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I purchased 2 HTC Evo 4G's on June 4th. I still have until July 4th do return/cancel the lines. I'm having those light leaking problems and my GF's phone is lifting at the bottom part of the screen. I ported both numbers from AT&T to Sprint and want to know what the best route would be to get replacements.
My local RS which happened to be the Point of Sale doesn't have any Evo's in stock nor did they know when they will receive any. I was told by a manager that when they receive more stock they will call me to let me know when I can swap out the devices. I don't believe him being that he stated that even if he gets them after the 30 day period it'll be an easy swap. I think I'm setting myself up for failure and they just want me to ride out the 30 day period so they can collect commission.
I called Sprint today and was told that I have the option to return the equipment and get 2 replacement phones (different models) and that I would have to wait for my upgrade to get the Evo's again. Why would I wait a year and a half to upgrade my phones!?
Is there an escalation path so I can have Sprint send me 2 replacements in the mail and I'll send these 2 back? I don't want to go through insurance since I just got the phones and I refuse to pay $200 to get 2 devices shipped to me when I just got the phones.
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place and need some advice. I asked the rep if I could return the Evo's and use 2 Sprint phones I already own without a contract and she stated that I would still be on a contract. How does this make sense? I thought that if you own the phones there wouldn't be a contract. I hate calling because I get different answers every time and I don't want to be stuck with the bad batches for almost 2 years.
I m in same boat as you
But Sprint is sending me a new one overnite
Just explained that rs and my local corp Sprint store would do nothing
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oh and duck Apple
Dude how did you get them to send you one if you bought it at Radioshack?
kwajr said:
I m in same boat as you
But Sprint is sending me a new one overnite
Just explained that rs and my local corp Sprint store would do nothing
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
oh and duck Apple
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You bought it at RadioShack and Sprint helped you? I tried this and got turned down.
You do not need to use insurance on a phone for warranty issues. If you are paying for TEP (total equipment protection) you can walk into a sprint repair center (it's important that it's a repair center) and they can go through to see if it's repairable, supposedly they've been taught how to tighten the screen or if they can order a new one for you. It's hit or miss that it could be a refurb but I would raise a stink that you're within 30 days and don't want a refurb but a new phone.
I told them that I went to 3 rs stores and not one would order one for me
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oh and duck Apple
You should be able to have your account noted at RS that you want a replacement but there are no phones in stock.. RS is mailing me a replacement within the next 5 days,... They can extend the 30 day return period to 90 days if they do not have the item in inventory. Give it a shot.
i woudl escalate within sprints phone customer service. say you need replacemetns or you will cancel and get iphone 4. once you want to cancel tehy will transfer you to retentions whom have all the power to retain you as a customer.
do not trust the radioshack manager. be very weary of being able to do anything outside of 30 days.
I want to return mine too.
How bad does the issue have to be for them to consider replacing it?\There is also a bright spot on the phone that is very obvious on a white/light background, it kind of bothers me. I bought from Sprint.
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I purchased 2 HTC Evo 4G's on June 4th. I still have until July 4th do return/cancel the lines. I'm having those light leaking problems and my GF's phone is lifting at the bottom part of the screen. I ported both numbers from AT&T to Sprint and want to know what the best route would be to get replacements.
My local RS which happened to be the Point of Sale doesn't have any Evo's in stock nor did they know when they will receive any. I was told by a manager that when they receive more stock they will call me to let me know when I can swap out the devices. I don't believe him being that he stated that even if he gets them after the 30 day period it'll be an easy swap. I think I'm setting myself up for failure and they just want me to ride out the 30 day period so they can collect commission.
I called Sprint today and was told that I have the option to return the equipment and get 2 replacement phones (different models) and that I would have to wait for my upgrade to get the Evo's again. Why would I wait a year and a half to upgrade my phones!?
Is there an escalation path so I can have Sprint send me 2 replacements in the mail and I'll send these 2 back? I don't want to go through insurance since I just got the phones and I refuse to pay $200 to get 2 devices shipped to me when I just got the phones.
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place and need some advice. I asked the rep if I could return the Evo's and use 2 Sprint phones I already own without a contract and she stated that I would still be on a contract. How does this make sense? I thought that if you own the phones there wouldn't be a contract. I hate calling because I get different answers every time and I don't want to be stuck with the bad batches for almost 2 years.
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RS can order replacements for you right now. No need to wait. Go in and ask, and if they claim they cant, call the district office number that's posted in their store. Easy-Peasy.
bob13bob said:
i woudl escalate within sprints phone customer service. say you need replacemetns or you will cancel and get iphone 4. once you want to cancel tehy will transfer you to retentions whom have all the power to retain you as a customer.
do not trust the radioshack manager. be very weary of being able to do anything outside of 30 days.
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It's no different for us swapping the bad ones after 30 days, especially with the known inventory shortage. And if the guy says he'll do it, there's no reason not to trust him. The negative attitudes towards store workers is effing annoying.
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It's no different for us swapping the bad ones after 30 days, especially with the known inventory shortage. And if the guy says he'll do it, there's no reason not to trust him. The negative attitudes towards store workers is effing annoying.
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actually, expand that to all front line workers. i don't know if it's because they're not knowledgeable, lazy, or downright malicious, but they are always making promises that never materialize.
what i would do is email sprint customer care... they will write you back and then you will have something in writing... safest way to go about doing this. as a backup plan, sign up for TEP... worse comes to worst you'll at least be able to commit insurance fraud, drop $100 and get a new device.
Apparently several retailers are selling the Vibrant for $99 with upgrade. TMobile has been persuaded by several users on their official forums (including myself) to credit the difference ($100) to their bills.
Post on the T-Mob forums:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Samsu...o-Walmart-Firefly-Radio-Shack-etc/td-p/421988
hmmm I'll have to try this tomorrow. maybe I'll get lucky.
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Apparently several retailers are selling the Vibrant for $99 with upgrade. TMobile has been persuaded by several users on their official forums (including myself) to credit the difference ($100) to their bills.
Post on the T-Mob forums:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Samsu...o-Walmart-Firefly-Radio-Shack-etc/td-p/421988
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Not to put a damper on things, but I work for TMO care in an un-named higher position. Feel free to call, but don't expect that to be the case. There isn't an official "offer" like that going on and if it has happened, it has been a judgment call by the rep and/or sup. But speaking from experience, this kind of thing is rare.
Just want to avoid banging heads against a brick wall.
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Not to put a damper on things, but I work for TMO care in an un-named higher position. Feel free to call, but don't expect that to be the case. There isn't an official "offer" like that going on and if it has happened, it has been a judgment call by the rep and/or sup. But speaking from experience, this kind of thing is rare.
Just want to avoid banging heads against a brick wall.
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Thanks for clearing things up. I know it's the CSR's call, but it has worked for several people on the T-Mo forums, but obviously, it's hit or miss. Anyway, it's worth a try regardless.
what other deals/benefits can we get from the t-mob?
If you've been with T-Mobile for a long time you would have a much easier time getting preferred features.
good chunk of change for u vibrant users!
Been with tmo for like 7 years and they wouldnt sell me for $165
I did this on the relese day... Worked. I did have to call in twice and as I was nearly out of contract they knew I could walk.
When I called on July 13th to get an official confirmation on the release of the Vibrant, I also wanted to disable a 3rd line I had that is no longer in use. the CSR transferred me to another dept (which I later learned to be the Loyalty dept). I told them to disconnect my 3rd line and the reason was that it was no longer in use by my cousin who changed carriers.
The Loyalty Rep was trying to convince me to leave the line open. And seeing that I was interested in the Vibrant, he would be able to give it to me for 99 because that line was out of contract. Since my main line was out of contract, I asked him about that and he said that under my account, any of my 3 lines was eligible for a loyalty discount, but it is only available over the phone.
I called on the 15th and they had to verify what was entered in the notes for the loyalty discount.
I got mine for 99. I cited that I can get it from Amazon, Android And Me, etc. for that price.
I was lucky enough for T-mobile to give me the vibrant for $200 even though I just got a new plan with them around 3 months ago. So I don't think I'll be pushing my luck.
Yeah, I got the vibrant for $200, the new contract price even though I was on my previous contact for only 12 months.
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Loyalty refused to credit me 100$ even though I was out of contract before my upgrade, and threatened to leave for Sprint. But they lowered my monthly bill by 20$.
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Loyalty refused to credit me 100$ even though I was out of contract before my upgrade, and threatened to leave for Sprint. But they lowered my monthly bill by 20$.
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That'll work. They just saved you $480 over the course of your contract. Not a bad deal, and a whole lot better than $100 credit.
I decided to give CS a call, mentioned I was an Amazon Prime customer and Amazon has it for $99. Ended up getting a $100 credit to my account! Thanks T-Mobile!
called cust serv and it was a no go bc I bought in store.. I tried tho...
A few weeks ago, I placed a call to T-mobile customer loyalty personnel, first line of defend declined to match Costco $100 price. I escalated the issue and politely requested to speak to the supervisor, a few minutes later I got T-mobile to agree on $149 with free 2 days shipping & no activation fee.
I have 8 lines with T-mobile and have been a loyal customer for over 5 yrs. T-mobile CS was fantastic and cordial during the "negotiation".
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called cust serv and it was a no go bc I bought in store.. I tried tho...
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Try again... I bought it in-store too.
All this puts you on a 2-year contract right? Even More Plus won't get any of these deals?
Anybody here had any dealings with Sprint Early Termination? I wonder if there is some sort of lemon clause or something. I'm on my 4th EVO in 4 months. Screen, USB, Volume Rocker, USB. They have replaced it under warranty each time, no charge. I guess i have a pretty good argument. This is a business phone/account so down time is money. Even if its only a couple hours each issue. Well you can bet that i'll give it a try. Hopefully the Nexus S will give me the nudge i need to call and raise hell. My 4th New EVO will be here Tuesday. At least i'll have a new phone to sell.. That's if you can keep the phone when you early terminate. Can you? I wonder if you can keep it if they let you out early... Like my situation. Hmmm Anybody had any dealings with either scenario? Thanks in advance!
ps. Please dont turn this thread in to an EVO is a great phone, why would you want to cancel thread. I know its a great phone.. When it works. I really want to get back to t-mobile. I had absolutely no issues with them in the past...Years of service. They are cheaper and their 4g is available in my area. Sprint is not, and has no plans to be any time soon. Thanks so much.
When I was on my Fourth Evo in three months, I called and told them that their customer service sucked and that T-Mobile customer service was way better. Told them that I was seriously rethinking my choices in switching to Sprint. After about 30 minutes of putting down the customer service rep's supervisor, they transfered me to someone higher up who told me that they would cancel my service.
That wasn't my objective, my objective was getting a credit because I was traveling about 30 miles to the store where I purchased my phone to get replacements. That was a 45 minute trip each way, plus waiting in the store for an average of 45 minutes. That's 2 hours and 15 minutes with no compensation. In the end, I ended getting a 100 dollar credit and was put on a employers discount plan.
I sometimes wonder whether there's some kind of check box or something in our account information that tells customer service who won't take any crap. They used to kick me around, but they've treated me like a VIP ever since I reported Sprint to the Better Business Bureau and the States Attorneys General of both California (where I live) and Kansas (where Sprint does).
This dates back to when the Treo 600 was Sprint's flagship phone. I bought one when they were brand new and exactly a year and a week later it quit connecting to the network. Sprint told me that they couldn't fix a phone that was out of warranty (even for a fee) and I'd have to send it to Palm. Palm insisted (correctly) that they were under contractual obligation which prevented them from fixing Sprint phones and I'd have to take it to Sprint. Neither company would budge so I was stuck with a broken phone which was still one of Sprints flagship products.
Now I didn't think it was right that an expensive device like a year-old Treo 600 could be considered disposable, so I complained to the organizations I mentioned above and it wasn't long before I was contacted by a representative from Sprint's "Executive & Regulatory Services" who was eager to help me. Too bad it was before Verizon coined the phrase 'cause I would have loved to ask them "Can you hear me now?"
Anyway, I got a new Treo 650 (when they were still vaporware), a generous credit, and a guarantee that Sprint had addressed the "misunderstanding" and it wouldn't happen to other customers. And like I said, I've been treated like a VIP when I call Sprint ever since.
Apparently they don't forget who they can kick around and who they can't.
Pete
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I sometimes wonder whether there's some kind of check box or something in our account information that tells customer service who won't take any crap. They used to kick me around, but they've treated me like a VIP ever since I reported Sprint to the Better Business Bureau and the States Attorneys General of both California (where I live) and Kansas (where Sprint does).
This dates back to when the Treo 600 was Sprint's flagship phone. I bought one when they were brand new and exactly a year and a week later it quit connecting to the network. Sprint told me that they couldn't fix a phone that was out of warranty (even for a fee) and I'd have to send it to Palm. Palm insisted (correctly) that they were under contractual obligation which prevented them from fixing Sprint phones and I'd have to take it to Sprint. Neither company would budge so I was stuck with a broken phone which was still one of Sprints flagship products.
Now I didn't think it was right that an expensive device like a year-old Treo 600 could be considered disposable, so I complained to the organizations I mentioned above and it wasn't long before I was contacted by a representative from Sprint's "Executive & Regulatory Services" who was eager to help me. Too bad it was before Verizon coined the phrase 'cause I would have loved to ask them "Can you hear me now?"
Anyway, I got a new Treo 650 (when they were still vaporware), a generous credit, and a guarantee that Sprint had addressed the "misunderstanding" and it wouldn't happen to other customers. And like I said, I've been treated like a VIP when I call Sprint ever since.
Apparently they don't forget who they can kick around and who they can't.
Pete
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It's not cause you reported them to the BBB but because Sprint made a fundamental change in their business operations once CEO Dan Hesse was brought on board. The very first thing he did was overhaul the customer service departments. Sprint from 2006 is not the Sprint of today.
I think it's only fair to give them credit.
I had went through 5 hero's (dust under screen, buttons,ect) When I got my 5th with speaker problems they told me that I had to buy a new phone because they only give out 5 replacements max. After 1 week of calling over and over talking to a mess of different people and complaining they bumped my upgrade eligibility up by 8 months and now sitting with my EVO. Thank you sprint.
As long as your contract is settled if they want you to pay the ETF or not, you can keep the Evo. If you owe anything it'd be black listed and wouldn't be able to be used on sprint's network.
Even if you pay the ETF you can probably still come out ahead selling the Evo on ebay.
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Anybody here had any dealings with Sprint Early Termination? I wonder if there is some sort of lemon clause or something. I'm on my 4th EVO in 4 months. Screen, USB, Volume Rocker, USB. They have replaced it under warranty each time, no charge. I guess i have a pretty good argument. This is a business phone/account so down time is money. Even if its only a couple hours each issue. Well you can bet that i'll give it a try. Hopefully the Nexus S will give me the nudge i need to call and raise hell. My 4th New EVO will be here Tuesday. At least i'll have a new phone to sell.. That's if you can keep the phone when you early terminate. Can you? I wonder if you can keep it if they let you out early... Like my situation. Hmmm Anybody had any dealings with either scenario? Thanks in advance!
ps. Please dont turn this thread in to an EVO is a great phone, why would you want to cancel thread. I know its a great phone.. When it works. I really want to get back to t-mobile. I had absolutely no issues with them in the past...Years of service. They are cheaper and their 4g is available in my area. Sprint is not, and has no plans to be any time soon. Thanks so much.
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It's not cause you reported them to the BBB but because Sprint made a fundamental change in their business operations once CEO Dan Hesse was brought on board. The very first thing he did was overhaul the customer service departments. Sprint from 2006 is not the Sprint of today.
I think it's only fair to give them credit.
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Fair enough.
But the event I described came to it's conclusion in October of 2004.
Pete
The car business are not the only companies with an official lemon law however, it also covers RVs, Boats and wheelchairs, so I think your EVO might not make the cut. I have had two cars at my dealership bought back.
Consumer protection legislation typically labels vehicles as "lemons" if the same problem recurs despite multiple repair attempts (such as three times in a row over a short period, where previous attempts have not fixed the problem) or where defects have caused a new vehicle to be out of service for a prolonged period (typically thirty days or longer) for repairs{/I]
So even if their was one for the EVO, it would most likely not apply to your situation.
That being said, I have had 3 EVOs replaced for the Screen separating, I find it quite nice that sprint keeps repairing phones, because realistically it cost them for every phone they give away for free because of it being defective. As for T-mo being cheaper, I highly doubt it.
What I see here is someone who does not have 4G in their area and wants to go back to T-mo for HSPA. Thats called "Buyers Remorse" and BBB and Sprint both frown on that.
For the record, I sat in a Union meeting with 5 of my coworkers, 4 on T-mo Galaxy S, 1 on Verizon Droid and me on Sprint. We all did speed test. They got between 0.5Mbps and 1.5Mbps while I was getting 4.5Mbps. Don't believe the hype.
If 4G hasn't gotten to you yet, you have my sympathy because I understand paying $10 extra on your plan (regardless of what it is for) can be frustrating, but Plan for Plan unless your getting some special discount, Sprint is the cheapest unlimited Phone/Text/Data plan.
I don't see how your problem is related to Sprint and the service they provide. You contracted with Sprint to provide you with a cell phone service, which they have provided. Your problem is with the build quality of your HTC phone.
I doubt they would terminate your contract without a fee unless the problem was related to Sprint's service. They have provided you with free replacements and I believe at best you could get a different phone from them, but they have not failed in their contract obligations in any way.
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I don't see how your problem is related to Sprint and the service they provide. You contracted with Sprint to provide you with a cell phone service, which they have provided. Your problem is with the build quality of your HTC phone.
I doubt they would terminate your contract without a fee unless the problem was related to Sprint's service. They have provided you with free replacements and I believe at best you could get a different phone from them, but they have not failed in their contract obligations in any way.
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As a former mobile CSR, I'm going to have to agree with this post. How is it that you guys are having so many problems with your phones anyway? I buy smartphones on Craigslist and I have a drawer-full of them. OP is having more problems with just the EVO than I've had with any phone at any time combined. (This includes two EVOs and one Epic.)
If your wireless provider has replaced your mobile phone multiple times without charge, you probably should be thankful.
And to answer your questions OP, there's no such thing as a lemon clause. If you cancel, you keep the phone unless you're in your carrier's 'buyer's remorse' period - which you are not.
The only time Ive seen it happen it had to with rreception or billing issues
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I don't see how your problem is related to Sprint and the service they provide. You contracted with Sprint to provide you with a cell phone service, which they have provided. Your problem is with the build quality of your HTC phone.
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Can't say about yours, but my Evo says Sprint in the upper right corner and it doesn't go away when I turn off the phone.
Please note that I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just making a couple observations.
Pete
I like turtles
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I don't see how your problem is related to Sprint and the service they provide. You contracted with Sprint to provide you with a cell phone service, which they have provided. Your problem is with the build quality of your HTC phone.
I doubt they would terminate your contract without a fee unless the problem was related to Sprint's service. They have provided you with free replacements and I believe at best you could get a different phone from them, but they have not failed in their contract obligations in any way.
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As a former mobile CSR, I'm going to have to agree with this post. How is it that you guys are having so many problems with your phones anyway? I buy smartphones on Craigslist and I have a drawer-full of them. OP is having more problems with just the EVO than I've had with any phone at any time combined. (This includes two EVOs and one Epic.)
If your wireless provider has replaced your mobile phone multiple times without charge, you probably should be thankful.
And to answer your questions OP, there's no such thing as a lemon clause. If you cancel, you keep the phone unless you're in your carrier's 'buyer's remorse' period - which you are not.
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So if i buy an accord from a dealership, and have problems, i would have to take it up with honda japan to get my issue resolved? The dealership is not responsible for taking care of my problems? Why, because their duty was to sell me the car, and that is done, so no more obligation to me? Wow, you guys are a bright pair. lol. That is the most ridiculous thing i've heard in a while....toddlers included.
Oh and i've had about 20 different phones in my life and this is the very first one i've ever had replaced.
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As long as your contract is settled if they want you to pay the ETF or not, you can keep the Evo. If you owe anything it'd be black listed and wouldn't be able to be used on sprint's network.
Even if you pay the ETF you can probably still come out ahead selling the Evo on ebay.
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Say Sprint says... Sorry Mr. Nugzo that you have had so many problems with the EVO we sold you. We will waive the ETF for you and wish you luck with your next carrier. I wonder if they would require the phone to be returned, i did already pay $200 that went towards the phone. I wouldn't mind giving the phone up if they refunded the $200 as well. After all they have already agreed that their merchandise has caused my problems. Of course they didn't do it on purpose, but that is irrelevant. I guess i'm kinda asking this in the wrong place. Majority of the people reading this are current sprint customers, so they havent been presented with this exact scenario, just looking for similar scenarios i guess. Anyway i'll have the answer soon enough. When i get it, i'll let every one know how it went down. Thanks everyone for contributing.
The United States is the only country where a SERVICE PROVIDER also sells the phone for customer convenience. I wonder how you all would feel if they stopped all this and you had to buy your phones from the MAKER directly. No more calling Sprint because you don't like a phone HTC built, not Sprint. No problems with TMo right? I forgot, they have different phone makers /sarcasm
I also have never had nor needed a replacement with any phone I've ever owned. I wonder what some of you guys are really doing to your devices.
By the way you will not have your ETF waived because of phone replacements, especially when your brand new working phone you're waiting for is... well, working. How many months do you have left on your contract?
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So if i buy an accord from a dealership, and have problems, i would have to take it up with honda japan to get my issue resolved? The dealership is not responsible for taking care of my problems? Why, because their duty was to sell me the car, and that is done, so no more obligation to me? Wow, you guys are a bright pair. lol. That is the most ridiculous thing i've heard in a while....toddlers included.
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There's no need to be a douche bag. You asked a question and we answered it for you. Even if you don't completely understand the nature of the business, you don't need to insult those that do.
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The United States is the only country where a SERVICE PROVIDER also sells the phone for customer convenience. I wonder how you all would feel if they stopped all this and you had to buy your phones from the MAKER directly. No more calling Sprint because you don't like a phone HTC built, not Sprint. No problems with TMo right? I forgot, they have different phone makers /sarcasm
I also have never had nor needed a replacement with any phone I've ever owned. I wonder what some of you guys are really doing to your devices.
By the way you will not have your ETF waived because of phone replacements, especially when your brand new working phone you're waiting for is... well, working. How many months do you have left on your contract?
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I disagree. Sprint sold me the phone, thet are responsible for it. This is a business account, not a personal account, so everytime my phone is down i am potentially losing money.. Most of the time big business like sprint will do the right thing in a situation like this. Oh and i got this email the other day, after he called and woke me up at 7:00am lol Asked for me email.
"My name is Andre ****** Sprint business account manager and I wanted to make sure you were aware of some of the advantages and perks you are privy to for having a business account with Sprint Nextel."
Maybe i will just contact him about it and see what he says. If its like Time Warners business Reps, they arent worth having.
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I disagree. Sprint sold me the phone, thet are responsible for it. This is a business account, not a personal account, so everytime my phone is down i am potentially losing money.. Most of the time big business like sprint will do the right thing in a situation like this. Oh and i got this email the other day, after he called and woke me up at 7:00am lol Asked for me email.
"My name is Andre ****** Sprint business account manager and I wanted to make sure you were aware of some of the advantages and perks you are privy to for having a business account with Sprint Nextel."
Maybe i will just contact him about it and see what he says. If its like Time Warners business Reps, they arent worth having.
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This kind of mindset is bad for everyone. Sprint didn't build the phone, HTC did, you need to learn and realize that. Sprint sells you the ability to use the phone HTC made; make calls, browse the web, send texts, etc. If you don't like your phone don't buy an HTC product, but Sprint replacing your phone is them keeping up with the contract. You think HTC phones on TMo or ATT or Verizon are somehow made better? No, it's the same company making them.
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This kind of mindset is bad for everyone. Sprint didn't build the phone, HTC did, you need to learn and realize that. Sprint sells you the ability to use the phone HTC made; make calls, browse the web, send texts, etc. If you don't like your phone don't buy an HTC product, but Sprint replacing your phone is them keeping up with the contract. You think HTC phones on TMo or ATT or Verizon are somehow made better? No, it's the same company making them.
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This type of mindset is bad for everyone? lol ok. I think your ignorance is bad for everyone. Sprint sold me the phone, not HTC. You honestly think sprint should not warranty the item they sold me? I never said a thing about any phone being made better on a different carrier. I did say though that i've had over 20 phones in my life and this is honestly the first i've ever had to replace. I haven't done anything any different with this phone than i have with the others. i paid sprint $200 bucks plus signed a contract for a phone and service. You cant use the service without the phone right? Why in the world would you think they aren't responsible? Sprint is making a profit selling phones as well as selling service. I am not having problems with the service they sold me, but i am with the phone THEY sold me. Again, HTC didn't sell me the phone. Sprint warrantied the phone for 1 year, so they are responsible for it, plain and simple. Thats why they replaced it with every issue i had. They never referred me to HTC to handle it, and they wont, not while its under their (sprint) warranty.
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i never said a thing about any phone being made better on a different carrier. I did say though that i've had over 20 phones in my life and this is honestly the first i've ever had to replace. I haven't done anything any different with this phone than i have with the others. i paid sprint $200 bucks plus signed a contract for a phone and service. You cant use the service without the phone right? Why in the world would you think they aren't responsible? Sprint is making a profit selling phones as well as selling service. I am not having problems with the service they sold me, but i am with the phone THEY sold me. HTC didn't sell me the phone. Sprint warrantied the phone for 1 year, so they are responsible for it, plain and simple. Thats why they replaced it with every issue i had. They never referred me to HTC to handle it, and they wont, not while its under their (sprint) warranty.
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The phone's one year warranty isn't from Sprint, it's from HTC. Sprint is simply choosing, in your case, to deal with the manufacturer's warranty themselves so that you do not have to. This is contrary to the information that I have. I work at a retail store that sells Sprint, AT&T, and T-Mobile phones. In the event that a customer walks in and requires service as covered by the manufacturer's warranty for a Sprint phone I have been instructed to refer the customer directly to the manufacturer and not to Sprint. For T-Mobile and AT&T I have specific AT&T and T-Mobile phone numbers to give to the customer since AT&T and T-Mobile do handle manufacturer's warranty replacements for their customers.
If Sprint is still willing to handle manufacturer warranty replacements/repairs for you, then by all means I encourage you to continue to take advantage of that! I have no experience with manufacturer warranty replacements with Sprint (EVO is my first Sprint phone) but I can say from experience that AT&T always handled those replacements much faster than the manufacturer of the phone would have (typically with overnight delivery of the replacement phone BEFORE I sent the defective one back). I'm simply clarifying the case here and, potentially, warning you that Sprint may have changed their policy regarding the service of phones under the manufacturer's warranty since this information I've been given from my work only came out a few weeks ago.
A friend of mine and myself got into a bit of a disagreement last night over bestbuy etfs. Long story short he got a phone from bb cancelled the service and kept the phone. Will bb come after him with a etf?
I know sprint didn't charge him a etf but will bb come after him for a etf! I made a $75 bet with him that bb would come after him with a seperate etf. But he showed me his receipt/contract paperwork and other than the info about sprint etf, there's NOTHING that states anything about bb etfs. And he paid with cash so its not like bb can just charge his credit card. I searched google and everything and really didnt find any info on this. I know companies like wirefly, letstalk etc charge their own etf if you cancel service and don't return the device. Which they even indicate when you go through their application process and is also indicated in their paperwork.
So my question is, am I out of $75? Did I just lose this bet against this fool...lol? If someone have any insight into this, it'll help me out a lot. I'd love to show him some post that bb is going to come after him. So let me know what you all think.
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A friend of mine and myself got into a bit of a disagreement last night over bestbuy etfs. Long story short he got a phone from bb cancelled the service and kept the phone. Will bb come after him with a etf?
I know sprint didn't charge him a etf but will bb come after him for a etf! I made a $75 bet with him that bb would come after him with a seperate etf. But he showed me his receipt/contract paperwork and other than the info about sprint etf, there's NOTHING that states anything about bb etfs. And he paid with cash so its not like bb can just charge his credit card. I searched google and everything and really didnt find any info on this. I know companies like wirefly, letstalk etc charge their own etf if you cancel service and don't return the device. Which they even indicate when you go through their application process and is also indicated in their paperwork.
So my question is, am I out of $75? Did I just lose this bet against this fool...lol? If someone have any insight into this, it'll help me out a lot. I'd love to show him some post that bb is going to come after him. So let me know what you all think.
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I believe you lost yourself 75 bucks .... as far as I can remember when you purchase an item from a store that authorized to sale the item you are only under contract with the item provider.
Bestbuy typically give you instant rebates at the register because they send their rebates directly to the manufacturers and not the provider. Hence it is no lost to them only the provider who takes the hit
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I believe you lost yourself 75 bucks .... as far as I can remember when you purchase an item from a store that authorized to sale the item you are only under contract with the item provider.
Bestbuy typically give you instant rebates at the register because they send their rebates directly to the manufacturers and not the provider. Hence it is no lost to them only the provider who takes the hit
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Wow..are you serious. I kinda thought that I may lose the bet because there was nothing mentioned in the paperwork about a bb etf and if it was I didn't find it. I thought bb was just like wirefly and letstalk.com when it comes to cancelling service. But like I said sprint cancelled the service with no questions asked. Oh well...if I lose, I'll pay up...lol.
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Wow..are you serious. I kinda thought that I may lose the bet because there was nothing mentioned in the paperwork about a bb etf and if it was I didn't find it. I thought bb was just like wirefly and letstalk.com when it comes to cancelling service. But like I said sprint cancelled the service with no questions asked. Oh well...if I lose, I'll pay up...lol.
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from my knowledge you don't sign a contract with BB, just sprint
Are you your friend's personal accountant or money manager? I mean even if he gets an ETF all he has to do is say he didn't and collect your money lol
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Are you your friend's personal accountant or money manager? I mean even if he gets an ETF all he has to do is say he didn't and collect your money lol
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No I'm not...and he better not play me like that...lol. We made bets before in the past and he paid up....
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Sorry dude but as an employee of bb mobile I can tell you that you just lost $75. An etf is strictly through the carrier. After the contract is signed we have no part in it.
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Sorry dude but as an employee of bb mobile I can tell you that you just lost $75. An etf is strictly through the carrier. After the contract is signed we have no part in it.
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Ok..then...look like I'll be paying up.
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If anything he will get a Sprint etf. It wont show up for a month or 2 as was the case when I switched From At&t. Best buy is in the cell phone business, not the carrier business which subsidizes the cost of the phone so they cannot charge an etf
Clarify the bet with him because I'm sure Sprint didn't give him a hassle about canceling but he will get a separate bill from Sprint for the remainder of his contract. Around $200 for early cancellation.
You said he paid cash. did he pay the whole amount or contract price, and did he cancel in the first 30 days? Not sure if BB does does the same but the store I got mine from told me if I canceled without returning the phone they would charge me an additional $250 for it.
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Not sure how Best Buy works, but I know that where I work, if you sign a contract and cancel, and DON'T bring the phone back to us, we charge a portion of the total cost.. I can't remember the amount, but that's how we do it..
Well what he did was call sprint and cancelled the service. Sprint didn't hassle him because he's well within his 30 days so they cancelled it with no questions asked. They said that he wouldn't be charge any SPRINT etf. However, he will have to pay for what he used prior to cancelling the service.
I am over his house watching the football game right now and had a chance to look at the paperwork again. And I just don't see anything that indicates a bb etf. Everything I see is in regards to sprint etf, that's it. I just thought that bb is like wirefly and letstalk. That is you have to return the device within a certain time frame if you cancel service or you'll be charged their etf. But I'm starting to think that's not the case.
Plus when I bought the Nexus S and tried to cancel my service with T-mobile, I tried to cancel my service like 3 days after I got the phone and I had to go to bb so that they can give tmobile some code that informs them that I returned the device. Sprint doesn't have a system like that. Which I know because I bought an Epic from Radioshack like 2 months ago and I returned it like 2 weeks later. However, before I took it back to radioshack, I called sprint to cancel the line that the Epic was on and they cancelled it with no questions asked again. Radioshack gave me my money back and I went to Sprint and bought me a brand new Evo for full price, I believe $500.
Oh well, I'll be paying $75 this Friday. thanks everyone for all your responses.
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You said he paid cash. did he pay the whole amount or contract price, and did he cancel in the first 30 days? Not sure if BB does does the same but the store I got mine from told me if I canceled without returning the phone they would charge me an additional $250 for it.
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He paid contract price. But even if they told him about a possible bb etf if he were to cancel service and not return the device, its not indicated anywhere in the paperwork. They gave him copies of everything he signed and and not one indicates a bb etf.
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This is an interesting scenario, especially if the device was paid for by cash.
Although the receipt has his sprint info, I don't think BB can go after sprint to collect anything, as they are an authorized third party seller in this case.
Now, there is this clause on the receipt under SERVICE AND SERVICE OPTIONS
....Thank you for purchasing your sprint phone and service at Best Buy. If you wish to change or cancel your Service please return with your phone to a best buy store.
As stated previously, BB is not in the carrier business, they are merely a third party reseller of sprint products. Also, nowhere on the receipt is anything else stipulated regarding cancellation of service and potential fees that may be charged [by best buy].
So, this may very well fall through the cracks.
Btw, some other resellers such as amazon and wirefly do have clauses that say if you cancel service within 180 days, you will be charged additional etf's outside of what the carrier may charge you.
ymmv.
Subscribed! <popcorn emoticon>
I believe Sprint will send a bill, and if he does not pay they will lock the ESN.
I can't speak for Best Buy since I've never worked there but I know Radioshack (and CompUSA before they went out of business) charge their own etfs if the service was cancelled within 90 days without the device being returned. At CompUSA you would get a separate paper contract about this additional etf. At Radioshack you get an electronic contract that shows up on the Verifone credit card device that requires the customer to read and sign that mentions this separate etf. I'm not sure if this is also mentioned on the receipt or not, I've never actually read it.
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This is something Sprint has recently changed. Anytime a new account (within 30 days) is going to cancelled, the phone must be returned to the original point of purchase, meaning if he purchased it at BB, Sprint will not cancel the service, Best Buy has to contact NSS and have them process the 30-day cancellation. In your particular instance, if someone at Sprint cancelled them, he got lucky. In normal instances, your friend would not be allowed to cancel over the phone, meaning if he kept the phone past 30 days he'd be under contract with Sprint and then your friend would be charged $200 ETF if he chose to cancel or keep receiving Sprint bills until his account was disconnected and sent to collections.
Your friend, was really lucky to have spoken with a new hire that mistakingly cancelled the account (or line).
I need to share my story in the hopes of preventing anyone else from going through the same ordeal.
AT&T is the absolutely worst carrier on the planet. Absolute worst! In the process of switching and evaluating carriers I signed up with ATT. I had them for 4 days and I had more dropped calls in 4 days with ATT than I had in 5 years with Sprint and 2 years with T-Mobile. I barely had the service for 2 days before they sent me a bill (they are quick to do that for sure), which they already screwed up charging me for services I did not order.
Upon calling them, they told me I had to go back to the AT&T store to resolve my issue. I did just that, they admitted their mistake and said the corrections should be on my account in 24 hours. 2 days later my account was the same and I was once again redirected to the store. I had enough! Within 5 days I returned the phone, and cancelled my service. That should've been the end of it, but no, a month later I get a whopping $492 bill from AT&T. They were charging me an early termination fee even though I had 30 days to cancel and I canceled within 4 days!! I spend hours, hours on the phone getting the run-around, getting transferred from one person to the next, having to explain my problem over again to each agent and each "manager", before I got my charges dropped (supposedly, I still expect to receive a bill from them because they are THAT incompetent).
Avoid AT&T like the plague! They are the absolute WORST!
If you are still having problems getting the ETF waived, contact the consumerist. (consumerist.com).
Read their help site on how to create and E.E.C.B. first (Executive Email Carpet Bomb for those non-consumerist readers).
Dude, that sucks that you had to go through all that ****. I'm having a pleasant experience with them so far since I signed with them back in April 2011. You should definitely fight them about that ETF bull****. You're within that 30 day window. No F'ing way you should pay that ETF. And on top of that, they should charge for things that you used like data and minutes if anything. Not the potiential amount i.e. 900 min plan but only used 100 minutes.
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If you are still having problems getting the ETF waived, contact the consumerist. (consumerist.com).
Read their help site on how to create and E.E.C.B. first (Executive Email Carpet Bomb for those non-consumerist readers).
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That's nothing, with Verizon in the Omnia II days I walked in, grabbed a phone, signed up, and while still in the store I opened the box. The screen was split in 2. I walked it back to the rep I had just spoken with and he told me that I'd have to pay the full asking price of the phone because the break was not there when he'd activated it.
With sprint, I had a ppc6800 that I loved. They released an update that caused the phone to be unstable and when I went back gave me some touchscreen Samsung dumbphone. They refused to give me dubphone data back but said they couldn't upgrade me to another smartphone and the ppc6800 had cycled out. One of the reps flat out called me stupid for preferring my ppc6800 because the Samsung had new capacitive touchscreen technology.
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Better than it was...
I switched to Big Mamma eight years ago to get the RAZR phone. Service sucked and pricing was ridiculous, so I canceled and went back to T-Mobile. Last year I decided that it wasn't doing me any good to stay with TMo since their phone upgrade options were weak and contract pricing wasn't any better. Also, my partner and our best friends have a family plan w/ATT, so switching onto that and getting a new shiny ear-toaster would still be a savings over what I was giving TMo. So, I got my Infuse and got on the plan. I'm happy with it. Service is good, I haven't had to deal with customer service, and the price is right.
How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
Dude I would have filed a report with the better business beru that is bull. I hope everything turns out for the best
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I had att and the dreaded iPhone for nine months. People would stand next to me and call me just to make fun of how my phone would never ring. I'd miss over 50% of my calls here in DC due to my phone never ringing. Couldn't do anything about it with that nice contractual obligation tho. Good times.
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entropism said:
How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
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File with the FCC. That WILL get their attention.
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How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
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Probably the absolute worst carrier horror story I have ever heard....
That's granted I use to work customer service for at&t.
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I think vodaphone Australia is worse. Reception sucks and sometimes messages sent are few days late.
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entropism said:
How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
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Since you're a former employee.. i'm surprised you didn't know it takes ~2 billing cycles for the discount to be applied.
I'm not talking about the discount monetarily but the actual account having the classification attached, which should take a few weeks tops.
Every carrier in North America sucks.
AT&T mangles the hell out of their Android phones to keep Apple happy
Verizon has a long history of mangling phones even worse than AT&T's, they're the first carrier to get a Google developer phone (Galaxy Nexus) and piss off Google so badly that the device's developer phone status was revoked.
T-Mobile is useless - Their coverage is awful, and things are so bad that putting a T-Mobile SIM into any device within 15 miles of where I work/live causes that device's IMEI to be blacklisted for 10-20 minutes, even after putting an AT&T SIM back in. While their "bring your own device" plans (discounts on the plan for not having a contract subsidy on the phone) are good on paper, they're kind of pointless considering that with the exception of the GSM Galaxy Nexus, only phones sold by T-Mobile support the 1700 MHz AWS band.
Sprint has slightly better coverage than T-Mo, but has oddball radio technology leading to the most wildly inconsistent phones possible. The SPH-D710 (Galaxy S II) is undoubtedly the worst Samsung Exynos-based handset on the planet thanks to Samsung having to stuff the phone full of oddball radio hardware not used anywhere else on this planet.
I had several problems with atnt, mostly over billing, we worked an agreement that the billing would be on the fifth of the months but some how it was set to be on the 23, I get a late fee and when I explain and show them the paper work, I was told that they do not honor those request so, I end up buying out of a contract and jail-braking and unlocking my iPhone to use the t-mobile network. I have had no problems ever with t-mobile. Just got a android phone loving it much better than my iPhone.
lol i find it so odd how its almost embedded in the American culture to have this deep personal relationship with our service providers.
Best coverage is debatable, since we all live in unique locations and travel a unique path and only need coverage to an extent. We can argue the ranks and who's service provider is superior but its all moot. Every company has millions of customers and that equates to billions of different experiences and i am sure every company, even the one you keep dearly close to your heart, has their fair share of horror stories.
Ive also never heard of the ability to blacklist an imei in my experiences in the industry.
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lol i find it so odd how its almost embedded in the American culture to have this deep personal relationship with our service providers.
Best coverage is debatable, since we all live in unique locations and travel a unique path and only need coverage to an extent. We can argue the ranks and who's service provider is superior but its all moot. Every company has millions of customers and that equates to billions of different experiences and i am sure every company, even the one you keep dearly close to your heart, has their fair share of horror stories.
Ive also never heard of the ability to blacklist an imei in my experiences in the industry.
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Whatever you have never heard of - I can tell you, back in 2008 it happened without fail. If you put a T-Mobile SIM into an AT&T phone anywhere near where I lived, it would report "no service". If you cleanly shut down the phone, put the AT&T SIM back in, and powered it back on - still "no service" for at least 15 minutes. Prior to inserting the T-Mobile SIM, the phone would always have solid high signal strength coverage.
If you look at the coverage maps of T-Mobile and Sprint - they clearly have MUCH smaller networks than AT&T and Verizon.
I've never had any problems with ma bell, since switching to them
from sprint 3 years ago. Hopefully you get that resolved soon.
I can honestly say I have NEVER had a problem with AT&T Service or Customer Relations. Then again... I never really have talked to one of their customer reps outside of store. SO MUCH AUTOMATION