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XDA-developers get XDA II !

We got one! O2 sent us one of their demo models to test with. We figured they would have asked others if they were only interested in a superficial look, so we voided the warranty almost immediately. Here's our preliminary findings:
http://xda-developers.com/xda2
We take requests as for what to try next...

We got one! O2 sent us one of their demo models to test with.
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ooooo now that I do like the sounds of 8)
And here was me thinking O2 had no sense whatsoever... maybe I like this company after all :lol:
wtg O2 !!!
128mb eh? I think I know what I want from Santa LOL
wtg also to the developers... you have an official unofficial handset from O2 and officially they must have unofficially been reading your works :wink:
How unofficially official
:roll:
EDIT: I just had a thought... sorry to be the first to ***** :roll: but the SD slot at the top must make it more obvious? People might have the urge to fire it out the top (XDA has some firing range if done properly) or even worse....increase the chance of it getting pinched

nice pics...
Thank you... :wink:

Could you give some details on the connector?
Can I use my XDA cables and carkit?
As always: impressive stuff

About connections and accessories:
1- does it fit in the leathercase of the XDA I
2- does it fit in the craddle of the XDA I
3- does it fit with the charger of the XDA I
4- does it fit with the car charger of XDA I
5- is it the same stylus ? does the stylus of XDA I fit in the socket of XDA II ?
In other words, if we have extra accessories of the present XDA, can I use them with the new XDA II ?

Hi!
Concerning this part of the first review:
The other 16 MB of the disk-on-chip [...]
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Does that mean, that this part of the ROM is fully user-accessible (reading&writing)?
In that case it would be very easy to change an XDA II to an MDA II (software-wise) by simply copying the files in that arey from on to another?
Is that true?
Greetings,
Olli

X-Ray said:
Could you give some details on the connector?
Can I use my XDA cables and carkit?
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You can use any cable you have, but not the old cradle: the shape of the device is slightly different. I guess whether or not you can use your carkit depends on the form-factor.
The cradle that comes with it can charge a second battery (they are removeable now), and has a 2A power supply.

Nossie said:
I just had a thought... sorry to be the first to ***** :roll: but the SD slot at the top must make it more obvious? People might have the urge to fire it out the top (XDA has some firing range if done properly) or even worse....increase the chance of it getting pinched
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Yeah, these SD-card eject springs can be weapons-grade. But still the top is the only right place to have your wavelan or gps SDIO card stick out.

ojung said:
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this 16MByte disk gets mounted as '\Extended_ROM'.
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Does that mean, that this part of the ROM is fully user-accessible (reading&writing)?
In that case it would be very easy to change an XDA II to an MDA II (software-wise) by simply copying the files in that arey from on to another?
Is that true?
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Correct.
Something tells me that any XDA II follow-up to the kitchen will no longer mess with the tiny bit of space in the 32MB main ROM, but will focus on this extended ROM disk instead. The life of a tweaker will be nicer and easier on the XDA II.

XDA developer Peter Poelman said:
We got one! O2 sent us one of their demo models to test with. We figured they would have asked others if they were only interested in a superficial look, so we voided the warranty almost immediately. Here's our preliminary findings:
http://xda-developers.com/xda2
We take requests as for what to try next...
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Wonderful!! When will you be able to unlock it?
Thanx a lot for your work.

Tekflow said:
1- does it fit in the leathercase of the XDA I
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Yes. You can just barely still use the volume slider in the down direction. the camera button is not useable, but then the camera is covered by the back of the case anyway.
2- does it fit in the craddle of the XDA I
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No.
3- does it fit with the charger of the XDA I
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Yes. The charger that comes with it is 2A, but can also charge a second battery in the cradle.
4- does it fit with the car charger of XDA I
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Haven't tried, but see no reason why not.
5- is it the same stylus ? does the stylus of XDA I fit in the socket of XDA II ?
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No, XDA II stylus is much thinner and slightly longer

FDPM said:
Wonderful!! When will you be able to unlock it?
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The unit we got appears to be unlocked. It may well be that they finally discovered that SIMlocking is immoral.
If they do start selling SIMlocked units, we'll see what happens. We've thought of a few ways one could make it harder to unlock, and at least in theory they could make it hard enough to deter people like us.

XDA developer Peter Poelman said:
Correct.
Something tells me that any XDA II follow-up to the kitchen will no longer mess with the tiny bit of space in the 32MB main ROM, but will focus on this extended ROM disk instead. The life of a tweaker will be nicer and easier on the XDA II.
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Thanks!
So we just have to wait for many little tweaks by the o2-developers. Then we -the users- simply have to install those to the ROM disk and voila! Thanks to HTC for that great opportunity!
So: Hurry up and build some tweaks

Not such a intresting question but is the LCD the same size as the XDA as i have loads of screen protectors to fit the XDA, I know its brighter and better , but is it the same size
Thanks

one question think most of us would like to ask
can the XDA 2 use Jeff's Kitchen or Kalex's Kitchen?? would be great if its possible...love the IIWPO on it

applecom said:
Not such a intresting question but is the LCD the same size as the XDA as i have loads of screen protectors to fit the XDA.
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It is 1 millimeter wider and half a millimeter higher. (And this while the entire device is narrower because the screen edges are smaller. Vierwable area is the same.

david beckham said:
one question think most of us would like to ask
can the XDA 2 use Jeff's Kitchen or Kalex's Kitchen?? would be great if its possible...love the IIWPO on it
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Nothing stops you from putting this ROM in the kitchen. Structure is the same, and conventional mkrom-family tools work. Hoever, the whole rationale behind the kitchen becomes thinner when you have 32 MB flash-disk and 128 MB RAM to play with.

Of course never seen before :shock: :shock: :shock:
You are big guy

XDA developer Peter Poelman said:
Yeah, these SD-card eject springs can be weapons-grade. But still the top is the only right place to have your wavelan or gps SDIO card stick out.
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ahh yeah that does make sense, less interferience(sp?) I'd imagine..
oh well... beware of of low flying SD cards arf arf :twisted:

A question
I have a homemade carkit, with a connector with some functions like audio, microfoon,gps input/output and power.
is the connector pin layout still the same?
thank!

Have a look... ;)

It's a Taiwanese site,but am pretty sure u won't need to read..... :wink:
.................TONS OF UNIVERSAL PICTURES.............(to the smallest detail..)
RAGO :lol:

Nice, but whats up with these two holes?

those are speedholes, they make the car i mean phone go faster

Ha ha ha, year i remember.........the more holes you drill in your fender the faster it goes
We actually had a dude at school that did it.........wonder what kind of science he is working with nowadays *LOL*

bosjo said:
Nice, but whats up with these two holes?
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I think they are connectors for external antennas, one for WCDMA and one for GSM/GPRS.
http://www.clubimate.com/t-JASJAR_technical.aspx

Yep, your right.
Look also at this pdf @ page 7

Also i can se the posibility for the "all connect in one move" Car Craddle.
But I cannot describe how dissapointed I am that there is no Cradle bundled with this device

well personaly i've stop'd using my cradles for my xda2 since i got my silicone case i'll ruin it in no time if i choose to take it out of it every time i want to sync / charge
of cause with the universal being the way it is dont see such a silicone case being a problem like that....

bosjo said:
Yep, your right.
Look also at this pdf @ page 7
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Do you know where i can find the manual...? but in english...
thnx, M.

Motard69 said:
Do you know where i can find the manual...? but in english...
thnx, M.
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Sorry, can't help you there

HTC TyTN II

HTC Official Highres pics for the new HTC TyTN II
Source: All About Phones.nl

That's a Kaiser!

Nah... it's P4550
Mike

Nay, nay and thrice nay it's an 8925
Mike

Really gentlemen I think you'll find it is the Tilt
Mike

mikechannon said:
Really gentlemen I think you'll find it is the Tilt
Mike
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Which for us english speaking folk is a kiaser

austinsnyc said:
Which for us english speaking folk is a kiaser
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Oh alright then
Mike

austinsnyc said:
Which for us english speaking folk is a kiaser
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surely you mean a kaiser though?
:edit: btw is there a clock today screen thing for the tytn the same as the one in the pics? i really like it!
and why have they made the keyboard come out the other side? will there be 2 versions? hmmm... i like my nav button on the rh side...

Here it would be a TyTN II according to the first stories about it.
I want one!
Can't wait....but have to....

bigshape said:
surely you mean a kaiser though?
:edit: btw is there a clock today screen thing for the tytn the same as the one in the pics? i really like it!
and why have they made the keyboard come out the other side? will there be 2 versions? hmmm... i like my nav button on the rh side...
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There are loads of freeware clocks for the today screen. Many of them customisable. Here is just one example:
http://rotlaus-software.de/projects/rltoday
There is only one version with the keyboard sliding the oposite way from the TyTn
Mike

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... There is only one version with the keyboard sliding the oposite way from the TyTn
Mike
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Damn it ... I am a leftie ... oh well, still looking forward to upgrading to the Kaiser aka Vario 3

mikechannon said:
There are loads of freeware clocks for the today screen. Many of them customisable. Here is just one example:
http://rotlaus-software.de/projects/rltoday
There is only one version with the keyboard sliding the oposite way from the TyTn
Mike
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yeah i know there are similar clocks available but i was wondering if there was one the same as that one that anyone knew of

bigshape said:
yeah i know there are similar clocks available but i was wondering if there was one the same as that one that anyone knew of
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The clock I have on my Vario 2 is virtually identical. I have a piece of software on my phone called Phonealarm clicky (which isn't freeware but it is a great program and worth buying .. or at least I found it worth buying) and you can apply various today skins, one of which is a replica of the clock you want.

Hmmmmm... thinks I have been to porn sites and is going to clean my computer for me... and for free!
Well I really believe it will, so I am going to install the activeX component.
People are so helpfull in this place called the internet.

Nicky said:
The clock I have on my Vario 2 is virtually identical. I have a piece of software on my phone called Phonealarm clicky (which isn't freeware but it is a great program and worth buying .. or at least I found it worth buying) and you can apply various today skins, one of which is a replica of the clock you want.
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ah nice! thanks dude!

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ah nice! thanks dude!
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No problem, if you decide to go ahead and get the software (you can do a free trial for a bit to see if you like it), the skin you want for that clock is here clicky

the clock is available via the kaiser home plugin. this pic is from mobile planet if i remember correctly

change housing(Hermes)

Here it is service manual to open/change tytn housing and display....

Good call!

Wow, great finding...This would come in handy! Thanks

Good stuff

Excellent!! great Find!!

Thank you.
One question:
People looking this thread should know.
8525 and other Herm100 and/orHerms200 have same mainboard.
8525 has only empty socket for webcam or has different mainboard without any webcam socket?
I plan to have a cingular 8525 and do all roms suitable for 8525 or will I need to find specific 8525 roms.

By the way the housing is pretty easy to change on the Hermes, it only took me about 30 minutes to dismantle and re-assemble mine.
Just be careful not to damage the ribbons inside.

Thanks for uploading this. I really need it.

Houseless
Hi, does anyone know where i can get a new housing for the 8525? Mine cracked during a fight with the X. I shouldnt have ducked.

Cobra75007 said:
Hi, does anyone know where i can get a new housing for the 8525? Mine cracked during a fight with the X. I shouldnt have ducked.
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Try http://www.gsm4world.us/shop/cingular-8525-8525-c-210_276.html

u2pop said:
Wow, great finding...This would come in handy! Thanks
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Sometimes I wonder if folk read the Hermes Wiki! The service manual, dismantling guides and even a dismantling video have been linked there for a looooong time. See near the bottom of the page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Mike
By the way - moving this to Hermes General forum as changing the housing is not an "upgrading" matter.

thetruejay20 said:
Try http://www.gsm4world.us/shop/cingular-8525-8525-c-210_276.html
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Wow that's pricey. There's not even any electronics included, it's all plastic!!!! I'll deal with a few scratches on my case, thank you very much.

Telus screen?!

I have a telus htc vogue with a broken screen, anyone know where I might find one? Out of pure boredom i would like to get it working.

Unfortunately they don't seem to have parts lying around for this device these days. A peek through craigslist showed that there are used htc touch's out there anywhere from $40-100 depending on the condition. Because the screen is one of those unwarrantied things that likely are expensive to repair/replace, I'm guessing it's almost better to replace?

jamezelle said:
I have a telus htc vogue with a broken screen, anyone know where I might find one? Out of pure boredom i would like to get it working.
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Hey jamezelle,
I have a Vogue with a broken power button (in the main board) laying around. If you just need the screen, I can sell it to you for like $10 + shipping. The device works great otherwise, I just haven't got the time to fix this thing...

egzthunder1 said:
Hey jamezelle,
I have a Vogue with a broken power button (in the main board) laying around. If you just need the screen, I can sell it to you for like $10 + shipping. The device works great otherwise, I just haven't got the time to fix this thing...
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what brand is it??

jamezelle said:
what brand is it??
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Verizon branded, but the device should be the same, right? I don't believe that the different branding calls for different screens... (could be wrong on this one).

egzthunder1 said:
Verizon branded, but the device should be the same, right? I don't believe that the different branding calls for different screens... (could be wrong on this one).
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no they don't use a different screen.

mikurej95 said:
no they don't use a different screen.
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Drivers are different, it seems...

Really?? Im planning on buying one, and as far as I can tell, they're the same . Never listed any specific requirements to use it. Maybe one of the drivers work better then the other, but the screen is still the same...

mikurej95 said:
Really?? Im planning on buying one, and as far as I can tell, they're the same . Never listed any specific requirements to use it. Maybe one of the drivers work better then the other, but the screen is still the same...
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That's what I thought but jamezelle says that he had already tried it and the drivers don't match...

mikurej95 said:
Really?? Im planning on buying one, and as far as I can tell, they're the same . Never listed any specific requirements to use it. Maybe one of the drivers work better then the other, but the screen is still the same...
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there are three different screen manufactures for the vogue screen meaning different drivers. i don't remember the manufacturers names off hand, but i know dzo's android kernel auto detects which screen you have and then uses the appropriate driver.
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That's what I thought but jamezelle says that he had already tried it and the drivers don't match...
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im still looking into if a new power button can be resoldered on and how hard that would be.

jamezelle said:
there are three different screen manufactures for the vogue screen meaning different drivers. i don't remember the manufacturers names off hand, but i know dzo's android kernel auto detects which screen you have and then uses the appropriate driver.
im still looking into if a new power button can be resoldered on and how hard that would be.
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okay, thanks for the info, and its a good thing i have android
and if you need a guide to dismantle, here is a pdf (english) http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNH7enoc8fxNeBdWUnuJPkGrRcEMAQ&cad=rja

mikurej95 said:
okay, thanks for the info, and its a good thing i have android
and if you need a guide to dismantle, here is a pdf (english) http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNH7enoc8fxNeBdWUnuJPkGrRcEMAQ&cad=rja
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I have already dissasembled 2 vogues, but thanks for the how to and the time it took you to find it (i will probably use it because i dont remember how to step by step )