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Hi,
I am currently using a Samsung F480 and I really have to say the difference in the touch screen experience is very much noticeable compared to my HTC Wizard (I'd probably call it Apple-esque - even though I never actually used their phone), however at the very same time I also have to admit that I am really missing the possibilities Windows Mobile offers.
So when I first read about the Touch HD it seemed it would unify all those. Well, meanwhile I found out that the touch screen technology basically remained the same so I'd really be interested to hear how you would actually rate it? Does one still have to press/push the screen or does a simply touch do it as well?
Apart from the touch screen topic I am also a bit uncertain after reading threads like this and in particular vangrieg's posting. How would you rate the overall performance?
Basically what I would be looking for would be a compact phone with a good display, easily extensible (Windows Mobile) and a nice touch screen experience (Apple) ....
i have it for a week now and i am very satisfied with it. Not one program crashed and no reboot so far. Internet browsing is fast and really usable. For the first time ever i really like to surf the net while commuting on the subway. GPS with TomTom7 is great - i locks in seconds even when in downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.
regarding the touchscreen, i find that i have to press really hard to get a reaction. at first i even was reluctant to press so hard because i thought i would break it with the stylus. but now i am glad that it does not react to simple touching because i usually carry it in the pocket of my trousers and touch the display when handling it and it should not react to simple touching in my view - and it does not.
Thanks kkrammer, so you havent noticed respectively cant confirm the lag mentioned by donbronzi and jon- in the indicated thread. I am asking in particular because vangrieg stated the used Qualcomm processor shouldnt be the fastest.
As to the touch screen, this is certainly a subjective matter but personally I really like Samsung's way to respond even to a very very light touch without having to actually press it. So you would say one actually has to press it, a light touch doesnt do it?
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After owning a Touch Diamond, I feel that the screen is much more responsive. I dont have to press hard at all. I really like it so far. Yes it is a bit bigger and heavier, its still thin. All my programs are working great.
Thanks wfhowell, actually I just went to a store and expectedly they didnt have an HD yet, however there was the Diamond and considering my touch tests I slowly begin to understand the Apple fanboys. Coming from the Samsung F480 I was almost unable to use it. So how much would you say was the HD improved in this area?
Maybe someone who used Apple's, the F480 and the HD could outline where he/she would see the differences.
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
Its the best phone till today... awesome tough still not perfect..
Unless you still think that a phone requires a QWERTY keyboard (I haven't missed on yet on this awesome phon) I'd run to my local dealer
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
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Thanks Marcel, I know Apple's touch screen as well as - probably - the F480's measure via the skin but nonetheless I was "shocked" today when I saw what touching means in terms of the Diamond.
How "close" would you say is the sensitivity you mentioned?
Can someone who has experience with the Wizard and the HD tell if there is an actual difference in the sensitivity.
I'd love to get an HD - even if its price is currently almost prohibitive - but I am not sure whether I'd really like to go back.
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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its not worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I found you have to push a fair bit harder with the stylus on the screen than with your finger. If you use your finger it responds to a very light touch in comparism and is very responsive.
Thanks, for a real-world example, how hard would one have to press to slide the tabbar on the home screen left and right. Would just placing the finger without actual pressure be enough?
hi drzoid
how sensitive is the screen on mine...not sure how best to answer.
On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
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Just like with the F480.
marcel808 said:
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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Thank you Marcel, perfect explanation, even though I am not sure whether this is really close if one has to push 1mm into the screen .
Somehow my excitement gets colder, unfortunately
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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Well, personally I dont really need a stylus, although the magnetic of the HD makes a precious impression. Anyhow Samsung's screen is what I would really define as touch screen. It would be interesting how close it is, but the 1mm Marcel mentioned doesnt sound too close .... I guess I will have to wait until I can see the HD live.
What a shame almost
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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I have both the diamond (business phone) and, recently, the HD (personal phone). The HD is a step change in a number of ways. The larger screen, in purely size terms, makes sense of the touchflo interface. Buttons are big, and useable, and I'm rarely (if ever) pulling out the stylus. Also the software itself is faster, more developed (losts of little changes - like answering a call uses a finger gesture, rather than pressing a button - which means you are much less likely to inadvertantly answer an incoming call in your pocket. a little thing, but one of a myriad of significant little changes). The stock ROM is blisteringly fast in comparison (my diamond is the t-mobile version, and a shocker in comparison). Given that they are roughly the same hardware it shows what the diamond may become capable of. The screen is spectacular. The sensitivity (though lacking multi-touch, no biggie for me) feels just right. The battery life literally takes my breath away. I've run it for two lumps of two days, and not yet got the battery below 50%. My diamond corpses after about 24 hours.
It's the best WM device I've had by a country mile, and I've had a few. I still like my diamond, though. It's little and I can look after it much better when I'm out for a riotous night on the town. The HD is big, and until I can get a silicone case for it, it's a dropped smashed phone waiting to happen (I hate having to remove a phone from a case to use it, it massively increases the chance of accidents).
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I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Really? If I judge it from my Acer Aspire I would then actually call it decent.
I really have to find a store where you can try it out .
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For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
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Well, I can talk only for the F480 which actually has Netfront and there you can click links without zooming, even if you have aim well sometimes.
Lets say I am not against a stylus but I am for the touch experience the F480 brings .
Placement of power button is really a major design flaw, you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous, I can turn on even my lawnmower with one hand. The reset button hidden under battery cover, hey, it's running windows, reset button is one of most important buttons. If I need to remove battery cover I can reset my phone by just removing battery as well. I don't need that button anyway. No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait? And again you need two hands to take a picture. Volume buttons on side are too big, I press them accidentally all the time so I end up in silent mode and don't hear incoming calls or SMS. What was wrong with sliding volume button on original Touch? Light sensor is great idea, however it doesn't recognize light in my room from pitch black, it has the same value (zero) so I can have minimum backlight and see nothing or I can have medium backlight and blind my eyes when I pickup my phone at midnight. You can't use this cellphone lying on table, because it wobbles because of that that camera protector. I'm talking just about HW issues so far. The are infinite software issues, but software can be tuned. HW will stay like that, HTC Touch HD is just a one huge design fault. I have been using HTC Touch (Elf) before. I have been looking forward to buy this phone since HTC announced it. I didn't expect I will get for my money this piece of ****ing ****. Excuse me.
I know how you feel. you know, I never learn. When the Omnia was announced I bought it. Was disappointed and sent it back. Then.. WOW! the HD looks cool! Bought it for £500! I've just arranged for it to be returned. Quite a disappointment all round really. Design as you say isn't great, its heavy too for its size. Not may apps run on it including TT5. Its no upgrade from the Diamond in my opinion, well not £500s worth.
I put my sim in my diamond again today and thoughthis is better, and looks better. Bye Bye HD. All I need for my diamond is a better battery, £50 done.
Also that paint chipping malarky isn't good is it? Now.. I just need to learn my lessons and stop being such a geek! My Girlfriend told everyone I'd shelled out £500 for a phone. They think i'm 'kin mad! I agree
Not may apps run on it including TT5. ...
C'mon - I doubt even WM5 was out when that was released.
you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous...
No it doesn't. i anyway can easily turn it on one-handed.
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Placement of power button is really a major design flaw, you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous, I can turn on even my lawnmower with one hand.
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Indeed this is an ultimate example of stupidity. Funny how nobody complained about the same thing done by Apple though in Jesus Phone. It's just equally annoying there.
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The reset button hidden under battery cover, hey, it's running windows, reset button is one of most important buttons.
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Couldn't care less where the reset button is, frankly. Unlike you, I'm not a big fan of pressing it, on Windows or not, so don't use it often enough to be bothered.
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No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait?
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Yes, if you want to delete it right away - this is not a camera, this is an extreme piece of garbage. Maybe HTC device users are used to this I don't know. But I was simply shocked. It's so slow that it's simply impossible to capture anything that moves faster than continents are drifting.
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I didn't expect I will get for my money this piece of ****ing ****. Excuse me.
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Come on, they just don't make good phones, admit it. Any phone has tons of stupidities. There's no other choice but to accept the least of the evils out there. Somehow making excellent things just doesn't seem an attractive business model anymore. It's just so much easier to stick a stupid 3.5mm jack for headphones with no data capability for a remote control (people will buy this no matter it's less convenient in practice than extUSB Audio, if you think about it for a moment), and make a camera with a bigger megapixel count that a competitor has.
But I digress...
No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait?
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Uhhhh, how about using the front-facing camera, duh....
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Somehow making excellent things just doesn't seem an attractive business model anymore.
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Camera with bigger mega pixels and ever crappier plastic lens just annoys the hell out of me, but unfortunately they get away with this; because the majority of people are stupid (or ignorant, or whatever.)
Being less harsh..... I suppose in the grand scheme of things all this technology is new, once the expectation & experience of the general public catches up, finally we will see better devices.
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Camera with bigger mega pixels and ever crappier plastic lens just annoys the hell out of me, but unfortunately they get away with this; because the majority of people are stupid (or ignorant, or whatever.)
Being less harsh..... I suppose in the grand scheme of things all this technology is new, once the expectation & experience of the general public catches up, finally we will see better devices.
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Lol! Buying a Touch HD and expecting it to be good enough to replace your regular digi is stupid (or ignorant, or whatever.)
Seems to me that people forget that this is a cell phone first...it's not a digital camera with a phone feature.
yeah there are design flaws as there are for all phones
i have small hands and i can turn it one handed so i'm not sure whats wrong with your hands...
yes the reset button is poorly placed as is the volume rocker and having no dedicated camera button is weird as well.
in saying that the main fetaure of the hd over others is the screen size and display resolution.
there is no 'perfect' device, if there ever was then they'd have no room to make future stuff.
I'm pissed with the poor camera and lack of flash and it really wouldnt surprise me whetehr they release a simialr version within the next 6-12 months with these fetaures. but if they had everything we wnated this time, why would we buy the next model?
Nothing is perfect, every fone gonna have some flaws, because every1 thinks differently, and the phone are made up of only a group of ppl, so there bound to be ppl who think its ****.
So tell me a fone you think that's you think's good, then i'll tell you the "fking ****" out of it?
Major Usage flaws
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Man, I am trying really hard not to laugh ... or curse at you.
Placement of power button is really a major design flaw, you need two hands to turn on your phone, this is ridiculous, I can turn on even my lawnmower with one hand.
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Funny how millions of iphone (same location of power button) users and hundreds of HD users never complained about this problem. may be you need to examine if you are holding the phone correctly. I can turn on the phone with my either hand, my teenage children can turn on the phone with either of their small hands.. my judo coach can turn it on with either of his giant paws. so unless you have 4 fingers on each hand, i am baffled at your complaint.
The reset button hidden under battery cover, hey, it's running windows, reset button is one of most important buttons. If I need to remove battery cover I can reset my phone by just removing battery as well. I don't need that button anyway.
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This is highly depended on what kind of junk you install on your phone, i never had to use my reset button since I got my phone 3 weeks ago.
No camera button, how I'm supposed to take autoportrait? And again you need two hands to take a picture.
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first of all wtf is "autoportrait"? you mean portrait picture? or self-portrait? or auto focus? I haven't heard of one camera that can "autoportrait" a picture for me. Secondly, I take pix on HD with one hand, landscape or portrait. the friends to whom I showed my phone to for the first time snapped pix one-handed. You are like an old grandma who doesn't want to change the way you do stuff because you are used to your thumb being the "holder" and index finger being the "trigger". if you need help, i'll be mroe than happy to take a pic of how me and my friends operate this phone with one hand.
Volume buttons on side are too big, I press them accidentally all the time so I end up in silent mode and don't hear incoming calls or SMS. What was wrong with sliding volume button on original Touch?
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irritating yes, major flaw no! DeviceLock, S2U2, PocketShield, etc etc.. all provide customized lock function that will lock hardware keys. Gosh, since you are so lazy, here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449744
Light sensor is great idea, however it doesn't recognize light in my room from pitch black, it has the same value (zero) so I can have minimum backlight and see nothing or I can have medium backlight and blind my eyes when I pickup my phone at midnight.
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If you are not using any third party software to adjust the light, then yes, the screen tend to be brighter than it should. but it definitely never came to a point in any condition where the backlight is off and i can "see nothing". If you are using a third party software, then it's your own laziness that needs help so you can adjust the software's settings to best suite your enviroment. I use G-Light and it is working wonderfully.
You can't use this cellphone lying on table, because it wobbles because of that that camera protector.
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LOL, I dont even know where to begin for this one. Should I tell you to get a regular home/landline phone because you are using a cell phone on a table? or should I ask why do you care the phone wobbles if you are setting it on the table, because your attention must be somewhere else, and busy doing something else with your two hands in the meanwhile, after all that should be the reason you set the phone down in the first place no? Honestly, if your are doing something else with your two hands, and the phone is on the desk, it just wobbles on it own?!?! Or are you telling us that you get a kick out of setting a cell phone on the table and talk, while poking it with one hand to enjoy or dislike its wobbliness??
I'm talking just about HW issues so far. The are infinite software issues, but software can be tuned. HW will stay like that, HTC Touch HD is just a one huge design fault. I have been using HTC Touch (Elf) before.
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Clearly, with the way you are using your cell phone, there are many other complaints to be logged. I am looking forward for more great laughs.
......this piece of ****ing ****.
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This line is the reason for the tone of my response. if you have a problem or need help adjusting, ask, and we'll help you. if you have something valuable to share, type it down, and we will thank you. Coming here to rant just because you are not doing things right.. well.... thanks for the laugh.. again.
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You are excused.
I find it perfectly easy to turn the phone off one handed. I haven't had cause to use the reset button yet so who cares where it is. Not to mention that you don't want it in too convenient a location lest it is pressed by accident! The movement of the device while on a flat surface is minimal. Admittedly the fact that the volume buttons don't lock is annoying but something I am sure can be solved with software. The lack of a camera button is a minor irritant although accidentally pushing the button and activating the camera on my Trinity was also slightly irritating.
I would suggest that your list of "Major Flaws" hardly adds up to a minor irritant and if you are so frustrated by such small things then I doubt you are ever content. Nothing is perfect, to expect such is foolish and will only ever end in disappointment...
You can reset the device by taking the back cover off but you can also reset by holding down the power button for a few seconds
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Funny how millions of iphone (same location of power button) users and hundreds of HD users never complained about this problem. may be you need to examine if you are holding the phone correctly. I can turn on the phone with my either hand, my teenage children can turn on the phone with either of their small hands.. my judo coach can turn it on with either of his giant paws. so unless you have 4 fingers on each hand, i am baffled at your complaint.
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They did not complain because they don't know they could have better. Yes I can turn it on with either hand also, but it is very inconvenient. If you think this button is well placed, then you must have both hands left.
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This is highly depended on what kind of junk you install on your phone, i never had to use my reset button since I got my phone 3 weeks ago.
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If you are doing experiments you just have to
buggybug0 said:
irritating yes, major flaw no! DeviceLock, S2U2, PocketShield, etc etc.. all provide customized lock function that will lock hardware keys. Gosh, since you are so lazy, here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449744
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Yeah right, if it is not design flaw why should I ever use any third party sw to disable it? If you have to find a way how to deal with it it mean it's flawed, period. Volume button on Elf was just fine no need to bother how to disable it.
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If you are not using any third party software to adjust the light, then yes, the screen tend to be brighter than it should. but it definitely never came to a point in any condition where the backlight is off and i can "see nothing". If you are using a third party software, then it's your own laziness that needs help so you can adjust the software's settings to best suite your enviroment. I use G-Light and it is working wonderfully.
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It has flawed hw, no software will help you, as I said light sensor is not sensitive enough to see difference between normal lighting condition in my room and pitch black, so everything in between is the same. So you cannot set different backlight for normal room and dark night.
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LOL, I dont even know where to begin for this one.
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Just place your phone on table and try to hit [X] button. that's it.
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You can reset the device by taking the back cover off but you can also reset by holding down the power button for a few seconds
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power button won't help you in certain situations.
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Yeah right, if it is not design flaw why should I ever use any third party sw to disable it? If you have to find a way how to deal with it it mean it's flawed, period. Volume button on Elf was just fine no need to bother how to disable it.
It has flawed hw, no software will help you, as I said light sensor is not sensitive enough to see difference between normal lighting condition in my room and pitch black, so everything in between is the same. So you cannot set different backlight for normal room and dark night.
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You dont need third party software, a small dll edit sorts it out and some people want to be able to adjust the volume while the device is locked so they can easily change music volume.
The light sensor is suprisingly sensitive. Do as instructed, install G-Light and all your backlight woes will melt away
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You dont need third party software, a small dll edit sorts it out and some people want to be able to adjust the volume while the device is locked so they can easily change music volume.
The light sensor is suprisingly sensitive. Do as instructed, install G-Light and all your backlight woes will melt away
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Light sensor is not sensitive enough, I installed GLight, thats how I found out.
The thing that I dont like with HD is .... current TouchFlo 3D.
HD has 3.8" screen, great 800x480 resolution ... but that TF3D Today screen is just waste of space because it can only display 2 appointments.
To make it worse, I cannot install Today plugin there.
Oh yeah, I can disable and use other Today application like the old HTC Home, SecondToday or SpB Mobile Shell ...
You right, but that's not the point ... HTC should have done it right to incorporate the new hardware ... the big screen with its software, user interface, and such.
Another one, why the contact photo tab could not have "tiled" (arrange to grid) photo arrangement? I hate scrolling just to find the correct contact photo. The contact photo in Manilla is better.
Another one, why the image viewer could not operate in full screen? Yes, I know, the sliding flow animation is nice for showing off .... but to have option for full screen is much better.
So, thanks to current economic crisis, I decided to wait for the next iteration.
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The thing that I dont like with HD is .... current TouchFlo 3D.
HD has 3.8" screen, great 800x480 resolution ... but that TF3D Today screen is just waste of space because it can only display 2 appointments.
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as much as we dont like the tf3d, we have to realize, htc gave this to us for free. other companies, charge for such a program, spb mobile shell, etc.
secondly, even you agreeed this is a beautiful phone, so htc did a great job. software wise, ms mobile is bad. even worse, ms didn't open their platform, so htc can't implement this "touch " shell deeper into the OS. given their fortay is in the hardware, and this giiant obstacle, i say they did an admirable job.
as for the appointmments, using advanced config tool, i can seethe appointments of the next two days. give it a try.
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Another one, why the image viewer could not operate in full screen? Yes, I know, the sliding flow animation is nice for showing off .... but to have option for full screen is much better.
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What do you mean by that? Go to Album, see the thumbnails, tap on a picture and voila - you have it in full screen.
Hi guys,
I'm curious. What is the lifespan of the HTC Touch HD's screen? I know it's a seemingly random question, but I was just wondering. I tend to keep my devices for a very long time so this would be valuable information in helping me decide if this is the phone for me.
Cheers.
Well, I have noticed that the screen is a bit scratch sensitive as the top layer is made of plastic. Screen responsiveness is mediocre and clarity and picture quality are good to very good. Overall I like the screen. =]
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Well, I have noticed that the screen is a bit scratch sensitive as the top layer is made of plastic. Screen responsiveness is mediocre and clarity and picture quality are good to very good. Overall I like the screen. =]
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Antrak,
Thanks for that input. I appreciate it. However, I was wondering about the touch screen's duration, as in, how many years before the touch screen will crap out on you. Any idea?
Also, the screen's responsiveness can be fixed by using a registry editor and looking for the responsiveness setting. I think you can hop on over to the X1 to see what the registry mod is.
Cheers.
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Antrak,
Thanks for that input. I appreciate it. However, I was wondering about the touch screen's duration, as in, how many years before the touch screen will crap out on you. Any idea?
Also, the screen's responsiveness can be fixed by using a registry editor and looking for the responsiveness setting. I think you can hop on over to the X1 to see what the registry mod is.
Cheers.
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No problem. Ah in that way. Well I think that if you take good care of your device and handle it carefully, the touch screen won't fail any sooner then other components of the device will. I still have a device that's way over it's preservation date and the screen still functions the way it's supposed too, so I don't really think you will have any trouble with that.
I did the registry settings and tweaks, I still find it mediocre though. In my mind I put it in this list -Touch HD Mediocre - Touch Diamond 2 Good - Capacitive Excellent -.
But thing is, the bigger the screen is on a resistive screen type device, the more pressure you need to give, not incredibly much but still.
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No problem. Ah in that way. Well I think that if you take good care of your device and handle it carefully, the touch screen won't fail any sooner then other components of the device will. I still have a device that's way over it's preservation date and the screen still functions the way it's supposed too, so I don't really think you will have any trouble with that.
I did the registry settings and tweaks, I still find it mediocre though. In my mind I put it in this list -Touch HD Mediocre - Touch Diamond 2 Good - Capacitive Excellent -.
But thing is, the bigger the screen is on a resistive screen type device, the more pressure you need to give, not incredibly much but still.
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Antrak,
Thank you for that input. You've given me confidence in wanting to get this phone now (I would have gotten it already, but I was scammed about 2 months ago and I had to save again)! How is the usability of the phone using fingers alone? How often would you need to use the stylus?
Cheers.
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Antrak,
Thank you for that input. You've given me confidence in wanting to get this phone now (I would have gotten it already, but I was scammed about 2 months ago and I had to save again)! How is the usability of the phone using fingers alone? How often would you need to use the stylus?
Cheers.
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Too bad to hear that you've been scammed!
It is a really great device, I loved it from the moment it came out of it's nice black box.
I actually never use the stylus, and I have decently fat fingers. With a screen this size, I have no problems whatsoever navigating through the windows mobile 6.1 screens and I can't understand how some people actually use a stylus on this thing. For me, it's -completely- (including small 6.1 buttons) finger friendly.
agree with antrak =) it is a wonderful device =) I still use the stylus at times though, mostly for the transcriber input mode =) never recall any time where I was forced to use the stylus instead of fingers =)
figner use is quite ok.. though i agree touch HD screen is not as responsive as ..say compared to X1
leobox1 said:
figner use is quite ok.. though i agree touch HD screen is not as responsive as ..say compared to X1
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leobox,
Well, that is perfectly fine with me. Not-as-responsive-screen > Eventually-cracking-case.
May I ask where you blokes purchased your Touch HD from (US folks). Also, do you need any sort of data plan to be able to use navigation software? I ask because Im not sure if aGPS systems require that or do you only need to pay for Navigation software? I'm also going to guess that using your phone as a GPS-System will eat the battery faster than you can say "The THD is teh sheetz!" ?
Cheers.
I've always wondered why recently..well for awhile now why have there been so many new releases of Android devices with touchscreen without qwerty keyboards and with touch screens with qwerty keyboards..but no trackpads or trackballs? I've always find it very useful. Since The G1, Nexus one and The G2. Even the HTC mytouchs.
But now it seems they're forgetting them. I've been holding out on so many good phones just for that fact. Ima keyboard kinda guy,but I'll take a chance with an all touch phone but if it atleast had a track pad or track ball. The one for the Nexus One was absolutely awesome.
I mean what do you guys think? Are you guys like me? I mean,its like a small tiny mouse that can help select and click hard to reach links and other stuff on webpages. Very useful for people with big fingers.
What are your thoughts?
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Don't care I never ever use it. Not even in recovery lol.
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There is always blackberry
I certainly hope its not the end. The precision I get from my G2's trackpad is soo much better than what I can get from my finger. I still want an Android phone with a physical keyboard and a trackpad.
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Trackpad is one more thing that increase the device cost to manufacturers.
unfortunately new devices don't come with it, and I don't think it will change in the future, once we have big touch screens...
Sad, RIP trackpads...
I dont need the trackpad... bigger screen would be nice No Trackpad but bigger screen thats what i like
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Bharakrama said:
I certainly hope its not the end. The precision I get from my G2's trackpad is soo much better than what I can get from my finger. I still want an Android phone with a physical keyboard and a trackpad.
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Keyboard yes Trackpad...why? Seriously what can you do with it that cannot be done with a finger faster? lol
TBH, the only time I ever use the trackpad is the wake the phone and in recovery. Newer phones are becoming all screen and you may be seeing capacitive and physical buttons going away as well, a la Galaxy Nexus (or Nexus Prime or whatever they end up calling it). Honeycomb and ICS both have on-screen buttons, which strongly suggests buttons going bye bye. Personally, I don't even use the keyboard. I came from the Vibrant and got used to using the on screen keyboard. The main selling points of the G2 were HSPA+ and the hackability because it was Cyanogen's daily driver at the time. While I may not find use for the trackpad and keyboard, I hope OEMs keep these features. One of the major selling point of Android over the iPhone and WM devices is the ability to customize and have a phone with all of the features you'd want.
Ahh, well I guess there's not many of us trackpad lovers.
It's just much more easier with it. I've used it a lot .
Especially when browseing , for those hard to reach links without having to zoom all over the place.
And track pad wake so it won't be such a hassle going to the darn power button up top.
Its also much easier to move the cursor when typing certain things.
Like me when I made a mistake,instead touching to the misspelling and always touching the wrong space,I can immidietly scroll to it with the trackpad.
But,I guess its just a few of us.
I'm afraid I'm forced to get used to a non-trackpad/trackball device sooner or later.
Thanks for your opinions guys.
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I was always fascinated by Blackberry's trackpad/ball accuracy and loved it at first on my Desire Z. But from day one, just because of moving in light, the trackpad would behave all crazy and from that day I just stopped using it. Even when I think about it now, I don't use it at all not even for corrections. So for me its a good way the manufacturers are going. Also removing them help them make full screen phones (ala GNexus) so it keeps the phone size in check as well.
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TBH, Honeycomb and ICS both have on-screen buttons, which strongly suggests buttons going bye bye.
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HC is the tablet only iteration of Android. The reasoning in doing away with the buttons on tablets, is that you have so much more screen real estate on tablets, and taking some for the home/back/menu buttons is no big deal.
I think ICS supports devices having capacitive buttons or not. I haven't looked at the actual screen proportions/dimensions, but from the Galaxy Nexus screenshots, it looks like the screen is actually lengthened to accommodate the screen buttons. Otherwise, they are hogging up way too much screen area.
I personally would not like to see the capacitive buttons go away. If nothing else, the Home buttons works most the time when an app freezes up. If you are using an app and have the screen buttons hidden (like a game of watching a video), you are just stuck waiting, or maybe hold down the power button.
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HC is the tablet only iteration of Android. The reasoning in doing away with the buttons on tablets, is that you have so much more screen real estate on tablets, and taking some for the home/back/menu buttons is no big deal.
I think ICS supports devices having capacitive buttons or not. I haven't looked at the actual screen proportions/dimensions, but from the Galaxy Nexus screenshots, it looks like the screen is actually lengthened to accommodate the screen buttons. Otherwise, they are hogging up way too much screen area.
I personally would not like to see the capacitive buttons go away. If nothing else, the Home buttons works most the time when an app freezes up. If you are using an app and have the screen buttons hidden (like a game of watching a video), you are just stuck waiting, or maybe hold down the power button.
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x2 hardware buttons definately help...
I think the trackball/trackpad is a legacy from pre-iPhone android... which looked a heck of a lot like a blackberry.
Personally I like and use the trackpad quite a bit. It's perfect for adjusting typos and allowing for better cursor placement as well as coming in handy as a directional tool when using the terminal or ssh.
Plus having it light up in different colors a la the nexus one is a great way to provide notifications.
I don't really like this new over simplified approach mobile devices are getting though. Sometimes it's worthwhile to include more than one button on a device and just because android devices have different hardware than apple ones doesn't mean it's bad or that android needs to conform.
These days people seem to be opting for the Apple route of form over function. Why stop with the trackpad? Get rid of the camera button or even the volume rocker and just have a device consisting of a backplate and glass screen. I'm sure people will think it's gorgeous without taking into consideration the huge loss of convenient functionality.
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Personally I like and use the trackpad quite a bit. It's perfect for adjusting typos and allowing for better cursor placement as well as coming in handy as a directional tool when using the terminal or ssh.
Plus having it light up in different colors a la the nexus one is a great way to provide notifications.
I don't really like this new over simplified approach mobile devices are getting though. Sometimes it's worthwhile to include more than one button on a device and just because android devices have different hardware than apple ones doesn't mean it's bad or that android needs to conform.
These days people seem to be opting for the Apple route of form over function. Why stop with the trackpad? Get rid of the camera button or even the volume rocker and just have a device consisting of a backplate and glass screen. I'm sure people will think it's gorgeous without taking into consideration the huge loss of convenient functionality.
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It isn't form over function, it is just that most "normal" people don't use it. They have probably stadium size amounts of people that do surveys that say they don't use it. Case in point, me. I do everything with my phone literally and I've never had to use the track pad. Gimme a mouse or a screen not an in between!
I hope so,seems like wasted space that could be a screen to me.
The trackpad on a smart phone reminds me of the damn nub they used to put on laptops, I hated that thing lol
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Personally I like and use the trackpad quite a bit. It's perfect for adjusting typos and allowing for better cursor placement
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Me too.
I'd be able to get along fine without the trackpad, if every screen keyboard (including 3rd party keyboards like Swype) had arrow keys (or the option to turn them off/on at your preference). Otherwise, trying to get accurate cursor placement for correcting typos by jabbing on the screen is enough to drive me crazy.
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killj0y said:
It isn't form over function, it is just that most "normal" people don't use it. They have probably stadium size amounts of people that do surveys that say they don't use it. Case in point, me. I do everything with my phone literally and I've never had to use the track pad.
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I'm not personally interested in what the masses of cattle want. While I believe that you do quite a bit with your phone (without a trackpad), most smartphone owners mostly use it to play Angry Birds and make poorly typed, one sentence status updates on Facebook, and not much more.
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Me too.
I'd be able to get along fine without the trackpad, if every screen keyboard (including 3rd party keyboards like Swype) had arrow keys (or the option to turn them off/on at your preference). Otherwise, trying to get accurate cursor placement for correcting typos by jabbing on the screen is enough to drive me crazy.
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I'm not personally interested in what the masses of cattle want. While I believe that you do quite a bit with your phone (without a trackpad), most smartphone owners mostly use it to play Angry Birds and make poorly typed, one sentence status updates on Facebook, and not much more.
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I'm pretty sure you were agreeing with me, but in either case lol, i was just pointing out that it costs less not to put in a trackpad, especially considering most people probably don't use it. I am not talking down those who do, it is similar to a physical keyboard, i do in fact use it, but there is probably far more people that don't care for one, especially if there is a possibility of it lowering costs.
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I'm pretty sure you were agreeing with me, but in either case lol, i was just pointing out that it costs less not to put in a trackpad, especially considering most people probably don't use it. I am not talking down those who do, it is similar to a physical keyboard, i do in fact use it, but there is probably far more people that don't care for one, especially if there is a possibility of it lowering costs.
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I understand completely what you mean as far as cost goes. Me personally I like having my track pad and I'd probably miss it if it weren't there. But with all the development for the g2 I dont think I'm going to get rid of this phone for a while
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I understand completely what you mean as far as cost goes. Me personally I like having my track pad and I'd probably miss it if it weren't there. But with all the development for the g2 I dont think I'm going to get rid of this phone for a while
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That goes double for me. I was wishing big with the new nexus, but no SD slot is a deal breaker for me boo...
Hey,
I am cool with the storage, no removable battery and HSPA+. But on screen button little bugging me lol. Don't you guys think it will used some screen space or you guys don't even bother with that space
Having a gnex, i'm pretty cool with them! Capacitave buttons is so 2010
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I begrudgingly accept the fate that is software buttons. I don't like them, but I'm not going to refuse to buy a great phone because of them.
I'm actually loving em in my nexus 7 so why not in a mobile phone? To be honest I wasn't too convinced by them at the beginning, but after some time I really like them
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As I said in another thread, if your device is rooted it's just a matter of adding a line to the build.prop file to get rid of them.
I use my GNex fullscreen, navigating with Virtual Button Bar, it's not free but works great. When I need the buttons I just pass my finger on top of proximity sensor and they appear! Totally customizable.
Someone says it's dangerous because you're screwed if the service stops... I never had a problem in six months using it this way.
Hardware buttons are below the screen, and to hold the phone with comfort, my thumb has to stretch downwards (a bit too far) causes fatigue mostly on large phones like the SG3. My hands aren't small but to support a phone and use it, it's a pain.
On screen buttons means the buttons are higher up so less strain.
imo.
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I begrudgingly accept the fate that is software buttons. I don't like them, but I'm not going to refuse to buy a great phone because of them.
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same here, the only problem is those on screen button. if they had to added those button, why not make the screen itself little bigger cause there was extra space on the bottom which empty and looks kinda ugly
I love the on screen buttons, check out the mods for them in the galaxy nexus forum. Customization is fun!
On screen or capacitive. Just not the physical home button like the s3. I think it messes with the fluidity of a device. Lightly touching the screen and capacitive buttons then having to firm up your grip to push the stupid home button. Such an inconvenience.... lol
Oh the crap we complain about....
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I love the software buttons, i even use them on my Sensation, i like that i can modifiy them, i like that they disappear while watching a vid and i love how the device looks while the screen is off, so damn clean.
-xLychee
Edit: They made the screen bigger, 0,1" and 1280*768 instead of 1280*720.
Didnt mind them on the galaxy nexus im sure they will be fine on this
I thought I was going to hate them before I had the G nexus, but now I would hate not having them. With AOKP (and others) you can change the order of the buttons and even add more. I have a menu and search button in addition to the regular ones on mine. You can even program more to quickly open apps or kill an app ect. It really is a huge improvement if you ask me.
For those that wish to have a full screen option, check out LMT Launcher. It totally made the gnex experience for me much better. It's an app that can be found on this forum. A video demonstration can be found on youtube as well.