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I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new stormhas somuch to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
But the BB Storm has no wifi, no flash support, no tabbed browsing. Those are deal breakers right there....and also only 192MB of RAM, nuff said.
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I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new storm has so much to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
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Decision is yours obviously, so I am not trying to talk you out of it, but you are trying to compare apples and applesauce. The Titan is an apple that can be customized to be everything from apple juice to an apple pie. The storm will only ever be applesauce. Sure it looks more refined but it has no customization ability and cant really be improved. Good luck in your decision, but I would never have a crackberry, especially with a Touch pro in my hand.
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Decision is yours obviously, so I am not trying to talk you out of it, but you are trying to compare apples and applesauce. The Titan is an apple that can be customized to be everything from apple juice to an apple pie. The storm will only ever be applesauce. Sure it looks more refined but it has no customization ability and cant really be improved. Good luck in your decision, but I would never have a crackberry, especially with a Touch pro in my hand.
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Applesauce. Nice!
Feel free to try it out.
and you cannot sync email. Like with an exchange server. They only go via blackberry. I would also recomend against it. Go with the HTC Touch Pro/Diamond. Or something else like that. Or iPhone with AT&T. Blackberry is only if your work requires it.
I do tell all of my frinds that are less technically skilled that they are probably better of with a BB.
That way I can continue to dazzle them.
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I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new stormhas somuch to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
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you have a bad phone obviously, or having user-specific issue, and going to giv eup on windows mobile? lol....my 6800 works flawlessly everyday, with data and calls. I have everything I could possibly want on a 4gb card, I run my multi-messenger client (agile) all day pretty much, constatly IMing people, even while I am driving (probably not safe, but still cool), am able to browse the net, play games, I get a GPS fix with TomTom 7 in 30 seconds or less, etc...I mean the only thing my 6800 doesn't do, is wash my clothes for me, lol. Plus, it runs fast, and no memory problems.
Plus, all your email has to go through a blackberry email, so everything is relayed, and not truly using your email server...Blackberry server basically have a copy of every single email communication u make now...not only is that unsecure, but totally worthless...my 6800 on Windows Mobile connected DIRECTLY to my mail server, no intermediary email account neccesary.
Technically ignorant
I would also have to agree with worwig. We should not try to talk people out of buying devices like blackberry and the iphone because there is no point in hooking them up with a windows mobile device because they will never be able to tap into its potential. You guys have to remember in here we are the select few. Most people are retarded and look at devices like our titans and go, "oh this is definitely no iphone." And they will never understand why intellectual people will never go for devices such as these. Just let them live in their cloud of ignorance and let us live in clarity.
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I would also have to agree with worwig. We should not try to talk people out of buying devices like blackberry and the iphone because there is no point in hooking them up with a windows mobile device because they will never be able to tap into its potential. You guys have to remember in here we are the select few. Most people are retarded and look at devices like our titans and go, "oh this is definitely no iphone." And they will never understand why intellectual people will never go for devices such as these. Just let them live in their cloud of ignorance and let us live in clarity.
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Yeah, I was shaking my head for weeks when the iPhone was first announced. People were like "Wow, look at all the new features Apple invented." the first few times I showed them my WM phone, and they were like...That's old, the iPhone is all new! I said "Yeah the case is now and interface, but not the technology" They would say "Yeah, but you can make calls, browse the net, text and use GPS all from the same device" - to which I responded "I can do all those things, plus I don't have to pay for GPS, and I have Word, Excel, unlimited email, IR beam, internet sharing, ettc etc...."
Yeah, u just can't convince them. They have blinders on thinking Apple saved the world, when all it did was put old technology into a shinny wrapper.
People are like flies roaming neighboorhoods at night, and Apple is a big pretty neon Bug Zapper.
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People are like flies roaming neighboorhoods at night, and Apple is a big pretty neon Bug Zapper.
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I was thinking flies and a cow field.
But seriously, I found that I can do a huge amount of work on my WinMo phone. But some of it falls outside the built in functions, and there are few people that I know that I would even think about trying to get to do the non-standard setup. But on the other hand, I like the large amoutn of customization.
I mean, on my desktop today screen, I have the temperature AT MY HOUSE from my personal weather station and a constantly updated webcam picture of my driveway. I know how to do that on WinMo, but anything else? And more then once I have shared my connection using WMWiFiRouter. A lot of people couldn't set that up.
Not that I'm asking for help about the sluggishness, it's just that the G1 is just overall way more sluggish than my friends iPhone 3G. As in web pages load WAY faster (Wifi on both devices being used). The UI is way more snappy.
And I understand the trade offs I'd get with an iPhone. No true multitasking or alerts from apps (like twitter email etc. . .) No Gmail push (I think) no Google Cal sync over the air, or contact sync OTA. All these things are great, but I dunno, I think I'm going to crossover into iPhone land soon. The G1 just became a let down for me after using it closely for about 6 months. And using other peoples iPhones on and off.
This is just a rant. And mostly I'm talking about browser load speeds and UI. It would be nice if Google maps oriented the direction we're facing since it has a compass. But the new update is moving in the right direction. Love the walking directions. But I think I'm gonna move on to 1 app at a time, Draconian app approval, HYPE land, release 5 HW revisions before making a new product, iPhone land.
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments. I'm using Google Ion ROM also.
Heh, and the iPhone 3GS supposed to be even faster!
You're pretty much begging for a flame by asking that in here.
It's all down to personal choice and preference. Your thread isn't about your 'sluggish G1'; You're asking us to convince you why you need a G1.
Nobody cares that you no longer want a G1. But don't make a new thread masquerading as a plea for help that is really about:
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments.
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i hope you enjoy your seemingly faster (much more expensive, much less useful) iphone.
my personal experience has been different, but you seem like the kind of person who wouldn't be convinced even with hard evidence.
Alright. Well. I don't benchmark or use "hard evidence" tests, I just go off the feel of things. Of course I know the iPhone is locking you into a Lot of things. But a jailbroken iPhone 3G / 3G S will be more fun app / mobile safari. And as far as a reason for keep the G1 I'm not looking for a reason. I've rooted the phone, used apps2sd 2 with an ext3 partition. Made sure data/data is in intmem etc. . . The Rom dev is great, but an iPhone is like having an SL500. Of course more gas, higher maintenance cost. G1 is like having a nice truck that's a hybrid. It just doesn't feel as sexy. It can do Way more, but its a truck.
I'm cool with hearing other reasons why the G1 isn't sluggish etc. I'll listen, but I was just posting this out of my frustration of a slower browser and slower UI. I don't really know what the flame talk was about or me covering up intentions. These are just phones. But I think a jailbroken iPhone 3G beats out a rooted G1. Plus I'm not trying to ssh into my linux server with debian installed over hero.
Anyway, its just a conversation I wanted to spark with people who understand what I'm talking about. Not to mention the apps are a big plus too. And don't get me wrong, the g1 is good for the things it was built to address. The iPhone will just be more fun.
do you have all the newest and update firmware and radio installed?
your title is misleading.
also, only way to find out which one is better......... go and get both and use both and decided from there
I'm pretty sure I have the newest firmware. Haykuro's that was causing bricks on non PVT boards. I was using JF 1.51 ADP. I moved to cyanogen mod of JF. I moved on to hero, then google Ion rom. Oh and the sapphire rom. Ion rom was fastest, but iPhone's overall fell and touch is simply night and day. So is the browser. Steel was great before cupcake but it closes so much now its not even useable.
Oh yeah, radio is up to date too, hence the non bricked phone. Nevermind no 3G here in our area. I just want to hear others opinions before I drop 300 / plus a deposit for bad credit / and charging me for txt msg! But I'll have more apps.
The g1 does seem to get sluggish over time. I would try a wipe. That should restore the speed of the phone.
However, there's no getting around the performance of the iphone as it supports 2d hardware acceleration. The g1 and android only does software rendering so its never going to be faster than the iphone until the google devs start supporting 2d hardware acceleration (g1 has a graphics chip so it should be possible).
I personally don't find the g1 very sluggish. Maybe its sluggish compared to the iphone (I don't know as I don't have one to compare with), but on its own, the g1's UI is quite snappy (i'm running cyanogen ROM).
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Not that I'm asking for help about the sluggishness, it's just that the G1 is just overall way more sluggish than my friends iPhone 3G. As in web pages load WAY faster (Wifi on both devices being used). The UI is way more snappy.
Do you have a lot widgets running or background tasks? All those take up memory and cpu cycles which will end up slowing down the phone a lot.
And I understand the trade offs I'd get with an iPhone. No true multitasking or alerts from apps (like twitter email etc. . .) No Gmail push (I think) no Google Cal sync over the air, or contact sync OTA. All these things are great, but I dunno, I think I'm going to crossover into iPhone land soon. The G1 just became a let down for me after using it closely for about 6 months. And using other peoples iPhones on and off.
This is just a rant. And mostly I'm talking about browser load speeds and UI. It would be nice if Google maps oriented the direction we're facing since it has a compass. But the new update is moving in the right direction. Love the walking directions. But I think I'm gonna move on to 1 app at a time, Draconian app approval, HYPE land, release 5 HW revisions before making a new product, iPhone land.
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments. I'm using Google Ion ROM also.
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Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
Do you find the G1 UI significantly more sluggish than the iphone?
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Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
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Do you find the G1 UI significantly more sluggish than the iphone?
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If i were to rate UIs of phones (based ONLY on smoothness) i would give the iphone an 9/10 and the G1 a 8/10.
The thing is... actually the difference mostly comes from the touchscreen sensitivity. There are two bad things about the G1 here:
SPOILER ALERT: After reading you might notice new bad things about your G1...
1. Try touching the screen with a small part of your finger (the very tip) and you'll see it won't register. This happens more in real life than you would think...
2. Try opening the notification bar SLOWLY and you'll see it shakes as you move your finger. If you stop mid-way it will shake most of the time... Actually any list will shake if you drag it and then stop... kinda cheap.
3. The sides of the screen in portrait have a "snap" zone. Try moving an icon to one side, and it will stop folowing your finger at a moment, then it will snap to the border. (On my phone this only happens on the right side. On the left side it's worse. I CAN'T register touch on the edge there. It's a nightmare to move an icon to a screen to the left.).
I knew HTC was bad news when i dug deeper into my Kaiser.
So.. G1 actually 7/10... Android on a good phone 8-8.5/10.
Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .
dwang said:
The g1 does seem to get sluggish over time. I would try a wipe. That should restore the speed of the phone.
However, there's no getting around the performance of the iphone as it supports 2d hardware acceleration. The g1 and android only does software rendering so its never going to be faster than the iphone until the google devs start supporting 2d hardware acceleration (g1 has a graphics chip so it should be possible).
I personally don't find the g1 very sluggish. Maybe its sluggish compared to the iphone (I don't know as I don't have one to compare with), but on its own, the g1's UI is quite snappy (i'm running cyanogen ROM).
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You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.
Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
RPG0 said:
Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
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The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
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Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .
You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.
Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
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See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
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The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
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larrygates said:
See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
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Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone, just go for it.
Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.
Hey thanks for the civil post. The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.
About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
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Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone, just go for it.
Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.
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Bah. This is only personal preference nonsense. Go get the iphone if ur tired of the g1.
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Hey thanks for the civil post.
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Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.
The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.
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All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.
About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
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Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.
The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever...
One thing I want to mention regarding sluggishness is if u are running one of those third party home apps like dxtop or ahome, I would try uninstalling those and see if your sluggishness goes away. Also, badly written widgets can cause slowdowns as well. The g1 isn't as fast as the 3g but it really isn't that slow. Especially if u are running ion at 528mhz or cyanogens rom.
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Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.
All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.
Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.
The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever...
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Out of curiosity, how is SMS the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever?
Also, a friend of mine has a 3.0 beta developer firmware of the iPhone which allows multitasking. I myself found a cheap 4gb iPhone on Craigslist and am planning to unlock it for (most likely) a backup phone or business phone, when I've seen both phones and compared for about a week I'll post my findings here.
I was noticing the same sluggishness and such with the G1. You have to remember that, if you're like most users on the forum here, you -are- using an unsupported version of the phone, and it's not working how it's supposed to and how the provider intended for it to be used. Someone else mentioned this, but third-party apps also contribute to that. Depending on what you use, some apps could constantly be taking up extra memory and make your use of the G1 more of a chore, because of the time it takes to open up even a browser.
Anyway, to OP: You could just do what I did. Instead of spending $300 on a new iPhone that you have to dump out another extra $x-amount for new service at AT&Suck, why not just buy a used one on Craigslist or eBay and unlock it? Then you can use it with your current T-Mobile service and not have a lot of extra loss. You don't even need to get rid of your G1, just use one or the other as a backup or something.
I just got an email from Google saying that I qualify to get a Verizon Droid or Nexus One for having an app with over 5,000 active downloads from the market (which I do) for free through their seeding program.
Has anyone else received this and can vouch for the truthfulness of the offer?
Thanks!
Diceman4 said:
I just got an email from Google saying that I qualify to get a Verizon Droid or Nexus One for having an app with over 5,000 active downloads from the market (which I do) for free through their seeding program.
Has anyone else received this and can vouch for the truthfulness of the offer?
Thanks!
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http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/49da01a3cb7f8803?pli=1
Quite a few news outlets reporting the same as well (5k+ dls and 3.5+ stars apps)
Congrats man! I'd be super stoked if I were you... get the Nexus One!
If you read through all 80+ messages in that thread, people from Google do confirm it is NOT fake.
Congrats!
Wow, that's damn nice of Google, especially since the requirements seem very reasonable (5000 downloads, 3.5 rating).
I don't think you get to pick which device you get, however.
I received it too. IT'S SO NICE! THANKS GOOGLE! I'm in EU so I'll get a nexus one for sure =)
I got the email as well. I couldn't go to the Google event in London where they gave out free phones, so this is a nice surprise
Congratz guys! Yes I've read bout that too, and its great of Google to appreciate your hard work.
So tell us what apps you guys made so we can try em out.
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Congrats man! I'd be super stoked if I were you... get the Nexus One!
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Correction... if you're dev'ing games, then get the Droid. Seems the N1's touchscreen isn't as advanced when it comes to MT.
Becoming an android developer is slowly a no brainer.
Google gives you an updated device every chance they get.
So that you can develop next gen apps at their expense.
Seriously why people are still stuck developing on the iphone and not making a transition to android is beyond me.
Im sure they can dual program java and OBJ-C (objective languages)
Thats cool i hope next year i can attand a few google events or mayybe have an app in the store.
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Becoming an android developer is slowly a no brainer.
Google gives you an updated device every chance they get.
So that you can develop next gen apps at their expense.
Seriously why people are still stuck developing on the iphone and not making a transition to android is beyond me.
Im sure they can dual program java and OBJ-C (objective languages)
Thats cool i hope next year i can attand a few google events or mayybe have an app in the store.
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Just wanted to say whats up GnOve!!!
GNOve said:
Seriously why people are still stuck developing on the iphone and not making a transition to android is beyond me.
Im sure they can dual program java and OBJ-C (objective languages)
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Technically, I guess they can. But Apple's not about technic, it's about religion. ("Google wants your data, but Apple wants your soul")
Now, seriously. I really think Apple often polarizes with its easy to use but very homogene and restricted concept. So a lot of Apple users/developers wouldn't touch a non-Apple device (aka "blatant rippoffs") with a stick, while a lot of Android users/developers despise Apple's restrictions (and costs).
Of course most professional software companies prefer money over religios wars, but lots of apps are from hobby developers.
Besides, the differences in development aren't defined by the language's syntax but the used frameworks and APIs. Even though they're "object oriented", there are worlds between VC++/MFC, VC++/SDK, C#/.NET, Java/Swing, Java/Struts(Cx), Java/JSF, Android, and Objective C. Dialogs/forms are created differently, user interaction is handled differently, frontend/backend separation works differently, there are "specials" like MS' "device contexts", different XML files and annotations for Java frameworks, or Android's "Intents", etc.
Anyone found any updates/information about this?
I'd love to get a mail with a "we've confirmed your registration, you'll recieve a device between X and X" or something like that.
Absolutely cool.
Guess I need to start developing for android.
Now to figure out the next big thing and to learn a language that results in an app.. Hell, I've learned 12 different programming languages, whats one more. LOL.
Official FAQ.
http://sites.google.com/site/developermarketandroidgiveaway/faq
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Official FAQ.
http://sites.google.com/site/developermarketandroidgiveaway/faq
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Thanks a lot, dont know how I missed that!
Wow, this truly is amazing. I don't have enough downloads on my two apps but I do have the ratings. Oh well. I need to write apps that will be more widely used.
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Anyone found any updates/information about this?
I'd love to get a mail with a "we've confirmed your registration, you'll recieve a device between X and X" or something like that.
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I just received this email a few minutes ago
Code:
Dear Guy,
We’ve received your information for the Android Market Device Seeding Program and have successfully validated the Google Order Number from your developer account.
Your information will now be sent to our shipping partner for order processing. Just to confirm, the information we received from you was:
Guy Mobile
"PERSONAL INFO"
"EMAIL
"PHONE"
If you need to make any changes to your information above, please contact us at [email protected] as soon as possible. Otherwise, you should receive your phone in 2-4 weeks!
On behalf of the Android team,
Thanks, and happy coding!
Google, Inc.
1600 Amphitheater Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043
I just received that email too! Yesssss
At the risk of being attacked for being a total noob, I must say this.
<rant>
I have an ipad.
I have an iphone 3gs. Apple won't let me tether the iphone 3gs to my ipad, because they are evil and greedy (for no other reason).
And because they are evil and greedy, I've chosen to buy another phone (htc desire) that I was told would wifi tether because it was running the latest version of android bla bla bla. You get the picture.
I should have done my home work. Turns out, I have to root the phone? Which could brick it, and cause a nightmare of issues. Also, the wifi tether doesn't actually work properly. You have to manually assign an ip address and can only use WEP. Bah!
HTC doesn't even support syncing the phone to a MAC. You can tell they are really interested in gaining market share (not).
Am I the only person who just wants this phone to tether to an iPad and do the other normal phone things with no hassle? I'm all for advancing technology by way of bricking your expensive phones etc. But sometimes things should 'just work' *laughs at self for saying something so apple'esque*
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Just plug it up with the USB... the Desire has built in tethering capabilities.
Nope.
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Just plug it up with the USB... the Desire has built in tethering capabilities.
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With a macbook, no it doesn't.
With an iPad. Definitely not.
wtf
p.s. This isn't a Theme and App topic, so to the mod who moved it. wtf?
This is about android development for the HTC Desire.
Blame Steve Jobs for that. He does not allow it.
This is not Android issue.
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With a macbook, no it doesn't.
With an iPad. Definitely not.
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Blame Steve Jobs for that. He does not allow it.
This is not Android issue.
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I know it's not an Android issue, but android exists to offer alternatives to Steve Jobs and apples monarchy. So I was hoping somebody would figure out a way successfully create a wifi tether application that works without rooting and potentially bricking the htc desire. Maybe the android people at google could make this an out of the box feature, to cut into apple's market share.
Well, if tethering is disabled on apple devices, then it's probably not going to work (for very long at least) even with a root or a new feature.
When your phone creates a wifi network, how would the apple device know what it is? If you ensure your wifi network is a standard protocol, the mac, iPad whatever can't tell. It just connects, provided the phone does the wifi part properly.
iPhone developers created myWi, works with no issues at all. Costs $10 bucks.
I'd pay $20 bucks for a working version on the HTC Desire.
wifi tether work after rooting.. install "wifi tether", you can find it in android market..
then read this guide:
1) started wifi tether on desire
2) connect iPad (or any other device) to desire wifi network
3) set ip static on iPad (or any other device):
IP address 192.168.2.100
subnet mask 255.255.255.255
gateway 192.168.2.254
dns 192.168.2.254
4) ping with terminal emulator command :
ping 192.168.2.100
5) killed ping
6) goto safari (or any other internet browser) and surf on web .....
100% working
Yeah,
I get that you can get it working, and I appreciate your tips.
However the point remains, that as a consumer, and purchaser of a phone that is meant to compete with the iphone. I should not have to root my htc desire, and screw around with ip addresses and subnet masks, just to get this phone to do something my iphone can do.
Get it?
Your iPhone can't do it though. If it could you wouldn't be ranting in here, would you?
If you are unhappy with having to actually do something that requires very, very little effort then I suggest you stick to Apple products.
Both apple & HTC disable these options for many reasons. At least you can by pass this block in your HTC via rooting. Just follow all the great advice from these forums and you'llbe safe. And if you brick your phone it sounds like you can afford a replacement as you already have a iphone, ipad, htc, etc
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Your iPhone can't do it though. If it could you wouldn't be ranting in here, would you?
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My iphone CAN do it. It's called mywi. I explained this in the first post.
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If you are unhappy with having to actually do something that requires very, very little effort then I suggest you stick to Apple products.
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I'm unhappy that HTC doesn't make the phone sync with a MAC by default. I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do. I'm also unhappy that to do it on a HTC Desire requires additional steps which include ****ing around with ip address's and subnet masks.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
I'm unhappy that HTC doesn't make the phone sync with a MAC by default. I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
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I agree that the things you stated would be sweet to have. I've rooted my Desire just to tether and to run Apps from SD. However, WiFi tethering still isn't hassle free. Sure I'll use it if I really have to, but at this point it certainly isn't something.to show off to people. Symbian phones can do it without hacking, using Joikuspot app (currently $5). Come to think of it, doesn't the Palm Pre also offer WiFi tether out of the box?
I've had the Desire for 2 weeks now, I kind of like it, but find that Android isn't really much more open than iPhone OS. On a jailbroken iPhone, I can do pretty much everything, I can on my rooted Desire, except for the obvious things as is LED flash and Flash Lite in the browser. None of which are really great.
About syncing with your Mac, comming from an Apple only set up I had the same issues. I suggest you try googling for SyncMate and you probably already know DoubleTwist for syncing media.
As last word of advice, keep your iPhone, I sure will mine.
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I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do. I'm also unhappy that to do it on a HTC Desire requires additional steps which include ****ing around with ip address's and subnet masks.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
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You're unhappy about this, you're unhappy about that. You can be unhappy as much as you want but that's how it's working right now. I know that it's a hassle using Wi-Fi tether on the desire right now. But it'll get better. You can't just say "Make it so" and expect it'll be done. The guys on this forum are trying the best they can. You don't like it there are alternatives.
And as you said in the first post, you would have known all these issues if you informed yourself better before purchasing the phone, and not complain that this is somehow a problem that android or the devs here created.
You are wrong and sound stupid. Wifi tethering is not free nor is it an option so if you want it you have to root your phone. Why should wifi tethering be free? Not to mention the palm pre plus and palm pre pixie come with the app from Verizon, the sprint versions do not. The evo comes with sprint hotspots. If you don't have a hot spot app blame your carrier not android moron.
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Your iPhone can't do it though. If it could you wouldn't be ranting in here, would you?
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My iphone CAN do it. It's called mywi. I explained this in the first post.
If you are unhappy with having to actually do something that requires very, very little effort then I suggest you stick to Apple products.
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I'm unhappy that HTC doesn't make the phone sync with a MAC by default. I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do. I'm also unhappy that to do it on a HTC Desire requires additional steps which include ****ing around with ip address's and subnet masks.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
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If ya can't be bothered why bother getting one in the first place. And people come here for help with rooting and ROM s that's what the whole sites about.
If you not rooting or have questions rooting related then ask on a forum for USERS not devs.
Sooo glad I never went an got a iPad poo. Even better the HP tablets out soon.
An if your out with it ipoo just sit in McDonald's and get free WiFi or just buy a WiFi router..........
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If you don't have a hot spot app blame your carrier not android moron.
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Well it doesn't have anything to do with the carrier if one's not living in the US. I can tether my phone as much as I want. In Europe we pay for data volume not for the way we use it. Sadly the US trends seem to be spreading to the EU more and more, so maybe one day our freedom of consuming mobile data will end also.
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Sounds like you should have just bought an old 2nd hand crappy winmo 6.1 device and used the wifi tether on that with the sim out your iPhone.
You people are ****ing nuts. (Excluding the nice mac user who wrote some nice things about his experience)
If we could go back a few hundred years, you'd be the kind of people trying to convince yourselves and others, that the african american slaves should be happy with what they've got, and that the right to vote and full pay is pie in the sky and shouldn't be free.
If HTC and android figured out a way to make wifi tether come out of the box, do you think HTC phones sales would drop? or increase?
If HTC offered supported software to tether and sync their phones to macs, do you think their phone sales would drop? or increase?
I'm not asking for something that is impossible or expensive. It is not included out of pure laziness. It's not included because you're happy with what little you get for free from the hard working developers in this community who are working on it, because there is no alternative.
To the iphone guy who advised I keep my iphone. You're right. I will. It was stupid of me to expect HTC and android could come close to replacing it. And I imagine this will continue to be the case until HTC learns to take care of their apple users who are wishing to defect.
.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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I'm a long time blackberry user (since the 7100 series) I know this has been talked about several times...I know it has something to do with having a valid pin as thats how bbm communicates with the BIS servers. The program would have to clone a pin or something and be able to ping the server and get access I would think...BlackBerry development has reached several third parties but bbm is a core app and liscensed by RIM so I dont know if or how it could be done would be nice...The final insult to injury lol.
@Sunder74
That's what I had originally thought as well. But I also remember a few years ago when there was a little known, functioning application for WM5 that would do pin messaging (I had tested it while I was working Data Tech at a VZW Call Center).
There's also the up and coming Blackberry Application Suite. It currently only works with BES. I've a hunch that it's probably because they're going to sell pin numbers to corporations or bes server admins.
My other thought is, RIM would probably be more open to selling PIN licenses to individuals if there was a functional, stable piece of software (or base coding) for them to advertise alongside it.
Before the Blackberry App store, I remember going to a website that linked to a bunch of OTA installers grouped by category.
I don't just really want this to work. All the pieces seem to be there. Web2pin proves that the licenses can be purchased and used with bis, somehow. BBAS is about to roll out on WM. It's has to be possible.
I know! I'll sit down in my thinking chair and... Think. Think. Think.
I think the issue here is your all thinking inside the box. Android developers should design there own bbm styled app where android users would get AndroidPins and using the exact framework to create a competition and not a way to just communicate to bb people.
Android Messenger
ver 1.0
Android Pins: A9999-A999999999
Can send msgs threw data just like black berries
Would be free and you could make a donation or pay 1$ for the app
you register your number on the app and you recieve a android pin from the server
and basiclly figure out how to send pushes for when the person recieves and opens and responds to the message
the concept is there for android but i dont think people realize that black berry is like apple they try to close source there stuff which is ok but when android is open source you can litterally work on setting this app to work for communicating with apple iphones maybe blackberries too if you have the skill
just throwin around that idea
I do not know if you have ever noticed this, but bbm is RIM's largest ad campaign. There is very little chance that they would sell bbm PIN's.
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actually theres a app being developed for android its called Hello Messenger. Its already out for iOS and Blackberrys, it works just like bbm, with pin numbers and group chats. Follow them on twitter, @hellomessenger. Also theres a Android beta coming out soon, I signed up for it at http://hellomessenger.com/android/. Tell your friends.
Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Its already out. Search in market
there's also whatsapp
im waiting for WhatsApp it is out for iOS, BBOS, they are developing it for Android 2.1+, WM and S60. It uses your mobile number as your pin so to speak.
Whatsapp is already there. I have it installed on my Desire. You download the app and they have to let you logging, because its a preview, but fully working.
Y will search for the link
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"We have authorized your phone to participate in our beta test. The url for installation is
http:// beta.whatsapp.com/WhatsApp.apk
As this is a very early beta, please let us know if you are able to install successfully Any questions or support go to [email protected] When sending us bugs, please use this route Chats > Menu Settings > About > Contact Us so that we may receive logs at the same time."
Send to them an e-mail saying that you have an android phone and that you want to test their soft and you will get an email similar to that one.
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I get a message saying you are not authorized in the beta. How do i get round that?
You have to send an email to the adress posted before. You have yo tell them that you want to try their soft as beta tester in your android phone.
After few hours/days you will get an email like the one i posted allowing you to use the soft.
I forgot yo say that You have to include in the email your full mobile number (with country code), the same that you use in the app. They use it to activate your app.
Me and my friends used blackberry messenger for the longest time. Mainly the groupchat feature because it was basically a live chat room for only your friends to share pics voice records and randomness. Unfortunately both pinchat and whatsapp do not supply a good group chat. pinchat does have a group chat but its garbage compared to the BBmsger group chat and whatsapp is just flawed. I am still in search for a good group chat program that is also cross platform. or at least on android.
Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Why not try ICQ, throwing a homage to the original IM. Its got native clients for most, if not all platforms. Its even usually listed as a quick install link on BB. Facebook chat is integrated (on desktop and Android versions, don't knpw about Java/Symbian and iOS). You get a number for anti-spaming (like a PIN if you REALLY want to emulate BB).
Yes, some would say "just use X IM app then." But its the only one with native support other than fring. And I find fring clumsy, plus does not have a desktop version.
I have BBM on my work BB. And I know that its superior in a lot of ways, but willing to bet that the reason a lot of features aren't being duplicated are likely legal, not technical, reasons. So I think this is a viable option until whatsapp or others have the kinks worked out (have yet to have a successful convo in 2 days!). Maybe with enough interest they can get the things we want added.
there is app called crosstalk
but i don't know when they will release it
it's written in the official site it will com at the end of aug
but tell now nothing!!!
check this site for more info
http://www.blueplanetapps.com/products/CrossTalk.aspx
2 quick questions..
Why doesn't google talk use the new google push?(would save battery)
Also can't some one use the new push service google made to power a chat program?
http://code.google.com/apis/feed/push/
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? Hmm.. any one?
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