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So many purchase problems, now I am thinking iphone

I have tried unsuccessfully to purchase a Wing twice now. Last night I made a bid on a third one, however so much time has passed since I have been trying to get one that I am now out of time. I lost my phone last week and need a new one by Wednesday. In order to get my phone I will have to overnight it for early arrival on Wednesday. The total cost now puts me close to 400 which is the neighborhood of an iphone. When the iphone first came out I swore it was the phone for me but I wasn’t going to spend 600 for it. They have dropped in price to 399 for the 8 gig phone. I am going to have to unlock the phone though for T-mobile service which scares me a bit. I kept pretty close tabs on the whole unlock the iphone saga when it was first being done and it seemed that there was a pretty high failure rate at that time. A quick check on eBay reveals that there are a plethora of unlocked iphones for sale which tells me that they have perfected the process. So now I am at a cross roads. I can get the iphone tomorrow from an Apple store or AT&T’s stores. The Wing will have to be sent overnight if I can convince the seller to drop everything and run down to a FedEx office. So given the pros and cons of the purchase I see a pretty close match. Maybe I should be looking at the phones themselves. The processor on the iphone is way more powerful and so is the storage space. The thing I don’t like about the iphone is that it’s a mac which means I may have issues getting software for it on the open market. Then again it’s a seriously popular device and people may be writing all sorts of tools and software for it. It doesn’t have a dedicated keyboard either which I liked about the wing. So given the choice, should I seriously stick with the Wing or should I make the switch to the iphone? Opinions count but I would like to hear some concrete facts about the differences if I am to make a logical decision. Thanks in advance.

Have you considered you can walk into a Tmobile Store and get a wing for $349?
You talk about walking into an Apple Store vs. having a Wing shipped to you.... and that seems to be the deciding factor on which phone you're going to get. If you walk into a Tmobile store, you can get a Wing for $350 plus tax .... and if you walk into an Apple store, you can get an iPhone for $399 plus tax.

actually I cant get the wing for 349. It's a real pisser and if that was true I would have done that a week ago. I lost my phone (V3 Razor) about a week ago. The first thought that came to mind was go to T-mobile and get a new phone. My second thought was to upgrade into something like the Wing. I didn't know it existed at the time, but I thought that it would be a nice iPhone substitute at 350 since I believed the iphone to be 600. As it turns out I am 10 months away from my contract ending with T-mobile. I am 8 months away from qualifying for any T-mobile phone rebates. The Wing is 499 retail with 100 instant rebate and 50 mail in all of which require 2 additional years of contract. T-mobile will not allow me to extend my contract until I am 2 months or less from my current contract expiration. So to that end and to your point, the phone is not 350 to me it is 499 to me. That is why I started my search on eBay. I thought then as I think now, I can get a better deal on the Wing through eBay. However, I had the damnedest luck on this particular auction. I bid and won my first auction about 5 days ago and have not heard 1 word from the seller regarding the close of the auction. I believe he died and luckily I hadn't sent him any money. Maybe someday I will hear from the guy but at this point he wont respond to any emails nor has he complained about me not paying for the auction. I decided to try again and won a second auction for 255 on the wing. Great deal I thought until I actually paid for the auction only to find out that he already sold the phone to another party as well as collecting payment from me too. Now I have to deal with that big pile of crap but I still need a phone. So here I am needing to win yet another auction for my wing or I can just go to an At&t store and pick up the iphone.

Tough decision to make, one that i considered also. A couple of things to note first is:
Longevity: Remember iphone 2.0 is already in the works and might drop by the end of next year. Also remember T-Mobile's 3g service should start seeing implementation beginning next year. So now the question is, how long are you planning on keeping this phone? Another thing to consider is resale value if you opt to get another phone next year. I would assume an iphone in great condition should have a higher resale value over time than the wing.
Specs: iPhone is more powerful than Wing and also has more storage, has a multitouch display that is larger and with higher resolution.
UI and OS: iPhone beats Wing hands down for STOCK UI and OS, athough it is an unfair advantage. Apple made OSX on the iPhone from the ground up. It only has one platform to work with whereas WM6 is created to be cross-platform and work for different SP, PPC, and PDA that all have different specs and components. Although the dev comm definitely did an outstanding job of making wm6 more user friendly, and with upgrades to wm6 like Shadows's UI and Android around the corner, we'll see how this develops.
Dev. Community: Apple is releasing a SDK for iPhone early next year, so you should start seeing software for iPhone given enough time. Wing has an established dev comm as you can see - xda (The best!), modaco, howardforums, and others.
Apple vs. Microsoft: Which is the lesser of two evils?
Warranty: unlock your iPhone and you just voided your warranty. At least with wing something happens to it, you should be able to have T-Mobile help you in some way. At least, i would think.
Personally, i'm happy with my Wing. It might be no iPhone, but then again no other is. It's the little device that could, and while there are more powerful phones on the market, it still holds it own. Plus i like the idea that i can abuse it more than the iPhone. I feel HTC makes quality phones and i can't wait to see if T-Mobile releases HTC Touch Cruise for its 3g service (please, please, please). Plus, it's not a F'ing Sidekick! lol.

Unless you are in dire need of a pda phone right now, i would buy a cheap phone for the time and wait until the next round of pda phones come out. Take a look at the ATT tilt, for instance, much more powerful than the wing and im sure we'll see a price drop pretty quick.

Have you considered this?
http://www.fatwallet.org/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=733578
This is where I bought my wing, when the price was $49 after rebate, now it's $79 with free bluetooth headphone. You do need to sign-up another one year contract (no activation fee, free 2-day shipping) with Tmobile though, but you can combine your twon lines to a family plan and save some $$.

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unless you are within 2 months of your current contract expiring, you can not renew your contract with tmobile. Your account must be 60 days to contract expiration before you can get any rebates or discounts applied to your phone. I have mentioned that twice so far. It's a very important tip to pass on and to keep in mind with your own upgrade decisions in the future. If I qualified for any sort of assistance I would have bought the wing long ago.
FYI..I ended up with 3 failed auctions for the wing. Very strange situatation to say the least. In the end I went with the iphone but I am starting to wonder if that was a wise choice considering all the trouble I have had with it over the last week. I attempted for 48 hours straight to hack the iphone for use on t-mobile service. Apple has released an update sometime last month that pretty much locks the phone down for the next couple of weeks or months. Someone will surely figure out a way around it but for now its damn near impossible. I decided to sign up with att service and only after a week of fooling with this phone did I finally get it working today. About 6 hours after finally getting the phone up and running did I discover that it doesnt have VOIP support. Now at first glance that might seem like a meaningless attribute but this was the primary reason for me starting this little adventure of phone upgrading. I am going to start a new thread because I have more to tell and need help in making a choice.

if you use your phone almost like laptop then you won't like the iPhone. You will for for a little while till the wow factor wares off. It's definately pretty and very nice with all its tricks but the simple things it cant do. Some 3rd party apps attempt to fix this but it doesnt work all too well.
You'll take things for granted such as browsing to a site to download something and email it as an attatchment to someone or yourself.

Should I get the HD now??

Should I get this lovely device now or wait for a while? my concern is the price!!!

yes as it is a good device.

wait to see new roms, now Diamond is better...or iphone

Well, waiting will bring the price low and also new ROM will be available but by that time newer devices will be available and you will impress no one.

I just ordered my from expansys. I was in the same position but I have read all of the reviews and played with it in the shop and I was really impressed. When I left the shop I wanted the phone more. Buy it either sim free or on contract which is what I did.

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Well, waiting will bring the price low and also new ROM will be available but by that time newer devices will be available and you will impress no one.
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I second every word of this

of course u should get it now.
i got mine last week and i ****in love it. there is no phone better
lol at the guy saying the iphone and the diamond are better. especially the iphone. haha
i got mine for $790 with free shipping on ebay from a guy in miami, fl
i paid $710 cuz i had a 10% discount

I think the price is basically quite low, so I wouldn't expect it to get much lower before long.
What makes me wait a bit is I got so disappointed buying the Touch Pro when it hits the stalls, that I prefer now to wait and see more comments and ROM' improvements before going for the Touch HD.

who cares if it doesn't turn heads... as long as it turns your head it will be fine. read around on what the phone can actually do and see if it still excites you. remember you get what you pay for... i love the phone so far. great screen and the fact that I can customize every little detail to my personal liking is a plus.

thank you everyone i will proceed with my order now

What Did You Go Through For The HD2?

On release day, March 24th 2009, I was forced to work late. Turns out, it didn't matter since the phones were sold out 4 hours after the official release.
The next batch that came through lasted longer, but I was having a financial crisis and put off grabbing one, thinking foolishly that the surge was over.
There are 19 T-Mo stores within 100 miles of my house and I am now on a first-name-basis with most of their clerks
Austin is not only home to Dell, SXSWi and hundreds of video game companies, but it is also home to millions of techies slobering over this new gadget.
Two days ago, I was going through my twice-daily ritual of contacting the stores in the area when, on my third store, I heard that they now had 15 in stock.
15?!? I thought that was a joke! I jumped into my car and drove 10 minutes to the store, walking in just ahead of three others. There were 4 phones left.
While purchasing the phone, several others came rushing in, sweaty and begging, but to no avail, the phones were gone. 24 of them between 1pm and 3pm. Those were the only HD2s sold in Austin this week.
I now have my phone and am guarding it like a lost treasure. I don't know what they are going for on eBay right now, but it breaks my heart to think of parting with it after suffering for so long to get it...

I was pretty lucky I guess. I walked in 10 minutes after T-Mobile opened on release day here in Los Angeles, and walked out with the phone 15 minutes later.
Looks like they underestimated the demand, or they are expecting a lot of returns, lol.

I got it the day they were released. The T-Mobile store was giving conflicting prices than what the a T-Mobile call center rep told me and my father on the phone (we both wanted the phone). Store refused to match the call centers prices. Our rep called the store while we were there and not only did we get the phone but they gave us a buy 1 get 1 free. We still had to renew our contracts but I didn't mind, you can't argue with a free phone. The call center rep said they were sorry of the inconvenience and made note on how we have been with t mobile for many years. Two HD2's for only $199.

xeebot said:
I was pretty lucky I guess. I walked in 10 minutes after T-Mobile opened on release day here in Los Angeles, and walked out with the phone 15 minutes later.
Looks like they underestimated the demand, or they are expecting a lot of returns, lol.
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The T-Mo reps on the phone told me that normally the company will set aside a few thousand of the new phones for the employees to purchase, but due to the demand, they've barred employees from purchasing the phone.
This sucks for employees, since they can't actually use the phone on a daily basis and be able to field questions from their customers, but it rocks for everyone else.
Can you imagine how pissed I would have been if I had found everyone at the stores carrying this phone but I couldn't have one? LOL!

In Denver
I went to the T-Mobile outlet @ about 2PM on the launch day. I thought nobody would want this phone as it has the 'Marked for death' OS.
I causally asked the rep, how the sales was. he said mine was the last one left, the I went to another shop to get the screen protector as these were out of it.
In the other shop, those guys were so surprised that I was able to get one so late in the day.
With WM7 around the corner I'm surprised this phone is selling this hot.
PS: At the look of it I hate the WM7 with the same disgust I reserve for the iPhones. And I got this because its the last hurray of a beautiful OS. My heart broke when they excluded US from HD launch, so this is like a dream come true. 4.3' capacitive screen with snapdragon. I'm pinching myself. But for the shear 'unique' feel I'll still keep my N900.

Talk about going threw hell to get this phone, I live in Alaska and we dont have T-mobile here so I had to use wirefly to order the phone on a new two year t-mobile contract using my old home Address in CT, and then have the phone sent to my brother (they wouldnt send the phone to a different state then the billing addy) for him to send to me here lol oh and had to sell my Tilt 2 to afford it and have been stuck with my old V3 razor till it gets here on Sat lol The things we do for our Toys lol

I drove 45 minutes to get mine 2 days before launch

HD2
Walked into one Tmobile store at 12:30pm, they were sold out.
Drove 10 miles to the other local Tmobile shop and they had 6 left.
Slapped down 450 dollars, smiled and walked out the door, HD2 in hand, it was like it was Christmas morning.
No regrets, no complaints.
fhaines

I went into a tmo affiliate store the day before to check out the Cliq. I never even considered the HD2. I looked at the screen, then saw it was winmo and spent about 30 minutes talking myself into it after I swore no more winmo phones. After watching about 10 minutes of transformers I was sold.
Biggest plus of winmo is desktop access to my phone via Soti and or mymobiler.
Biggest negative, no ipsecvpn with challenge response -:-( <--I didn't research that part, and a work colleague said they got their Eris working, this is my dealbreaker. Sucks I have to sell, I like everything else about it.

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Biggest plus of winmo is desktop access to my phone via Soti and or mymobiler.
Biggest negative, no ipsecvpn with challenge response -:-( <--I didn't research that part, and a work colleague said they got their Eris working, this is my dealbreaker. Sucks I have to sell, I like everything else about it.
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Wait, you're selling your HD2?

Oh Snap!!!
I talked myself into getting the phone on launch day, called all stores within 100miles from me, nothing all sold out (pretty pissed), as I walk into walmart I see they sell it, had 1 in stock and I bought it. Still smile everytime I take it out of my pocket. I got it for 148.88 yes!!!!

I didn't go through anything because not getting the phone isn't the end of the world.
So I ordered mine on the 25th and got put on a waiting list..No big deal...The phone was mailed and delivered to me 6 days later.

I had it 4 days before its public release.
All I did was; headed into my store when I received a call that the FedEx truck had arrived, unpackaged the shipment, grabbed my reserved unit... and left the store... went home and then slept for the rest of my day off.

Reignzone said:
I had it 4 days before its public release.
All I did was; headed into my store when I received a call that the FedEx truck had arrived, unpackaged the shipment, grabbed my reserved unit... and left the store... went home and then slept for the rest of my day off.
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LOL, you got lucky, 'cause just after that they canceled employee purchases

Snarksneeze said:
Wait, you're selling your HD2?
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I'm trying to trade for a N1 if possible, in marketplace and at work. At the same time I am trying all the different vpn's for winmo (trials) in what seems to be a vain attempt to get vpn working.

Ordered it online on Monday and received it on Thursday afternoon. Paid WAYYY less than T-Mobile. Was willing to pay the $149.00 through a AAA discount but when I called they said it was 199.00. Called a third party supplier and got it for 1/2 the 149 as a new 2 year activation. Was a little reluctant and was even thinking of cancelling with the third party because there seem to be a few bad reviews but I have 14 days return 30 day exchange.
Still can get the 14% off AAA discount off my bill and got the insurance which is now activated. Was a little hesitant but it was manufactured sealed and so far is physically flawless. Have the 3g connect problems everyone else seems to have. Had a SMT5600, 2125, TYTN, TYTN II Kaiser and a FUZE for a week (sold it for more than I paid for it once I saw the HD2). So far its a MAJOR improvement in build quality and usability. The only thing I wish it had was conversation record with RESCO or VITO.

bought it at 2am in the moring !!!
T-Mo online store was out of stock. Then a friend of mine called me up at 2:30 am at night on March 30th to say they are available. Bought the phone while half asleep, woke up next morning to see it was out of stock again

nabiladeeb said:
T-Mo online store was out of stock. Then a friend of mine called me up at 2:30 am at night on March 30th to say they are available. Bought the phone while half asleep, woke up next morning to see it was out of stock again
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Now THAT is HTC dedication!

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I'm trying to trade for a N1 if possible, in marketplace and at work. At the same time I am trying all the different vpn's for winmo (trials) in what seems to be a vain attempt to get vpn working.
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You shouldn't have any problems trading down like that. (Yes, I said trading down. I've played with the Nexus One and it is awesome, but this phone is lightspeeds beyond it IMHO)
So the IPSec/L2TP and PPTP settings won't work for you because you need a "challenge response"? I can't believe that no one has created a "fix" for this somewhere on these forums...

just sat down, ordered online through wirefly with 100 bing cashback.

Did you get yours??

LAUNCH DAY!!!
I have an appointment at Best Buy Mobile in 4 hours, I'm so excited cannot wait to be off work so I can run there!!
On one part I'm sad that I will be leaving Windows Mobile (Touch Pro2) but they're not coming out with a 1ghz CDMA Winmo phone so it's time to move on... I had tried android before on a G1 but went back to windows mobile after realizing you couldn't do much with it. Hopefully by now android is more winmo like with folder structures and complete control of files etc. Also will miss my $50/mo unlimited everything plan from boost(sprint).
Does Best Buy do 1-year contracts? I'd rather pay the $70 extra for the phone if I have the option of upgrading early.
POST YOUR DAY 1 EXPERIENCE!!

My cousin works at a store, so I got to cut the line of 15 peopel and be in and out with one.

I got mine this morning. Very satisfied so far, although I can't say I approve of Motorola's attitude towards rooting.

mine will be arriving to my doorsteps tomorrow morning/afternoon, didnt want that hassle of mail-in-rebate so i ordered online.

my appointment is at noon but my wifey is picking it up for me since she gets corporate discount. Woot!

Yes, I sure did
But I do have mixed feelings because of the root/bootloader situation
It's a very nice device, since I'm coming from the Omnia perhaps anything is better

Got mine at the mall kiosk.
Went to the verizon store after work and they were sold out. Then I went to the mall and got mine there.

I was number 15 to get mines. No preorder just walked in and added a line. Loving it so far also got the carbon fiber case, love those job discounts
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Went there an hour and a half before opening, got mine 4th.

got mine at 8:45 this morning. They even let me in the store a little early. I got the phone, some screen protectors, a case and the media dock. Everything i wanted. I am super happy.

How much is the media dock?

Satsified!
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How much is the media dock?
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The Media Dock is 49.99 the cable is 24.99 and the car dock is 24.99 as well. The gel case is 14.99 and so forth for the others.
I got mine today. Dropped my Evo and gave it to my sister, she was like uh, are you for real, your just giving it to me, , well i think a good deed leads to another in the future!
I love it so far, but, coming from Sense, it's really a diff ballgame. It has me loving the internal Social networks and all the resizing of the widgets and etc...
The pictures and video seem more vibrant than the Evo too. The colors and letters on the screen seem sharper. Hmm.. who'd thought, once again Motorola defies with only 54 Extra Pixels.
Only complain, wtf, with the speaker? Like it's a "Droid" they're known for that, even the Incredible still has a louder speaker, and dont let me get started with the power hous of an Evo.
Besides that, It has been well. This will suffice until the winter when the 2GHZ one arrives and the 12MP and all those goodies.

Ctia = boring

Wow, not really much going on for the 1st day imo. Nothing much on anything coming soon, like in the next few weeks.
I'm sitting on my atrix which is in its box on the fridge waiting to hear of something coming soon on att. Guess I will just return it and get my $ back.
I've been waiting for news on the sgs2 our the samsung infuse. Maybe tomorrow our wed hopefully.
What are your thoughts.
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I'm also really interested in hearing about the Samsung Galaxy S II and the Samsung Infuse. Hilariously enough, I went to an AT&T store to get a new SIM for my iPhone 4 so I could give it to my mom, and I asked an employee working there who had a little Samsung badge on his belt if he knew anything about the Infuse's release date. "Samsung Infuse? Never heard of it."

I was at CTIA today. HTC guy said they were going to announce a dual core phone today...Never heard about it. Suppose it's the Pyramid. The booth guy really didn't know very much.
Did go by the Motorola booth and jokingly complain about the Skype, Fake 4G, and other things. The guys just all grinned and blamed it on AT&T.
Galaxy S II no one at the booth would say anything about when it was coming to US.
Playstation phone was nice. Got to see an Arc (from an ericsson guys pocket) it was nice but kind of meh.
All in all I agree I have sore feet and not much else to show for my efforts.
If I had been feeling particularly malicious I would have connected my phone straight to a HDMI cord sans dock and showed the Moto guys what's been done to the phone, but I didn't.
I had the best time at the Nokia booth though. People were really friendly, and down to earth. Had a grea time chatting with a booth guy that was really knowledgeable and we both decided we hope the best comes out of the WP7 deal. I tried to get him to open up about a new "Meego" type phone but he just smiled.
Tomorrow is my last day to return the Atrix and I guess I'm keeping it.
See I had to pay full 535 for it and it just rankles me that I at times feel due to the various issues I'm not getting nor will get the full moneys worth.
Buyers remorse from too much time reading forums I guess.

Fountainhead931 said:
Tomorrow is my last day to return the Atrix and I guess I'm keeping it.
See I had to pay full 535 for it and it just rankles me that I at times feel due to the various issues I'm not getting nor will get the full moneys worth.
Buyers remorse from too much time reading forums I guess.
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Me too, same dilemma. I want a SGS II SO bad, but no idea when its being released is so off-putting. i can't wait around in limbo for 2, 3, 4 months. I paid full price for my Atrix as well and am contemplating returning it or not. I'll only get $495 of the $530 i paid though back ($35 re-stocking fee). Hoping CTIA would bring me a reason to take it back, but unfortunately nothing yet.

Well I rationalize that since. I love the phone even with all its flaws I'll enjoy it as is.
Work pays for my base phone bill & data plan so it's like getting the phone for free.
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