 apps on my dvp and it doesn't slow down..
the kicker for me is..
I can have bluetooth headset on, navigon navigation running, do a voice text back and forth and not miss a beat. Something I could never do on any android device and I had a few.
I think Apple and MS have the right idea when it comes to having a closed OS. I am sick of manufactures loading garbage like Samsung and HTC.
Thinking about the lumia 900.
Krad said:
I have been on android for years and just can't go back to it. Reminds me of Windows ME. It is a necessary evil.
I have a few Dell Streaks and I just updated 1 to see if gingerbread helped at all, and it did not. Mind you I unbloated, deoxded and cleaned it out and it is still slow, chunky and very annoying to wait for.
My mango dvp so far is the best OS i have had. It is simple, it works, and it is quick. I have easily over 100 apps on my dvp and it doesn't slow down..
the kicker for me is..
I can have bluetooth headset on, navigon navigation running, do a voice text back and forth and not miss a beat. Something I could never do on any android device and I had a few.
I think Apple and MS have the right idea when it comes to having a closed OS. I am sick of manufactures loading garbage like Samsung and HTC.
Thinking about the lumia 900.
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Yeah, I'm looking at it too. I can't wai. I may delay until laer in the year to see what verizon does though. Problem is, tmobile only has low end phones. Don't care for att. Verizon is so android and so mad at ms, windows phone will not be included.
My bionic is far superior to any windows phone, hardware wise. But the operating system on my dvp...I love it. I won't mind paying full price for a new windows phone that has acceptable hardware.
fingers cross for next year's rumored "wp super phones" with apollo.
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fingers cross for next year's rumored "wp super phones" with apollo.
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I can't imagine a super phone from Microsoft. I would rather have an Operating system on the phone that will link 'all' of the Microsoft features and services, without gimmicks. I would love skydrive to be more versatile. I would love to be able to stream my music from a skydrive like cloud. In fact, a do more cloud presense, with flexibility would be great. I like how Google and Amazon Music allow streaming. Zune is fine, I like it and have a subscription. But I want that cloud storage access.
After being in the Android world for most of the year, I see great ideas, but horrible quality control. Its too freakish...though I have the Bionic....I really want to be back on Windows phone. Hardware is the ONLY reason I am not.
I read somewhere about speed of the dual core phones vs the single core. What came into play was the amount of available RAM. Many Windows phones have 512 or less RAM. Most new Androids are all at 1g. Some people are pointing to this as part of the speed difference many people associate with processor.
I think consistency and steady improvement will bring Windows Phone back. Anyone read the article online the other day about the mismarketing of Windows phone and how it would have been better off being markedted as the xPhone????
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I can't imagine a super phone from Microsoft. I would rather have an Operating system on the phone that will link 'all' of the Microsoft features and services, without gimmicks. I would love skydrive to be more versatile. I would love to be able to stream my music from a skydrive like cloud. In fact, a do more cloud presense, with flexibility would be great. I like how Google and Amazon Music allow streaming. Zune is fine, I like it and have a subscription. But I want that cloud storage access.
After being in the Android world for most of the year, I see great ideas, but horrible quality control. Its too freakish...though I have the Bionic....I really want to be back on Windows phone. Hardware is the ONLY reason I am not.
I read somewhere about speed of the dual core phones vs the single core. What came into play was the amount of available RAM. Many Windows phones have 512 or less RAM. Most new Androids are all at 1g. Some people are pointing to this as part of the speed difference many people associate with processor.
I think consistency and steady improvement will bring Windows Phone back. Anyone read the article online the other day about the mismarketing of Windows phone and how it would have been better off being markedted as the xPhone????
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i've seen pretty convincing arguments on why more ram doesn't really benefit windows phone, given allocations to apps--it's somewhere on xda. and honestly at this point i haven't seen convincing evidence that dual core does what they claim to do (i.e. LOWER power consumption compared to single core at low load). seriously, look at the battery capacity of dual core phones. some extra cpu speed is nice, but that's not where the bottleneck is.
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i've seen pretty convincing arguments on why more ram doesn't really benefit windows phone, given allocations to apps--it's somewhere on xda. and honestly at this point i haven't seen convincing evidence that dual core does what they claim to do (i.e. LOWER power consumption compared to single core at low load). seriously, look at the battery capacity of dual core phones. some extra cpu speed is nice, but that's not where the bottleneck is.
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I agree with you on that. I have my dell, on wifi, running along side my bionic on wifi. The dell doesn't handle my wifi n very well.... but....side by side...the bionic is faster in access. alot faster....no...just enough to notice. Some apps run better on the bionic compared to the dell....like facebook and twitter. Working with the bank of america app, the dell was better.
but what I really noticed was the battery. I am approaching 48 hrs on my dell, and I'm at 40%. I've had to recharge the bionic 3 times in that same timeframe. To be honest, it could be the LTE. But, i've been home for most of that 48hrs. So I've been on wifi. The bionic is supposed to override the lte when wifi is on. I don't know if this is an android thing...or an lte thing or what.
Just watched the Nokia presentation at CES and the introduction of the Lumia 900. Unless something else comes up...that might be my next phone.
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I can't imagine a super phone from Microsoft. I would rather have an Operating system on the phone that will link 'all' of the Microsoft features and services, without gimmicks. I would love skydrive to be more versatile. I would love to be able to stream my music from a skydrive like cloud. In fact, a do more cloud presense, with flexibility would be great. I like how Google and Amazon Music allow streaming. Zune is fine, I like it and have a subscription. But I want that cloud storage access.
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Have you tried the SkyDrive App ? load your music up and stream away !
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Have you tried the SkyDrive App ? load your music up and stream away !
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I loaded it but did not look at it....trying it now. If it does what you say....next stop Nokia 900
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I loaded it but did not look at it....trying it now. If it does what you say....next stop Nokia 900
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won't stream. it will do a 1:1 song play...unless I missed something
Does anyone have any thoughts on the latest models of Android AIO's?
Personally I'm falling in love with the ideer of having a huge android on the angled table in front of me.
Many of them also doubles as an external touch screen for a pc with easy switching between function modes.
The one I look to buy is an acer DA223hql from amazon.de.
It's a bit pricey, and only has one gig of ram, but the size seems good for my reach and I like the 1080p resolution.
No argument that higher resolution is better like the acer TA272HUL's 2K or Lenovo ThinkVision 28's 4K, but those are both out of my price range and to big for for comfortable use.
The DA223hql seems to be the best compromise so far.
In my searches I stumbled upon a maintenance manual on Lenovos website which shows how to disassemble and replace the ram and hard drive on the Lenovo N308, and the components look like regular pc parts which makes me druel of the thought of a cheap Tegra 4 device backed by 4 gigs of ram and 1 - 1.5 TB of built in storage.
But the N308 is a 1600x900 TN panel with IR dual touch, and rumor has it that third party file explorers can't access the hard drive.
So I'm not sure i could live with those limitations.
I've not yet been able to find any reviews on the DA223hql and it seems to only be on sale in Germany so far, but several times my fingers have clicked the "add to cart" button.
I've just not been able to click "proceed to checkout" yet.
Please, someone give me some insight into these AIO's.
I trust android to be right for me in this category.
I trust that 18-22 inches is a good size if placed correctly.
I don't have much trouble living with android 4.1 or 4.2
I can manage to live with one gig of ram, though more would definitely be nicer.
lindarne said:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the latest models of Android AIO's?
Personally I'm falling in love with the ideer of having a huge android on the angled table in front of me.
Many of them also doubles as an external touch screen for a pc with easy switching between function modes.
The one I look to buy is an acer DA223hql from amazon.de.
It's a bit pricey, and only has one gig of ram, but the size seems good for my reach and I like the 1080p resolution.
No argument that higher resolution is better like the acer TA272HUL's 2K or Lenovo ThinkVision 28's 4K, but those are both out of my price range and to big for for comfortable use.
The DA223hql seems to be the best compromise so far.
In my searches I stumbled upon a maintenance manual on Lenovos website which shows how to disassemble and replace the ram and hard drive on the Lenovo N308, and the components look like regular pc parts which makes me druel of the thought of a cheap Tegra 4 device backed by 4 gigs of ram and 1 - 1.5 TB of built in storage.
But the N308 is a 1600x900 TN panel with IR dual touch, and rumor has it that third party file explorers can't access the hard drive.
So I'm not sure i could live with those limitations.
I've not yet been able to find any reviews on the DA223hql and it seems to only be on sale in Germany so far, but several times my fingers have clicked the "add to cart" button.
I've just not been able to click "proceed to checkout" yet.
Please, someone give me some insight into these AIO's.
I trust android to be right for me in this category.
I trust that 18-22 inches is a good size if placed correctly.
I don't have much trouble living with android 4.1 or 4.2
I can manage to live with one gig of ram, though more would definitely be nicer.
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don't have much input, but they are tempting me too. I may be wrong but I think android is currently maxed out at 2gb of ram and cannot handle any more. If you get one lemme know what you think, I am hoping it would be better than a chromebook experience.
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Just ordered an acer DA223hql
As far as I know android is based off of a 32 bit Linux system and is able to address up to 4gb ram.
probably 5.0 will be 64 bit which should allow ram in the terabyte range, not that I think anyone would need more than 2-3 gigs for a long time.
My Note 3 has 3 gigs, the LG G3 comes in a model with 2 gigs, and one with 3 gigs.
The Acer I've ordered has only one gig, which in my experience means I'll need to manage how much I'll have open at once.
A bit annoying but what's a guy to do.
With a little luck the ram will be replaceable.
Apart from that, the snapdragon 600 should be plenty fine for running a mostly stock android.
Unless of course the software is poorly optimized.
Not much hardware in the world can save you from poor software.
That's the scary part of being an early adopter.
At least it's not Acer's first attempt at this, so they have a little experience.
lindarne said:
Just ordered an acer DA223hql
As far as I know android is based off of a 32 bit Linux system and is able to address up to 4gb ram.
probably 5.0 will be 64 bit which should allow ram in the terabyte range, not that I think anyone would need more than 2-3 gigs for a long time.
My Note 3 has 3 gigs, the LG G3 comes in a model with 2 gigs, and one with 3 gigs.
The Acer I've ordered has only one gig, which in my experience means I'll need to manage how much I'll have open at once.
A bit annoying but what's a guy to do.
With a little luck the ram will be replaceable.
Apart from that, the snapdragon 600 should be plenty fine for running a mostly stock android.
Unless of course the software is poorly optimized.
Not much hardware in the world can save you from poor software.
That's the scary part of being an early adopter.
At least it's not Acer's first attempt at this, so they have a little experience.
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4 gb would make sense since it is just a 32 bit linux after all. Not sure where, but I read the 2gb thing somewhere previously. I had heard that most of those aios also used standard ddr3 so my guess is that it should not hurt to try. With the extra hdd thing, I'm sure the problem could be solved via software. Most apps on a stock kit kat build cannot write to the ext sdcard, might be the same problem you heard about regarding the added hdd.
Anyway lemme know when it comes in, if you have root and an unlocked bootloader I will most likely order one too.
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It'll unfortunately take a few weeks to get here.
I'm Danish but live in Cyprus.
Sadly Amazon.de wouldn't ship it to me down here, so I had to order it to my dad's address in Denmark and then when it arrives there he'll forward it here.
Sucky way but at least I'll get the one I want.
As for the limited access to the hard drive in the Lenovo model, I have no idea.
It runs 4.2 JB so it can't be the kitkat thing.
Did you get it?
I was thinking about doing similar but ended up getting tab pro 12.2.
Got it, yes
And have been playing around with it for a few days.
Here's the quick and dirty of it.
First of all the screen, as nothing about it is as prevalent when dealing with a 22 inch tablet.
It's bright and with excellent viewing angles.
Resolution is a bit on the low side considering I watch it from about a foot and a half away.
The snapdragon 600 happily chugs along on a nearly vanilla built of Android.
There is a tiny bit of lag here and there, but I chug that up more to the single gig of ram.
An interesting little side note is that the screen Wakes up when touched, so no need to fumble the side for the on-off button.
The 16 gigs of built in storage fills up quickly so an SD card is definitely a must.
As the port is a full size SD you have the opportunity for cheap and really fast cards.
I have my eyes on a 128 gig, so I can get my 64 gig micro back in my phone.
Another way to do it is to mount a USB drive, but that option is better as a secondary.
It easily reads both exFat and ntfs, so no problems with my old 750 gig USB drive.
Another side note: a big USB drive will be good for videos.
Remember that I said that I sit close to the screen?
Well the negative side of that is that ANY lack of quality in my movies show up like sitting a few yards from a nuke.
I'll need to upgrade much of my media to 1080 versions with a good bit rate. Wich incidentally means I'll need more storage.
The problems of the developing world, right?
But playing a high quality movie right in my face is awesome though.
The speakers are OK, and more than enough at my distance.
For acting as a music system I have it connected to a Phillips Bluetooth speaker, which works fine.
The biggest problem with audio is watching movies with 5.1 on stereo speakers.
You turn up the audio to hear what they are saying, only to wake up the whole house as soon as any action starts.
Maybe someone can suggest a cheap and compact surround soundbar? I don't have room for a full speaker system.
Or would a small 5.1 amp with just the 3 front speakers connected be enough?
Mostly I just need the center channel so I can hear the dialog.
Unless it gets updated to "L" it's options for audio out is pretty much limited to a mini jack.
That's as much as I have time for now.
Later I hope to get into the issues of multi tasking like floating apps and the likes.
Bonus: towelroot worked flawlessly on this one. Full root privileges, but don't forget to install superuser yourself.
towelroot
Hi
I got mind yesterday too and I agree with your statement.
It is a valid device...but when you say
lindarne said:
Bonus: towelroot worked flawlessly on this one. Full root privileges, but don't forget to install superuser yourself.
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I would like to agree too, but for me towelroot does not work.
Can you help? I rooted many devices so far but I can not came up with this one....
Thanks in advance
silvio76
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Hi
I got mind yesterday too and I agree with your statement.
It is a valid device...but when you say
I would like to agree too, but for me towelroot does not work.
Can you help? I rooted many devices so far but I can not came up with this one....
Thanks in advance
silvio76
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Should not be complicated. I hope...
I installed this apk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2h75gcp8y1r6us/TowelRoot.apk
Ran it once.
It rebooted my system.
I installed supersu, and updated the binary.
And it was done.
Have not posted a link here before, so if there is any problems pm me and I'll mail you the link or file.
I'm not next to my acer right now, so if you need to know it's firmware version I'll have to check it later.
But start with the towelroot I used.
Hope it helps.
Regards, Arne
hi
I will give it a try thanks.
Be advised 128 GB SD card is not supported....
Keep in touch
Silvio76
EDIT it works with towelroot v1, I was using v3.....
Thanks again....
No problem.
Did you try a 128 card?
Often when they write the card size limit is to avoid customers calling them and asking the where to get a "1 terabyte card" that the written specs say would work.
But it is a micro SD-XC port and unless Acer screwed something up or set a deliberate limit, the SD-XC standard reaches all the way to 4 TB, though I doubt that we'd find such any time soon.
Hi
Yes
tried a brand new Kingston 128 gb , no luck ,
formatted with a Windows pc , no luck,
partioned at 64 GB, then formatted and it works...
May be it is my card....but is strange....
Scary news.
Did you try to format it from an Android device?
When I first bought a 64 card for my original Note I had to format it in the phone before it would read it.
But I also saw a guy Frankenstein'ing his Note 2 to run a 256 GB card, and that one is rated for 64 gig max...
Of course to connect a full sized SD to a phone you need a special adapter.
Hi
I tried from the Acer Da223hql at first but formatting was an endless process....it took about 20 minutes before I surrended...and switched to Win8 for the format operation. But then the card was not readable for the Acer....so I went for the partitioning.
I suspect that 64gb is the maximum allowed on this machine...
If you want more details here I am...
Silvio76
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I also use this device as an external touchscreen monitor for a win8 laptop and it is great...
works without a glitch....
On the Android side I installed Floating apps and Floating Browser, so I take advantage of the large screen...
Try it
And the hits just keep on coming.
Dared to take it apart today (pretty scary), and it turned out that the ram is not replaceable.
Live with the gig you have.
Ah well, it was a good dream though, 4 gigs...
Have mounted a 3tb USB drive though, with no trouble what so ever.
And I connected my laptop to the hdmi for the first time.
It works but has some weird behavior.
The picture shrunken but the touch sensor works correctly, so the further from the center I touch the more offset it registres.
Both my acer and my laptop run at 1080p, and I set it to mirroring.
The laptop days it's sending 1080p at 60 hz and the Acer says the received signal is 1080/60 so I don't see the problem.
The Acers settings screen does have a section marked by a square with arrows going out. But it ain't selectable.
Haven't seen manual resizing since crt and analog monitors anyway.
Any ideas?
Hi
you are very brave trying to open it!
As far as I know these devices (based on Qualcomm Snapdragon) have integrated/soldered RAM, so I never thought to check it by myself.
By the way 1Gb is plenty in my opinion, then it depends what kind of application you have in mind (photo editing and such can be memory killer)
As external touch monitor it worked fine for me. I have a 2in1 Asus Transformer Book Win8 based and I use the extended desktop mode.
The Acer was immediately recognized as a monitor and touch input device. No issue with screen resolution and/or its alignement.
Would you like to try that setup and see if works well? If no may be is your Acer that does not work properly.
I did not touch any setting on the OSD menu.
Furthermore I installed Xposed frameworks+XHalo floating windows manager and now I have a Windows-like multitasking.....check it, it's worth the test. Several windows at the same time (Chrome, terminal emulator, Youtube) and no lag.....unbelivable.
Looking for your comments
silvio76
Thanks on the bravery comment
Just sad it was fruitless.
I feel limits when moving my big files around in the background , and think more ram would have eliminated that.
But I'll live with it.
My laptop is an Asus u38n (the ultrabook with an AMD instead of Intel).
It connects fine to our TV without the weird scaling.
I guess I'll try sending Acer a mail and see if they have some advice.
I've only just started experimenting with the multi window funktions.
Juggling 50 hour work week with being a husband and father sometimes means that things move slower than I'd like.
But even without multi window I am pretty happy with it.
I knew from my wife's old gPad that the snapdragon 600 is no slouch.
Do you know a popup client for hangouts that works the way chatheads for Facebook messenger works?
I don't use Facebook much but love that concept.
Just haven't found a hangouts client that does it that elegant.
Hi
Being an husband and a father myself I fully understand
Concerning labour hours, my yesterday working day ended after 14 hours, so......I'm done! But we are lucky to have a job nowadays.
Back on topic I'm not a Facebook user, neither my wife, therefore the only app I can suggest, which can have similar functionality, is Lilypad Hd.
You can find it on Playstore. Hope it will suit your need!
Cheers
Silvio76
Interesting little tid bit.
I needed to empty out my 64GB micro SD and chose to format it in my note 3 (running stock).
After formatting the acer told me that it was faulty and offered to format it.
I chose yes and like yours it just stood there for half an hour with no result.
So I put it in my laptop and formatted it from there ending up with the same "faulty" message.
So finally I put used my original gNote (running CM11) now there is no problems.
somehow, somewhere, there is a difference in the way different devices do it
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Interesting little tid bit.
I needed to empty out my 64GB micro SD and chose to format it in my note 3 (running stock).
After formatting the acer told me that it was faulty and offered to format it.
I chose yes and like yours it just stood there for half an hour with no result.
So I put it in my laptop and formatted it from there ending up with the same "faulty" message.
So finally I put used my original gNote (running CM11) now there is no problems.
somehow, somewhere, there is a difference in the way different devices do it
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Hi in my experience Samsung Android devices have "bad" attitude in respect of vanilla Android.
They probably have some changes in the code which are not limited to the interface (TouchWiz), resulting in incompatibilities.
This is the Android fragmentation people often blame.
However when I formatted the SD card in my laptop, the Acer accepted it without assle.
I would try again formatting the SD with the PC and see if this happen again....sometimes magic happens
silvio79