At the risk of being attacked for being a total noob, I must say this.
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I have an ipad.
I have an iphone 3gs. Apple won't let me tether the iphone 3gs to my ipad, because they are evil and greedy (for no other reason).
And because they are evil and greedy, I've chosen to buy another phone (htc desire) that I was told would wifi tether because it was running the latest version of android bla bla bla. You get the picture.
I should have done my home work. Turns out, I have to root the phone? Which could brick it, and cause a nightmare of issues. Also, the wifi tether doesn't actually work properly. You have to manually assign an ip address and can only use WEP. Bah!
HTC doesn't even support syncing the phone to a MAC. You can tell they are really interested in gaining market share (not).
Am I the only person who just wants this phone to tether to an iPad and do the other normal phone things with no hassle? I'm all for advancing technology by way of bricking your expensive phones etc. But sometimes things should 'just work' *laughs at self for saying something so apple'esque*
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Just plug it up with the USB... the Desire has built in tethering capabilities.
Nope.
Whiterin said:
Just plug it up with the USB... the Desire has built in tethering capabilities.
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With a macbook, no it doesn't.
With an iPad. Definitely not.
wtf
p.s. This isn't a Theme and App topic, so to the mod who moved it. wtf?
This is about android development for the HTC Desire.
Blame Steve Jobs for that. He does not allow it.
This is not Android issue.
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With a macbook, no it doesn't.
With an iPad. Definitely not.
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gogol said:
Blame Steve Jobs for that. He does not allow it.
This is not Android issue.
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I know it's not an Android issue, but android exists to offer alternatives to Steve Jobs and apples monarchy. So I was hoping somebody would figure out a way successfully create a wifi tether application that works without rooting and potentially bricking the htc desire. Maybe the android people at google could make this an out of the box feature, to cut into apple's market share.
Well, if tethering is disabled on apple devices, then it's probably not going to work (for very long at least) even with a root or a new feature.
When your phone creates a wifi network, how would the apple device know what it is? If you ensure your wifi network is a standard protocol, the mac, iPad whatever can't tell. It just connects, provided the phone does the wifi part properly.
iPhone developers created myWi, works with no issues at all. Costs $10 bucks.
I'd pay $20 bucks for a working version on the HTC Desire.
wifi tether work after rooting.. install "wifi tether", you can find it in android market..
then read this guide:
1) started wifi tether on desire
2) connect iPad (or any other device) to desire wifi network
3) set ip static on iPad (or any other device):
IP address 192.168.2.100
subnet mask 255.255.255.255
gateway 192.168.2.254
dns 192.168.2.254
4) ping with terminal emulator command :
ping 192.168.2.100
5) killed ping
6) goto safari (or any other internet browser) and surf on web .....
100% working
Yeah,
I get that you can get it working, and I appreciate your tips.
However the point remains, that as a consumer, and purchaser of a phone that is meant to compete with the iphone. I should not have to root my htc desire, and screw around with ip addresses and subnet masks, just to get this phone to do something my iphone can do.
Get it?
Your iPhone can't do it though. If it could you wouldn't be ranting in here, would you?
If you are unhappy with having to actually do something that requires very, very little effort then I suggest you stick to Apple products.
Both apple & HTC disable these options for many reasons. At least you can by pass this block in your HTC via rooting. Just follow all the great advice from these forums and you'llbe safe. And if you brick your phone it sounds like you can afford a replacement as you already have a iphone, ipad, htc, etc
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Your iPhone can't do it though. If it could you wouldn't be ranting in here, would you?
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My iphone CAN do it. It's called mywi. I explained this in the first post.
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If you are unhappy with having to actually do something that requires very, very little effort then I suggest you stick to Apple products.
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I'm unhappy that HTC doesn't make the phone sync with a MAC by default. I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do. I'm also unhappy that to do it on a HTC Desire requires additional steps which include ****ing around with ip address's and subnet masks.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
I'm unhappy that HTC doesn't make the phone sync with a MAC by default. I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
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I agree that the things you stated would be sweet to have. I've rooted my Desire just to tether and to run Apps from SD. However, WiFi tethering still isn't hassle free. Sure I'll use it if I really have to, but at this point it certainly isn't something.to show off to people. Symbian phones can do it without hacking, using Joikuspot app (currently $5). Come to think of it, doesn't the Palm Pre also offer WiFi tether out of the box?
I've had the Desire for 2 weeks now, I kind of like it, but find that Android isn't really much more open than iPhone OS. On a jailbroken iPhone, I can do pretty much everything, I can on my rooted Desire, except for the obvious things as is LED flash and Flash Lite in the browser. None of which are really great.
About syncing with your Mac, comming from an Apple only set up I had the same issues. I suggest you try googling for SyncMate and you probably already know DoubleTwist for syncing media.
As last word of advice, keep your iPhone, I sure will mine.
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I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do. I'm also unhappy that to do it on a HTC Desire requires additional steps which include ****ing around with ip address's and subnet masks.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
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You're unhappy about this, you're unhappy about that. You can be unhappy as much as you want but that's how it's working right now. I know that it's a hassle using Wi-Fi tether on the desire right now. But it'll get better. You can't just say "Make it so" and expect it'll be done. The guys on this forum are trying the best they can. You don't like it there are alternatives.
And as you said in the first post, you would have known all these issues if you informed yourself better before purchasing the phone, and not complain that this is somehow a problem that android or the devs here created.
You are wrong and sound stupid. Wifi tethering is not free nor is it an option so if you want it you have to root your phone. Why should wifi tethering be free? Not to mention the palm pre plus and palm pre pixie come with the app from Verizon, the sprint versions do not. The evo comes with sprint hotspots. If you don't have a hot spot app blame your carrier not android moron.
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Your iPhone can't do it though. If it could you wouldn't be ranting in here, would you?
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My iphone CAN do it. It's called mywi. I explained this in the first post.
If you are unhappy with having to actually do something that requires very, very little effort then I suggest you stick to Apple products.
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I'm unhappy that HTC doesn't make the phone sync with a MAC by default. I'm also unhappy that creating a wifi from the phone is something you need to root the phone to do. I'm also unhappy that to do it on a HTC Desire requires additional steps which include ****ing around with ip address's and subnet masks.
I'm right when I say, that HTC and the Android community need to spot the market share and steal it.
Not everyone can be bothered figuring out how to download roms and root phones. If this functionality came out of the box, it would be a major selling point.
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If ya can't be bothered why bother getting one in the first place. And people come here for help with rooting and ROM s that's what the whole sites about.
If you not rooting or have questions rooting related then ask on a forum for USERS not devs.
Sooo glad I never went an got a iPad poo. Even better the HP tablets out soon.
An if your out with it ipoo just sit in McDonald's and get free WiFi or just buy a WiFi router..........
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If you don't have a hot spot app blame your carrier not android moron.
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Well it doesn't have anything to do with the carrier if one's not living in the US. I can tether my phone as much as I want. In Europe we pay for data volume not for the way we use it. Sadly the US trends seem to be spreading to the EU more and more, so maybe one day our freedom of consuming mobile data will end also.
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Sounds like you should have just bought an old 2nd hand crappy winmo 6.1 device and used the wifi tether on that with the sim out your iPhone.
You people are ****ing nuts. (Excluding the nice mac user who wrote some nice things about his experience)
If we could go back a few hundred years, you'd be the kind of people trying to convince yourselves and others, that the african american slaves should be happy with what they've got, and that the right to vote and full pay is pie in the sky and shouldn't be free.
If HTC and android figured out a way to make wifi tether come out of the box, do you think HTC phones sales would drop? or increase?
If HTC offered supported software to tether and sync their phones to macs, do you think their phone sales would drop? or increase?
I'm not asking for something that is impossible or expensive. It is not included out of pure laziness. It's not included because you're happy with what little you get for free from the hard working developers in this community who are working on it, because there is no alternative.
To the iphone guy who advised I keep my iphone. You're right. I will. It was stupid of me to expect HTC and android could come close to replacing it. And I imagine this will continue to be the case until HTC learns to take care of their apple users who are wishing to defect.
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I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new stormhas somuch to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
But the BB Storm has no wifi, no flash support, no tabbed browsing. Those are deal breakers right there....and also only 192MB of RAM, nuff said.
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I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new storm has so much to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
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Decision is yours obviously, so I am not trying to talk you out of it, but you are trying to compare apples and applesauce. The Titan is an apple that can be customized to be everything from apple juice to an apple pie. The storm will only ever be applesauce. Sure it looks more refined but it has no customization ability and cant really be improved. Good luck in your decision, but I would never have a crackberry, especially with a Touch pro in my hand.
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Decision is yours obviously, so I am not trying to talk you out of it, but you are trying to compare apples and applesauce. The Titan is an apple that can be customized to be everything from apple juice to an apple pie. The storm will only ever be applesauce. Sure it looks more refined but it has no customization ability and cant really be improved. Good luck in your decision, but I would never have a crackberry, especially with a Touch pro in my hand.
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Applesauce. Nice!
Feel free to try it out.
and you cannot sync email. Like with an exchange server. They only go via blackberry. I would also recomend against it. Go with the HTC Touch Pro/Diamond. Or something else like that. Or iPhone with AT&T. Blackberry is only if your work requires it.
I do tell all of my frinds that are less technically skilled that they are probably better of with a BB.
That way I can continue to dazzle them.
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I have appriciated all the help over time here but been doing alot of considering and talking to verizon rep. and alot of posting and looking over at crackberry and think its time to give up on windows and get the new blackberry storm this friday! that thing is sweet and does all i need plus some. my main things are internet and media
i just flashed to dcd's latest 2 days ago but this thing still gets meto mad with the memory issues running movies andso much more.
the new stormhas somuch to offer, larger screen, way more rom memory, 1gb storage with 16gb micro card (comes with 8gb) and so much more
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you have a bad phone obviously, or having user-specific issue, and going to giv eup on windows mobile? lol....my 6800 works flawlessly everyday, with data and calls. I have everything I could possibly want on a 4gb card, I run my multi-messenger client (agile) all day pretty much, constatly IMing people, even while I am driving (probably not safe, but still cool), am able to browse the net, play games, I get a GPS fix with TomTom 7 in 30 seconds or less, etc...I mean the only thing my 6800 doesn't do, is wash my clothes for me, lol. Plus, it runs fast, and no memory problems.
Plus, all your email has to go through a blackberry email, so everything is relayed, and not truly using your email server...Blackberry server basically have a copy of every single email communication u make now...not only is that unsecure, but totally worthless...my 6800 on Windows Mobile connected DIRECTLY to my mail server, no intermediary email account neccesary.
Technically ignorant
I would also have to agree with worwig. We should not try to talk people out of buying devices like blackberry and the iphone because there is no point in hooking them up with a windows mobile device because they will never be able to tap into its potential. You guys have to remember in here we are the select few. Most people are retarded and look at devices like our titans and go, "oh this is definitely no iphone." And they will never understand why intellectual people will never go for devices such as these. Just let them live in their cloud of ignorance and let us live in clarity.
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I would also have to agree with worwig. We should not try to talk people out of buying devices like blackberry and the iphone because there is no point in hooking them up with a windows mobile device because they will never be able to tap into its potential. You guys have to remember in here we are the select few. Most people are retarded and look at devices like our titans and go, "oh this is definitely no iphone." And they will never understand why intellectual people will never go for devices such as these. Just let them live in their cloud of ignorance and let us live in clarity.
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Yeah, I was shaking my head for weeks when the iPhone was first announced. People were like "Wow, look at all the new features Apple invented." the first few times I showed them my WM phone, and they were like...That's old, the iPhone is all new! I said "Yeah the case is now and interface, but not the technology" They would say "Yeah, but you can make calls, browse the net, text and use GPS all from the same device" - to which I responded "I can do all those things, plus I don't have to pay for GPS, and I have Word, Excel, unlimited email, IR beam, internet sharing, ettc etc...."
Yeah, u just can't convince them. They have blinders on thinking Apple saved the world, when all it did was put old technology into a shinny wrapper.
People are like flies roaming neighboorhoods at night, and Apple is a big pretty neon Bug Zapper.
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People are like flies roaming neighboorhoods at night, and Apple is a big pretty neon Bug Zapper.
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I was thinking flies and a cow field.
But seriously, I found that I can do a huge amount of work on my WinMo phone. But some of it falls outside the built in functions, and there are few people that I know that I would even think about trying to get to do the non-standard setup. But on the other hand, I like the large amoutn of customization.
I mean, on my desktop today screen, I have the temperature AT MY HOUSE from my personal weather station and a constantly updated webcam picture of my driveway. I know how to do that on WinMo, but anything else? And more then once I have shared my connection using WMWiFiRouter. A lot of people couldn't set that up.
Ok, this is probably HIGHLY unlikely, probably IMPOSSIBLE, but does anyone see a future for having BBM on an Android device? Lol, just wondering.
EDIT: I'm talking about the ACTUAL Blackberry Messenger NOT imitation applications.
i miss bbm as well ! i was told its not possible because bbm goes through bis, and our phones dont have a pin# ?
Correct. Completely impossible. Android has no way of connecting to a BIS.
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Oo, darn. I'm trying out my friends Blackberry and I'm starting to like BBM, but I don't think I'm going to keep it, I like my droid too much.
another reason it wont work is that it uses the blackberry's pin number...we obviously dont have those
Liveprofile is the way to go.
You can't talk to people with blackberry PIN's but you can talk to all android user's and maybe iphone users. Not sure but it does show D delivered and R recieved and also you can see when they're typing.
Yeah, but I'm from the Detroit area, and for some reason the Android scene hasn't come yet. Everyone is still using blackberry's. I feel like I'm the only Android but I still love my droid. I wish more people had Android where I'm from :/
You Droid is better than the Blackberries, don't let the clique coolness of BBM discourage you. Good old text messages aren't outdated just yet.
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You Droid is better than the Blackberries, don't let the clique coolness of BBM discourage you. Good old text messages aren't outdated just yet.
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Lol so true, we need to convert everyone to Android! For like a week I guess BBM was down and people started using GTalk, I felt cool for once!
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Yeah, but I'm from the Detroit area, and for some reason the Android scene hasn't come yet. Everyone is still using blackberry's. I feel like I'm the only Android but I still love my droid. I wish more people had Android where I'm from :/
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I'm from the Detroit area and I have a Droid 2. A few people at work have them too, plus I've converted a few to Androids, including an iPhone user. lol
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I'm from the Detroit area and I have a Droid 2. A few people at work have them too, plus I've converted a few to Androids, including an iPhone user. lol
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Yeah lol, I got a couple of my friends to convert, but other than that in like the West Bloomfield/Farmington Hills area, it's all blackberry phones :/
RIM Blackberry Services on NON-BB Devices SOLVED
Anything is possible guys, the people that bring us apps and OS's in question always limit what we can do with it in order to one day unlock the feature we want at a cost. BBM for many people is a very cheap way to communicate wordwide like skype and msn ect but without real-time voip or voip (video).. RIM has said they will bring the BBM or and or the whole OS to other devices. The biggest problem is that everyone wants stuff but never willing to pay for it. BB and the PIN from RIM withing BB only devices is a way to keep us on a BB device which means no matter what phone we have like i have an HD2 / WIN 6.5/ Android via SD, we still have to have a crappy or really expensive BB. I'm sure if people started to go into their pockets and donating to devs or even went into official BB forums and asked RIM representatives to initiate a premium service package for other devices to use another form of PIN thats software driven at extra cost than buying a BB or better yet, if u own a BB and are prepared to get a cheap BB device just so u got a pin and use it remotely to push BB info and BBM stuff like how the BB PLAYBOOK I believe will run BBM. At present, a bb pin is required so in order to be part of the RIM service you must have a Blackberry so in a DEV's way of thinking, we need to somehow create a bluetooth or GSM driven app that can transmit all BBM activity to a non-BB device..
http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/03/exclusive-blackberry-messenger-will-launch-on-android-and-ios/
Hi guys,
After checking all the reviews, discussions and spent quite some hours in the store playing it, I can definitely feel the new era of tablet is coming. The 7" display is perfect for reading and the weight is not a burden for single hand holding. But the thing is I already have a i9000 (Galaxy S vibrant from Bell Canada using on Fido) with 6GB of mobile data. I am currently debating if I should jump in the TAB bandwagon now... Can someone share some thoughts on the following:
1. What's the future of Galaxy tab? I've been reading quite a lot of online articles and lots critics are saying the current android versions are yet to be ready to be served as "tablet" OS. What do you guys think?! I am pretty sure tab will get 2.3 in early next year but will it be getting 3.0 as well (official, not by XDA-gods)?
2. Like I mentioned, I already have a i9000 with me all the time, I really do not think it will be good idea to swap the sim card between teo devices all the times. I believe many of you here have a nice smartphone (android/iphone/BB...) with data plan. Tell me, how do you manage two "smart" devices with one sim card so you do not pay data twice!?
3. To be honest, I do not see myself talking with a 7" tab upside down. I know there're bluetooth solutions (hand free), but any other thoughts?! I saw someone's review on the SE liveview, but I personally think this device is yet to be matured but the device got very good potential in the future if they keep developing it. Did anyone try to pair bluetooth hand free+liveview+tab all three at the same time? So when liveview vibrates I can quickly answer the call with bluetooth handfree...
4. Are you happy with your wifi only tab?! I will be traveling to US soon, where can I get a good price on wifi only tab other than ebay?! If I cannot manage two devices with one sim card, I think a wifi tab is not a bad choice... worst comes worst, I will use mobile AP on my i9000 to share data with tab.
Thanks for your sharing, any comments will be greatly appreciated.
cheers!
To answer question 2 I set up my mobile as a wifi hotspot and connect with my tab.
In the new year there will be a load of new tabs on the market, perhaps its wise to hold off until then.
The galaxy tab will be in the sales by then anyway
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ymlccc said:
Hi guys,
1. What's the future of Galaxy tab? I've been reading quite a lot of online articles and lots critics are saying the current android versions are yet to be ready to be served as "tablet" OS. What do you guys think?! I am pretty sure tab will get 2.3 in early next year but will it be getting 3.0 as well (official, not by XDA-gods)?
Does it really matter if it gets 2.3 or 3.0? You should always buy a device for what it does NOW, not what it could do. And the Tab does a whole helluva lot right now, today, with 2.2. Anything else would be gravy.
That said, it'll get 2.3 at the very least.
2. Like I mentioned, I already have a i9000 with me all the time, I really do not think it will be good idea to swap the sim card between teo devices all the times. I believe many of you here have a nice smartphone (android/iphone/BB...) with data plan. Tell me, how do you manage two "smart" devices with one sim card so you do not pay data twice!?
You know, I have a Galaxy S as well, been using one since July, best smartphone I've ever owned, love it.
But you what else? Since I picked up the Tab 3.5 weeks ago, I barely use the SGS for anything besides voice calling, and glancing at the weather.
Since I might use something like 30 voice minutes a YEAR, I'm seriously contemplating saying goodbye to the SGS, sticking that voice-data (and free US data roaming) SIM in my Tab and dropping the tablet data-only/Canada-only plan .
3. To be honest, I do not see myself talking with a 7" tab upside down. I know there're bluetooth solutions (hand free), but any other thoughts?! I saw someone's review on the SE liveview, but I personally think this device is yet to be matured but the device got very good potential in the future if they keep developing it. Did anyone try to pair bluetooth hand free+liveview+tab all three at the same time? So when liveview vibrates I can quickly answer the call with bluetooth handfree...
You can get vibrating bluetooth earpieces.
4. Are you happy with your wifi only tab?! I will be traveling to US soon, where can I get a good price on wifi only tab other than ebay?! If I cannot manage two devices with one sim card, I think a wifi tab is not a bad choice... worst comes worst, I will use mobile AP on my i9000 to share data with tab.
There is no such thing as a WiFi-only Tab right now, probably won't be for at least another month, and if/when it is released you'll have to hack it for Market support, guaranteed.
Also, don't count on using that mobile AP for longer than about an hour before the i9000 is drained.
Prices will come down a bit on the 3G versions of the Tab, but not a lot. The price drops in the UK were simply adjustments to bring them more in-line with US pricing, not as a panic or market correction.
I'd always recommend paying the price premium for the 3G version over the mythical WiFi-only version because doing so means you don't have to wait, you can enjoy your Tab immediately, and you have more options. Use it without a SIM and it becomes a WiFi-only device at that point, with the option to use 3G if the need arises.
Keep in mind that nobody besides Samsung has any idea what price point the WiFi-only version will come in at, if it is actually released. How can it be much cheaper than the 3G version? A 3G radio and antenna array costs only a few dollars...not hundreds. Even Apple, just about the worst gougers ever in the electronics world, only charge a $75-100 premium for the 3G version.
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To answer question 2 I set up my mobile as a wifi hotspot and connect with my tab.
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I am having major problems trying to do this, and keeping my Tab will depend on me figuring out why my mobile wifi hotspot phone works with regular computers but not my Tab
Been ready to throw the Tab off a cliff because it makes no sense when it has WEP connectivity but can't see my phone's WEP hotspot.
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I am having major problems trying to do this, and keeping my Tab will depend on me figuring out why my mobile wifi hotspot phone works with regular computers but not my Tab
Been ready to throw the Tab off a cliff because it makes no sense when it has WEP connectivity but can't see my phone's WEP hotspot.
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The Galaxy Tab does not detect my HD2 router, I tested several softwares of the Android Market, but none connected, someone were finding the access point, but none was connecting. That is the worst!
We need a hack or something to do this work.
But my HD2 connects with the Galaxy Tab wifi router!
The galaxy tab does not see adhoc networks. You would have to use a mobile ap. Hope this helps.
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The galaxy tab does not see adhoc networks. You would have to use a mobile ap. Hope this helps.
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This is true, however some phones can create real infrastructure wifi networks like the Nexus One.
I was planning on waiting till the wifi version of the tab came out to get it and just tethering it to my phone but I ended up picking up the sprint version and I have to say that I'm glad I did. I'm paying the 30 a month for data but for me it's worthwhile. I know that better tablets will come out but I'm OK with getting a new tablet in another 1-2 years.
I have a galaxy s and the first days I used the tethering option to conect via wifi and worked perfectly.
Now what I do is different. I purchased a double line sim, wich lets you use your sim card in two different devices at the same time including the data plan.
My carrier is Orange in Spain but I suppose all carriers have this option because more and more cars are being sold with stereos that let you insert you sim.
About the future of the tab, its sure its going to be upgraded to gingerbread and to be honest I don't need anything with more power, for the use I give it its perfect and will be for some time.
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Well I've had mine for 2 months now and I can unequivocally say go for it.
The device in my opinion works best with a data-only pay as you go plan.
The tab is pretty rubbish as a phone (I find using wired or bt headsets just makes me look like a loonier and generally uncomfortable considering its size), but as an independent 3g/ edge device it saves my phone battery and gives me the option of having a connection even deep in the Russian countryside.
Agps is also important if you drive a lot using navigation, and it wont be available with the wiring only version.
Re usability - with a few simple tweaks I now have a device that runs silky smooth. No less so than my sisters ipad. My browser doesn't lag. My battery lasts 2 days with light use. My email client downloads and opens all attachments and my video player plays almost every file I throw at it. My device is dlna enabled and my initial distrust of the size has turned to a point of pride.
As I've said before, with android, there really is no spoon. It is the finest mobile tablet experience for the road. For home use you should really consider a 10+ inch, windows 7 slate.
Considering the nature of android apps, the only benefits you will see from holding off and buying a tegra 2 powered tablet that's due out in the next few months are higher benchmark scores and lower prices.
In terms of overall build quality, samsungs commitment to updates (there are already TENS OF FIRMWARE versions available) and general awesomeness, I would say tab.
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The galaxy tab does not see adhoc networks. You would have to use a mobile ap. Hope this helps.
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Forgive my ignorance but what is a "mobile ap" and can it be done on my WM (Tilt 2/Rhodium) phone so I can get a data connection from the phone to the Tab?
Yeah I got the tab within a week of its release in my country and yes it cost a bomb but its worth every penny paid for it! I simply love the size and portability of the tab and the fact that I can have an almost desktop level experience on it!
I love the fact that I can browse the web in full, watch videos embedded in sites, YouTube, javascripts, downloads work great, I can stream music or watch movies or read books or manga or comics, take it out for navigation while driving...the full web experience on the go! The yiuchscreen works like a smooth dream, overall device build quality is awesome...i can check all emails and other stuff...What can be better....
Sure Gingerbread may or may not improve the experience but as it stands now Froyo works like a dream on the tab...the idiot Google spokesperson who commented that Froyp was not optimized for tablets need to be kicked for shooting of his mouth!
For me the Tab is the best device till date - the power of a PC in a compact form factor...I rarely use my PC or netbook or laptops or other mobile devices nowadays...when I need to do something on the net, I reach for the tab!
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Go for it, it's worth every penny you spend on it
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I think Google very much queered the pitch for devices like the Tab when they said that Android was not optimized for tablets.
An example can be found here, where it says:
According to Barra, Android market apps "just wouldn't run" on a tablet-oriented platform, as Froyo was simply "not designed for that form factor."
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Really? I must say that I've not found an app yet that doesn't run on the Tab, though I'm sure they do exist. However, this is no different to any Android phone - there are apps that will run on some phones but not on others, even though they have the same Android version.
This comment is the real deal though:
"We want to make sure that we're going to create a application distribution mechanism for the Android market, to ensure our users have [the] right experience," he added.
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There's no formal "section" in the Android Market for Tablet apps, making it hard to find tablet specific versions - this is true!
However, everyone has picked up on the "not optimized" comment and it gets rolled out all the time by people who basically have never used the Tab in anger.
To be honest though, I think that you can consider the Galaxy Tab running Froyo akin to the iPad running iOS 3.2 - the iPad became a much improved device when iOS 4.2, but was still perfectly fine on iOS 3.2. We should see the same with Gingerbread/Honeycomb.
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Dave
Thanks guys for the support, yes, I am unboxing my tab right now and darn, I am pretty happy for it (now). But I do use my SGS quite a lot (20 min+ talk) so I need a better management between the phone and tab. I think I am a bit greedy and wish I have data eveywhere and on all my devices.
I personaly think the mobile OS evolves faster than what I can imagine and seriously after the house, car, and then soon kids, a device that will only last 6 to 8 months with further upgrade to me is waste of money. For $650CND+tax, I hope it could last me minimum a yea...
Action plan:
1. Get it unlocked and rooted.
2. Flash it to Euro+Bell modem (mine is Rogers)
3. Find a nice case (no profolio) with kickstand (any recommendations?)
I also think Mobile AP will drain way too much joice from the battery even though I have two spare batteries but it will be not so conveinent in the long run...
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I think I am a bit greedy and wish I have data eveywhere and on all my devices. ..
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Lol...welcome to the club...I have a second sim from Vodafone with an unlimited data and voice plan, under the corporate plan and the service provider keeps on cribbing am not using the voice plan...
I have found the battery to last longer by reducing the screen brightness between 15-20%...
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It seems to me that the KINm phones (or atleast the TWOm) are the only product in a specific niche of the cell phone / smartphone market, namely they offer WiFi browsing w/o an expensive data plan.
I would suspect that there is a pretty big group of users who would want exactly that. But, they probably don't know the option exists, especially if Verizon doesn't really advertise this phone. (They don't even have it in Verizon stores that I have been to, only online, listed under feature phones). Of course, it's not really in Verizon's best interest to promote this, considering they _want_ you to pay for a data plan.
So, this leaves me feeling very uncertain whether this "relaunch" of the KIN phones will ever catch on?
Also, is anyone else on the board interested in this phone still? I thought Kin threads were fairly active, but maybe it's just me?
Jon
jon2012 said:
It seems to me that the KINm phones (or atleast the TWOm) are the only product in a specific niche of the cell phone / smartphone market, namely they offer WiFi browsing w/o an expensive data plan.
I would suspect that there is a pretty big group of users who would want exactly that. But, they probably don't know the option exists, especially if Verizon doesn't really advertise this phone. (They don't even have it in Verizon stores that I have been to, only online, listed under feature phones). Of course, it's not really in Verizon's best interest to promote this, considering they _want_ you to pay for a data plan.
So, this leaves me feeling very uncertain whether this "relaunch" of the KIN phones will ever catch on?
Also, is anyone else on the board interested in this phone still? I thought Kin threads were fairly active, but maybe it's just me?
Jon
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I agree that if Verizon would advertise this phone it would possibly catch on. As for the Kin in Verizon stores, that's actually where I got mine and I've seen Verizon's reps trying to persuade people into getting the phone.
The phone seems to be getting pretty good reviews and response from buyers, but like you said Verizon is doing a poor job of promoting it.
And there are a handful of us both here and on Microsoft's forum site that have been trying many different approaches, but unforturnately none of us are experts in routing phones. A few us have bricked phones now, and we still haven't made to much progress, but still hoping someone can make progress.
This link rates the twom as the best messaging phone.
Kin TwoM= Win!
I am switching to the kin twom from a HTC Thunderbolt. I have a xoom as well, so I really don't need to keep paying for data on my handset. I have had several android phones, and for that matter several winmo phones in the past. I am excited about this because this really is a great phone for a "feature phone". No data, but having wifi is really sweet. I want to hack it and port android to it, which may not be possible, but either way, I think this really is a win, especially if you have a tablet.
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I am excited about this because this really is a great phone for a "feature phone". No data, but having wifi is really sweet. I want to hack it and port android to it, which may not be possible, but either way, I think this really is a win, especially if you have a tablet.
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that depends on the point of view. For me, even if i'm pretty naughty with it, it isn't a great phone, caused in most part by the software..
- Software lags a lot (should not for the "few" resources that we use).
More if you take in account that we are using a tegra device with a 0'6Ghz CPU. My crappy PDA with 203mhz can play Age of empires mobile without lagging, and this phone can't just run the menu smoothly (sometimes). I smell bad optimization...
- The browser support for rtsp is kinda lame (no flash support and just redirection to mobile sites to a streaming protocol). Browser in general is pure **add your favourite badword here**.
- The wifi detection is barely ok, but several times it can't find the ESSID even if it's near it (@ my home wifi router) and you have to turn on, turn off the wifi till it awakes.
- Suffers from random reboots (if some software freezes). Happens to me sometimes, even with the phone playing the "i'm like a brick" game alone over my desk.
- It's battery is fastly drained by the OS, cause you cant close apps, and they are surely running in the background, like other windows ce OS's. If you open your browser after rebooting, it's there forever. If i could add only 1 app to a kin in the wooorld, i would add a battery/app ultraconfigurator to reduce so.
- Sometimes it can't even load some apps and shows a "loading..." window till it's... well loaded.
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On the other hand, the screen is pretty well done, imo. It detected my touchs almost perfect, whenever i tried.
At least, they solved the old bug that the original kin two had, where you set a wifi and can't reenter wifi settings cause the os hanged doing so (one or several reboots needed).
It would be so cool if it was sold unlocked & without contract for 100$. Then use dataplan with the company you want, and with installable apps.
I have a question that I wonder any of the pros of this site can answer. whose fault is it that web browsing on android is starting to suck? is it android or the carriers? my example go to a pc and type Plentyoffish.com then do the same on an android phone and see the difference. same goes for the msn home page. your forced to go to the so called gay extreme page. to me the whole reason for getting android in the beginning was to browse the web while on the go as I would on my pc. some of you might say oh well web browsing isnt the only reason for an adroid phone. open source blah blah blah, apps blah blah blah. those are kinda of lame excuses. you can easily hack an iphone. and the iphone has more apps. originally android had a better browser but not any more. there are a few roms that still have the good browser. but most dont. who is to blame for the crappy ness? im starting to think my next phone may be an iphone. if I'm forced to use a crappy web browser it might as well be on a phone that has more apps. can anyone answer this question please
Not really sure what your talking about. If you mean you don't like the mobile view that can easily be changed to desktop view. It also depends on the type of coverage you have in your area.
Say what?
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1) you would get alot more replies and feedback if you were to sound a tad more mature. To be frank about it you sound like an 8 year old who just got a phone from mommy and daddy.
2) to answer your question. a PC, regardless of Mac, Windows or Linux, has alot more RAM then these phones do. So the PC can process the information a-lot faster.
3a) Do not blame us, nor your phone for your ability to not search for the answers you are inquiring.
3b) if you go to your address bar and type about:debug you can change the flags so your phone will register as desktop and you will get the full browsing experience.
3c) you can load a 3rd party ROM and have that set as a default. I never look a "mobi.[page_name].com" address.
3d) you can always use a 3rd party browser. Firefox, Skyfire, Bolt, Dolphin HD all support full HTML browsing.
4) if you want an iPhone, don't make a threat. Just do it. We won't stop you. Just keep in mind news reporters in North Korea have more freedoms than iOS users.
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1) you would get alot more replies and feedback if you were to sound a tad more mature. To be frank about it you sound like an 8 year old who just got a phone from mommy and daddy.
2) to answer your question. a PC, regardless of Mac, Windows or Linux, has alot more RAM then these phones do. So the PC can process the information a-lot faster.
3a) Do not blame us, nor your phone for your ability to not search for the answers you are inquiring.
3b) if you go to your address bar and type about:debug you can change the flags so your phone will register as desktop and you will get the full browsing experience.
3c) you can load a 3rd party ROM and have that set as a default. I never look a "mobi.[page_name].com" address.
3d) you can always use a 3rd party browser. Firefox, Skyfire, Bolt, Dolphin HD all support full HTML browsing.
4) if you want an iPhone, don't make a threat. Just do it. We won't stop you. Just keep in mind news reporters in North Korea have more freedoms than iOS users.
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I love it!
Lol..... That's all I gotta say....
Go hack an iphone...
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there are a few roms that still have the good browser. but most dont. who is to blame for the crappy ness?
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That would be Scott Android. You will have to take it up with him.
El oh El @ Steve job love children wannabes.
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neidlinger said:
1) you would get alot more replies and feedback if you were to sound a tad more mature. To be frank about it you sound like an 8 year old who just got a phone from mommy and daddy.
2) to answer your question. a PC, regardless of Mac, Windows or Linux, has alot more RAM then these phones do. So the PC can process the information a-lot faster.
3a) Do not blame us, nor your phone for your ability to not search for the answers you are inquiring.
3b) if you go to your address bar and type about:debug you can change the flags so your phone will register as desktop and you will get the full browsing experience.
3c) you can load a 3rd party ROM and have that set as a default. I never look a "mobi.[page_name].com" address.
3d) you can always use a 3rd party browser. Firefox, Skyfire, Bolt, Dolphin HD all support full HTML browsing.
4) if you want an iPhone, don't make a threat. Just do it. We won't stop you. Just keep in mind news reporters in North Korea have more freedoms than iOS users.
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lol Im diggin that last sentence
try opera browser... than talk
I wanna join in on hammering this iphonite!! Run back and suckle of Steve Job's teets you ignoramus.
yes I know about user agent but does not come stock with android browsing. you have to download a 3rd party browser. my question is why....web browsing gone from good to worse on android? is it android hindering their own browsers or is it service providers? keeping people from a rich browsing experience
hey dumbass! I have an android phone. a mythouch 4g in fact. I originally left the iphone because the browsing experience was weak compared to android. now 2 years after making the switch, android has gone backwards. emulating the iphones crappy browsing. so you stupid idiot maybe read next time before you offer your retarded 2 cents. actually your opinion is worth less then that. more like two pesos
this comment was directed toward eqjunkie
trentmaynard said:
yes I know about user agent but does not come stock with android browsing. you have to download a 3rd party browser. my question is why....web browsing gone from good to worse on android? is it android hindering their own browsers or is it service providers? keeping people from a rich browsing experience
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are you talking to me? The stock browser dose have selectable user agents.
I told you to type
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about:debug
the the browser then press them menu button then scroll to the very bottom of the options.. you see the JS Flags there.
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hey dumbass! I have an android phone. a mythouch 4g in fact. I originally left the iphone because the browsing experience was weak compared to android. now 2 years after making the switch, android has gone backwards. emulating the iphones crappy browsing. so you stupid idiot maybe read next time before you offer your retarded 2 cents. actually your opinion is worth less then that. more like two pesos
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Once again. are you talking to me? I think so but i'm not sure
anyway with over 227 "thanks" here, and i have not posted a ROM/Theme/or App - I'm just here helping people. and some 1,100 "likes" on BGR i think my opinion might be more widely appreciated then you think.
just because you got your feelings stepped on doesn't make me some sort jack wagon. My mom and dad did tell me "if you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all". But they also told me honesty will get you though life.
And your "two pesos" comment i find highly offensive. I have family from puerto rico, and my sister's fiancee is from El Salvador.
Nice choice of words dip ****.
neidlinger said:
1) you would get alot more replies and feedback if you were to sound a tad more mature. To be frank about it you sound like an 8 year old who just got a phone from mommy and daddy.
2) to answer your question. a PC, regardless of Mac, Windows or Linux, has alot more RAM then these phones do. So the PC can process the information a-lot faster.
3a) Do not blame us, nor your phone for your ability to not search for the answers you are inquiring.
3b) if you go to your address bar and type about:debug you can change the flags so your phone will register as desktop and you will get the full browsing experience.
3c) you can load a 3rd party ROM and have that set as a default. I never look a "mobi.[page_name].com" address.
3d) you can always use a 3rd party browser. Firefox, Skyfire, Bolt, Dolphin HD all support full HTML browsing.
4) if you want an iPhone, don't make a threat. Just do it. We won't stop you. Just keep in mind news reporters in North Korea have more freedoms than iOS users.
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1) your calling me immature after resorting to name calling when you don't know me or know nothing about me, i believe you said I was acting like a kid who just got a new phone from his mommy and daddy. to which my response would be, your acting like a douche bag who insults people when he could just as easily ignore my question.
2) secondly don't tell me about pc and mac vs mobile devices. that just proves you don't know me A hole ( and I only say that because I feel like you insulted/condescended to me first) I know pc's and mac's have more memory and processing power. did you know that full web browsing including flash was once natively possible on android. now at days you have to either root your device and install a specific rom (something a lot of people cant do) or install a 3rd party that sometimes doesn't work well depending on the specs of your phone
3) don't blame you? you have a mighty opinion of yourself don't you. I don't even know you other then the fact that you like to respond to peoples post in a condescending manner without first trying to understand the question that was asked. and B, don't blame my phone? ugh... I know my phone isn't a real person. do you? lastly if you took the time to read my question it says whose to blame android or the service providers, not the phone or xda
lastly I wasn't making a threat, threat? who would it even be aimed to. I know about 3rd browsers I know about roms. these are not things developers and app makers should have to FIX! they should be standard! and in fact, they originally where. but there not anymore. so once again! my question is who is to blame. is android purposely hindering their browsers by mistake are the cellular providers redirecting our browsers to inferior mobile pages so people using their phones do not use up all of their service providers 3g/4g connections speeds. what is so hard to understand about the question. when buying a smart phone they force you to get a data package. then when you try to look at sites like, ebaumsworld or what ever you can't because your first to go to stupid mobile pages that don't even have flash videos. what is the point in having flash. what is the point of android if not the web browsing? fixing the mistakes and limitations of the platform? thats like going to a junk yard and paying the same price for a broken car that you would a new because when you fix the new car you can customize it any way you want. does that really make sense to you? i like android but I don't think its beyond criticism. no matter how good something is it can always be better. when you stop innovating you become stagnant
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1) your calling me immature after resorting to name calling when you don't know me or know nothing about me, i believe you said I was acting like a kid who just got a new phone from his mommy and daddy. to which my response would be, your acting like a douche bag who insults people when he could just as easily ignore my question.
2) secondly don't tell me about pc and mac vs mobile devices. that just proves you don't know me A hole ( and I only say that because I feel like you insulted/condescended to me first) I know pc's and mac's have more memory and processing power. did you know that full web browsing including flash was once natively possible on android. now at days you have to either root your device and install a specific rom (something a lot of people cant do) or install a 3rd party that sometimes doesn't work well depending on the specs of your phone
3) don't blame you? you have a mighty opinion of yourself don't you. I don't even know you other then the fact that you like to respond to peoples post in a condescending manner without first trying to understand the question that was asked. and B, don't blame my phone? ugh... I know my phone isn't a real person. do you? lastly if you took the time to read my question it says whose to blame android or the service providers, not the phone or xda
lastly I wasn't making a threat, threat? who would it even be aimed to. I know about 3rd browsers I know about roms. these are not things developers and app makers should have to FIX! they should be standard! and in fact, they originally where. but there not anymore. so once again! my question is who is to blame. is android purposely hindering their browsers by mistake are the cellular providers redirecting our browsers to inferior mobile pages so people using their phones do not use up all of their service providers 3g/4g connections speeds. what is so hard to understand about the question. when buying a smart phone they force you to get a data package. then when you try to look at sites like, ebaumsworld or what ever you can't because your first to go to stupid mobile pages that don't even have flash videos. what is the point in having flash. what is the point of android if not the web browsing? fixing the mistakes and limitations of the platform? thats like going to a junk yard and paying the same price for a broken car that you would a new because when you fix the new car you can customize it any way you want. does that really make sense to you? i like android but I don't think its beyond criticism. no matter how good something is it can always be better. when you stop innovating you become stagnant
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I sense a mod intervention or a flame war in the making.... But android has become more polished and shiny (sense...gross) due to user demand. neidlinger answered your question in a basic, easy to understand level at first until YOU decided to get mad for no apparent reason? If it seemed condescending you could state that politely and not fuel the fire or PM him. This has all been ridiculous. Your question was a valid android based question atleast and was answered on a lower level because frankly, lower post count thanks meter, grammar etc. Govern the response of the person trying to help you. If there was confusion on how the answer was given you should've asked, I'm not a mod but I'm just saying what should've been done.
P.s. @neidlinger loved the Korean joke just sayin
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hey dumbass! I have an android phone. a mythouch 4g in fact. I originally left the iphone because the browsing experience was weak compared to android. now 2 years after making the switch, android has gone backwards. emulating the iphones crappy browsing. so you stupid idiot maybe read next time before you offer your retarded 2 cents. actually your opinion is worth less then that. more like two pesos
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Ease up kiddo
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Why is this thread still open? The OP is just another troll, I don't understand why he got the phone if he loves iOS so much. I have no problem with apple, but he should stick with what he likes, he's talking just plain nonsense about android for no reason. If this is how you get your kicks then I feel sorry for you. The browser if much better from the days of the G1 and is much better now I could tell you from personal experience, stupid flash ads are there and that's not on iOS is it?[not sure] Just be happy and stop complaining.
Let this thread die... Please.. Xda is suppose to be informative. This ain't.
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trentmaynard said:
I have a question that I wonder any of the pros of this site can answer. whose fault is it that web browsing on android is starting to suck? is it android or the carriers? my example go to a pc and type Plentyoffish.com then do the same on an android phone and see the difference. same goes for the msn home page. your forced to go to the so called gay extreme page. to me the whole reason for getting android in the beginning was to browse the web while on the go as I would on my pc. some of you might say oh well web browsing isnt the only reason for an adroid phone. open source blah blah blah, apps blah blah blah. those are kinda of lame excuses. you can easily hack an iphone. and the iphone has more apps. originally android had a better browser but not any more. there are a few roms that still have the good browser. but most dont. who is to blame for the crappy ness? im starting to think my next phone may be an iphone. if I'm forced to use a crappy web browser it might as well be on a phone that has more apps. can anyone answer this question please
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On topic.
So on what ROM, including stock, can you not surf the net like a desktop? I have tried every ROM this forum, and a few others, have produced, and EVERY single one had fully featured web browsing. Mobile view is set to default because not everyone has large data plans, and some don't have data plans at all. It's a safety net, not some evil plan to ruin your experience. Not all smartphones are capable of the full experience, but all smartphones are capable of mobile view. It's just smart for android to default to it. I have yet to come across a browser on any ROM (nothing 3rd party) that didn't have a setting to change the UA string to desktop.
And on a personal note, sometimes I prefer mobile view. It's a lot easier for me to read news articles and do other basic browsing, so it guess it comes down to a matter of opinion.